About 13 1/2 hours or so from now, we'll know where the ping pong have landed. As most know, the Knicks, Cavs, & Suns all have the same odds of winning the Zion sweepstakes @ 14 % each. The worse case for the Knicks is they end up with the 5th pick, but that's not going to happen. Think positively.
Going to be a long day at work looking @ the clock. Beer in the man cave fridge is cold & ready to be consumed.
If the idea is to trade for Anthony Davis, the Knicks didn't hurt their chances at all tonight. The Pelicans future is Zion Williamson, and pairing him up with Morant or Barrett is the perfect start to the rebuild. Throw in a couple of other first rounders, and one of either Knox, Robinson or DSJ and the Knicks have the best package anyone can offer.
I've seen a few people on Twitter mentioning the Lakers as an AD destination again, but RJ Barrett is a better prospect than anyone that they can offer, and after the season that Jayson Tatum had I don't think it's a stretch to say Barrett (especially with his connection to Zion) could be viewed as a more valuable asset than anything Boston can offer. If New Orleans is truly serious about moving AD, the Knicks should be the favorites to land him.
Pels get:
Knox, 2019 #3 & 2021 1st unprotected, 2023 1st protected
Knicks get:
AD, Solomon Hill
Could obviously add a player, especially in lieu of a pick (Hill is whatever). And if it's Mitch IMO 1 pick comes off the table / drops to a 2nd. At first I thought no way NO goes for this but I think it's close (tho I'm unaware of other teams offers in comparison)
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if the Knicks can't spin an AD trade by draft day, then I would seriously consider drafting DeAndre Hunter instead of RJ Barrett. He's a better fit as a 3 & D player with KD and Kyrie. I think this might become a real option as the Lakers' trade deal will get far more appealing with their bullshit launch into the 4th pick.
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Knicks can offer up to 5 1st round picks, plus young players if they really want to go all in..
this years pick, 2020 knicks, 2021 dallas, 2022 knicks, 2023 dallas..
That is a lot of youth for the pelicans to surround zion and rj...
If you want to go all in
No. You cannot trade picks in consecutive years. Come on.
read what i wrote again, they wouldnt be trading their pick in consecutive years
You said this year and 2020. Those are consecutive years, no?
Getting AD would be awesome but I really don't know how kuch sense that makes in order to win a championship. We cannout bleed the team out to have three superstars especially if those superstars are KD, AD, and KI. 2 of the 3 are often injured. That is not smart. And add in that we'd have no depth and I think that is the wrong way to go. It isn't popular but I would just get KD and whoever he wants and use our draft picks. Imo, that is the best way to huild up this team.
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Knicks can offer up to 5 1st round picks, plus young players if they really want to go all in..
this years pick, 2020 knicks, 2021 dallas, 2022 knicks, 2023 dallas..
That is a lot of youth for the pelicans to surround zion and rj...
If you want to go all in
No. You cannot trade picks in consecutive years. Come on.
read what i wrote again, they wouldnt be trading their pick in consecutive years
You said this year and 2020. Those are consecutive years, no?
They can get around that by completing the trade after the draft. Agree to it in principle beforehand, then send Barrett to New Orleans. The rule only applies to future firsts so once the selection is made it no longer matters.
The team he wants to go to will have tremendous leverage, and NO will have to take whatever they offer (or get nothing in a year). This concept of giving up several good players and multiple first round draft choices is ridiculous. If the Knicks get Durant and perhaps another top free agent, and assuming Davis wants the Knicks, just figure out what needs to be done to clear the cap space and wait a year, or give NO a take it or leave it offer.
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Knicks can offer up to 5 1st round picks, plus young players if they really want to go all in..
this years pick, 2020 knicks, 2021 dallas, 2022 knicks, 2023 dallas..
That is a lot of youth for the pelicans to surround zion and rj...
If you want to go all in
No. You cannot trade picks in consecutive years. Come on.
read what i wrote again, they wouldnt be trading their pick in consecutive years
You said this year and 2020. Those are consecutive years, no?
They can get around that by completing the trade after the draft. Agree to it in principle beforehand, then send Barrett to New Orleans. The rule only applies to future firsts so once the selection is made it no longer matters.
And that goes with my point that if it is done after the draft (1 month?) then we need to gut the team just to male the salaries match so throwing in an additional 4 picks is beyond insane.
...the Knicks would NOT secure the #1 pick?
For a team that has been both lousy and unlucky for years, did anyone REALLY believe their ship would come home at 14%?
This is still the New York Knicks... right?
...the Knicks would NOT secure the #1 pick?
For a team that has been both lousy and unlucky for years, did anyone REALLY believe their ship would come home at 14%?
This is still the New York Knicks... right?
Unlike most, I am happy with the third pick. Hope for the best but expect the worst. Anybody saying we tanked for the first pick obviously didn't understand how the lottery works. We finished in last place to secure a top 5 pick. Getting number three is a good thing. Look at where the other teams are picking that had the same odds as the Knicks. Number 1 or 2 would have been very nice but this is reality.
I have been a fan of Morant since early in the season when I was looking at mock drafts and saw who he was. So, any time a game was on of his I'd watch. What became apparent to me is that while ge puts up steals he doesn't really play defense. He is small. I don't see him getting better defensively at the NBA level. He will be a huge liability in that area. Yes, he does so much offensive hence why he will almost definitely be the 2nd pick in the draft. However, who has really paid attention? There was a rumor the Knicks like Culver more than Morant. Culver was up there too before his last 2 games in college. But here is the key point: Fiz said numerous times he wants guys that will play defense. Those are the guys he wants on the court. It wouldn't surprise me if the Knicks got the second pick and passed on Morant.
As more time goes by we will see Knicks fans come around to the 3rd pick. Most are just annoyed we finished last in the league and didn't get the top pick.
2018 - Luka Doncic
2017 - Jayson Tatum
2016 - Jaylen Brown
2015 - Jahlil Okafor (yuck)
2014 - Joel Embiid
2013 - Otto Porter
2012 - Bradley Beal
2011 - Enes Kanter
2010 - Derrick Favors
2009 - James Harden
2008 - OJ Mayo (yuck)
2007 - Al Horford
2006 - Adam Morrison (the MJ special)
2005 - Deron Williams
2004 - Ben Gordon
2003 - Carmelo Anthony
2002 - Mike Dunleavy Jr
2001 - Pau Gasol
2000 - Darius Miles
1999 - Baron Davis
How is this trade scenario, 3rd pick and DSG to Memphis for the 2nd pick? Secures us Morant and Memphis can keep Conley to groom DSG and they get Barrett
Could have done without the Pels winning the lottery (although that could help if Zion expresses interest in continuing to play with Barrett) and the fucking Lakers getting just 1 pick behind us.
Look at the bright side though, if the Lakers were one pick ahead of us right now we’d be totally fucked on the trade front.
This was the second least likely outcome, with the 4th pick being the least likely.
what do thenlakers have?
honestly what do the celtics have?
The knicks are in a rare great spot. We have a bunch of assets right now. We have a top 3 pick, Knox, Robinson, a bunch of firsts in the near future. We also have intriguing youth still on the roster in guys like Trier, Dotson, DSJ, etc.. Not to mention the capspace. Do i want to completely gut the team for AD, no, but i think we can make an AD trade and still hold onto a handful of assets.
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bust potential of the top 3 by a large margin. His shot is truly awful and this is a league where you need to shoot well. Can’t see NO salivating over RJ. The Celtics and Lakers have much more to trade and In most likely scenarios AD isn’t happening for the Knicks.
what do thenlakers have?
honestly what do the celtics have?
Um, Tatum, Rozier, Smart, picks. Tatum is better than Barrett and i think most NBA executives think so
Who’s matching that?
The Lakers can build a good package. But Ingram has some serious health uncertainty. But he is a very good young player in my eyes. The Lakers package will be close...
I just don’t see if with the Celtics. Even if they want all in, I personally think their players and picks are overrated. But I also don’t see them going all in with Davis, especially if Irving is leaving.
Who else is out there? It’s Lakers or Knicks.
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bust potential of the top 3 by a large margin. His shot is truly awful and this is a league where you need to shoot well. Can’t see NO salivating over RJ. The Celtics and Lakers have much more to trade and In most likely scenarios AD isn’t happening for the Knicks.
what do thenlakers have?
honestly what do the celtics have?
Um, Tatum, Rozier, Smart, picks. Tatum is better than Barrett and i think most NBA executives think so
Roziers an RFA and it’s arguable that Both Tatum and Brown lost value this year. Last, which picks are soo tantalizing? 14 this year? Or 20 or 22?
Further, to assume Boston will trade for Davis with Kyrie potentially walking is a leap and then you have to hope Davis will re-sign. Far from the slam dunk you’re arguing
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bust potential of the top 3 by a large margin. His shot is truly awful and this is a league where you need to shoot well. Can’t see NO salivating over RJ. The Celtics and Lakers have much more to trade and In most likely scenarios AD isn’t happening for the Knicks.
what do thenlakers have?
honestly what do the celtics have?
Um, Tatum, Rozier, Smart, picks. Tatum is better than Barrett and i think most NBA executives think so
tatum is a nice prospect but his luster has fallrn off..
rozier is a restricted free sgent no value..
their future picks are really not great
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bust potential of the top 3 by a large margin. His shot is truly awful and this is a league where you need to shoot well. Can’t see NO salivating over RJ. The Celtics and Lakers have much more to trade and In most likely scenarios AD isn’t happening for the Knicks.
what do thenlakers have?
honestly what do the celtics have?
Um, Tatum, Rozier, Smart, picks. Tatum is better than Barrett and i think most NBA executives think so
Why do people keep bringing up the Celtics? AD has already said that he won’t resign with them. And if you were watching this season play out, it is almost impossible to believe that Kyrie stays. He seemed miserable as the season went on and all the chatter is that Boston tired of his act too. So, why exactly would AD change his mind about Boston now? Who’s he playing with? Also, what picks does Boston have that are even remotely as enticing as what the Knicks could offer, including this years number 3 overall?
Personally im just as excited about RJ as i would have been with Ja. And if we are to believe the KD/KI then RJ fits better, at least positionally. Id still be exploring all trades since if you can put a stud next to KD/KI that makes the most sense, but if we just have to keep all our youth then i still think this can be a very good team and if RJ is legit or Knox/Robinson take another step we could be a championship contender for awhile.
What better way than to set him up with his college running mate.
Barrett + Mitch + Pelicans pick of Knox and/or Frank.
If the Knicks could acquire AD and keep the Mavs picks, that would be huge.
Exactly. It’s also going detract teams for gunning hard for the playoffs. If you’re a borderline playoff team, would you rather make the 7 or 8 seed knowing you’re going to get blown out of the gym in the first round, or would you rather enter the lottery knowing there’s a much more likely chance now at a top 5 pick? You think the Lakers wish they had made the playoffs?
I almost feel like you are buying low on Tatum at this point. And while Brown will never be an All NBA guy, hes a good piece for a good team.
It couldnt be more clear that Kyrie was an awful fit for both the coach and the players.
I almost feel like you are buying low on Tatum at this point. And while Brown will never be an All NBA guy, hes a good piece for a good team.
It couldnt be more clear that Kyrie was an awful fit for both the coach and the players.
That’s fair. But even if you think Tatum is a All NBA talent (not saying you do, just as an example) Davis still has almost zero chance of going to Boston. He said last year he wouldn’t resign there. Kyrie is obviously gone. So if Boston trades Tatum, Rozier, Brown or whoever, why the hell would Davis agree to go there? To play with Al Horford? A Boston trade just makes no sense for anyone involved.
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has only come off because of 1 of the 2 FAs the Knicks want.
I almost feel like you are buying low on Tatum at this point. And while Brown will never be an All NBA guy, hes a good piece for a good team.
It couldnt be more clear that Kyrie was an awful fit for both the coach and the players.
That’s fair. But even if you think Tatum is a All NBA talent (not saying you do, just as an example) Davis still has almost zero chance of going to Boston. He said last year he wouldn’t resign there. Kyrie is obviously gone. So if Boston trades Tatum, Rozier, Brown or whoever, why the hell would Davis agree to go there? To play with Al Horford? A Boston trade just makes no sense for anyone involved.
agree- dont see that happening- if i am boston I would try to develop and keep those guys. acknowledge they blew their window to be great on the nets fleecing and move on with what they have
Yup. Totally the Knicks fault.
Zion, Morant and RJ are a class above the next tier.
I guess I am in the minority in hoping for RJ over Morant. A year ago at this time, Barrett was the consensus top pick in the 2019 draft. And there is no guarantee that Zion will end up s better player than RJ.
Barrett has great size for a 2-guard, has terrific vision (does need to pass more) can be a elite defensive player if his coach pushes him, snd is as good of a slashing scorer as there is in the draft.
Can he improve his outside shooting? Yes. But his shot mechanics are good and if he works hard, he will be a good shooter.
It’s a good day for the New York Knicks.
I don't know what to think about Tatum anymore. Coming out of Duke, he was viewed as a potentially elite scorer, but he hasn't done that consistently as a pro. This year he seemed to be too passive, and had real issues with his handle. Teams kind of figured out that if they pressured him with the ball he would either look to pass or put up a bad shot because he couldn't consistently get to the rim.
Maybe some of this has to due with a lack of confidence due to Irving, or simply trying to defer to him, but statistically he was actually better when Irving was on the court with him, so I don't really know what to think.
He has no cap space to work with...
Don't like the LAL thing but we all knew they wouldn't be picking 11th.
BTW, fuck the Celtics
He has no cap space to work with...
I agree with this. I understand the sophomore slump and how young he is, but Tatum really regressed this year. He’s a bad defender, his handle is poor and he doesn’t create well. He’s a good scorer, but he was a worse shooter and finisher this year. Those are really bad signs. Is he really a better prospect at this point than Barrett, Morant or even Culver? Brown is a nice player but he’s not an all star talent and he’s going to get paid big in a year.
Boston’s best asset is probably the Memphis pick that doesn’t become unprotected until 2021. The Knicks, Lakers and Celtics could all build appealing packages. I’m just doubtful that Boston will want to include everything if Davis doesn’t want to be there.
Lastly, Boston’s picks this year are 14th and 2 in the 20s. Those aren’t close to as valuable as the 3rd or 4th picks. It’s the Lakers or Knicks in my eyes.