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Why I'm hopeful the Giants will turn it around this season

Marty in Albany : 5/14/2019 12:39 am
Most NFL games are close. Even though the Giants scored more points than Dallas, Philly or Washington, in 2018, we also gave up the most points in the NFC East. Although we out-scored 10-6 Dallas by 30 points, Dallas gave up 89 fewer points than the Giants.

We gave up over 400 points. The other NFL teams that gave up over 400 points all drafted in the top ten along with the Giants. Does that suggest a reason why we ignored drafting an OT and drafted 7 defensive players this year?

Hopefully, our draft along with the development of 2nd year players McIntosh and Beal will improve our defense, our team speed, and our special teams.

There is no guarantee that our defense has improved over last year, but if not, it won't be for the lack of trying.

I am hopeful that an improved defense will significantly close the gap between the number of points scored and the number of points given up. That should allow the Giants to climb out of the hole that poor drafting has dug for us over the last few years. Only time will tell, but I'm hopeful.
The defense has more talent  
armstead98 : 5/14/2019 12:54 am : link
But they're young and inexperienced. Its probably going to take some time for them to lean the system and to build chemistry.

I'm optimistic but not expecting a great year. I just want to see improvement throughout the year and for them to finish strong.
miss you and your humor to say nothing of your written pieces  
plato : 5/14/2019 1:29 am : link
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I'm with you Marty AND armstead.  
CT Charlie : 5/14/2019 6:33 am : link
Especially with limited training camp and practices, I think it will take a long time for a new group to coordinate on D. Until they're all on the same page, it will be easy to exploit them. Still, I'm hopeful.
I still feel the key is the OL  
George from PA : 5/14/2019 6:43 am : link
If it improves as we hope
.....the offense turns into a ball control offense, which put less pressure on the defense.

Allowing the defense to gel and have team peaking at the end of season
I thought that last years schedule was brutal  
JohnB : 5/14/2019 7:23 am : link
especially the first 8 games. And it proved so.

I think this years schedule is "fairer" towards the Giants. Easier teams, an away game at Met Life, travel is much lighter than in years past. All of these types of things might mean a few more wins than last year's mess.
Between the rebuild veteran O Line  
Rjanyg : 5/14/2019 7:43 am : link
The young and talented D Line and all the new defenders, I am very excited for this team.

Just think, Lawrence and Baker will be starters and love will have a chance to start at nickel. The vet players like Ogletree, Golden, Bethea, Jenkins will be the guys leading this super young defense. I am most excited about Zo Carter, Jibril Peppers and X Man!

There is a ton of talent, can Bettcher bring it together?
RE: I still feel the key is the OL  
Klaatu : 5/14/2019 7:44 am : link
In comment 14442695 George from PA said:
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If it improves as we hope
.....the offense turns into a ball control offense, which put less pressure on the defense.

Allowing the defense to gel and have team peaking at the end of season


Agreed. Unfortunately, with the rules regarding practices, there isn't as much time as there used to be for an O-Line to establish any real cohesion. Ditto for a secondary. My hope is that the team, as a whole, is playing much better in December than it was in September. I want to see steady improvement.
RE: The defense has more talent  
Poktown Pete : 5/14/2019 8:06 am : link
In comment 14442643 armstead98 said:
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But they're young and inexperienced. Its probably going to take some time for them to lean the system and to build chemistry.

I'm optimistic but not expecting a great year. I just want to see improvement throughout the year and for them to finish strong.

Ditto. I'm kind of expecting a a moment this season where we see the tables turn and we gel into the kind of team no one wants to play. I think we do that mostly by getting back to some good old fashioned smash mouth football. Screw basketball on grass. Force our will with the run and control the clock. Punish teams when they try to run on us. With all the new secondary help, no more field days for opposing QB's. I think in a few years we're going to look back at 2019 as the year Giant pride was restored.
Every unit of every team in the league hast build chemistry  
BillT : 5/14/2019 8:24 am : link
How often have we heard coaches say you have to start over every year building your team. Now, the Giants D will probably start two rookies and three other players who are new to the team but that isn't a complete outlier in the NFL. I like the talent on the D but it's fair that a good amount is potential talent. At least that's better than no potential talent. They don't have to be great. Just competitive would be enough.
Last Year  
OntheRoad : 5/14/2019 8:41 am : link
was the worst Giants secondary I can remember since the days of Curtis Deloatch.

With a new secondary and new NT, the slate is clean.
For me itís because losing  
Giant John : 5/14/2019 9:00 am : link
Sucks.
I am not that optimistic  
larryflower37 : 5/14/2019 9:38 am : link
WR issues, new right side of the line, young inexperienced Defense, and I am not a fan of Shurmer.
I think 7-9 / 8-8 is a good season at this point.
I think we'll see a big heart and competitive spirit from the team  
JonC : 5/14/2019 9:42 am : link
but they look short of talent on paper at WR and Edge, and all the new parts and youth will require time to build cohesion. Love the schedule though, perhaps it will provide some breaks.
Improved safety play  
GothamGiants : 5/14/2019 9:45 am : link
especially in coverage, is going to make a big difference

Misfit Collins and Curtis Riley at safety, with 0 depth at CB, is a nightmare we no longer need to watch unfold every weekend
From ESPN regarding which teams declined most this offseason:  
The_Boss : 5/14/2019 10:36 am : link
Dan Graziano, national NFL writer: New York Giants. They've made themselves an easy target, but it's all justified. You can't tell me they're better for trading Odell Beckham Jr., for letting Landon Collins leave and sign with a division rival instead of holding him in place with an affordable $11.15 million franchise tag, for trading pass-rusher Olivier Vernon then passing up on outside linebacker Josh Allen at pick No. 6 so they could take a quarterback who had a 59.9 completion percentage in the ACC. When your team has missed the playoffs six of the past seven seasons, what you want to know is that it at least has a plan and a vision for how to pull out of the malaise. There's little evidence that the Giants have that.

Kevin Seifert, national NFL writer: New York Giants. Their moves were confounding, from dispatching two of their best young players in OBJ (26 years old) and Collins (25) to reaching for quarterback Daniel Jones. But from a bigger picture, their contradictory vision and an old-school approach suggest this franchise is headed toward an extended down cycle.


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RE: From ESPN regarding which teams declined most this offseason:  
djstat : 5/14/2019 11:00 am : link
In comment 14443043 The_Boss said:
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Dan Graziano, national NFL writer: New York Giants. They've made themselves an easy target, but it's all justified. You can't tell me they're better for trading Odell Beckham Jr., for letting Landon Collins leave and sign with a division rival instead of holding him in place with an affordable $11.15 million franchise tag, for trading pass-rusher Olivier Vernon then passing up on outside linebacker Josh Allen at pick No. 6 so they could take a quarterback who had a 59.9 completion percentage in the ACC. When your team has missed the playoffs six of the past seven seasons, what you want to know is that it at least has a plan and a vision for how to pull out of the malaise. There's little evidence that the Giants have that.

Kevin Seifert, national NFL writer: New York Giants. Their moves were confounding, from dispatching two of their best young players in OBJ (26 years old) and Collins (25) to reaching for quarterback Daniel Jones. But from a bigger picture, their contradictory vision and an old-school approach suggest this franchise is headed toward an extended down cycle.
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Mr. Graziano, exactly how many games and playoff appearances did NYG make with Vernon, Collins and OBJ? How many playoff wins? How many game changing plays did Vernon or Collins have in 2017 and 2018?

HOw many games did Vernon and OBJ miss due to injury over the years? If Collins was a leader and the defense was awful, whats that say about the "leader"?
You stated games are often close, true  
joeinpa : 5/14/2019 11:19 am : link
As a result games are often determined on the last possession of games. Neither the Giants offense or defense were very good in those moments despite the points s scored narrative
Still thinking Love is a safety.  
Angus : 5/14/2019 12:55 pm : link
I am not worried about what the pundits think. Gettlemen was spot on getting stronger up the middle and in the secondary. Still think Haskins was a better pick, but that won't affect the Giants this year. Need to get better at OL, edge, WR and Ilb in next years draft.
I think the upgrades in the O-line  
Don in DC : 5/14/2019 3:30 pm : link
alone will net us at least two more wins. The easier schedule will help too. If the new-look DL and secondary can play halfway decent, I see no reason this team can't win 9 games and compete for a wildcard spot.
I'm hoping for  
Dirt1 : 5/14/2019 4:17 pm : link
some significant improvement on defense, but that side of the ball will have a lot of young and inexperienced players. How quickly can Bettcher mold the defense into a cohesive unit?

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christian : 5/14/2019 7:07 pm : link
Most games are close in the NFL -- it's as equal of playing field in all of pro sport. I'm never comforted by the ifs and what ifs in a previous season.

The difference always comes down to coaching and execution in close games.

The Giants will be better when they cut out the mistakes from the sidelines, cover the pass better downfield, and increase their yards per reception.
I agree with armstead and some others  
mpinmaine : 5/15/2019 3:40 pm : link
You never know of course but at least we see what the final roster will look like for the most part. I believe that we will have 3 or 4 wins the first half of this season. And than, despite the tougher 2nd half schedule the D will get tight and we will win 6 of their last 8...if I had to guess.
I can see them at ten wins.
Close The Gap?  
Percy : 5/15/2019 10:50 pm : link
Before camp and pre-season it is absurd to predict outcomes. Nevertheless, my guess right now is that the Giants are going to beat the crap out of the East Division. So many games last year were lost narrowly because of a terrible defense. There's reason to think that's been fixed -- DL and secondary. And the OL has been fixed. With Eli, the QB situation was and remains good, even without regard to our #1 pick (who I think will be great anyway sooner or later). And we have the best running back in football. Result: wins.
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