NFT: Knicks/NBA Chat, 5/14. IT'S LOTTERY DAY!

And I feel worse that Patrick will be there. I don�t want to have to see him up there if it turns out to be worst case scenario.

Basketball Gods if you�re listening, I�m fine with 2nd pick. Please no 4 or 5!

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And I feel worse that Patrick will be there. I don�t want to have to see him up there if it turns out to be worst case scenario. Basketball Gods if you�re listening, I�m fine with 2nd pick. Please no 4 or 5!

I think the only benefit to 4 or 5 is the additional cap room that could let us keep Dot and/or ZO and still have two max. If we get Zion, those two are probably toast.

Still rather have zion.

Think positively! We're due.

I think Knicks trade the pick no matter what, i think their goal is to go into free agency with davis and 2 max slots

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Think positively! We're due.

I hope you�re right and I wish I felt that way but I�m prepping for the worst.

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I think Knicks trade the pick no matter what, i think their goal is to go into free agency with davis and 2 max slots

This should be the goal but even then you don�t really want to slip beyond 3 at a minimum.

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I think Knicks trade the pick no matter what, i think their goal is to go into free agency with davis and 2 max slots

I could see that, but we need the 1st pick overall to get AD, 2nd @ worst. Pels aren't trading for the 5th pick overall in this draft.

to Knicks fans.

though i will be rooting for the Cavs to get the top pick

(Let�s say you want Davis). Without the #1 Robinson has to be in the package. (He might have to be including #1 but I hope not).

when the lottery odds change so that they have a less than 30% chance of getting a top two pick

hope they win it but it is the knicks

I think the Knicks plan is to trade whatever they land for Anthony Davis. The higher the pick the better the chance they strike a deal and the less they give up.

Im hoping they would only deal 2-5 and not Zion.

its a good drop off after that. So whether we keep or trade the pick top 3 is key. Really i want top 2, but im a knicks fan and im not going to push it so top 3 is fine.

Im sure this will be said a lot today, but ill say again that a system where the team with the worst record in the league can end up with the 5th pick (and its not even that far fetched they do, like a 2% chance or something) is stupid.

That reading for AD mean that, no matter what, we would have only 1 max slot open. Am I incorrect in that?

We never have any luck

can make AD and two max work, but it involves trading most of the roster to make the salary work. So 1st rounder, Knox, DSJ, Frank, etc... Whats funny is the knicks could use one like overpaid 10 mill player to help facilitate the trade.

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That reading for AD mean that, no matter what, we would have only 1 max slot open. Am I incorrect in that?

yes incorrect, my guess you read the dailynews

i mean all we have had is bad stuff for 2 decades. I want to think we are due, but its hard.

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can make AD and two max work, but it involves trading most of the roster to make the salary work. So 1st rounder, Knox, DSJ, Frank, etc... Whats funny is the knicks could use one like overpaid 10 mill player to help facilitate the trade.

Knicks have some smaller deals they can use as cap filler like jenkins

all of the youth especially mitch robinson, plus multiple 1sts (both knicks and mavs) to get davis. Sure davis is a great player, but you would be left with davis and 2 max slots with only bare bones around them . No youth, no role players, no draft picks, no way to improve the team going forward . It's just not worth it IMO and kills all flexibility going forward.

i didnt realize that Ellenson+Jenkins+ Garrett was like 5 mill in salary. Throw in Lance and you are already up to 12. Means i guess you might be able to figure out a way to keep say DSJ.

How does the 1st round pick work? I guess we would have to wait until he is signed to count his salary? That would be another what like 6 mill. So the rookie, thomas, those 3 bums, and Knox would be almost enough right there. That doesnt include DSJ or Frank (not that i care).

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all of the youth especially mitch robinson, plus multiple 1sts (both knicks and mavs) to get davis. Sure davis is a great player, but you would be left with davis and 2 max slots with only bare bones around them . No youth, no role players, no draft picks, no way to improve the team going forward . It's just not worth it IMO and kills all flexibility going forward.

you have davis, dursnt and kyrie you are instant title contender, you could fill the bench pretty easily

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i didnt realize that Ellenson+Jenkins+ Garrett was like 5 mill in salary. Throw in Lance and you are already up to 12. Means i guess you might be able to figure out a way to keep say DSJ. How does the 1st round pick work? I guess we would have to wait until he is signed to count his salary? That would be another what like 6 mill. So the rookie, thomas, those 3 bums, and Knox would be almost enough right there. That doesnt include DSJ or Frank (not that i care).

cant put thomas, he needs to be released for max space..

i think 1st pick is around 10 million, you have to get to 22 of davis 27 million..

You can gree in principle, sign draft pick and wait 30 days for it to be official

Unfortunately it ends in about 13 hours. I am just hoping he goes somewhere tolerable. But there are a lot of groan-inducing candidates out there:

Phoenix or Cleveland for the thousandth time, Lakers, Celtics, Mavericks. It would suck for Zion if he ends up with Washington considering the cap situation there.

Atlanta, Memphis, New Orleans, Charlotte are tolerable, hope one of them wins since I know the Knicks won�t.

I think if we end up with a top 3 pick. THe offer should be the pick, Knox, Frank, and the Mavs pick. If we have to throw in a future first of our own then fine. I know that AD is worht more then that as im sure some fan of another team will tell me. BUT its not that he is worth more its what other team is going to give a better offer.

No reason to give up a top 2 pick and Robinson. The knicks could actually be in the drivers seat for once, dont overpay in a trade when you dont have to. This could be our getting James Harden for Jeremy Lamb and whatever pick turned into Steven Adams. And a top 3 pick, an unprotected mavs pick, another first and Knox is not a bad deal when your trying to trade a disgruntled superstar who is saying im only signing with 4 teams or whatever.

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i mean all we have had is bad stuff for 2 decades. I want to think we are due, but its hard.

I can�t shake the feeling as well. Nothing EVER breaks the Knicks way. I�m fully expecting the 5th pick and a full meltdown on BBI beginning around 9 pm. Hoping for the best, expecting the worst, per usual with this team.

There is a 48% chance they pick 5th, 86% chance they don�t pick first. It would be incredible luck if they did land #1 overall.

I hope they do but Iknow better.

Knicks fans need to pray, not for just the 1st pick, but for a top 3 pick. Anything else is a epic fail IMO.

I think the plan is to flip the pick for Davis, and if we fall outside of the top 3 it will be a lot easier for New Orleans to accept if they already know they are getting Zion. There is a 20% chance the top pick goes to either the Knicks or New Orleans, thinking of it that way makes me more optimistic going into tonight.

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I think if we end up with a top 3 pick. THe offer should be the pick, Knox, Frank, and the Mavs pick. If we have to throw in a future first of our own then fine. I know that AD is worht more then that as im sure some fan of another team will tell me. BUT its not that he is worth more its what other team is going to give a better offer. No reason to give up a top 2 pick and Robinson. The knicks could actually be in the drivers seat for once, dont overpay in a trade when you dont have to. This could be our getting James Harden for Jeremy Lamb and whatever pick turned into Steven Adams. And a top 3 pick, an unprotected mavs pick, another first and Knox is not a bad deal when your trying to trade a disgruntled superstar who is saying im only signing with 4 teams or whatever.

I agree with this. I'm incredibly high on Zion as a prospect, but lets see the big picture here. If they have a chance to pair Durant and Anthony Davis up, you do whatever it takes to make that happen. If that has to be Zion or wherever the pick lands, Robinson and all the young players, you have to do it.

Davis is 26 years old and really has zero weakness on the basketball court. I hate how he treated this season, and he has some injury risk ( what nba player doesn't?), you can't argue his ability.

What about a scenario where they trade 2019 pick/ Robinson/ Knox/ salary filler for Davis, sign Durant and then use the remaining cap space to sign multiple players instead of Kyrie or another max? I actually may like this scenario the best...

Yes it would suck but knicks have set it up where free agency is more important than the draft..

and say mnicks do get 1 through 3 and trade it for davis, pick, knox, frank, cap filler multiple 1sts...

you have a core of kyrie, durant, davis, jordan, robinson, trier, smith jr, melo(haha) and more vet minimums..

instant contender

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but I will not watch the lottery live. No good can come from me doing that. Oops. I watched the NHL lottery only after the Rangers were in the top 3.

Has me conditioned to negativity and disappointment. I�m fully expecting the Knicks to fall past the top 3.

Then they are in drivers seat with NOLA. No one can come close to offering anything better because NOLA needs to get fans in the seats and Jason Tatum is not putting fans in the seats. NOLA could play hard ball as much as they want but at the end of the day they will take any deal knicks would offer with Zion. Personally I would not trade Zion.

Sign KD, Kyrie and some vets with the mid level exceptions ie danny green, Beverly. Keep all the young assets for the start of the season, have the deepest team in the league mixed between vets and up and comers. At the all star break figure out what�s best missing from the team and package the youth/picks that are not needed to get the missing piece. There will be teams at the break that are in bad shape salary wise and won�t be sniffing the playoffs and looking to unload. OKC could be one of those teams looking to start over. At the break an offer of Knox smith jr and a first rounder or 2 would be enticing for Paul George. Then okc can trade Westbrook and they are cap free with a bunch of youn players and picks to start over.

Knicks could roll out, Kyrie George, Durant, Zion and Mitch Robinson. Still have a good bench.

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Yes it would suck but knicks have set it up where free agency is more important than the draft.. and say mnicks do get 1 through 3 and trade it for davis, pick, knox, frank, cap filler multiple 1sts... you have a core of kyrie, durant, davis, jordan, robinson, trier, smith jr, melo(haha) and more vet minimums.. instant contender

I wouldn't call it an epic fail and its not the Knicks fault if they do. They did everything they can to maximize their draft position. With that said, they just had a 17 win season that was abysmal. If they land the 5th pick after that season, that is an enormous disappointment. Especially considering the draft falls off after 3 or 4.

The Knicks have also had zero lottery luck. They have never moved up in the lottery. Hopefully that luck changes tonight...

creates an instant contender. However if KI is one of the big 3 we need another lead guard because he misses 15-20 games a season guaranteed, even just for maintenance, not to mention the games AD misses. If we are lucky enough to land a top 2 pick I am heavily in favor of keeping it. Pair Zion/Ja Morant with the big 2 and what we have already that can be absolutely a contender to make it out of the East withing the next 2 years and gives us a hell of a lot more roster flexibility and trade bait with the picks we have going forward to make improvement at the trade deadlines.

but as a cuse/melo fan id be happy to bring him back if we get KD/KI. I hate the way his career has ended (and fully accept that its his fault since he wont adjust his game). That said I understand he prolly doesnt make it through the season without being cut cause he wont accept the type of role he should have at this point but id still like to give it a try, lol.

Pail George is probably not a great example because of his salary, but there will be options.

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but as a cuse/melo fan id be happy to bring him back if we get KD/KI. I hate the way his career has ended (and fully accept that its his fault since he wont adjust his game). That said I understand he prolly doesnt make it through the season without being cut cause he wont accept the type of role he should have at this point but id still like to give it a try, lol.

i am right there with you, i have no pronlem bringing melo in after signing 2 max guys

can make an AD deal work without giving up DSJ so he can be your backup PG. Or you sign a vet. The advantage of having a big 3 like that is if a star gets hurt or needs a day or two off then the other two just pick up the slack. So you dont have to replace Irving for those games with a guy who can do something close to what Irving does. Depth in the nba is mostly overrated. The Bucks and TOR are in the finals mostly cause they have the 2 best players in the East. Sure they have depth but depth also looks a lot better when you have guys like Giannis and Kawhi.

the Melo/HOU one was pretty good from a couple weeks ago.

not feeling optimistic at all.

Preparing to see the logo come out of the envelope at 5.

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not feeling optimistic at all. Preparing to see the logo come out of the envelope at 5.

I woke up the exact opposite. I'm feeling good. Positive vibes brother.

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There is a 48% chance they pick 5th, 86% chance they don�t pick first. It would be incredible luck if they did land #1 overall.

It's the classic statistics problem that is super difficult to comprehend..

You flip a perfectly balanced coin 9 times... and its heads every time. What are the odds that it is heads the 10th toss? 50%.

Knicks have been on the wrong side of every lottery "coin toss" since Ewing. That streak is why getting the 5th pick will be perceived as bad luck, not because of the odds of this particular "toss".

Melo in after we sign Deandre Jordan somehow. Melo as some instand offense off the bench would not be bad, assuming he is willing to take on that role

Odds are against us. Too bad they changed the rules the one year we deliberately tank.

Knicks fans will absolutely be whining about how the franchise is cursed and they got fucked as soon as the card is flipped over tonight. Just want to note that it�s not likely things work out.

Have been amazed for the last few months how readily Knicks fans were penciling Zion into future plans like drafting him is a sure thing.

So the worst team has the best chance to land the FIFTH overall pick? I get the trade-off with not falling farther than 5, but it makes no sense. We were the worst fucking team in the NBA. How do we only have a 14% chance of picking first?

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Knicks fans will absolutely be whining about how the franchise is cursed and they got fucked as soon as the card is flipped over tonight. Just want to note that it�s not likely things work out. Have been amazed for the last few months how readily Knicks fans were penciling Zion into future plans like drafting him is a sure thing.

Correct. If we win, we won fair and square and everyone else can go to hell. If we lose, the franchise is confirmed to be cursed and the lottery system is complete bullshit.

& realize the odds are not in our favor of getting Zion. But I'm trying to think positively for a change with this franchise.

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& realize the odds are not in our favor of getting Zion. But I'm trying to think positively for a change with this franchise.

Tried that. Marbury, Linsanity, Porzingis...never turns out well

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So the worst team has the best chance to land the FIFTH overall pick? I get the trade-off with not falling farther than 5, but it makes no sense. We were the worst fucking team in the NBA. How do we only have a 14% chance of picking first?

Agreed. I would make the lottery just for the top 2 or 3 spots and allow the worst team to pick no later than 3rd or 4th. I just think the drop to 5th is way too steep for the worst team in the league. 1 to 5 makes a huge difference in the nba draft too. I also think they should prevent teams from winning multiple lotteries in a certain number of years.

KD + will instantly make the Knicks a 3-5 seed, if some other things fall into place, who knows.

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In comment 14442851 SFGFNCGiantsFan said: Quote: & realize the odds are not in our favor of getting Zion. But I'm trying to think positively for a change with this franchise. Tried that. Marbury, Linsanity, Porzingis...never turns out well

Porzingis didn't want to be here, but drafting him absolutely worked out. There was nothing wrong with anything the Knicks did there. In fact it's a good look and should make you MORE confident about the franchise that they identified his talent and had the conviction to draft him.

Linsanity isn't a thing. He's just a bench guard that had a hot streak. Nothing he's done since leaving should have anyone be shedding tears. He's usually hurt and consistently average.

than 3. We also have to hope Dallas ends up outside the top 5.

ZION TIME BABY!

In comment 14442847 Anakim said:

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So the worst team has the best chance to land the FIFTH overall pick? I get the trade-off with not falling farther than 5, but it makes no sense. We were the worst fucking team in the NBA. How do we only have a 14% chance of picking first?

FWIW... in the old system the worst team had the best chance of picking 4th. In other words, it was still more likely to get 4th than 1st in the old system.

I would have signed him last summer. Letting him potentially become a RFA was always a risky play. If you sign him, you can always trade him at any point, only you can do it on your timetable. But what's done is done....

In comment 14442847 Anakim said:

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So the worst team has the best chance to land the FIFTH overall pick? I get the trade-off with not falling farther than 5, but it makes no sense. We were the worst fucking team in the NBA. How do we only have a 14% chance of picking first?

they are more likely to pick 1-4 than 5.

bringing in vets to round out the roster if they get lucky this summer with free agents - but not Melo. What exactly does he bring to the table at this point in his career?

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In comment 14442847 Anakim said: Quote: So the worst team has the best chance to land the FIFTH overall pick? I get the trade-off with not falling farther than 5, but it makes no sense. We were the worst fucking team in the NBA. How do we only have a 14% chance of picking first? FWIW... in the old system the worst team had the best chance of picking 4th. In other words, it was still more likely to get 4th than 1st in the old system.

That's not entirely correct. Worst team had a 25% chance at 1st and about 65% at the top 3. Couldn't fall lower than 4th.

I really wanted KP to be the guy who turned this team around and eventually won a championship. Didn�t work out unfortunately. I am a little skeptical that he will be a 10 year superstar in this league but he has rare talent.

I wonder how KP will deal with being second fiddle to Luka, I think that could be problematic. Luka is already the better player and the face of the Mavericks.

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I really wanted KP to be the guy who turned this team around and eventually won a championship. Didn�t work out unfortunately. I am a little skeptical that he will be a 10 year superstar in this league but he has rare talent. I wonder how KP will deal with being second fiddle to Luka, I think that could be problematic. Luka is already the better player and the face of the Mavericks.

They are good buddies, so nobody seems to think ego will get in the way.

the 5th pick with Dallas top 4.

I don't see any other way.

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to Knicks fans. though i will be rooting for the Cavs to get the top pick

The Cavs will get the first pick. They almost ALWAYS get the first pick. So often, that it's ridiculous.

followed by some order of Mavs, Cavs, Suns 2-4 and NYK 5.

I'm done with the NBA.

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In comment 14442718 hitdog42 said: Quote: to Knicks fans. though i will be rooting for the Cavs to get the top pick The Cavs will get the first pick. They almost ALWAYS get the first pick. So often, that it's ridiculous.

I think the Lakers have already been set as the winners..when they actually start the ping pong ball machine, the ball picked first is actually #2.

because if it is there's no way it's not for the Lakers.

LeBron is stuck right now.

The Warriors are great with or without KD. Good chance Kawhi goes to Clips. Right now Houston, Denver, SA and Portland are all still way better than Lakers.

The Celtics and Knicks can make better offers for AD.

The number 1 pick to LA can change all of that.

The Knick's lottery fortunes since 1985 simply don't bode well for the Knicks chances this year, or any year, frankly. Mills and Perry will have to find a few diamonds in a coal bin if the Knicks are to win. As a Knicks fan, I wish them well.

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I wouldn�t go that far (I think), but a loud �Fuck yeah!� isn�t completely off the table for my initial reaction.

such low hopes. I think we'll end up with Cam Reddish when all is said and done.

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I wouldn�t go that far (I think), but a loud �Fuck yeah!� isn�t completely off the table for my initial reaction.

And on the flip side, I�ll probably just shake my head and laugh if/when Silver flips the cards at 4 or 5 and we see the Knick logo.

& bringing out the funnel.

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& bringing out the funnel.

Don�t waste those in the funnel...get a couple of Natty Ice sixers.

i feel the knicks are trading the pick no matter what i am not really sweating tonight, now where they pick will determine who they trade for or what they habe to give up alongside the pick...

Ja Morant 👍

I see the start time is 8:30pm. I know they save the best for last, but how long is the lottery? What time should we be expecting the top 5 picks to be announced.

Feeling good vibes!

to add whatever little luck I can.

Bout time things change for us. Lets Go Knicks!

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i feel the knicks are trading the pick no matter what i am not really sweating tonight, now where they pick will determine who they trade for or what they habe to give up alongside the pick...

Pick #2 is the wheelhouse pick for a trade should we get both KD and Kyrie. At #1, Zion may give us pause to trade unless the deal is on our terms and outside of #2 maybe #3 Pels will ask for a bunch more (including probably Mitchell).

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I see the start time is 8:30pm. I know they save the best for last, but how long is the lottery? What time should we be expecting the top 5 picks to be announced. Feeling good vibes!

845ish. They'll get to the top 3. Commercial.

If someone like Pels or Mavs are bypassed, it means they've moved into the top 3.

"Oh, Zion is overrated. He's just a post-up, in the paint player. He can't stretch the floor, has an average jumper/3 ball and his size and strength won't be as effective in the NBA. Ja Morant/RJ Barrett/D'Andre Hunter/Jarrett Culver/Cam Reddish all are better fits for the modern NBA."

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In comment 14443039 pierce58 said: Quote: I see the start time is 8:30pm. I know they save the best for last, but how long is the lottery? What time should we be expecting the top 5 picks to be announced. Feeling good vibes! 845ish. They'll get to the top 3. Commercial. If someone like Pels or Mavs are bypassed, it means they've moved into the top 3.

Top 4 up for grabs for teams to jump this year. That's the other big change.

So when you are watching, if Knicks logo doesn't get flashed at 5, then ~27% they have gotten the first pick.

Not really gonna sweat it if they miss out on Zion,and I wouldn't take Morant,so he can go to.

Zion in MSG would be fun.

and we'll lose out in 6 of them.

I'm in the camp that Zion is a total franchise changer. This is a huge night for Knicks fans. We've got an 86% chance of being really disappointed.

He's so Mr. Doom & Gloom.

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He's so Mr. Doom & Gloom.

he's been suffering Knick related misery for much longer than most of us here.

fans are ok with not getting Zion. Nobody was ever "owed" the top pick even under the old system. But slipping to 4 or 5 would be pretty lousy - especially after not moving up even a single spot in the lottery at any point since 1985.

care about Zion. I care about getting top 3 so we can get Anthony Davis.

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and we'll lose out in 6 of them. I'm in the camp that Zion is a total franchise changer. This is a huge night for Knicks fans. We've got an 86% chance of being really disappointed.

So is Anthony Davis. If pick 2 or 3 turn into Anthony Davis that's clearly better than anyone not named Zion and possibly Zion never gets to ADs level.

Look I love Zion but AD is a top 5 NBA talent. The minute you sign KD and Kyrie you are a "win now" team.

Trading Zion, Morant makes the deal likely without including Mitchell because those 2 guys are that good. Barrett is iffy on whether we can get away with not including Mitchell. Pick 4 or 5 itll likely be Mitch back in the deal.

Goes as chalk. Everyone that does the chances get better and better. If one doesn�t then you know they have moved up. (Which means someone has moved down).

at 4 watch, ugh.

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So the worst team has the best chance to land the FIFTH overall pick? I get the trade-off with not falling farther than 5, but it makes no sense. We were the worst fucking team in the NBA. How do we only have a 14% chance of picking first?

The worst team has the best chance to get the 5th overall pick because the 2nd worst team has that same chance split between the 5th/6th pick, and the 3rd worst team has that same chance split between the 5th/6th/7th picks.

and take DeAndre Hunter because he was a star on my alma mater and then proceed to ruin any chance he has at early career development.

Who goes to bed more disappointed tonight- Knicks fans or Mike Francesa' wife?

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at 4 watch, ugh.

This. I am fully expecting Reddish. I was reading an article the other day saying the Knicks are very high on him. I have no idea what anyone sees in him. I�d rather almost anyone else that is rumored to be in that range, which means it will be freakin Reddish

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i feel the knicks are trading the pick no matter what i am not really sweating tonight, now where they pick will determine who they trade for or what they habe to give up alongside the pick...

That would suck. I�d much rather have Zion.

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Knicks 5th. Dallas 1st.

Zion: might not be as good in NBA as people are expecting since his athleticism will not be enough to dominate. But he will still be good.

Barrett: He will never be a top 5 player but he will be a solid scorer and all-around player. KD lite.

Morant: Boom=bust candidate. Could be best player in the draft or could be a guy whose game does not translate against better athletes in the NBA.

Huge dropp off to Hunter, White, Culver Reddish. This is actually a very weak draft after the top three. Hachimura is a wildcard.

said he talked to an nba veteran, 100 percent chance durant to knicks and said durant has already started calling players to join him

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Hachimura is a wildcard.

Or Garland considering he hasn't played college ball

The Knicks really are going to end up with Durant and another max guy (likely Kyrie in the IF scenario), a player like Hunter would be a great piece to add to the mix. A super-athletic 3&D guy who can rebound and play inside/outside on both ends, with further upside if he improves his handle / learns to create his own shot.

Don't get me wrong, I want #1 about as much as anyone. But I won't let myself be destroyed if the ping pong balls don't fall right tonight.

Simulator - 4 times - one 2nd place finish and 3 5th place finishes - ha!

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In comment 14443259 Vanzetti said: Quote: Hachimura is a wildcard. Or Garland considering he hasn't played college ball

I would take Garland 4 or 5. It's a risk because meniscus can be a tricky injury because of the lack of blood flow. But upside is there

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at 4 watch, ugh.

This is the terrible pit in my stomach.... this exactly.

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The Knicks really are going to end up with Durant and another max guy (likely Kyrie in the IF scenario), a player like Hunter would be a great piece to add to the mix. A super-athletic 3&D guy who can rebound and play inside/outside on both ends, with further upside if he improves his handle / learns to create his own shot. Don't get me wrong, I want #1 about as much as anyone. But I won't let myself be destroyed if the ping pong balls don't fall right tonight.

I actually don�t think Reddish would be terrible in that scenario either. I know he struggled at times with Duke, but he is a shooter and can help stretch the floor for Durant/Irving. My only worry with him is he didn�t seem to respond well to being the third banana at Duke, and you have to wonder if that�ll be the case in the NBA as well.

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Lakers got the 1st
Memphis 2nd
Phoenix 3rd
Knicks 4th. 😞

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In comment 14443240 Steve in ATL said: Quote: on tankathon.com Link - ( New Window ) Lol. Only ran it once. Knicks 5th. Dallas 1st.

Bulls won it when I did it. Knicks...5. UFB.

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In comment 14443256 Harvest Blend said: Quote: In comment 14443240 Steve in ATL said: Quote: on tankathon.com Link - ( New Window ) Lol. Only ran it once. Knicks 5th. Dallas 1st. Bulls won it when I did it. Knicks...5. UFB.

Get your beer bong ready.

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I've run that damn thing about 100 times the past month and The Knicks get 4th or 5th like over 80 times. I'm expecting doom and gloom. What surprise me is how many times teams like the Lakers/Grizzlies move up to #1.

Zion is giving me a greg oden vibe. too much hype. he's so big, the way he plays i can't see his knees holding up.

bring KD, Klay, draft Morant, keep Smith.

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In comment 14443240 Steve in ATL said: Quote: on tankathon.com Link - ( New Window ) I've run that damn thing about 100 times the past month and The Knicks get 4th or 5th like over 80 times. I'm expecting doom and gloom. What surprise me is how many times teams like the Lakers/Grizzlies move up to #1.

Well..probably felt like that but it was probably close to 60 out of 100...

Just for s&gs I ran it 100 times just now and got 17%,10%,12%,13%,48% vs the anticipated 14%,13.4%,12.7%,11.9%,47.9%

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In comment 14443240 Steve in ATL said: Quote: on tankathon.com Link - ( New Window ) I've run that damn thing about 100 times the past month and The Knicks get 4th or 5th like over 80 times. I'm expecting doom and gloom. What surprise me is how many times teams like the Lakers/Grizzlies move up to #1.

The Knicks have a 60% of getting the 4th or 5th pick. It's not surprising that you would see that outcome often.

knicks got first 3 times and fifth 2 times. So we will either be first or 5th i guess, lol.

Not gonna bother checking until the end of the night. Now just don�t want the Lakers to get it. This has the feel of the D Rose draft though, not optimistic.

There is a huge difference betweeb getting Zion vs. Reddish/Hunter at #5.

Whether you keep him or trade him, Zion adds big value to the franchise, which helps attract free agents.

So, let's not kid ourselves: those pingpong balls are huge tonight

an outlandish notion - I think the league would want the Lakers franchise to be restored to glory. For this reason, I will not be surprised if the Lakers "win" the lottery.

will turn to acquiring AD

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AD and KD is the dream scenario.

Pass on Kyrie.

Sign Kemba if you must sign a PG, otherwise keep Smith Jr. and use money to build the rest of a good roster around the big 2.

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Honestly while I'm against it, if we do win the lottery and trade it for AD I really don't think we have to give up a hell of a lot more than that. Maybe one of the Dallas picks and a player or 2. When you factor in Zion's value and potential, as well as the cap $ saved I think that #1 is really worth a hell of a lot. Especially when you factor in the availability of other potential offers.

it very hard calling Reddish a "shooter" when the guy shot 36% from the field... 36!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 33% from the field. How many "shooters" at 19 were shooting that poorly that became "shooters"? He's going to be an older 1 and done (20) and has a questionable motor. PASS PASS PASS>

I'd honestly prefer they keep the pick and just draft Zion if they were to get the 1. Obviously AD would be a great get, too - but I don't want to give up the pick + youth. I think the Knicks would be better off drafting Zion and maintaining some flexibility.

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Call me crazy, but I think Zion, Frank and Knox for AD is fair. They're going to want Mitch, for sure, but hellll no.

for AD is really close. But given the fact that AD isn't THAT much older and is already a top 5 all time PF, I think you have to make the move.

For 2-5 it's a no brainer.

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once we're not picking 5th. I really hope this doesn't go the way the numbers say it most likely will.

If it costs Robinson to get AD, that's where I'd say no.

The pick, Knox, Frank... that's all fine. But I'd much rather have Zion/Robinson than AD with Robinson being dealt to NOLA.

KD and another max player are more important than anyone in the lottery.

Top 3 we move for Davis anyway.

Davis, KD, and another max for the next 4 to 5 years is a dream come true.
Players will be lining up to be role players in NY on that team

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If it costs Robinson to get AD, that's where I'd say no. The pick, Knox, Frank... that's all fine. But I'd much rather have Zion/Robinson than AD with Robinson being dealt to NOLA.

Unless Robinson adds some post moves and some game away from the basket
he is not enough to hold up an AD deal.

but this feels like a Mozgov/Melo type of concern.

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In comment 14443507 arcarsenal said: Quote: If it costs Robinson to get AD, that's where I'd say no. The pick, Knox, Frank... that's all fine. But I'd much rather have Zion/Robinson than AD with Robinson being dealt to NOLA. Unless Robinson adds some post moves and some game away from the basket he is not enough to hold up an AD deal.

For picks 2-5, no -

The point I'm making is that if the Knicks do get the first pick and still want to trade it, I'd be against moving that pick + Robinson+ for AD.

In that instance, I'd prefer to just draft and keep Zion and still have Robinson here.

For any other pick, if we have to include Robinson to get AD, so be it.

not get silly. If Mitch seals the deal and KD and Kyrie are joining Davis you don't think twice.

Logged the results.

47% Knicks pick 5th

9% Knicks pick 4th

11% Knicks pick 3rd

15% Knicks pick 2nd

18% Knicks pick 1st

So ...

56% Knicks pick 4 or 5

44% Knicks pick 1, 2 or 3

from what little I've seen of him, he looks like an awfully impressive offensive player (Trey Young type).

...and yes, I'm assuming we score a 5th pick tonight :(

I don't think it's "silly" to opine that the Knicks could potentially be better long-term with Zion, Robinson, KD, Kyrie/Kemba, Knox etc.

Davis misses time every year. He's a great player, but I'm not going to empty out the rest of the roster just to get him here and crush all . of our depth and hamstring our cap flexibility.

The guy basically never plays full seasons and he's coming off another one where he missed over 20 games. It's a fair concern.

Anthony Davis has missed time with a shoulder issue, back spasms, elbow issues, ankle issues.

It's not a no brainer.

Look for yourself. The guy is a walking medical report.
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I highly highly doubt AD would cost BOTH Zion AND Mitchell. Zion on his own almost gets you AD. Then we will include some combo of knox, Frank, DSJ (partly as salary cap filler and partly added value). Take a look at many of the other superstar trades,maybe Im wrong but I don't know if anyone got a Zion level prospect back.

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I don't think it's "silly" to opine that the Knicks could potentially be better long-term with Zion, Robinson, KD, Kyrie/Kemba, Knox etc. Davis misses time every year. He's a great player, but I'm not going to empty out the rest of the roster just to get him here and crush all . of our depth and hamstring our cap flexibility. The guy basically never plays full seasons and he's coming off another one where he missed over 20 games. It's a fair concern.

I�d lean slightly against trading Zion for Davis for this reason. I truly buy the Zion hype, and think the depth/cap flexibility is too important.

You definitely don�t trade Zion + Robinson for Davis.

I wouldn't trade Zion.

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I don't think it's "silly" to opine that the Knicks could potentially be better long-term with Zion, Robinson, KD, Kyrie/Kemba, Knox etc. Davis misses time every year. He's a great player, but I'm not going to empty out the rest of the roster just to get him here and crush all . of our depth and hamstring our cap flexibility. The guy basically never plays full seasons and he's coming off another one where he missed over 20 games. It's a fair concern.

Zion is an extremely high level prospect, Id laugh if the premise was including any pick in this draft other than him. But Zion has the look of one of those once in every decade or so type prospects .

That said I wouldnt be upset if we traded him for AD but its not a no brainer as some might think.

I specifically want Zion, not a trade chip for Davis. The biggest Knicks move of all time would be trading Zion for AD before free agency, whiffing in free agency and AD walks. And then Zion has a better NBA career than Davis anyway.

Not the most explosive athlete, but has enough �short area quickness� to get past defenders, and he has NBA range on his jumper. Someone will be very happy they drafted him.

Zion OR Morant OR Barrett for Anthony Davis... the Knicks will continue to suck for the next decade or two... period

putting out that you intend to trade the #1 pick before the lotto.

Have had bad feelings all day.

Hope I�m wrong

If the Knicks get pick 3 or worse and want to explore a trade for Davis, that's fine - I wouldn't be against that and I probably wouldn't hang up the phone over Mitch, either.

But - if the Knicks can draft Zion or even Morant, I honestly think they can build a better team by keeping either player if they can get Durant and another max to come here. This way, Robinson is still here, they can continue to develop Knox and there's still developing youth along with some depth and more cap flexibility.

I know we all are dying to see the Knicks finally win. But, I don't want to turn this into a situation where we basically dump everything for a 3 year window and then once that's done, we're back to square one with zero assets and need to go right back into tank mode.

I'd like to try and build something a little more sustainable. I know that's hard in the NBA because of how heavily the star power weighs, but I think the Knicks would be wise to play a bit of a long-game here even while they're pursuing Durant/Irving (or whoever they'd pair with Durant)

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Not the most explosive athlete, but has enough �short area quickness� to get past defenders, and he has NBA range on his jumper. Someone will be very happy they drafted him.

I agree with this. He's also such a good shooter (if it translates) that the threat of pulling up more than makes up for not being a top-level athlete a la Morant. If not for the injury it's possible he's being debated alongside Barrett and maybe even Morant as a top 2-3 guy in this draft.

will be part of the media contingent that privately watches the lottery drawing. That�s a lot of bad karma to overcome.

and he'll be an asset on defense from Day 1. He's about as "safe" as it gets in the draft. But having watched him for a couple years, I just don't see him (and I don't think anyone else sees him) as a centerpiece type, capable of putting a team on his shoulders.

I say forget A.D. Let him go to L.A.

KD. Kawhi. Kyrie. Kemba. Jimmy B.

Are all free agents...

This summer!

Hope for a top 3 pick.

1st Zion. 2nd Morant. 3rd Barrett.

Find out which one (if any) you get...

Tonight!

Sign KD. Draft Zion. BOOM!

Sign Kawhi. Draft Ja or RJ. BOOM!

I'd pass on Kyrie if I'm NYK... or at least would put a few of the top FAs ahead of him on my 'want list'. If I get Zion, Kyrie + Zion ain't bad at all either.

in the sport if this thread was all you had to go off of.

Puzzling.

It's also as if there aren't a few very legitimate question marks around Williamson's game at the next level.

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Zion OR Morant OR Barrett for Anthony Davis... the Knicks will continue to suck for the next decade or two... period

This is moronic, davis with kyrie and durant is instant title contender

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Zion OR Morant OR Barrett for Anthony Davis... the Knicks will continue to suck for the next decade or two... period

Lol. Thats funny.

So a combination of AD, KD ,Kyrie with some strategic role players mixed in which could include D.Jordan, Mitchell, Dotson and Trier (all the cheaper contracts to make the $$$ work) is going to suck for the next 5 -6 years?

NBA more than any other sport is star driven. 5 guys on a court at a time. Not 11 and not a separate offense and defense. Not 9 with a DH and a Pitching Staff. And the stars shine most cause most will play both great offense and excellent defense or in a PGs case be a good ball distributor. If we got those guys, 3 of the 5 on the court would be top 10-12 players in the NBA. Even if you dont love Kyrie he is still a star level player. And KD and AD are 2 way elite players.

and a season ago was in the talks of MVP.
Zion and Morant are prospects and no one truly knows if their game will translate to the NBA besides be on the level of AD.

Take the sure thing which is AD

Would be an awful, awful trade. I�d hate to see that.

And maybe handle (neither one has a great handle). Hunter is the superior shooter and defender. His floor is as a very good 3 and D player, and he's got a lot of offensive upside yet that playing UVA's style didn't bring out.

While I freely admit to being a homer, I'd take Hunter over anyone in this draft other than Zion or Morant.

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and a season ago was in the talks of MVP. Zion and Morant are prospects and no one truly knows if their game will translate to the NBA besides be on the level of AD. Take the sure thing which is AD

Not one homegrown player in this scenario.

What about acquiring a top 5 player in the sport in his prime is at all Knicksian?

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who cares?

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how is this same old knicks? you are adding 2 top 5 players and a top 15 player...

you are winning a title next year

I just want the Knicks to compete. If it takes signing the MonStars to do it, I couldn't possibly care less.

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Homegrown talent while nice and sentimental from a fan standpoint is not a requirement for success especially in todays NBA.

I don't give a shit how good Anthony Davis is. If he's not on the court, he doesn't help us.

Again... he's 26 years old and has already had...

A shoulder problem
An elbow problem
Back spasms
An ankle problem
A hip problem

You guys want to ship off one of the best prospects in recent memory so that we can talk about the suit Davis is wearing on the bench because he's hurt because we're obsessed with stuffing as many "top 5" players into the Garden as possible - be my guest.

I think the Knicks would be much better off adding 2 superstars to a younger team with more flexibility.

No one is denying Davis' talent. People are skeptical about his durability.

But I'm ready to win now. Not tomorrow, now.

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And maybe handle (neither one has a great handle). Hunter is the superior shooter and defender. His floor is as a very good 3 and D player, and he's got a lot of offensive upside yet that playing UVA's style didn't bring out. While I freely admit to being a homer, I'd take Hunter over anyone in this draft other than Zion or Morant.

I'm not a fan of either prospect (wouldn't be in my top 5) but the argument would be that Reddish has a higher ceiling. He's a better athlete, despite his poor shooting he has great form and a high/quick release which you hope can eventually become a strength, and as you allude to -- his handle could enable him to develop into a player that can handle the ball and create his own shot.

You are awfully confident about winning a title next year, can you give me specific examples about where this has worked?

-Boston already had Paul Pierce in place
-Miami already had Wade in place
-Warriors drafted their core

We are coming in a 17 win season, but AD, KD & Kyrie will lead to a title in the first year? Talk about idealistic thinking.

It's mortgaging the farm (again) for proven malcontents. If it works no one is complaining. And there's reason it would. Yet if it doesn't, we're SOL 3 years from now. Where keeping Mitch & #1 pick and a couple future #1s at least does not

Also people are undervaluing Mitch & Zion's floors as likely elite defenders. Their value will remain 3 years from now, and we'll still have 1st round picks REGARDLESS of if FAs work out

I'd rather not make an AD trade, tho as always it depends on what's traded. I'm not as high on Morant, but would rather keep the #1. If it's #1 (maybe even Zion), DSJ, Knox and an additional 1 - no more? Sure. If it's that plus Mitch & another 1st or more?

Great thing is outside of the shit-est maxes and the 5th pick, a lot of these outcomes are pretty great. I won't complain if we got Morant KD and another FA, or AD / KD / KI...or my hope KD / KL or KT / Zion and keep our assets

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I don't give a shit how good Anthony Davis is. If he's not on the court, he doesn't help us. Again... he's 26 years old and has already had... A shoulder problem An elbow problem Back spasms An ankle problem A hip problem You guys want to ship off one of the best prospects in recent memory so that we can talk about the suit Davis is wearing on the bench because he's hurt because we're obsessed with stuffing as many "top 5" players into the Garden as possible - be my guest. I think the Knicks would be much better off adding 2 superstars to a younger team with more flexibility. No one is denying Davis' talent. People are skeptical about his durability.

It would be McDyess all over again. I can feel it, taste it, smell it.

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You are awfully confident about winning a title next year, can you give me specific examples about where this has worked? -Boston already had Paul Pierce in place -Miami already had Wade in place -Warriors drafted their core We are coming in a 17 win season, but AD, KD & Kyrie will lead to a title in the first year? Talk about idealistic thinking.

They'd immediately be the Eastern Conference favorites.

But it doesn't go in the hoop very much.

Hunter's does....a lot. 50% career shooter, 42% career on 3s, and he's a much better defender than Reddish, which says something because Reddish is very solid on defense.

Hunter has been a better 3pt shooter at Virginia than either Joe Harris or Malcolm Brogdon were, and those guys have proven to be elite shooters in the NBA.

Or is he just guaranteed to walk into the NBA and kick everyone's ass?

And Hunter shut his ass down in the title game. 5-22 from the floor.

1 month ago � via Twitter WillGuillory
Will Guillory: Alvin Gentry says Anthony Davis will not play tonight vs. Lakers

2 months ago � via Twitter michaelgrange
Michael Grange: AD out tonight for Pelicans due to back spasms, joining Holiday and Moore.

2 months ago � via Twitter WillGuillory
Will Guillory: The Pelicans listed Anthony Davis and E�Twaun Moore as out for tonight�s game in Denver. pic.twitter.com/BC6KATSTRh

3 months ago � via Twitter ScottDKushner
Scott Kushner: Danny Ferry also cleared up the situation on AD leaving the arena early last week, saying the Pelicans� medical staff told Davis to go get an MRI after checking his shoulder.

3 months ago � via Twitter ShamsCharania
Shams Charania: Sources: Anthony Davis has been medically cleared to play from his left index finger fracture, but the New Orleans Pelicans do not intend to play him before Thursday�s trade deadline. Davis is expected to be inactive against the Bulls on Wednesday night.

4 months ago � via Twitter ShamsCharania
Shams Charania: New Orleans Pelicans star Anthony Davis is expected to miss 1-to-2 weeks with a left finger sprain.

5 months ago � via Twitter Jim_Eichenhofer
Jim Eichenhofer: Alvin Gentry on if Anthony Davis (illness) will be able to play tonight vs. Lakers: �I hope so. We�ll know when he gets here (to the arena) and does his pregame routine.�

5 months ago � via Twitter Jim_Eichenhofer
Jim Eichenhofer: Anthony Davis was struck in the hip in a collision with Blake Griffin and walked gingerly to bench. During this timeout, he is headed with trainer to #Pelicans locker room

6 months ago � via Twitter WillGuillory
Will Guillory: Anthony Davis just checked out and headed to the locker room. He was favoring that left arm the last few trips up the court

6 months ago � via Twitter ChrisBHaynes
Chris Haynes: New Orleans forward Anthony Davis (elbow sprain) is being ruled as doubtful for tonight�s matchup at Portland.

1 year ago � via Twitter WillGuillory
Will Guillory: Pelicans have officially ruled Anthony Davis out for tonight�s game with a left ankle sprain

In comment 14443620 Sean said:

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In comment 14443607 arcarsenal said: Quote: I don't give a shit how good Anthony Davis is. If he's not on the court, he doesn't help us. Again... he's 26 years old and has already had... A shoulder problem An elbow problem Back spasms An ankle problem A hip problem You guys want to ship off one of the best prospects in recent memory so that we can talk about the suit Davis is wearing on the bench because he's hurt because we're obsessed with stuffing as many "top 5" players into the Garden as possible - be my guest. I think the Knicks would be much better off adding 2 superstars to a younger team with more flexibility. No one is denying Davis' talent. People are skeptical about his durability. It would be McDyess all over again. I can feel it, taste it, smell it.

C'mon. McDyess had just missed an entire season after knee surgery to repair a ruptured patellar tendon. Meanwhile, AD played 75 games each of the past two years (not including this one since he missed time due to the trade talks when he could've played)

and sat a bunch this year due to his trade request.

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I don't give a shit how good Anthony Davis is. If he's not on the court, he doesn't help us. Again... he's 26 years old and has already had... A shoulder problem An elbow problem Back spasms An ankle problem A hip problem You guys want to ship off one of the best prospects in recent memory so that we can talk about the suit Davis is wearing on the bench because he's hurt because we're obsessed with stuffing as many "top 5" players into the Garden as possible - be my guest. I think the Knicks would be much better off adding 2 superstars to a younger team with more flexibility. No one is denying Davis' talent. People are skeptical about his durability.

Zion is a beast and I get your durability argument. I could go either way on that one. But assuming both Kyrie and KD on the Knicks, we are win now. Zion may need some more jumper development (that may not be year 1) . Not doubt all world talent and ONLY guy Id even remotely consider keeping over bringing in AD.

He does miss games, but he's still among the elite players in the sport and he's 26.

Zion is all hype until he plays an NBA minute. He's not LeBron James coming out of high school.

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Say what you want, but Wiggins was still the #1 overall pick and he was EXTREMELY hyped

gets dinged up but he's never had any major injuries. He's also a fucking freak.

25-12-4-2-2 last year even though he basically mailed it in.

Premiere player at position of desperate need. Make it so!

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In comment 14443607 arcarsenal said: Quote: I don't give a shit how good Anthony Davis is. If he's not on the court, he doesn't help us. Again... he's 26 years old and has already had... A shoulder problem An elbow problem Back spasms An ankle problem A hip problem You guys want to ship off one of the best prospects in recent memory so that we can talk about the suit Davis is wearing on the bench because he's hurt because we're obsessed with stuffing as many "top 5" players into the Garden as possible - be my guest. I think the Knicks would be much better off adding 2 superstars to a younger team with more flexibility. No one is denying Davis' talent. People are skeptical about his durability. It would be McDyess all over again. I can feel it, taste it, smell it.

Sean you don't understand NBA basketball then. Very different dynamic to building a contender vs other sports. Miami (Bosh, Wade, Lebron) and Boston (KG, PP , RA) 2 recent examples. Stars win in this league.

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You are awfully confident about winning a title next year, can you give me specific examples about where this has worked? -Boston already had Paul Pierce in place -Miami already had Wade in place -Warriors drafted their core We are coming in a 17 win season, but AD, KD & Kyrie will lead to a title in the first year? Talk about idealistic thinking.

Boston gutted their team to build their big 3..

Miami got rid of everyone except for the big 3..

warriord had to gut their depth to add kd...

Players would flock to the knicks to ring chase with davis, kyrie and durant..

and you are not getting rid of everyone, you wouldnt trade pick, knox, frank and cap filler for davis? are you kidding me?

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Premiere player at position of desperate need. Make it so!

Or we can just do some science experiment and combine Frank, Mudiay and DSJ

Robby Kalland
@RKalland
There are actual, tangible odds for the NBA Draft Lottery and people are betting the Knicks at +300 when the actual odds we know exist are +714.


Oh please let the lottery be rigged in our favor

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I'm curious what Mudiay brings to this amalgamation? Lots of minutes because of Fiz's love of the player?

I think team building is important. It still factors in. You don't just stack stars on top of eachother and win regardless of how they fit or whether or not you have depth.

A lot of these teams that are winning with stars are also getting contributions from other guys. LeBron had a lot of help from clutch shooting by guys like Miller and Battier when he was in Miami - that made a big difference for him.

I think the Nets are a losing model until they land an actual superstar player, but they're doing a lot of things right otherwise.

People simplify the NBA too much in a way where it's just "add stars, who cares where or how they fit" - but that's not always going to work. It's about how the pieces gel and where the synergy comes from. They need to gel. It's not street ball.

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I think team building is important. It still factors in. You don't just stack stars on top of eachother and win regardless of how they fit or whether or not you have depth. A lot of these teams that are winning with stars are also getting contributions from other guys. LeBron had a lot of help from clutch shooting by guys like Miller and Battier when he was in Miami - that made a big difference for him. I think the Nets are a losing model until they land an actual superstar player, but they're doing a lot of things right otherwise. People simplify the NBA too much in a way where it's just "add stars, who cares where or how they fit" - but that's not always going to work. It's about how the pieces gel and where the synergy comes from. They need to gel. It's not street ball.

your Miami example proves nygiants16's point though. Miller and Battier went to Miami to chase rings as role players. Those guys will be able and willing to join the Knicks if things fall this way.

You got lucky enough to draft a star. Of the full NBA All Star rosters from this past year, the majority were top 10 picks and only a handful went outside the lottery. This isn't baseball, where kids kick around the minors for five or six years before they even sniff the bigs. Yeah you develop role players, but you win by drafting or acquiring elite players. If they draft Zion and he powers them to a top 5 finish in the East, it won't be because their scouting and development are superior, it will because they were lucky.

In comment 14443660 arcarsenal said:

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I think team building is important. It still factors in. You don't just stack stars on top of eachother and win regardless of how they fit or whether or not you have depth. A lot of these teams that are winning with stars are also getting contributions from other guys. LeBron had a lot of help from clutch shooting by guys like Miller and Battier when he was in Miami - that made a big difference for him. I think the Nets are a losing model until they land an actual superstar player, but they're doing a lot of things right otherwise. People simplify the NBA too much in a way where it's just "add stars, who cares where or how they fit" - but that's not always going to work. It's about how the pieces gel and where the synergy comes from. They need to gel. It's not street ball.

We can get all 3 guys and still have a rotation of:

Jordan
AD
Durant
Dotson
Kyrie

Mitch
Trier
Frank
Vet 1
Vet 2

and some of you guys can see it happening.

You're up there in the clouds,spray painting NYK on 747's

In comment 14443657 Anakim said:

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Robby Kalland @RKalland There are actual, tangible odds for the NBA Draft Lottery and people are betting the Knicks at +300 when the actual odds we know exist are +714. Oh please let the lottery be rigged in our favor

Normally I'd say thats fishy, but the NY metro bets more than any other market by far. Lots of Knicks fans adding a little extra stake into tonight.

you have to at least wonder how Zion's 300-pound body will hold up. Basketball players of all shapes and sizes get hurt - it's a brutal sport.

but I kind of expect it at this point.

In comment 14443658 Strahan91 said:

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In comment 14443649 Anakim said: Quote: In comment 14443642 Dave in PA said: Quote: Premiere player at position of desperate need. Make it so! Or we can just do some science experiment and combine Frank, Mudiay and DSJ I'm curious what Mudiay brings to this amalgamation? Lots of minutes because of Fiz's love of the player?

I...ummm. He does that one thing well...no..no. Ummm.

Yeah, we'll go with what you said.

I'd personally just be disappointed if we won this lottery only to turn around and trade the pick for a guy who already has taken a beating in this league and misses time every single season.

Davis is a great player - people are confusing what I'm saying or twisting it to frame this as me saying otherwise. I'm not. I just have concerns about how it'll all piece together and I think the Knicks could conceivably build a better team by simply drafting Zion. There would be more flexibility and a conceivably larger window.

If we go the KD/AD/Kyrie route, we better win a championship within 2-3 years. If we don't, we're probably going to be waiting a while for another shot.

is overwhelming. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Ja Morant is a better player than him from what I've seen. I don't watch as much college basketball as I used to, but I have a couple of friends that do and both are convinced Barrett is going to end up being the better NBA player.

David West gave up 12 million to go play for the warriors...

I mean, I also know people who think Barrett will develop into a better NBA player than Zion, but for every one of those, there are 5 other people (many who are at least reasonably informed) who think this draft is Zion and then a pretty sizable gap before the rest of the rookie field.

I feel like Knicks fans are already trying to convince themselves that Zion won't be that good so that they can ultimately rationalize trading him and other pieces for Davis should we land the top pick.

What if Zion actually is the real deal? It's almost like no one here wants to consider that.. or we're talking about it like it's a major longshot.

is the future star of this draft. Zion's floor is pretty much an 18 and 12 and of course he has a ton of upside because of how athletic he is. Regardless, it is a great year to have a top 3 pick so I can almost guarantee we end up with the 4th.

Thank me later

In comment 14443711 Zeke's Alibi said:

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is the future star of this draft. Zion's floor is pretty much an 18 and 12 and of course he has a ton of upside because of how athletic he is. Regardless, it is a great year to have a top 3 pick so I can almost guarantee we end up with the 4th.

I've been saying the same thing. I'm very on Ja Morant. Has everything you want in a stud point guard, from day 1 he'll be a good facilitator and a problem in transition. Not worried about his shot it'll become respectable. Excellent length for a point guard. Love the small school guys they always come in with a chip on their shoulder and work hard. He's my favorite player in the draft. Cameron Payne, Isaiah Canaan and Ja Morant...Murray State has been an impressive mid major as of late.

and prefer not trading everything for AD (esp given a lot of the arguments apply to both - injury potential for example)

Fundamentally it's the difference between betting big on the next few years and being a legit contender almost for sure vs building the team more organically in parallel to FA, but not mortgaging the years following regardless of how that pans out. That's my preference too

But I totally get AD arguments. I do think he's a more difficult fit than everyone is making out - yet even so KD KI AD is a top 4 team in the East and will def get legit FAs to fill out the roster. Could be worse than this...!

And his ability as a primary ball-handler is going to give him a high ceiling. He�ll replace Russ as the most electric PG.

But Zion is just a special type of player. I see his floor as some sort of freakish Julius Randle/Lance Stephenson combo, that�s still a nice player. His ceiling is Barkley with defense which would be a possible GOAT candidate.

He has played a 82 game schedule and has tasted the playoffs.
If you bring KD and Kyrie you are in win now and for the next 4 years.
AD is ready for that.
Zion might end up a better pro down the road but he will need to develop.

I am Zion fan and if we decide to build in the draft he is a great first piece but unproven

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because they already have a deal in place and dont want knicks fans to get attached to the pick?

you never know.

Also I get people like building through the draft but Davis isnt getting much love here. Im a big Zion fan, but to act like he is some sure fire stud is crazy. He needs to be able to shoot better. His athleticism will def play at the next level but it wont be a man among boys like in college. Again im a huge fan, but AD is one of the top 5 players in this league and up there with Giannis/Kawhi as guys id start my franchise with right now.

Knicks get Zion
Kawhi decides to come here. He�s the top FA out there No doubt I�d rather have him over AD and KD
Sign Klay

Robinson
Zion
Kawhi
Klay
Smith

Great defensive team here
Bench
Knox
DJ
Trier
Dotson

pick please NBA gods! Help this damn franchise!!!

For the Knicks to pick 5th that means 4 teams jumped them, they draw the 1st pick first, then 2nd so the hope would be with the best odds for 1 that their numbers willl pop first...

In comment 14443748 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:

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And his ability as a primary ball-handler is going to give him a high ceiling. He�ll replace Russ as the most electric PG. But Zion is just a special type of player. I see his floor as some sort of freakish Julius Randle/Lance Stephenson combo, that�s still a nice player. His ceiling is Barkley with defense which would be a possible GOAT candidate.

I think his floor is higher than that. I think it's Draymond Green. Add in elite athleticism and youth and I think it's very likely he'll move beyond that baseline and quickly.

Others may have made this point, but wouldn't the Knicks have to essentially trade everyone else to make an AD salary fit along with KD and Kyrie? The Celtics had a Big 3, but they got to keep Rondo, Perkins, Big Baby, and Tony Allen after the sweetheart deal with McHale. The Knicks might not be allowed to do that due to the salaries.

AD is making $27 mil next year and then could leave for LA if he wants. If not, we're paying him like $40 mil per year.

Zion gets the $9 mil rookie contract and we have him under control for 5 years.

Not to mention the other pieces we'd have to trade.

I can't believe this trade is even a consideration. I'm not trading Zion. What the hell had AD won in New Orleans anyway? He's not exactly all alone there. Randle and Holiday are good. Yet the team sucks.

In comment 14443749 larryflower37 said:

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He has played a 82 game schedule and has tasted the playoffs. If you bring KD and Kyrie you are in win now and for the next 4 years. AD is ready for that. Zion might end up a better pro down the road but he will need to develop. I am Zion fan and if we decide to build in the draft he is a great first piece but unproven

Davis/Durant/Kyrie are a trio of injury prone players who have proven to be questionable off the court. Davis brings the least baggage yet he just sat out a half year because he wanted to play with Bron.

It�s a pretty damn nasty trio but there are concerns. Big3 teams are already lacking depth, which makes these guys� injury prone factor more significant.

Zion + depth + flexibility is the way I�d go imo.

Morant Id trade for Davis because of Kyrie/Kemba in FA.

person where it's even a QUESTION is Zion. Ja/Barrett are ball dominant iffy shooters who don't mesh with Kyrie/Durant. Great start for a rebuilding team, bad fits for the Knicks.

If his ceiling is Westbrook or CP3, isn't he another guy who might hit stats but is inefficient and unlikely to win a ring? I mean, he can be Rondo between 2-3 FAs but that's different

Also athleticism - I don't see it. We can name 8-10 similar athletes at guard (DSJ is more explosive for example), if not 8-10+ PGs who will give him trouble on both ends regardless (Teague, Brogdon). Sure he looks fast vs the OVC. (While Zion is a top 20 NBA athlete, conservatively)

He's got elite vision & passing, with a plus handle & great on the break. Otherwise paint finishes are just ok, no J, and decision-making he gets away with at that level. But NBA physicality & D? As you could argue vs Florida St (ACC is close as you get). Imagine him vs the Bucks or Raps day 1? That too w/ a weak motor off the ball & on D. He's another ball dominant player that takes more fitting unless he's your #1-2

I think he'll be good, but see a lot more bust potential than his proponents admit. And years of adjustment even if he hits his ceiling to be an efficient, winning NBA PG

Average Games Played
Durant: 70
Davis: 67
Irving: 63

If that's your Big 3, the rest of your team will be trash. Are you guys really comfortable with that?

think that's true. They can keep Mitch, Dotson, Trier, and add a bunch of vets who are ring chasing. It's not the best bench mob but it's better than what the Warriors have coming off the bench currently.

In comment 14442947 Sean said:

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Agree with this

the rest ehhh.

And some of you guys said you'd throw Mitch in with Zion for Davis which is ridiculous imo.

I'd do anyone but Zion for Davis. But if you get the chance at Zion, keep him imo.

Good Luck either way, the league and the city could use a fun to watch contending Knicks team.

In comment 14442749 Oscar said:

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There is a 48% chance they pick 5th, 86% chance they don�t pick first. It would be incredible luck if they did land #1 overall.

"Incredible" seems like hyperbole to me. It's a 14% chance, not a 1.4% chance. That's about 1/8.

And you know, unlikely things happen all the time. Pitchers hit home runs. It rains in the desert and snows in May.

Everything going chalk tonight is probably among the least-likely outcomes. Something unlikely will almost certainly happen. We just can't guess which unlikely thing or things it will be.

In comment 14443797 81_Great_Dane said:

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In comment 14442749 Oscar said: Quote: There is a 48% chance they pick 5th, 86% chance they don�t pick first. It would be incredible luck if they did land #1 overall. "Incredible" seems like hyperbole to me. It's a 14% chance, not a 1.4% chance. That's about 1/8. And you know, unlikely things happen all the time. Pitchers hit home runs. It rains in the desert and snows in May. Everything going chalk tonight is probably among the least-likely outcomes. Something unlikely will almost certainly happen. We just can't guess which unlikely thing or things it will be.

Great point. The reality is the odds are mathematically stacked against every team getting the #1 pick, when you look at their odds individually. But someone has to pick #1, and the Knicks do have the best odds they possibly could.

In comment 14443789 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:

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Average Games Played Durant: 70 Davis: 67 Irving: 63 If that's your Big 3, the rest of your team will be trash. Are you guys really comfortable with that?

Trash? They dont need to be all stars at that point just role players who do their job well.

Deandre Jordan, Mitchell (likely to stay if we get a top 2 pick), Trier, Dotson, then a couple ring chasing vets,

Miami did they same thing : almost all the cap on their big 3 and it worked pretty darn well.

In comment 14443788 ChaChing said:

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If his ceiling is Westbrook or CP3, isn't he another guy who might hit stats but is inefficient and unlikely to win a ring? I mean, he can be Rondo between 2-3 FAs but that's different Also athleticism - I don't see it. We can name 8-10 similar athletes at guard (DSJ is more explosive for example), if not 8-10+ PGs who will give him trouble on both ends regardless (Teague, Brogdon). Sure he looks fast vs the OVC. (While Zion is a top 20 NBA athlete, conservatively) He's got elite vision & passing, with a plus handle & great on the break. Otherwise paint finishes are just ok, no J, and decision-making he gets away with at that level. But NBA physicality & D? As you could argue vs Florida St (ACC is close as you get). Imagine him vs the Bucks or Raps day 1? That too w/ a weak motor off the ball & on D. He's another ball dominant player that takes more fitting unless he's your #1-2 I think he'll be good, but see a lot more bust potential than his proponents admit. And years of adjustment even if he hits his ceiling to be an efficient, winning NBA PG

If Kyrie comes as a package deal then you deal Morant for AD.


Jordan/Mitchell
AD/Mitchell/KD
KD/Dotson/Ellenson
Dotson/Allen
Kyrie

This is not even considering a couple good ring chaser or two.

That team would win 60-65 games in the east.

In comment 14443789 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:

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Average Games Played Durant: 70 Davis: 67 Irving: 63 If that's your Big 3, the rest of your team will be trash. Are you guys really comfortable with that?

Is this a joke?
Absolutely!
I would keep all 3 under 65 games.
2 of those on the court wins most games.

Trading Zion for AD would be so typical Knicks it hurts.

in a rush to trade Zion for Davis. But I would have no concerns about trading other pieces for Davis and teaming him with KD, and Kyrie - and and then worrying about filling out the roster later on.

Knicksland can stop talking about Zion until he�s approaching free agency for the first time. And we can figure out who we like at #5.

I believe the lottery is actually conducted at 7:30.

holding an introductory press conference for three Hall of Fame players in their primes.

I'm fine with keeping Zion in this hypothetical scenario, but the "typical Knicks" stuff if they decide to trade him is a bit much. They've never been in a position like this before.

In comment 14443877 bceagle05 said:

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holding an introductory press conference for three Hall of Fame players in their primes. I'm fine with keeping Zion in this hypothetical scenario, but the "typical Knicks" stuff if they decide to trade him is a bit much. They've never been in a position like this before.

Just draft Zion & keep him if you have the number 1 pick. Sign KD/Kyrie. Develop Knox, Robinson & company with Zion & you have a nice drafted core in addition to players brought in through FA.

In comment 14443867 Oscar said:

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Knicksland can stop talking about Zion until he�s approaching free agency for the first time. And we can figure out who we like at #5.

Jeezus. You�ve been insufferable this entire thread. We get it. We have a greater chance at 5 than 1. You aren�t some genius passing along groundbreaking info like you seem to think you are. Now, can you allow us to dream for another half hour?

In comment 14443835 Giantz_comeback said:

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If Kyrie comes as a package deal then you deal Morant for AD. Jordan/Mitchell AD/Mitchell/KD KD/Dotson/Ellenson Dotson/Allen Kyrie This is not even considering a couple good ring chaser or two. That team would win 60-65 games in the east.

Agreed. I was just talking about Morant, but as you said w/ KI he's tradeable. Also agreed, JUST KD makes ring chasers a given IMO

I said above it's not just Mitch or Zion for AD, it's either / both PLUS several players & 1sts. You trade that for a ring no doubt, but it's a 3-4 yr window. I'd generally err on the side of no trade with hopes to build a system of scouting & developing vs a big bet now with a hole to dig out at the end

Still hypothetically KK, AT, DSJ, Dot, 2019 pick + a 1st for AD (def for another 1st, maybe even 1 of Mitch or Zion)? You might have to do that of course. So it's still dependent on the pkg, even for a great like AD

I'll be pretty happy if we're staring at KD AD KI, no doubt

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Got through work, ran 5 1/2 miles, dinner & post walk with the wife & daughter.

Now it's time to dial up the old man to discuss some hoops & crack open a couple of Wicked Weed Pernicious IPAs.

LET'S F*CKING GO. COME ON BASKETBALL GODS. WE'RE DUE!

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In comment 14443908 Zeke's Alibi said:

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Would love for the Knicks to get Zion but if I had to choose my Mega Millions ticket is more Than a tad ahead on the wish list.

I wish I could IV some of these IPAs in my veins.

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If I'm Charlotte I'm sending Jordan. That would all but guarantee they beat us...

It would perfectly reconcile the difference between my loves of basketball and reggae. And the Matrix

If we get the 2 or 3 that�s prime trade for AD position.

Of course the 1 and we are through the roof.

Just stay out of 4 or 5

I'm cool with Pels, Mavs, Hawks.

Not cool with Cavs, Suns, Bulls, & Heat.

BREAK THE REMOTE/POSSIBLY LIGHT MYSELF ON FIRE: Lakers.

If we get the #1 we wont trade Zion.

Knicks aren't trading Zion if they get him.

BUT LET'S JUST GET THE FREAKING PICK!

2 or 3 and they likely try to package without Mitch for AD

4 or 5 would probably need to package with Mitch for AD

The results are shocking...Lakers

are going to wind up 5th omg

Nice one NBA,glad I stopped watching most of your games

4

BREATHE.

What a joke.

Zero doubt

If it�s not us please not the fucking Lakers.

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Russillo.

Simmons is an apoplectic as me.

How much more can we cater to Lebum

In comment 14443952 jpkmets said:

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Wowwww...we made the top 4....

I believe the knicks get the second pick.

doesn't that mean we are the heavy favorites to get #1 now?

NBA Finals. Please top 3.

Tell me this is a sick joke?

In comment 14443962 SJGiant said:

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I believe the knicks get the second pick.

Knicks now have the best odds for #1 right?

In comment 14443963 Tesla said:

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doesn't that mean we are the heavy favorites to get #1 now?

Good point... Not sure how it works now

In comment 14443963 Tesla said:

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doesn't that mean we are the heavy favorites to get #1 now?

Yes

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Unquestionably if they get the top pick

In comment 14443966 Big Rick in FL said:

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In comment 14443962 SJGiant said: Quote: I believe the knicks get the second pick. Knicks now have the best odds for #1 right?

Yup

stop drinking/smoking/doing coke/dropping LSD.

I'm done. And so will Twitter.

Don't care I'll take some fixing for the Knicks @ #1!!!

In comment 14443971 Hsilwek92 said:

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In comment 14443966 Big Rick in FL said: Quote: In comment 14443962 SJGiant said: Quote: I believe the knicks get the second pick. Knicks now have the best odds for #1 right? Yup

Its not by much but yeah....55% for top 2, 45% for 3 or 4

break ever

In comment 14443972 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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stop drinking/smoking/doing coke/dropping LSD.

Also therefore a good one to (re)start

NO 6%
Memphis 6%
LA. 2%

if I'm correct

This franchise blows

wow -- Zion to join AD?

Bummer

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The Pelicans get Zion so I think Anthony Davis rescinds his trade request. We get RJ

The Pels win ANOTHER lottery.

in a 2 player draft.

Lovely.

I would have been fine with the 2nd pick, but 3rd is a total kick in the balls

What a disaster for the NBA. Total disaster.

k

New Orleans. What a joke. New lottery fucking blows.

The New York fucking Knicks

Was really hoping he�d end up in Memphis.

When they move to Seattle it would have been insane.

Beats the worst case. But Zion would have been a game changer.

Fuck. You.

The clock is ticking on Zion leaving NO already

Really got excited that was dumb. Pels are lucky they have a filler for AD.

Crazy....Pels get Zion and no longer need AD then Barrett at 3. They said they were interested most in top 3.

Double whammy.

I�ll take RJ or Ja in a heartbeat over what we were gonna get at 4 or 5

But I guess more likely they just ship Conley.

I CALL SHENANIGANS!

the lottery was going to be fixed to give Zion to LeBron James. At least that didn't happen.

Yet posters still fucking swear by it. Give me an example where it�s worked. Fucking brutal.

nobody in LA gives a damn about. And still won't.

In comment 14444000 Giantz_comeback said:

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Crazy....Pels get Zion and no longer need AD then Barrett at 3. They said they were interested most in top 3.

What are you talking about? Why would he leave now? They are going to keep Davis and play him with Zion.

And Pels figure the next best thing is Zion + Barrett.

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And Pels figure the next best thing is Zion + Barrett.

+1

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in a 2 player draft. Lovely. I would have been fine with the 2nd pick, but 3rd is a total kick in the balls What a disaster for the NBA. Total disaster.

You love tanking Mook. This is what you get.

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i mean its not perfect, but i kept saying im not greedy ill take top 3.

Also AD wants out of NO, zion isnt going to change that. He wants a big market or a contender. Zion does not make them a contender day 1. THis actually makes it easier for them to trade him. They would be able to market the hell out of Zion and RJ staying together if they work a deal with the Knicks.

He could be a top scorer but I don't think his game on the other side of the court is good enough

In comment 14444010 bigbluehoya said:

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And Pels figure the next best thing is Zion + Barrett.

Yeah, um, that�s not happening.

Is close enough to Ja that its a 3 player draft.

Rumors were that Pels would be interested in one of the top 3.

Now does Davis rescind his request? Hmmm I still think he wants out. We'll see.

leaving?

it is a 3 player draft, perhaps pelicans want rj barrett to matxh with zion

In comment 14444006 Sean said:

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Yet posters still fucking swear by it. Give me an example where it�s worked. Fucking brutal.

Cleveland

he does not make NO a contender day 1. AD will still want out and they will build around Zion.

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In comment 14444006 Sean said: Quote: Yet posters still fucking swear by it. Give me an example where it�s worked. Fucking brutal. Cleveland

Philadelphia

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leaving?

he is ot staying for a 19 year old kid

Such BS

3rd is 1,000,000 times better than 4th... but 1st is 1,000,000,000,000,000,000.... times better than 3rd...

Knicks never fail to fail

Total bullshit.

or Mavs.

I don't think Zion is enough to entice AD to stay. Now I am more comfortable trading the 3rd for AD. However, if NO now doesn't want to ship off AD, I'm perfectly fine staying with the youth movement. Unfortunately I don't think Barrett has a high ceiling, but hopefully I am wrong.

Davis or not. How long until he wants a trade...

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i mean its not perfect, but i kept saying im not greedy ill take top 3. Also AD wants out of NO, zion isnt going to change that. He wants a big market or a contender. Zion does not make them a contender day 1. THis actually makes it easier for them to trade him. They would be able to market the hell out of Zion and RJ staying together if they work a deal with the Knicks.

RJ Barrett would be a very very big peice for AD and good compliment to Zion. Reuinted in NOLA. I think still a good chance this happens (trading for AD) with us havin the top 3.

Would not be surprised if they trade the pick though.

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I CALL SHENANIGANS!

LOL

And trade us AD....yeah, in my dreams

Kyrie-RJ-KD is a nice trio with Mitch at center

In comment 14444031 jgambrosio said:

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Davis or not. How long until he wants a trade...

Based on what? He didn't seem to mind.

But KD & Kyrie will be Knicks two months from now so this is all gravy.

And 3 of their young players for AD.

In comment 14444042 Stan in LA said:

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And 3 of their young players for AD.

The Knicks still have a much better package then the Lakers.

but none of them change the fact this is a total kick in the balls

Let AD stay in NO.

and the Celtics, Lakers and Cavs not getting top 2 is a relief. So not unhappy. Expected 4 or 5 given their recent lottery luck. I like Barrett. People forget these kids are 19. In the old days he'd stay 2 more years and by then we'd probably be drooling over him.

disaster for the NBA.

And lol at making everyone feel good about the new lottery system with these results. NBA corporate offices have to be sick. A lot of money totally pissed away in the lottery tonight

Maybe the 2 worst NBA markets in the entire league got the top 2 picks, but sure yeah that worked very well.

All this did was start the countdown on Zion and Morant leaving for bigger markets. If Zion/Morant are as good as people think they will be, they will get out of there at first opportunity. I really dont think the NBA could have picked 2 worse markets for those 2 if they tried.

This could not possibly have gone worse for the NBA. It's not all that far from worst case scenario.

Worst scenario possible for him.

its not. I like Morant more then RJ but lets not forget that Ja is a year older and played at Murray State. What kinda numbers could RJ have put up playing at murray state. Now again i like Ja but RJ is a damn good prospect.

that Memphis will take Barrett 2nd?

Sign Durant and Kemba/Kyrie

In comment 14444004 Anakim said:

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I CALL SHENANIGANS!

U were saying they�d pick 5th. 3rd ain�t bad. Get over it

How about you

Gotta love reaction videos. I have a bad one myself.
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In comment 14444040 Anakim said:

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In comment 14444031 jgambrosio said: Quote: Davis or not. How long until he wants a trade... Based on what? He didn't seem to mind.

It was pretty obvious. He was giddy as can be before and embarrassed and laughing about all the compliments. After the draft he had a much more somber demeanor. Night and day.

and acrimony exists between AD and the Pelicans organization

can beat the Lakers package for AD. If he doesn't want to stay, there is a large gap between a guy like Barrett and a guy like Garland.

This isn't a total disaster for the Knicks, 4th or 5th would have been, but still a kick to the nuts.

I like Barrett. Hopefully New Orleans does too.

I don't think Zion is going to make Davis stay in New Orleans.

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that Memphis will take Barrett 2nd?

None. Conley is like 32 or so. They're taking Morant.

In comment 14444042 Stan in LA said:

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And 3 of their young players for AD.

Haha keep on dreaming. The lakers had shit before today and now they just have shit that smells slightly better, but it�s still shit. Knicks can blow the lakers out of the water before even picking up the phone.

Do you send pick no.3, Knox AND Robinson to New Orleans for the Brow...?

I say yes. That's a win-win for both teams.

If anything this helps prop up two franchises that need the help. Location matters less than ever in the NBA, players can be superstars anywhere. Look at Giannis in Milwaukee, or Russ/KD in Oklahoma City. It doesn't matter where you are.

BUT at least we are at 3 instead of 4 or 5 AND Dallas picks out of the top 5 so the pick gors to Atlanta

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disaster for the NBA. And lol at making everyone feel good about the new lottery system with these results. NBA corporate offices have to be sick. A lot of money totally pissed away in the lottery tonight Maybe the 2 worst NBA markets in the entire league got the top 2 picks, but sure yeah that worked very well. All this did was start the countdown on Zion and Morant leaving for bigger markets. If Zion/Morant are as good as people think they will be, they will get out of there at first opportunity. I really dont think the NBA could have picked 2 worse markets for those 2 if they tried. This could not possibly have gone worse for the NBA. It's not all that far from worst case scenario.

Yep. New Orleans is never going to be a viable franchise. The NBA must be sick over this.

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In comment 14444004 Anakim said: Quote: I CALL SHENANIGANS! U were saying they�d pick 5th. 3rd ain�t bad. Get over it

Can't say I know a lot about NBA projections, but I thought Barrett blew for most of the year for Duke. Still, I'd rather have him than Reddish.

I honestly don't think the NBA cares about putting Zion in NY. At least we are not totally screwed like we always are.

I am actually relieved.

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How about you

Stupid iPhone.

What I was saying was, why change the draft rules so drastically? Christ, you want to combat tanking, put in a rule that says you�re exempt from the #1 pick if you had that pick the year prior. Decide to suck on purpose again? You can pick no higher than 5. And so on.

Zion ended up in NY, LA, or Chicago.

No one in Louisiana gives a damn about basketball. That's a Tigers-Saints state.

In comment 14444031 jgambrosio said:

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Davis or not. How long until he wants a trade...

OK. #3 + Mitch.

Is a fine core, even with Kemba instead of Kyrie. Just gotta focus on FA now.

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In comment 14444063 90.Cal said:

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Do you send pick no.3, Knox AND Robinson to New Orleans for the Brow...? I say yes. That's a win-win for both teams.

Yeah absolutely. If they want Ntikilina & Dennis Smith you send them also.

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can beat the Lakers package for AD. If he doesn't want to stay, there is a large gap between a guy like Barrett and a guy like Garland. This isn't a total disaster for the Knicks, 4th or 5th would have been, but still a kick to the nuts. I like Barrett. Hopefully New Orleans does too. I don't think Zion is going to make Davis stay in New Orleans.

They still have a chance to trade for AD but they have to know that KD and one of Kemba or Kyrie is going to the Knicks for that to happen

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but none of them change the fact this is a total kick in the balls

How? It�s called a lotto. Anything can happen. We could have slid further down. We didn�t get lucky tonight but it could have been worse. And if this was last year likely the same outcome even with the changes.

Some of you actually expected the first pick? The fuck is wrong with you. You were just asking to be disappointed since the odds were against it. The odds basically said 3 and that�s what happened.

In comment 14444042 Stan in LA said:

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And 3 of their young players for AD.

Bullshit.
As big as the drop off from 2-3 is (Morant to Barrett), the drop from 3 (Barrett) to 4, is enormous.

if he still wants out.

it was incredibly obvious that Zion wasn't happy.

He seemed giddy going into the commercial with the Knicks and Lakers in top 4, then when Knicks came at 3rd everything seemed forced and fake.

Everyone thought Zion was going to go to Clemson and stay home when he committed to Duke. He will do the exact same thing and go for the big city (duke) when he's a free agent.

Anyone who says this was what the NBA wanted with the lottery is totally clueless. If you gave Adam Silver a list of worst possible scenario for picks 1 and 2 the worst would have been Memphis 1 and New Orleans 2. So this is pretty close to worst case scenario.

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it is a 3 player draft, perhaps pelicans want rj barrett to matxh with zion

Plus, the two Dallas draft picks and two players like DSJR and MR.

Robinson
Zion
Barret
SG
DSJR

That could be a team that competes for a championship for may years.

Nothing more. A poor man's Melo.

In comment 14444084 MookGiants said:

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it was incredibly obvious that Zion wasn't happy. He seemed giddy going into the commercial with the Knicks and Lakers in top 4, then when Knicks came at 3rd everything seemed forced and fake. Everyone thought Zion was going to go to Clemson and stay home when he committed to Duke. He will do the exact same thing and go for the big city (duke) when he's a free agent. Anyone who says this was what the NBA wanted with the lottery is totally clueless. If you gave Adam Silver a list of worst possible scenario for picks 1 and 2 the worst would have been Memphis 1 and New Orleans 2. So this is pretty close to worst case scenario.

Yup, Zion was desperate to either be on the Knicks or Lakers

In comment 14444078 djm said:

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In comment 14444044 mfsd said: Quote: but none of them change the fact this is a total kick in the balls How? It�s called a lotto. Anything can happen. We could have slid further down. We didn�t get lucky tonight but it could have been worse. And if this was last year likely the same outcome even with the changes. Some of you actually expected the first pick? The fuck is wrong with you. You were just asking to be disappointed since the odds were against it. The odds basically said 3 and that�s what happened.

Oh get off your high horse. I didn�t expect a thing. Knicks fans hoping for the first pick are disappointed about picking 3rd. It�s called being a fan.

As I said, #3 is plenty valuable. Doesn�t mean it isn�t a bummer we didn�t get 1.

Assuming your a Knicks fan, you wouldn�t agree?

Keep the pick and keep building. Don't trust AD in terms of injuries. How do he and Duran actually fit? I know KD is not a done deal. But AD is a free agent next year. Don't do this again. As for 3... It's OK. They actuly had a better chance of getting the 4 or 5 than any of the first 3.

But hey it wasn't the #5.

Let's now try to get AD.

is if Zion likes the idea of continuing with Barrett.

Zion could in a sense force New Orleans to work with the Knicks around the number 3 pick.

As unhappy as he could be about New Orleans, Barrett going with him would probably help.

#3 + Mitch for AD. Knicks get a huge piece and Pels front court is set.

Knicks then sign Durant and a point guard.

He can be the number three guy on a champoioship team.

get away without trading Robinson.

What place would Barrett have on the team.

That Zion could go back to Duke as he hasn't hired an agent

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Keep the pick and keep building. Don't trust AD in terms of injuries. How do he and Duran actually fit? I know KD is not a done deal. But AD is a free agent next year. Don't do this again. As for 3... It's OK. They actuly had a better chance of getting the 4 or 5 than any of the first 3.

Having AD, greatly ncreases the chances of KD and other good free agents coming to MSG.

Lakers offer for AD just got much stronger. Logical best trade partner now.

Cleveland and Phoenix got hammered here. Do have to wonder how this impacts tanking moving forward (the playoffs should impact that as well, I would think).

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That Zion could go back to Duke as he hasn't hired an agent

LOL. That'd break Twitter, Skip Bayless would pop a blood vessel, & ESPN would go 365-24-7 Zion.

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That Zion could go back to Duke as he hasn't hired an agent

LOL. That would be epic.

logical trade partner?

I don�t see how people really thought the Knicks would get the 1st pick. It was a long shot. And like said above, the gap between 3 and 4 is huge and the Knicks are lucky they didn�t get 5. Think how Some of the other crap teams must feel now. Btw, I dont think Morant is a no brainer pick at 2 and even if he goes at 2, if the Knicks get Kylie, Barrett is a better choice anyway. Barrett is 18 years old and has played a years against the best college players and plays defense. That�s not a bad consolation prize.

Come on, he's not doing that.

The Knicks still hold the better pick.

Was asked if this changes the situation with AD. He responded with "not a lot"

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That Zion could go back to Duke as he hasn't hired an agent

That would actually be bad for the Knicks. That means that Morant would go 1st and Barrett 2nd. The Knicks would be fucked then. It is almost certain that Durant will sign here and so will Irving so there is no way the Knicks will be picking in the lottery next year if Zion goes back to Duke for a year anyway.

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What place would Barrett have on the team.

He can play the 2 and leave Knox at the 3.

especially if NYK gets FAs as expected. Decent handle to help run O off the bench and push the break. And a good foundation to build from - shot is ok but can improve, likely can get bigger. Rebounds well, seems to handle physicality, and is a solid decision-maker for a freshman too. Then the team can build organically from there given all picks in hand

Of course it could be Morant - not my first choice but still solid if we don't pick up a PG. Huge upside for sure

After all that if there's an AD trade I'm a heck of a lot more behind it now, for the right pkg of course

He could be a bust because his shot is still a question mark, but he had a very saavy style to his game as a frosh and projects as a two way player.

He might be Ingram level, probably the easiest comp. Definitely not as sold on him as the top 2.

In comment 14444089 mfsd said:

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In comment 14444078 djm said: Quote: In comment 14444044 mfsd said: Quote: but none of them change the fact this is a total kick in the balls How? It�s called a lotto. Anything can happen. We could have slid further down. We didn�t get lucky tonight but it could have been worse. And if this was last year likely the same outcome even with the changes. Some of you actually expected the first pick? The fuck is wrong with you. You were just asking to be disappointed since the odds were against it. The odds basically said 3 and that�s what happened. Oh get off your high horse. I didn�t expect a thing. Knicks fans hoping for the first pick are disappointed about picking 3rd. It�s called being a fan. As I said, #3 is plenty valuable. Doesn�t mean it isn�t a bummer we didn�t get 1. Assuming your a Knicks fan, you wouldn�t agree?

Of course I was disappointed but some are going bananas and acting almost surprised. And the usual doom and gloom woe is us talk. It�s Just old that�s all.

In comment 14444114 Jay on the Island said:

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In comment 14444099 Big Rick in FL said: Quote: That Zion could go back to Duke as he hasn't hired an agent That would actually be bad for the Knicks. That means that Morant would go 1st and Barrett 2nd. The Knicks would be fucked then. It is almost certain that Durant will sign here and so will Irving so there is no way the Knicks will be picking in the lottery next year if Zion goes back to Duke for a year anyway.

Eh, I'd be happy with Garland. I may even prefer Garland to Barrett.

Here is my offer and if they say no I am fine not trading for AD:

Knox or Barrett
Smith Jr.
Trier or Dotson
Dallas unprotected and knicks 2020 and 2022 1st rounders. No one can beat that offer.

Knicks first rounders should be in the 20�s moving forward and they have bobcats 2nd rounders in 2020 and 2021. Those could up being mid 30�s picks.

I want to keep Robinson and Frank and either Dotson or trier.

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The Knicks still hold the better pick.

In what the Pels apparently feel is a 3 player draft

In comment 14444118 djm said:

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In comment 14444089 mfsd said: Quote: In comment 14444078 djm said: Quote: In comment 14444044 mfsd said: Quote: but none of them change the fact this is a total kick in the balls How? It�s called a lotto. Anything can happen. We could have slid further down. We didn�t get lucky tonight but it could have been worse. And if this was last year likely the same outcome even with the changes. Some of you actually expected the first pick? The fuck is wrong with you. You were just asking to be disappointed since the odds were against it. The odds basically said 3 and that�s what happened. Oh get off your high horse. I didn�t expect a thing. Knicks fans hoping for the first pick are disappointed about picking 3rd. It�s called being a fan. As I said, #3 is plenty valuable. Doesn�t mean it isn�t a bummer we didn�t get 1. Assuming your a Knicks fan, you wouldn�t agree? Of course I was disappointed but some are going bananas and acting almost surprised. And the usual doom and gloom woe is us talk. It�s Just old that�s all.

No surprise from me, at this point I expect the Knicks to lose at everything. Just let myself get my hopes up.

As others have said, the gap between 3 and 4 is huge this year, that�s a big win in the end.

He'll have to be ball-dominant to be effective and if the Knicks did sign Durant, that ain't happening.

But Simmons & Rusillo said he didn't seem, uh, thrilled.

Can someone confirm this?

you get a solid defender on day 1. That constantly goes unmentioned for some reason, but his 1-on-1 D, help etc is already very very good. Huge if you get KD / KI for sure

Than any freshman in ACC history?

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But Simmons & Rusillo said he didn't seem, uh, thrilled. Can someone confirm this?

Even so, what's he going to do? Demand a trade? They're not gonna grant it to him. Shit, Steph Curry didn't want to go to Golden State, but they still took him...in front of us...and he learned to love it.

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Thanks I sent it to my two Knick fan sons. Scattered somewhere in America.

Taking Ja. Isn�t Conley their best player?

Imagine having Lakers and Knicks and top 4 with Memphis and New Orleans. Going into the night knicks and lakers were probably his #1 and #2 if can pick and memphis and NOLa were prob the 2 least desired.

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you get a solid defender on day 1. That constantly goes unmentioned for some reason, but his 1-on-1 D, help etc is already very very good. Huge if you get KD / KI for sure

Which is why Culver or Hunter probably fit the Knicks better if KD/KI come to town, because they're both better defenders than Barrett. Barrett is solid on D, Culver and Hunter are elite.

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Taking Ja. Isn�t Conley their best player?

Conley deserves to go to a contender. One of the most under appreciated players over the last 10ish years.

I know they�re hyping his mentorship but they should trade him.

Memphis has almost traded Conley each of the last three seasons. He isn�t stopping them from Morant if he ends up higher on their board.

but we have a lot of poor shooters on this team already. He can help us, but I'd be shopping this pick pretty hard if I'm the Knicks.

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Than any freshman in ACC history?

Rather inefficiently

& Grizz have been shopping him forever.

I'd be shocked if they passed on Morant.

In comment 14444135 Carl in CT said:

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Taking Ja. Isn�t Conley their best player?

He's also 32 and they've been shopping him

�The players that will bring the Knicks their next championship haven�t been born yet.�

I remember RJ had like 20+ points against 'Cute, but he missed like 30 shots. Haha

Will trade Conley this offseason. I can see pacers being a good landing spot.

In comment 14444124 mfsd said:

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In comment 14444118 djm said: Quote: In comment 14444089 mfsd said: Quote: In comment 14444078 djm said: Quote: In comment 14444044 mfsd said: Quote: but none of them change the fact this is a total kick in the balls How? It�s called a lotto. Anything can happen. We could have slid further down. We didn�t get lucky tonight but it could have been worse. And if this was last year likely the same outcome even with the changes. Some of you actually expected the first pick? The fuck is wrong with you. You were just asking to be disappointed since the odds were against it. The odds basically said 3 and that�s what happened. Oh get off your high horse. I didn�t expect a thing. Knicks fans hoping for the first pick are disappointed about picking 3rd. It�s called being a fan. As I said, #3 is plenty valuable. Doesn�t mean it isn�t a bummer we didn�t get 1. Assuming your a Knicks fan, you wouldn�t agree? Of course I was disappointed but some are going bananas and acting almost surprised. And the usual doom and gloom woe is us talk. It�s Just old that�s all. No surprise from me, at this point I expect the Knicks to lose at everything. Just let myself get my hopes up. As others have said, the gap between 3 and 4 is huge this year, that�s a big win in the end.

Thats the key here. We got into the top 3 in basically a 3 player draft. The drop from 3 to 4 is pretty sizeable.

Barrett starting with KD and Kyrie is a strong line up. Or traded for AD.

Zion may not have wanted NO but.... for a chance to be reuinted with Barrett and Conley at PG? That's not a bad top 3.

for Conley.

Kyrie doesn't seem such a bad fit now.

Let's talk about Barrett for a second. I don't think he's even as athletic as a young Melo. Definitely crafty, and polished as a frosh, but that's also a knock when it comes to projecting him. He's more 6-6 than 6-8, so that makes him more of a SG, especially with KD potentially and Knox on the roster. He needs to tighten up his handle and improve his shot for sure, but time is on his side.

At least we didn't totally flame out like the Suns and Cavs.

onTwitter. Dude is unhinged.

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Memphis has almost traded Conley each of the last three seasons. He isn�t stopping them from Morant if he ends up higher on their board.

Memphis has been rumored to believe this is a 3 person draft.

I think Barrett goes to them for AD. The key will be if we can keep Mitch out of the deal.

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Than any freshman in ACC history?

People saying Barrett can't shoot have no idea what they are talking about, either because they are biased and curmugdeonly (yes, that's you Greg) or just have not watched.

Barrett IS a shooter. 22 ppg as a freshman. Can score inside, midrange and outside. If you want to say he is Carmelo, that's fair enough but I would take a nineteen year old Carmelo as the third guy alongside KD and Kyrie.

Going to be an unpopular opinion. Could definitely envision a scenario where even if the Knicks held it, Barrett isn�t the pick. He�s been polarizing. A lot to fall in love with, but also some things to run from. I would probably go in a different direction if I was the Knicks.

He's good around the rim, which made his overall shooting percentage acceptable, but he's a lousy outside shooter.

Fans love tanking, but it�s a shit way to build a team.

Against:

Kentucky: 13-26

Eastern Michigan: 8-21

San Diego State: 5-14

Auburn: 7-20

Gonzaga: 9-25

Texas Tech: 7-22

Clemson: 5-22

Syracuse the first time around: 8-30

Louisville: 4-14

North Carolina: 10-27 and then 5-15

He did do well against Greg's Virginia Wahoos - 11-19


But some of those stats are like recent Carmelo bad...

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Shams tweeted the following:

The New Orleans Pelicans are now set up to be Zion Williamson�s franchise to lift, and No. 1 pick could ease potential trade of Anthony Davis. His stance on a trade has not changed, league sources tell @TheAthleticNBA @Stadium.

6:20 PM - 14 May 2019

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1128470257339908101

second call is to the wizards and talk about beal..

In comment 14444155 Jim in Hoboken said:

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Kyrie doesn't seem such a bad fit now. Let's talk about Barrett for a second. I don't think he's even as athletic as a young Melo. Definitely crafty, and polished as a frosh, but that's also a knock when it comes to projecting him. He's more 6-6 than 6-8, so that makes him more of a SG, especially with KD potentially and Knox on the roster. He needs to tighten up his handle and improve his shot for sure, but time is on his side. At least we didn't totally flame out like the Suns and Cavs.

Dont forget how important this is: Barrett can play D. If he's a bit better than Knox offensively but can play good D thats a very good player.

Because Kemba is the better player imho. I would take Kemba over Kyrie at this stage 10 out of 10 times.

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He'll have to be ball-dominant to be effective and if the Knicks did sign Durant, that ain't happening.

I�m not a huge fan but Barrett�s ability to get to the hole and finish is impressive. He has great footwork and a nice touch at the rim. He can also dribble and pass well for his size and age.

His outside shooting will obviously be the key and what brings his game together but I was impressed by his finishing.

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I like barrett but this is exactly rught, he is guy that needs the ball, he is james harden without the 3 point shot yet..

he could give you 10 assists 1 night next nigyt 2 assists

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Shams tweeted the following: The New Orleans Pelicans are now set up to be Zion Williamson�s franchise to lift, and No. 1 pick could ease potential trade of Anthony Davis. His stance on a trade has not changed, league sources tell @TheAthleticNBA @Stadium. 6:20 PM - 14 May 2019 https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1128470257339908101

Barrett is a pretty good fit on that team. This has a legit chance of happening.

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Because Kemba is the better player imho. I would take Kemba over Kyrie at this stage 10 out of 10 times.

No, it is because him and KD are close. If you want KD then you don't tell him who tge second guy is. KD chooses otherwise he doesn't come. That is the thought process. I go with whoever KD wants. With that said, if it were up to me then I go Kemba too.

In comment 14444170 dpinzow said:

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Shams tweeted the following: The New Orleans Pelicans are now set up to be Zion Williamson�s franchise to lift, and No. 1 pick could ease potential trade of Anthony Davis. His stance on a trade has not changed, league sources tell @TheAthleticNBA @Stadium. 6:20 PM - 14 May 2019 https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1128470257339908101

I wish I knew how to post GIFs/was somewhat sober so I could post that photo of Dr. Evil asking Scott for a hug.

Know nothing about college bball this year outside the top 3. Is he worth the risk assuming Durant Kyrie?

In comment 14444138 Greg from LI said:

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In comment 14444131 ChaChing said: Quote: you get a solid defender on day 1. That constantly goes unmentioned for some reason, but his 1-on-1 D, help etc is already very very good. Huge if you get KD / KI for sure Which is why Culver or Hunter probably fit the Knicks better if KD/KI come to town, because they're both better defenders than Barrett. Barrett is solid on D, Culver and Hunter are elite.

Sure, they might be better on D. But Barrett is much better ball in hand, be it running an O or a break. So that plus the D is likely why he's consistently the higher prospect. I can also see Barrett having more immediate value & a better fit on day 1 w/ the FAs because of that balance - b4 those 2 as much as I like them. Even tho all are close and any could be the best of the group in a few years

This Draft Lottery is horseshit!

Barrett, Robinson and picks?

Barrett, DSJ (which would allow them to trade Connely if they want to), Knox, Frank (for cap purposes) and a Dal FRP, and Knick future first round pick.

showing LeBron's live shoutout to Zion on instagram right now.

I feel bad for the Pelicans, so that eases the sting of not getting Zion. As a Knicks fan, though, I always knew we weren't getting the first.

DSJ, Frank, Knox, Trier, and 2 #1's for AD. Gotta hold onto Mitch somehow.

He has tremendous talents and can improve where he needs to. Btw, somebody compared him to Melo. When in Melo�s entire career, did he play defense? That�s a crazy comparison

Thank you, Shams.

It no sure WAS would move him. They should but they are a weird franchise. HE would be a great fit with KD and Kyrie as long as he is ok assuming the klay role.

In comment 14444189 Greg from LI said:

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Barrett, Robinson and picks?

No we need to dump every higher salary to get him if we bring in 2 maxes in KD and Kyrie.

They aren't putting all three of them on the floor together.

3rd pick, Knox, frank, mavs pick. I�d still want to keep Mitch. I don�t think we have to include him to have the best offer.

In comment 14444192 Jim in Hoboken said:

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showing LeBron's live shoutout to Zion on instagram right now. I feel bad for the Pelicans, so that eases the sting of not getting Zion. As a Knicks fan, though, I always knew we weren't getting the first. DSJ, Frank, Knox, Trier, and 2 #1's for AD. Gotta hold onto Mitch somehow.

I think we can hold on to Mitch. The offer can be very strong without including him.

In comment 14444183 robbieballs2003 said:

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In comment 14444175 KJG5173 said: Quote: Because Kemba is the better player imho. I would take Kemba over Kyrie at this stage 10 out of 10 times. No, it is because him and KD are close. If you want KD then you don't tell him who tge second guy is. KD chooses otherwise he doesn't come. That is the thought process. I go with whoever KD wants. With that said, if it were up to me then I go Kemba too.

I could not agree more. If KD wants to pick who comes with him he gets to do that. But if he leaves it up to the team it should be Kemba. And hopefully he could be talked into that too.

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showing LeBron's live shoutout to Zion on instagram right now. I feel bad for the Pelicans

Why? They had 7 years to put a contender together around Davis. How long should he wait around for them to get good enough to win?

KD plays plenty of 3 in gsw and Davis plays the 4 just fine.

all are. They think he's an injury waiting to happen (I believe he said Mitch has a bum knee) and feel that there isn't much between the ears and doesn't take to coaching well.


Don't shoot the messenger. Just reporting what I heard.

Agree with where Greg�s going. I would think really hard about Hunter if I�m keeping the pick. Culver would be in consideration as well, but not sure he�ll be as successful off ball (also still bothered by his decline in 3pt shooting this year).

In comment 14444189 Greg from LI said:

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Barrett, Robinson and picks?

Robinson is not going anywhere.

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They aren't putting all three of them on the floor together.

Robinson can play the 5 or back up 4 depending on matchups. He'd get plenty of minutes and adds a phenomenal defensive dynamic and offensive board clean up option for the volume shooters.

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Marc J. Spears
@MarcJSpearsESPN
Zion Williamson was QUICKLY whisked out of the room after Pelicans were announced the winner of the draft lottery. Source said the former Duke star was rooting to go to New York, but now is going to New Orleans.

In comment 14444207 Anakim said:

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all are. They think he's an injury waiting to happen (I believe he said Mitch has a bum knee) and feel that there isn't much between the ears and doesn't take to coaching well. Don't shoot the messenger. Just reporting what I heard.

That would be crazy if true. Still want to keep him. He changes the game defensively at minumum.

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all are. They think he's an injury waiting to happen (I believe he said Mitch has a bum knee) and feel that there isn't much between the ears and doesn't take to coaching well. Don't shoot the messenger. Just reporting what I heard.

Wouldn't surprise me. They only got Mitch in the first place because he's kind of a flake. His whole WKU saga was weird.

And I�d be prepared to tac on a Mavs pick or Knox if I got into a bidding war with Celts or Lakers.

Presumably, the Knicks should be helped out by being able to ship Zions college teammate to Nola with him. The Pels will want to see Zion happy.

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They aren't putting all three of them on the floor together.

He could still get to 20 mins easily coming off the bench. And Davis has never been durable. Or you use him in another deal down the road. You don't just toss him into a trade this summer because he may or may not be a perfect fit with any potential free agents.

Obviously Mitch shouldn't be the reason we don't get AD, but I think we can get it done without including him. Even if he busts, it wouldn't be some immense mistake. I certainly wouldn't insist on keeping someone like DSJ or Knox over Mitch.

You should drive Mitchell Robinson to the airport if he was truly the barrier between the Knicks and AD (he�s not).

But that does suck for Zion.

Disappointed Zion isn�t headed to MSG. Going to the Pelicans is not good for the league.

I love what Mitch did this year but I�m not letting him hold up a Davis deal. Let�s not overrate a very promising rookie for a top 5 nba player who�s 26 years old. Do everything possible to pair Davis and Durant and figure out the rest.

the 3rd pick, & whoever they want.

If AD really wants out...

hate that Zion ended up in NOLA. Worst market in the league, constant talk about them relocating. Zion won't even change that. They had AD for 7 years & it's still a joke of a market.

I'm assuming those guys aren't going to get it done. If NO is dealing their dominant interior defender, you don't think they're going to insist on getting a potentially dominant defender back?

They could suck with this Porzingis drama and supposedly that could be the first draft the NBA gets rid of the one amd done with draftable players. That draft could be loaded. I'd much rather give up DSJ.

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Obviously Mitch shouldn't be the reason we don't get AD, but I think we can get it done without including him. Even if he busts, it wouldn't be some immense mistake. I certainly wouldn't insist on keeping someone like DSJ or Knox over Mitch.

AD was the focal point and that can add to injury and wear. With KD and Kyrie its a very different dynamic for him. Mitchell and DeAndre add some toughness and shotblocking to take more burden off him.

DSJ Knox and Frank all have to go to make this work salary cap wise. We can only keep the cheapests guys: Dotson, Allen, Mitchell and possibly Trier. Then MLE I think (Jordan?), then vet minumum contracts can go over cap.

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I'm assuming those guys aren't going to get it done. If NO is dealing their dominant interior defender, you don't think they're going to insist on getting a potentially dominant defender back?

DSJ has some value and so does Knox. Barrett they apparently like. Then you throw in a Dallas pick and another Knick FRP.

Thats plenty.

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He has tremendous talents and can improve where he needs to. Btw, somebody compared him to Melo. When in Melo�s entire career, did he play defense? That�s a crazy comparison

He�s way more athletic than Melo. Not the same scorer, but a much better playmaker and defender. It�s not given Morant is going #2, btw.

Seattle deserves a team...

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They could suck with this Porzingis drama and supposedly that could be the first draft the NBA gets rid of the one amd done with draftable players. That draft could be loaded. I'd much rather give up DSJ.

I think the more important point is we have plenty of valuable trade chips at this point to make the best offer for AD.

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Seattle deserves a team...

God, I hope Seattle gets an NBA team again. That's a basketball crazed city. I really miss the Sonics.

and then relocate to Seattle.

trading for Barrett might be appealing for the pelkcans, they can pair him with one of his good friends

agree with what others have said about Barrett. He's a finisher and an exciting playmaker, but not a shooter. He got hot from three against UVA one game, but then so did the whole Duke team. This is going to be an interesting off season.

Get the first 2 picks.
While the Knicks and Lakers are right behind them.
Flip that and the basketball world is going crazy right now.
Zion and Ja are crying right now.

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And I�d be prepared to tac on a Mavs pick or Knox if I got into a bidding war with Celts or Lakers. Presumably, the Knicks should be helped out by being able to ship Zions college teammate to Nola with him. The Pels will want to see Zion happy.

Exactly. They have to keep Zion happy because previous star players (CP3, AD) soured on New Orleans quickly...

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Seattle deserves a team...

There's that theory that Durant would go to Clippers with the belief that they would relocate to Seattle because Durant loved his time in Seattle.

2021 and 2023 correct?

- Love the city of New Orleans but it�s not an nba town. Last 2 franchise players have asked out. Just as an NBA fan, not happy Zion is headed there.

- Lakers made out big in the lottery. Puts them in the market for Davis and other potential top trade targets. I�d be shocked if they kept the pick.

- Id expect Davis, Beal, Conley and possibly Holiday to get traded this season. 4 big time players that could be had via trade.

- Knicks have some serious assets to move. Probably in this order- 2019 pick, unprotected 2021 Dallas pick, Robinson, Knox and DSJ. Will they move all 5 to get Davis? I�d love to keep the Dallas pick or Robinson. Is the Lakers package better?

- This new lottery system has to dissuade tanking.

- This offseason is going to be insane.

Ballmer's ties to Seattle due to Microsoft.

I think it's more likely Seattle gets an expansion team or a team like the Pels relocate there.

to move a team from LA to Seattle.

In comment 14444252 TyreeHelmet said:

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- Love the city of New Orleans but it�s not an nba town. Last 2 franchise players have asked out. Just as an NBA fan, not happy Zion is headed there. - Lakers made out big in the lottery. Puts them in the market for Davis and other potential top trade targets. I�d be shocked if they kept the pick. - Id expect Davis, Beal, Conley and possibly Holiday to get traded this season. 4 big time players that could be had via trade. - Knicks have some serious assets to move. Probably in this order- 2019 pick, unprotected 2021 Dallas pick, Robinson, Knox and DSJ. Will they move all 5 to get Davis? I�d love to keep the Dallas pick or Robinson. Is the Lakers package better? - This new lottery system has to dissuade tanking. - This offseason is going to be insane.

With Bron Bron aging, 4 years older than Durant. AD may prefer us as his ideal destination.

Lakers could offer #4 , Ingram, Kuzma and future pick

We can offer #3, DSJ, Knox, Frank , 21 Dal FRP, and maybe even 2020 FRP

Adding Mitch puts us over the top definitively. But without Mitch still a strong offer.

If including Tatum, Brown, picks.

And strip the Knicks of all their young players and picks. I keep reading that the Knicks should trade #3 pick, Robinson, Knox, DSJ and one or both of Dallas� picks for AD. Leaving out of the equation Durant, as he could go anywhere and you are trading a ton of assets for a guy who has been injury prone his entire career, and is in his walk year.

If you could get him for Robinson, Knox and a future first, great but anything more is overreaching.

And don�t sell the third pick short. Both Morant and RJ, the minute they are drafted probably become the Knicks best player and highest upside of anyone on the Knicks� roster.

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If including Tatum, Brown, picks.

AD has supposedly said he won�t resign with Boston. And I also think Tatum and Brown are insanely overrated. And Kyrie going back to Boston is very hard to vision at this point. He seemed like he was halfway out the door and Boston players don�t seem thrilled with him either.

I think AD to Boston has almost zero chance of happening. They likely aren�t in the discussion

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And strip the Knicks of all their young players and picks. I keep reading that the Knicks should trade #3 pick, Robinson, Knox, DSJ and one or both of Dallas� picks for AD. Leaving out of the equation Durant, as he could go anywhere and you are trading a ton of assets for a guy who has been injury prone his entire career, and is in his walk year. If you could get him for Robinson, Knox and a future first, great but anything more is overreaching. And don�t sell the third pick short. Both Morant and RJ, the minute they are drafted probably become the Knicks best player and highest upside of anyone on the Knicks� roster.

Great post. This franchise needs to stop repeating mistakes.

Knox, Smith and Frank all struggle beyond the arc, as does Barrett and of course Mitch. Dotson's pretty good, but not great. Trier's percentages were good overall, but he runs a little hot and cold. Skill sets of some of these guys are a little redundant.

Knicks can offer up to 5 1st round picks, plus young players if they really want to go all in..

this years pick, 2020 knicks, 2021 dallas, 2022 knicks, 2023 dallas..

That is a lot of youth for the pelicans to surround zion and rj...

If you want to go all in

Wonder if Griffin holds onto AD and sees if Zion is a transformative player who could sway him. Trade him in February if it doesn�t work out.

Seems somewhat plausible.

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Wonder if Griffin holds onto AD and sees if Zion is a transformative player who could sway him. Trade him in February if it doesn�t work out. Seems somewhat plausible.

Lose a lot more value if you wait until deadline

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- This new lottery system has to dissuade tanking.

I�d argue the reverse is true.

You look at the bad teams like the Knicks or Cavs - yeah they probably could have won a few more games if the organization put the full focus on winning every game. But no matter what they were going to be bad and in the lottery. Just a matter of where.

On the other hand, the back end of the lottery now has much better odds at a top 4 pick. So when you�re looking at fighting to get that 8 or 7 seed, how incentivized are you to win when you�re likely knocked out in the first round? You think the Lakers wish they could have gotten the 8 seed this year?

Huge upside if Davis decides he wants to play with Zion, no? Not clear how much value he loses.

Risky move though. May be a worthwhile gamble.

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Huge upside if Davis decides he wants to play with Zion, no? Not clear how much value he loses. Risky move though. May be a worthwhile gamble.

they can get a lot more in the iffseason then at the deadline...

No team is going to give up a lot for a few month rental, for a 1 year rental you may get a team to take a chance or the knicks or cavs blow you away...

at the deadline knicks and cavs may say ehh we will wait..

still wants out.

Any NBA precedence for Zion to pull an Eli??

AD still wanting out doesn�t preclude him from playing.

couple of months for the NBA.

7/1 can't come soon enough.

but I was under the impression that if the Knicks wanted KD, Kyrie and AD together that they would have to wait to trade for AD until after they signed KD and Kyrie. If this is the case I assume it would put the Knicks at a disadvantage if the Pelicans wanted to trade AD before or during the draft. I hope that the Pelicans continue to be patient.

I agree that at this point, if KD and Kyrie do sign with the Knicks, that the smartest move would be to trade for AD. In a perfect world, if they were able to trade for AD without Robinson or the unprotected Dallas pick it would be amazing, although unlikely imo.

Zion would have been nice, and I don't want to get my hopes up, but Kyrie, KD, and AD is still a hell of a dream scenario that is still in play. The 3rd pick actually makes the trade easier for me to accept. With Zion or Ja I wouldn't have wanted to gut the team, but based on popular opinion it seems like pick three is a major drop off in talent. Yet, it is still rumored to be valuable enough to trade for AD. So, losing this third pick, Frank, DSjr, and Knox, based off of last years play doesn't really bother me too much. In the grand scheme of things, picking 3rd doesn't seem all that bad... that is unless free agency blows up in the Knicks face which is always very possible with this team.

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Knicks can offer up to 5 1st round picks, plus young players if they really want to go all in.. this years pick, 2020 knicks, 2021 dallas, 2022 knicks, 2023 dallas.. That is a lot of youth for the pelicans to surround zion and rj... If you want to go all in

No. You cannot trade picks in consecutive years. Come on.

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In comment 14444272 nygiants16 said: Quote: Knicks can offer up to 5 1st round picks, plus young players if they really want to go all in.. this years pick, 2020 knicks, 2021 dallas, 2022 knicks, 2023 dallas.. That is a lot of youth for the pelicans to surround zion and rj... If you want to go all in No. You cannot trade picks in consecutive years. Come on.

read what i wrote again, they wouldnt be trading their pick in consecutive years

said he talked to someone close davis and said getting zion changed nothing still wants out. Lakers and knicks pick intrigueing to pelicans.

is some disaster. Top 3 should've been the goal going in, it is a 3 player draft, so picking third is a win even though it's not the WIN we were all hoping for.

If the idea is to trade for Anthony Davis, the Knicks didn't hurt their chances at all tonight. The Pelicans future is Zion Williamson, and pairing him up with Morant or Barrett is the perfect start to the rebuild. Throw in a couple of other first rounders, and one of either Knox, Robinson or DSJ and the Knicks have the best package anyone can offer.

I've seen a few people on Twitter mentioning the Lakers as an AD destination again, but RJ Barrett is a better prospect than anyone that they can offer, and after the season that Jayson Tatum had I don't think it's a stretch to say Barrett (especially with his connection to Zion) could be viewed as a more valuable asset than anything Boston can offer. If New Orleans is truly serious about moving AD, the Knicks should be the favorites to land him.

Of course I wanted 1 or 2, and wouldn't have traded those picks. However 3 I'm more ammenable to dealing and I don't think just AD is in play. I think as previously mentioned Beal could be an option to go with 2 big FA's if they come here and not cost much more than the #3 pick. I probably would put it at 50/50 the Knicks keep the pick.

Pels get:
Knox, 2019 #3 & 2021 1st unprotected, 2023 1st protected

Knicks get:
AD, Solomon Hill

Could obviously add a player, especially in lieu of a pick (Hill is whatever). And if it's Mitch IMO 1 pick comes off the table / drops to a 2nd. At first I thought no way NO goes for this but I think it's close (tho I'm unaware of other teams offers in comparison)

Way too soon hypothetical AD trade - ( New Window )

Now that I've gotten that off my chest...

if the Knicks can't spin an AD trade by draft day, then I would seriously consider drafting DeAndre Hunter instead of RJ Barrett. He's a better fit as a 3 & D player with KD and Kyrie. I think this might become a real option as the Lakers' trade deal will get far more appealing with their bullshit launch into the 4th pick.

Once we cleared the five spot and Cleveland, Phoenix and Chicago had all dropped, I thought Zion was ours. Three isn't bad, but I don't like the Barrett fit unless we strike out completely on top free agents. AD is the priority via trade, but I'd still shop the pick if AD falls through, including a call to Atlanta to see if they'd give up #8 and #10 for #3. We can't have a bunch of iso chuckers around two maxes.

In comment 14444315 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 14444313 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: In comment 14444272 nygiants16 said: Quote: Knicks can offer up to 5 1st round picks, plus young players if they really want to go all in.. this years pick, 2020 knicks, 2021 dallas, 2022 knicks, 2023 dallas.. That is a lot of youth for the pelicans to surround zion and rj... If you want to go all in No. You cannot trade picks in consecutive years. Come on. read what i wrote again, they wouldnt be trading their pick in consecutive years

You said this year and 2020. Those are consecutive years, no?

There are 2 ways we can go after AD if I am not mistaken. One, we sign FAs and then basically gut the rest of our team to make the salaries work. No thanks to that especially throwing in an insane amount of picks. Two, we trade before FA and before the draft giving us more flexibility to work a deal out but then I think we can only fit KD and AD and no other max guy. I am okay with the second way if we arent gutting the team. First rounders would have to be thrown in but no way am I parting with 5 1sts.

Getting AD would be awesome but I really don't know how kuch sense that makes in order to win a championship. We cannout bleed the team out to have three superstars especially if those superstars are KD, AD, and KI. 2 of the 3 are often injured. That is not smart. And add in that we'd have no depth and I think that is the wrong way to go. It isn't popular but I would just get KD and whoever he wants and use our draft picks. Imo, that is the best way to huild up this team.

In comment 14444337 robbieballs2003 said:

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In comment 14444315 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 14444313 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: In comment 14444272 nygiants16 said: Quote: Knicks can offer up to 5 1st round picks, plus young players if they really want to go all in.. this years pick, 2020 knicks, 2021 dallas, 2022 knicks, 2023 dallas.. That is a lot of youth for the pelicans to surround zion and rj... If you want to go all in No. You cannot trade picks in consecutive years. Come on. read what i wrote again, they wouldnt be trading their pick in consecutive years You said this year and 2020. Those are consecutive years, no?

They can get around that by completing the trade after the draft. Agree to it in principle beforehand, then send Barrett to New Orleans. The rule only applies to future firsts so once the selection is made it no longer matters.

follow the European soccer model. Declare where he wants to go a year from now and force a trade. In soccer, teams get a pile of cash and nothing else for players in their last contract year.

The team he wants to go to will have tremendous leverage, and NO will have to take whatever they offer (or get nothing in a year). This concept of giving up several good players and multiple first round draft choices is ridiculous. If the Knicks get Durant and perhaps another top free agent, and assuming Davis wants the Knicks, just figure out what needs to be done to clear the cap space and wait a year, or give NO a take it or leave it offer.

In comment 14444341 Mike in NJ said:

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In comment 14444337 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: In comment 14444315 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 14444313 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: In comment 14444272 nygiants16 said: Quote: Knicks can offer up to 5 1st round picks, plus young players if they really want to go all in.. this years pick, 2020 knicks, 2021 dallas, 2022 knicks, 2023 dallas.. That is a lot of youth for the pelicans to surround zion and rj... If you want to go all in No. You cannot trade picks in consecutive years. Come on. read what i wrote again, they wouldnt be trading their pick in consecutive years You said this year and 2020. Those are consecutive years, no? They can get around that by completing the trade after the draft. Agree to it in principle beforehand, then send Barrett to New Orleans. The rule only applies to future firsts so once the selection is made it no longer matters.

And that goes with my point that if it is done after the draft (1 month?) then we need to gut the team just to male the salaries match so throwing in an additional 4 picks is beyond insane.

...the Knicks would NOT secure the #1 pick?

For a team that has been both lousy and unlucky for years, did anyone REALLY believe their ship would come home at 14%?

This is still the New York Knicks... right?

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...the Knicks would NOT secure the #1 pick? For a team that has been both lousy and unlucky for years, did anyone REALLY believe their ship would come home at 14%? This is still the New York Knicks... right?

Unlike most, I am happy with the third pick. Hope for the best but expect the worst. Anybody saying we tanked for the first pick obviously didn't understand how the lottery works. We finished in last place to secure a top 5 pick. Getting number three is a good thing. Look at where the other teams are picking that had the same odds as the Knicks. Number 1 or 2 would have been very nice but this is reality.

I have been a fan of Morant since early in the season when I was looking at mock drafts and saw who he was. So, any time a game was on of his I'd watch. What became apparent to me is that while ge puts up steals he doesn't really play defense. He is small. I don't see him getting better defensively at the NBA level. He will be a huge liability in that area. Yes, he does so much offensive hence why he will almost definitely be the 2nd pick in the draft. However, who has really paid attention? There was a rumor the Knicks like Culver more than Morant. Culver was up there too before his last 2 games in college. But here is the key point: Fiz said numerous times he wants guys that will play defense. Those are the guys he wants on the court. It wouldn't surprise me if the Knicks got the second pick and passed on Morant.

As more time goes by we will see Knicks fans come around to the 3rd pick. Most are just annoyed we finished last in the league and didn't get the top pick.

The Knicks should be getting themselves a very good player. Just for reference, here is a list of who went 3 in the last 20 drafts:

2018 - Luka Doncic
2017 - Jayson Tatum
2016 - Jaylen Brown
2015 - Jahlil Okafor (yuck)
2014 - Joel Embiid
2013 - Otto Porter
2012 - Bradley Beal
2011 - Enes Kanter
2010 - Derrick Favors
2009 - James Harden
2008 - OJ Mayo (yuck)
2007 - Al Horford
2006 - Adam Morrison (the MJ special)
2005 - Deron Williams
2004 - Ben Gordon
2003 - Carmelo Anthony
2002 - Mike Dunleavy Jr
2001 - Pau Gasol
2000 - Darius Miles
1999 - Baron Davis

Wanted #1 obviously, but it could have been worse. When the Lakers jumped up, I was convinced we were getting the 5th pick.

were going to get 1 after they made it to the top 4. I am not heartbroken with getting pick 3 (as it is not pick 4 or 5) but I would have LOVED to get pick 1 or 2 for Zion or Morant.

How is this trade scenario, 3rd pick and DSG to Memphis for the 2nd pick? Secures us Morant and Memphis can keep Conley to groom DSG and they get Barrett

Our fans are obsessed with getting a 6 ft 10 in player to hopefully play alongside Durant who is about 7 feet tall. Who is shooting all of the 3s for this team. If you sell the farm for AD, a one year rental, it woukd be a mistake. We just got rid of someone who was taller who was supposed to have great potential. It's a guard and 3 pt league. Keep the assets. If you want AD that bad, find a way to sign him next year. As soon as he puts on a knock uniform, he will be hurt.

I�m fine with the 3 pick.

Could have done without the Pels winning the lottery (although that could help if Zion expresses interest in continuing to play with Barrett) and the fucking Lakers getting just 1 pick behind us.

Look at the bright side though, if the Lakers were one pick ahead of us right now we�d be totally fucked on the trade front.

3rd pick was less likely than 1st pick, statistically.

This was the second least likely outcome, with the 4th pick being the least likely.

for AD.

bust potential of the top 3 by a large margin. His shot is truly awful and this is a league where you need to shoot well. Can�t see NO salivating over RJ. The Celtics and Lakers have much more to trade and In most likely scenarios AD isn�t happening for the Knicks.

worst team gets first pick, 2nd worst team gets second pick

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bust potential of the top 3 by a large margin. His shot is truly awful and this is a league where you need to shoot well. Can�t see NO salivating over RJ. The Celtics and Lakers have much more to trade and In most likely scenarios AD isn�t happening for the Knicks.

what do thenlakers have?

honestly what do the celtics have?

i mean of course i wanted 1, but we are the knicks, im just glad it wasnt 4 or 5. This is a 3 player draft despite most trying to all of a sudden make it a two player draft (and my guess if we got 2 is then people would say Zion is the only stud). RJ has his flaws but so does Zion and so does Ja. I like how we are crushing RJ for his shooting, but Ja isnt some knock down shooter and if you look at his numbers from his freshmen year his shooting is even worse. And thats with playing at Murray state and not against UVA, UNC, SYR, etc....

The knicks are in a rare great spot. We have a bunch of assets right now. We have a top 3 pick, Knox, Robinson, a bunch of firsts in the near future. We also have intriguing youth still on the roster in guys like Trier, Dotson, DSJ, etc.. Not to mention the capspace. Do i want to completely gut the team for AD, no, but i think we can make an AD trade and still hold onto a handful of assets.

In comment 14444372 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 14444368 Essex said: Quote: bust potential of the top 3 by a large margin. His shot is truly awful and this is a league where you need to shoot well. Can�t see NO salivating over RJ. The Celtics and Lakers have much more to trade and In most likely scenarios AD isn�t happening for the Knicks. what do thenlakers have? honestly what do the celtics have?

Um, Tatum, Rozier, Smart, picks. Tatum is better than Barrett and i think most NBA executives think so

but the shine has come off a bit. That said he is the best asset i think NO can get. That said if its just tatum is that better then a knicks offer. Rozier is a RFA so you get him and the right to overpay the hell out of him. Brown is one year away from a pay day and i cant imagine teams are knocking the door down to pay smart 40 mill over the next 3 years. And the picks BOS can offer are 14, 20, and 22. Sure its good quality but if you think NO wants that over 3 or 4 then your crazy. If BOS is willing to give up Tatum and all the firsts then its a solid deal sure, but i think NY and LA could beat it.

As 16 mentioned earlier, the Knicks can make a godfather offer if they want. 3rd pick, Knox, DSJ, Robinson, 2020 pick, 2021 Dallas pick and even more picks if they want. That�s 3-5 first round picks( including the 3rd overall) and 3 promising young players. The Pelicans would be in really good shape.

Who�s matching that?

The Lakers can build a good package. But Ingram has some serious health uncertainty. But he is a very good young player in my eyes. The Lakers package will be close...

I just don�t see if with the Celtics. Even if they want all in, I personally think their players and picks are overrated. But I also don�t see them going all in with Davis, especially if Irving is leaving.

Who else is out there? It�s Lakers or Knicks.

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Roziers an RFA and it�s arguable that Both Tatum and Brown lost value this year. Last, which picks are soo tantalizing? 14 this year? Or 20 or 22?

Further, to assume Boston will trade for Davis with Kyrie potentially walking is a leap and then you have to hope Davis will re-sign. Far from the slam dunk you�re arguing

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tatum is a nice prospect but his luster has fallrn off..

rozier is a restricted free sgent no value..

their future picks are really not great

When AD won�t sign there and is a FA in a year. I don�t think they are players at all.

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Why do people keep bringing up the Celtics? AD has already said that he won�t resign with them. And if you were watching this season play out, it is almost impossible to believe that Kyrie stays. He seemed miserable as the season went on and all the chatter is that Boston tired of his act too. So, why exactly would AD change his mind about Boston now? Who�s he playing with? Also, what picks does Boston have that are even remotely as enticing as what the Knicks could offer, including this years number 3 overall?

be a better pro then Tatum. There college numbers are pretty comparable. Tatum shot a bit better from 3 (on less attempts) but fell short in most other categories.

Personally im just as excited about RJ as i would have been with Ja. And if we are to believe the KD/KI then RJ fits better, at least positionally. Id still be exploring all trades since if you can put a stud next to KD/KI that makes the most sense, but if we just have to keep all our youth then i still think this can be a very good team and if RJ is legit or Knox/Robinson take another step we could be a championship contender for awhile.

which is the Pels presumably wanting to build a foundation around Zion to keep him happy.

What better way than to set him up with his college running mate.

Barrett + Mitch + Pelicans pick of Knox and/or Frank.

If the Knicks could acquire AD and keep the Mavs picks, that would be huge.

killing tanking. Which they didnt do anyway cause it still makes sense for a shit team like the knicks to lose. But its like hey if you tank you get screwed, but if you spend the last 25 games of the year playing your superstar 20 minutes a game and coming up with fake injuries every couple games so he can sit then you get the #1 pick!!!

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killing tanking. Which they didnt do anyway cause it still makes sense for a shit team like the knicks to lose. But its like hey if you tank you get screwed, but if you spend the last 25 games of the year playing your superstar 20 minutes a game and coming up with fake injuries every couple games so he can sit then you get the #1 pick!!!

Exactly. It�s also going detract teams for gunning hard for the playoffs. If you�re a borderline playoff team, would you rather make the 7 or 8 seed knowing you�re going to get blown out of the gym in the first round, or would you rather enter the lottery knowing there�s a much more likely chance now at a top 5 pick? You think the Lakers wish they had made the playoffs?

has only come off because of 1 of the 2 FAs the Knicks want.

I almost feel like you are buying low on Tatum at this point. And while Brown will never be an All NBA guy, hes a good piece for a good team.

It couldnt be more clear that Kyrie was an awful fit for both the coach and the players.

does he make sense for NO? I think your right in that he is a good player for a good team which NO will not be for a couple seasons. Even if Zion was Lebron (which he isnt even close) it would take a few season before they were descent in the west. Again i agree that Tatum is prolly the best individual asset that NO can get, but the secondary assets BOS had (Brown and the picks) def didnt go the way that BOS was hoping.

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has only come off because of 1 of the 2 FAs the Knicks want. I almost feel like you are buying low on Tatum at this point. And while Brown will never be an All NBA guy, hes a good piece for a good team. It couldnt be more clear that Kyrie was an awful fit for both the coach and the players.

That�s fair. But even if you think Tatum is a All NBA talent (not saying you do, just as an example) Davis still has almost zero chance of going to Boston. He said last year he wouldn�t resign there. Kyrie is obviously gone. So if Boston trades Tatum, Rozier, Brown or whoever, why the hell would Davis agree to go there? To play with Al Horford? A Boston trade just makes no sense for anyone involved.