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NFT: Knicks/NBA Chat, 5/14. IT'S LOTTERY DAY!

SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/14/2019 7:02 am
About 13 1/2 hours or so from now, we'll know where the ping pong have landed. As most know, the Knicks, Cavs, & Suns all have the same odds of winning the Zion sweepstakes @ 14 % each. The worse case for the Knicks is they end up with the 5th pick, but that's not going to happen. Think positively.

Going to be a long day at work looking @ the clock. Beer in the man cave fridge is cold & ready to be consumed.
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Woj on espn  
nygiants16 : 5/15/2019 12:05 am : link
said he talked to someone close davis and said getting zion changed nothing still wants out. Lakers and knicks pick intrigueing to pelicans.
It's comical that people are acting like the Knicks not getting the #1  
Mike in NJ : 5/15/2019 12:06 am : link
is some disaster. Top 3 should've been the goal going in, it is a 3 player draft, so picking third is a win even though it's not the WIN we were all hoping for.

If the idea is to trade for Anthony Davis, the Knicks didn't hurt their chances at all tonight. The Pelicans future is Zion Williamson, and pairing him up with Morant or Barrett is the perfect start to the rebuild. Throw in a couple of other first rounders, and one of either Knox, Robinson or DSJ and the Knicks have the best package anyone can offer.

I've seen a few people on Twitter mentioning the Lakers as an AD destination again, but RJ Barrett is a better prospect than anyone that they can offer, and after the season that Jayson Tatum had I don't think it's a stretch to say Barrett (especially with his connection to Zion) could be viewed as a more valuable asset than anything Boston can offer. If New Orleans is truly serious about moving AD, the Knicks should be the favorites to land him.
I think this just made the next 6 weeks even more exciting if possible  
Stu11 : 5/15/2019 12:13 am : link
Of course I wanted 1 or 2, and wouldn't have traded those picks. However 3 I'm more ammenable to dealing and I don't think just AD is in play. I think as previously mentioned Beal could be an option to go with 2 big FA's if they come here and not cost much more than the #3 pick. I probably would put it at 50/50 the Knicks keep the pick.
Hypothetical AD trade from a Pels fan site write-up  
ChaChing : 5/15/2019 12:38 am : link

Pels get:
Knox, 2019 #3 & 2021 1st unprotected, 2023 1st protected

Knicks get:
AD, Solomon Hill

Could obviously add a player, especially in lieu of a pick (Hill is whatever). And if it's Mitch IMO 1 pick comes off the table / drops to a 2nd. At first I thought no way NO goes for this but I think it's close (tho I'm unaware of other teams offers in comparison)

Way too soon hypothetical AD trade - ( New Window )
Fuck the lottery and fuck the NBA.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 5/15/2019 2:22 am : link
Now that I've gotten that off my chest...

if the Knicks can't spin an AD trade by draft day, then I would seriously consider drafting DeAndre Hunter instead of RJ Barrett. He's a better fit as a 3 & D player with KD and Kyrie. I think this might become a real option as the Lakers' trade deal will get far more appealing with their bullshit launch into the 4th pick.
Yeah, pretty frustrating night overall.  
bceagle05 : 5/15/2019 2:44 am : link
Once we cleared the five spot and Cleveland, Phoenix and Chicago had all dropped, I thought Zion was ours. Three isn't bad, but I don't like the Barrett fit unless we strike out completely on top free agents. AD is the priority via trade, but I'd still shop the pick if AD falls through, including a call to Atlanta to see if they'd give up #8 and #10 for #3. We can't have a bunch of iso chuckers around two maxes.
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robbieballs2003 : 5/15/2019 5:22 am : link
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Knicks can offer up to 5 1st round picks, plus young players if they really want to go all in..

this years pick, 2020 knicks, 2021 dallas, 2022 knicks, 2023 dallas..

That is a lot of youth for the pelicans to surround zion and rj...

If you want to go all in



No. You cannot trade picks in consecutive years. Come on.



read what i wrote again, they wouldnt be trading their pick in consecutive years


You said this year and 2020. Those are consecutive years, no?
And just to be clear,  
robbieballs2003 : 5/15/2019 5:31 am : link
There are 2 ways we can go after AD if I am not mistaken. One, we sign FAs and then basically gut the rest of our team to make the salaries work. No thanks to that especially throwing in an insane amount of picks. Two, we trade before FA and before the draft giving us more flexibility to work a deal out but then I think we can only fit KD and AD and no other max guy. I am okay with the second way if we arent gutting the team. First rounders would have to be thrown in but no way am I parting with 5 1sts.

Getting AD would be awesome but I really don't know how kuch sense that makes in order to win a championship. We cannout bleed the team out to have three superstars especially if those superstars are KD, AD, and KI. 2 of the 3 are often injured. That is not smart. And add in that we'd have no depth and I think that is the wrong way to go. It isn't popular but I would just get KD and whoever he wants and use our draft picks. Imo, that is the best way to huild up this team.
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Mike in NJ : 5/15/2019 5:49 am : link
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Knicks can offer up to 5 1st round picks, plus young players if they really want to go all in..

this years pick, 2020 knicks, 2021 dallas, 2022 knicks, 2023 dallas..

That is a lot of youth for the pelicans to surround zion and rj...

If you want to go all in



No. You cannot trade picks in consecutive years. Come on.



read what i wrote again, they wouldnt be trading their pick in consecutive years



You said this year and 2020. Those are consecutive years, no?


They can get around that by completing the trade after the draft. Agree to it in principle beforehand, then send Barrett to New Orleans. The rule only applies to future firsts so once the selection is made it no longer matters.
Davis should  
Pete in VA : 5/15/2019 5:52 am : link
follow the European soccer model. Declare where he wants to go a year from now and force a trade. In soccer, teams get a pile of cash and nothing else for players in their last contract year.

The team he wants to go to will have tremendous leverage, and NO will have to take whatever they offer (or get nothing in a year). This concept of giving up several good players and multiple first round draft choices is ridiculous. If the Knicks get Durant and perhaps another top free agent, and assuming Davis wants the Knicks, just figure out what needs to be done to clear the cap space and wait a year, or give NO a take it or leave it offer.
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robbieballs2003 : 5/15/2019 5:59 am : link
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Knicks can offer up to 5 1st round picks, plus young players if they really want to go all in..

this years pick, 2020 knicks, 2021 dallas, 2022 knicks, 2023 dallas..

That is a lot of youth for the pelicans to surround zion and rj...

If you want to go all in



No. You cannot trade picks in consecutive years. Come on.



read what i wrote again, they wouldnt be trading their pick in consecutive years



You said this year and 2020. Those are consecutive years, no?



They can get around that by completing the trade after the draft. Agree to it in principle beforehand, then send Barrett to New Orleans. The rule only applies to future firsts so once the selection is made it no longer matters.


And that goes with my point that if it is done after the draft (1 month?) then we need to gut the team just to male the salaries match so throwing in an additional 4 picks is beyond insane.
Wasn't there something like an 84% chance...  
M.S. : 5/15/2019 6:00 am : link

...the Knicks would NOT secure the #1 pick?

For a team that has been both lousy and unlucky for years, did anyone REALLY believe their ship would come home at 14%?

This is still the New York Knicks... right?
RE: Wasn't there something like an 84% chance...  
robbieballs2003 : 5/15/2019 6:10 am : link
In comment 14444345 M.S. said:
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...the Knicks would NOT secure the #1 pick?

For a team that has been both lousy and unlucky for years, did anyone REALLY believe their ship would come home at 14%?

This is still the New York Knicks... right?


Unlike most, I am happy with the third pick. Hope for the best but expect the worst. Anybody saying we tanked for the first pick obviously didn't understand how the lottery works. We finished in last place to secure a top 5 pick. Getting number three is a good thing. Look at where the other teams are picking that had the same odds as the Knicks. Number 1 or 2 would have been very nice but this is reality.

I have been a fan of Morant since early in the season when I was looking at mock drafts and saw who he was. So, any time a game was on of his I'd watch. What became apparent to me is that while ge puts up steals he doesn't really play defense. He is small. I don't see him getting better defensively at the NBA level. He will be a huge liability in that area. Yes, he does so much offensive hence why he will almost definitely be the 2nd pick in the draft. However, who has really paid attention? There was a rumor the Knicks like Culver more than Morant. Culver was up there too before his last 2 games in college. But here is the key point: Fiz said numerous times he wants guys that will play defense. Those are the guys he wants on the court. It wouldn't surprise me if the Knicks got the second pick and passed on Morant.

As more time goes by we will see Knicks fans come around to the 3rd pick. Most are just annoyed we finished last in the league and didn't get the top pick.
This was a very good outcome for the Knicks.  
Mike in NJ : 5/15/2019 6:31 am : link
The Knicks should be getting themselves a very good player. Just for reference, here is a list of who went 3 in the last 20 drafts:

2018 - Luka Doncic
2017 - Jayson Tatum
2016 - Jaylen Brown
2015 - Jahlil Okafor (yuck)
2014 - Joel Embiid
2013 - Otto Porter
2012 - Bradley Beal
2011 - Enes Kanter
2010 - Derrick Favors
2009 - James Harden
2008 - OJ Mayo (yuck)
2007 - Al Horford
2006 - Adam Morrison (the MJ special)
2005 - Deron Williams
2004 - Ben Gordon
2003 - Carmelo Anthony
2002 - Mike Dunleavy Jr
2001 - Pau Gasol
2000 - Darius Miles
1999 - Baron Davis
Yeah, I'm not heartbroken about getting the 3rd pick.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/15/2019 6:42 am : link
Wanted #1 obviously, but it could have been worse. When the Lakers jumped up, I was convinced we were getting the 5th pick.
I thought the Lakers  
TommyWiseau : 5/15/2019 6:48 am : link
were going to get 1 after they made it to the top 4. I am not heartbroken with getting pick 3 (as it is not pick 4 or 5) but I would have LOVED to get pick 1 or 2 for Zion or Morant.

How is this trade scenario, 3rd pick and DSG to Memphis for the 2nd pick? Secures us Morant and Memphis can keep Conley to groom DSG and they get Barrett
So in a league focused on guard play and 3 point shooting...  
Kanavis : 5/15/2019 6:53 am : link
Our fans are obsessed with getting a 6 ft 10 in player to hopefully play alongside Durant who is about 7 feet tall. Who is shooting all of the 3s for this team. If you sell the farm for AD, a one year rental, it woukd be a mistake. We just got rid of someone who was taller who was supposed to have great potential. It's a guard and 3 pt league. Keep the assets. If you want AD that bad, find a way to sign him next year. As soon as he puts on a knock uniform, he will be hurt.
As someone who always wanted Davis via trade  
Chris684 : 5/15/2019 7:13 am : link
Iím fine with the 3 pick.

Could have done without the Pels winning the lottery (although that could help if Zion expresses interest in continuing to play with Barrett) and the fucking Lakers getting just 1 pick behind us.

Look at the bright side though, if the Lakers were one pick ahead of us right now weíd be totally fucked on the trade front.
Overlooked fact...  
moze1021 : 5/15/2019 7:15 am : link
3rd pick was less likely than 1st pick, statistically.

This was the second least likely outcome, with the 4th pick being the least likely.

Gotta dangle the 3rd pick  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/15/2019 7:21 am : link
for AD.
RJ Barrett has the biggest  
Essex : 5/15/2019 7:34 am : link
bust potential of the top 3 by a large margin. His shot is truly awful and this is a league where you need to shoot well. Canít see NO salivating over RJ. The Celtics and Lakers have much more to trade and In most likely scenarios AD isnít happening for the Knicks.
lottery an idiotic concept  
bc4life : 5/15/2019 7:39 am : link
worst team gets first pick, 2nd worst team gets second pick
RE: RJ Barrett has the biggest  
nygiants16 : 5/15/2019 7:42 am : link
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bust potential of the top 3 by a large margin. His shot is truly awful and this is a league where you need to shoot well. Canít see NO salivating over RJ. The Celtics and Lakers have much more to trade and In most likely scenarios AD isnít happening for the Knicks.


what do thenlakers have?

honestly what do the celtics have?
I kept saying give me top 3 and we got it...  
Italianju : 5/15/2019 7:49 am : link
i mean of course i wanted 1, but we are the knicks, im just glad it wasnt 4 or 5. This is a 3 player draft despite most trying to all of a sudden make it a two player draft (and my guess if we got 2 is then people would say Zion is the only stud). RJ has his flaws but so does Zion and so does Ja. I like how we are crushing RJ for his shooting, but Ja isnt some knock down shooter and if you look at his numbers from his freshmen year his shooting is even worse. And thats with playing at Murray state and not against UVA, UNC, SYR, etc....

The knicks are in a rare great spot. We have a bunch of assets right now. We have a top 3 pick, Knox, Robinson, a bunch of firsts in the near future. We also have intriguing youth still on the roster in guys like Trier, Dotson, DSJ, etc.. Not to mention the capspace. Do i want to completely gut the team for AD, no, but i think we can make an AD trade and still hold onto a handful of assets.
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Essex : 5/15/2019 7:49 am : link
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bust potential of the top 3 by a large margin. His shot is truly awful and this is a league where you need to shoot well. Canít see NO salivating over RJ. The Celtics and Lakers have much more to trade and In most likely scenarios AD isnít happening for the Knicks.



what do thenlakers have?

honestly what do the celtics have?


Um, Tatum, Rozier, Smart, picks. Tatum is better than Barrett and i think most NBA executives think so
Tatum is still a good asset...  
Italianju : 5/15/2019 7:53 am : link
but the shine has come off a bit. That said he is the best asset i think NO can get. That said if its just tatum is that better then a knicks offer. Rozier is a RFA so you get him and the right to overpay the hell out of him. Brown is one year away from a pay day and i cant imagine teams are knocking the door down to pay smart 40 mill over the next 3 years. And the picks BOS can offer are 14, 20, and 22. Sure its good quality but if you think NO wants that over 3 or 4 then your crazy. If BOS is willing to give up Tatum and all the firsts then its a solid deal sure, but i think NY and LA could beat it.
AD trade  
TyreeHelmet : 5/15/2019 7:59 am : link
As 16 mentioned earlier, the Knicks can make a godfather offer if they want. 3rd pick, Knox, DSJ, Robinson, 2020 pick, 2021 Dallas pick and even more picks if they want. Thatís 3-5 first round picks( including the 3rd overall) and 3 promising young players. The Pelicans would be in really good shape.

Whoís matching that?

The Lakers can build a good package. But Ingram has some serious health uncertainty. But he is a very good young player in my eyes. The Lakers package will be close...

I just donít see if with the Celtics. Even if they want all in, I personally think their players and picks are overrated. But I also donít see them going all in with Davis, especially if Irving is leaving.

Who else is out there? Itís Lakers or Knicks.
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Really : 5/15/2019 8:00 am : link
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bust potential of the top 3 by a large margin. His shot is truly awful and this is a league where you need to shoot well. Canít see NO salivating over RJ. The Celtics and Lakers have much more to trade and In most likely scenarios AD isnít happening for the Knicks.



what do thenlakers have?

honestly what do the celtics have?



Um, Tatum, Rozier, Smart, picks. Tatum is better than Barrett and i think most NBA executives think so


Roziers an RFA and itís arguable that Both Tatum and Brown lost value this year. Last, which picks are soo tantalizing? 14 this year? Or 20 or 22?

Further, to assume Boston will trade for Davis with Kyrie potentially walking is a leap and then you have to hope Davis will re-sign. Far from the slam dunk youíre arguing
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nygiants16 : 5/15/2019 8:00 am : link
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bust potential of the top 3 by a large margin. His shot is truly awful and this is a league where you need to shoot well. Canít see NO salivating over RJ. The Celtics and Lakers have much more to trade and In most likely scenarios AD isnít happening for the Knicks.



what do thenlakers have?

honestly what do the celtics have?



Um, Tatum, Rozier, Smart, picks. Tatum is better than Barrett and i think most NBA executives think so


tatum is a nice prospect but his luster has fallrn off..

rozier is a restricted free sgent no value..

their future picks are really not great
Boston canít give up all that  
Carl in CT : 5/15/2019 8:01 am : link
When AD wonít sign there and is a FA in a year. I donít think they are players at all.
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BigBlueShock : 5/15/2019 8:03 am : link
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bust potential of the top 3 by a large margin. His shot is truly awful and this is a league where you need to shoot well. Canít see NO salivating over RJ. The Celtics and Lakers have much more to trade and In most likely scenarios AD isnít happening for the Knicks.



what do thenlakers have?

honestly what do the celtics have?



Um, Tatum, Rozier, Smart, picks. Tatum is better than Barrett and i think most NBA executives think so

Why do people keep bringing up the Celtics? AD has already said that he wonít resign with them. And if you were watching this season play out, it is almost impossible to believe that Kyrie stays. He seemed miserable as the season went on and all the chatter is that Boston tired of his act too. So, why exactly would AD change his mind about Boston now? Whoís he playing with? Also, what picks does Boston have that are even remotely as enticing as what the Knicks could offer, including this years number 3 overall?
Also RJ can easily...  
Italianju : 5/15/2019 8:03 am : link
be a better pro then Tatum. There college numbers are pretty comparable. Tatum shot a bit better from 3 (on less attempts) but fell short in most other categories.

Personally im just as excited about RJ as i would have been with Ja. And if we are to believe the KD/KI then RJ fits better, at least positionally. Id still be exploring all trades since if you can put a stud next to KD/KI that makes the most sense, but if we just have to keep all our youth then i still think this can be a very good team and if RJ is legit or Knox/Robinson take another step we could be a championship contender for awhile.
Hopefully the Knicks hold the wildcard now  
Chris684 : 5/15/2019 8:12 am : link
which is the Pels presumably wanting to build a foundation around Zion to keep him happy.

What better way than to set him up with his college running mate.

Barrett + Mitch + Pelicans pick of Knox and/or Frank.

If the Knicks could acquire AD and keep the Mavs picks, that would be huge.
I love how proud the NBA is on...  
Italianju : 5/15/2019 8:16 am : link
killing tanking. Which they didnt do anyway cause it still makes sense for a shit team like the knicks to lose. But its like hey if you tank you get screwed, but if you spend the last 25 games of the year playing your superstar 20 minutes a game and coming up with fake injuries every couple games so he can sit then you get the #1 pick!!!
RE: I love how proud the NBA is on...  
BigBlueShock : 5/15/2019 8:21 am : link
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killing tanking. Which they didnt do anyway cause it still makes sense for a shit team like the knicks to lose. But its like hey if you tank you get screwed, but if you spend the last 25 games of the year playing your superstar 20 minutes a game and coming up with fake injuries every couple games so he can sit then you get the #1 pick!!!

Exactly. Itís also going detract teams for gunning hard for the playoffs. If youíre a borderline playoff team, would you rather make the 7 or 8 seed knowing youíre going to get blown out of the gym in the first round, or would you rather enter the lottery knowing thereís a much more likely chance now at a top 5 pick? You think the Lakers wish they had made the playoffs?
the shine of the boston guys  
hitdog42 : 5/15/2019 8:21 am : link
has only come off because of 1 of the 2 FAs the Knicks want.

I almost feel like you are buying low on Tatum at this point. And while Brown will never be an All NBA guy, hes a good piece for a good team.

It couldnt be more clear that Kyrie was an awful fit for both the coach and the players.
While i agree on Brown...  
Italianju : 5/15/2019 8:24 am : link
does he make sense for NO? I think your right in that he is a good player for a good team which NO will not be for a couple seasons. Even if Zion was Lebron (which he isnt even close) it would take a few season before they were descent in the west. Again i agree that Tatum is prolly the best individual asset that NO can get, but the secondary assets BOS had (Brown and the picks) def didnt go the way that BOS was hoping.
RE: the shine of the boston guys  
BigBlueShock : 5/15/2019 8:28 am : link
In comment 14444392 hitdog42 said:
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has only come off because of 1 of the 2 FAs the Knicks want.

I almost feel like you are buying low on Tatum at this point. And while Brown will never be an All NBA guy, hes a good piece for a good team.

It couldnt be more clear that Kyrie was an awful fit for both the coach and the players.

Thatís fair. But even if you think Tatum is a All NBA talent (not saying you do, just as an example) Davis still has almost zero chance of going to Boston. He said last year he wouldnít resign there. Kyrie is obviously gone. So if Boston trades Tatum, Rozier, Brown or whoever, why the hell would Davis agree to go there? To play with Al Horford? A Boston trade just makes no sense for anyone involved.
Yep Boston sounds like a great destination these days  
Stu11 : 5/15/2019 8:36 am : link
Especially with Heyward hobbling up and down the court at 34 mill per. Rozier is a big fan:
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hitdog42 : 5/15/2019 8:38 am : link
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has only come off because of 1 of the 2 FAs the Knicks want.

I almost feel like you are buying low on Tatum at this point. And while Brown will never be an All NBA guy, hes a good piece for a good team.

It couldnt be more clear that Kyrie was an awful fit for both the coach and the players.


Thatís fair. But even if you think Tatum is a All NBA talent (not saying you do, just as an example) Davis still has almost zero chance of going to Boston. He said last year he wouldnít resign there. Kyrie is obviously gone. So if Boston trades Tatum, Rozier, Brown or whoever, why the hell would Davis agree to go there? To play with Al Horford? A Boston trade just makes no sense for anyone involved.


agree- dont see that happening- if i am boston I would try to develop and keep those guys. acknowledge they blew their window to be great on the nets fleecing and move on with what they have
RE: God damnit  
Harvest Blend : 5/15/2019 8:59 am : link
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This franchise blows


Yup. Totally the Knicks fault.
Question..  
TommyWiseau : 5/15/2019 9:00 am : link
Is the 2021 pick from Dallas protected or unprotected? I know the 2023 pick is top 10 protected
Got what I wanted last night  
PhilSimms15 : 5/15/2019 9:01 am : link
As a long time Knicks fan, and knowing that for the past 34 years they Knicks never moved up in a lottery only down or flat, I just wanted to fall in the top 3.

Zion, Morant and RJ are a class above the next tier.

I guess I am in the minority in hoping for RJ over Morant. A year ago at this time, Barrett was the consensus top pick in the 2019 draft. And there is no guarantee that Zion will end up s better player than RJ.

Barrett has great size for a 2-guard, has terrific vision (does need to pass more) can be a elite defensive player if his coach pushes him, snd is as good of a slashing scorer as there is in the draft.

Can he improve his outside shooting? Yes. But his shot mechanics are good and if he works hard, he will be a good shooter.

Itís a good day for the New York Knicks.
The Boston kids, especially Tatum, are tough to evaluate with KI there  
Mike in NJ : 5/15/2019 9:02 am : link
At this point, I think we have a better feel for what Brown's potential is. He seems like a jack of all trades, master of none type of player. I think he projects to be a top level defender due to his athleticism, but I don't think he's ever going to be more than a guy that you want as your 4th or 5th best player.

I don't know what to think about Tatum anymore. Coming out of Duke, he was viewed as a potentially elite scorer, but he hasn't done that consistently as a pro. This year he seemed to be too passive, and had real issues with his handle. Teams kind of figured out that if they pressured him with the ball he would either look to pass or put up a bad shot because he couldn't consistently get to the rim.

Maybe some of this has to due with a lack of confidence due to Irving, or simply trying to defer to him, but statistically he was actually better when Irving was on the court with him, so I don't really know what to think.
Danny ainge is a fantastic gm  
nygiants16 : 5/15/2019 9:06 am : link
but he had a chance to build a dynasty and i think he has messed it up, the picks he has left do not hold much value, tatum and brown are not anything special at this point...

He has no cap space to work with...
Ainge is going to make a run @  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/15/2019 9:07 am : link
AD. ? is if it'll be enough.
I thought it was a good night  
Harvest Blend : 5/15/2019 9:10 am : link
#3 pick considered. The NBA gets Zion in NO (hilarious) and the Celtics and Mavs got no love.

Don't like the LAL thing but we all knew they wouldn't be picking 11th.

BTW, fuck the Celtics
RE: Danny ainge is a fantastic gm  
TyreeHelmet : 5/15/2019 9:17 am : link
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but he had a chance to build a dynasty and i think he has messed it up, the picks he has left do not hold much value, tatum and brown are not anything special at this point...

He has no cap space to work with...


I agree with this. I understand the sophomore slump and how young he is, but Tatum really regressed this year. Heís a bad defender, his handle is poor and he doesnít create well. Heís a good scorer, but he was a worse shooter and finisher this year. Those are really bad signs. Is he really a better prospect at this point than Barrett, Morant or even Culver? Brown is a nice player but heís not an all star talent and heís going to get paid big in a year.

Bostonís best asset is probably the Memphis pick that doesnít become unprotected until 2021. The Knicks, Lakers and Celtics could all build appealing packages. Iím just doubtful that Boston will want to include everything if Davis doesnít want to be there.

Lastly, Bostonís picks this year are 14th and 2 in the 20s. Those arenít close to as valuable as the 3rd or 4th picks. Itís the Lakers or Knicks in my eyes.
All Great points guys  
Carl in CT : 5/15/2019 9:21 am : link
Plus I would think NO would want to send him East for PR purposes if our offer was equal to the Lakers.
If knicks want to they can trump any offer  
nygiants16 : 5/15/2019 9:24 am : link
with the draft combine starting today i am sure talks will start
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