NFT: Knicks/NBA Chat, 5/14. IT'S LOTTERY DAY!

And I feel worse that Patrick will be there. I don’t want to have to see him up there if it turns out to be worst case scenario.

Basketball Gods if you’re listening, I’m fine with 2nd pick. Please no 4 or 5!

In comment 14442706 Chris684 said:

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And I feel worse that Patrick will be there. I don’t want to have to see him up there if it turns out to be worst case scenario. Basketball Gods if you’re listening, I’m fine with 2nd pick. Please no 4 or 5!

I think the only benefit to 4 or 5 is the additional cap room that could let us keep Dot and/or ZO and still have two max. If we get Zion, those two are probably toast.

Still rather have zion.

Think positively! We're due.

I think Knicks trade the pick no matter what, i think their goal is to go into free agency with davis and 2 max slots

In comment 14442708 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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Think positively! We're due.

I hope you’re right and I wish I felt that way but I’m prepping for the worst.

In comment 14442709 nygiants16 said:

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I think Knicks trade the pick no matter what, i think their goal is to go into free agency with davis and 2 max slots

This should be the goal but even then you don’t really want to slip beyond 3 at a minimum.

In comment 14442709 nygiants16 said:

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I think Knicks trade the pick no matter what, i think their goal is to go into free agency with davis and 2 max slots

I could see that, but we need the 1st pick overall to get AD, 2nd @ worst. Pels aren't trading for the 5th pick overall in this draft.

to Knicks fans.

though i will be rooting for the Cavs to get the top pick

(Let’s say you want Davis). Without the #1 Robinson has to be in the package. (He might have to be including #1 but I hope not).

when the lottery odds change so that they have a less than 30% chance of getting a top two pick

hope they win it but it is the knicks

I think the Knicks plan is to trade whatever they land for Anthony Davis. The higher the pick the better the chance they strike a deal and the less they give up.

Im hoping they would only deal 2-5 and not Zion.

its a good drop off after that. So whether we keep or trade the pick top 3 is key. Really i want top 2, but im a knicks fan and im not going to push it so top 3 is fine.

Im sure this will be said a lot today, but ill say again that a system where the team with the worst record in the league can end up with the 5th pick (and its not even that far fetched they do, like a 2% chance or something) is stupid.

That reading for AD mean that, no matter what, we would have only 1 max slot open. Am I incorrect in that?

We never have any luck

can make AD and two max work, but it involves trading most of the roster to make the salary work. So 1st rounder, Knox, DSJ, Frank, etc... Whats funny is the knicks could use one like overpaid 10 mill player to help facilitate the trade.

In comment 14442730 Blue The Dog said:

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That reading for AD mean that, no matter what, we would have only 1 max slot open. Am I incorrect in that?

yes incorrect, my guess you read the dailynews

i mean all we have had is bad stuff for 2 decades. I want to think we are due, but its hard.

In comment 14442733 Italianju said:

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can make AD and two max work, but it involves trading most of the roster to make the salary work. So 1st rounder, Knox, DSJ, Frank, etc... Whats funny is the knicks could use one like overpaid 10 mill player to help facilitate the trade.

Knicks have some smaller deals they can use as cap filler like jenkins

all of the youth especially mitch robinson, plus multiple 1sts (both knicks and mavs) to get davis. Sure davis is a great player, but you would be left with davis and 2 max slots with only bare bones around them . No youth, no role players, no draft picks, no way to improve the team going forward . It's just not worth it IMO and kills all flexibility going forward.

i didnt realize that Ellenson+Jenkins+ Garrett was like 5 mill in salary. Throw in Lance and you are already up to 12. Means i guess you might be able to figure out a way to keep say DSJ.

How does the 1st round pick work? I guess we would have to wait until he is signed to count his salary? That would be another what like 6 mill. So the rookie, thomas, those 3 bums, and Knox would be almost enough right there. That doesnt include DSJ or Frank (not that i care).

In comment 14442740 Giantfan21 said:

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all of the youth especially mitch robinson, plus multiple 1sts (both knicks and mavs) to get davis. Sure davis is a great player, but you would be left with davis and 2 max slots with only bare bones around them . No youth, no role players, no draft picks, no way to improve the team going forward . It's just not worth it IMO and kills all flexibility going forward.

you have davis, dursnt and kyrie you are instant title contender, you could fill the bench pretty easily

In comment 14442742 Italianju said:

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i didnt realize that Ellenson+Jenkins+ Garrett was like 5 mill in salary. Throw in Lance and you are already up to 12. Means i guess you might be able to figure out a way to keep say DSJ. How does the 1st round pick work? I guess we would have to wait until he is signed to count his salary? That would be another what like 6 mill. So the rookie, thomas, those 3 bums, and Knox would be almost enough right there. That doesnt include DSJ or Frank (not that i care).

cant put thomas, he needs to be released for max space..

i think 1st pick is around 10 million, you have to get to 22 of davis 27 million..

You can gree in principle, sign draft pick and wait 30 days for it to be official

Unfortunately it ends in about 13 hours. I am just hoping he goes somewhere tolerable. But there are a lot of groan-inducing candidates out there:

Phoenix or Cleveland for the thousandth time, Lakers, Celtics, Mavericks. It would suck for Zion if he ends up with Washington considering the cap situation there.

Atlanta, Memphis, New Orleans, Charlotte are tolerable, hope one of them wins since I know the Knicks won’t.

I think if we end up with a top 3 pick. THe offer should be the pick, Knox, Frank, and the Mavs pick. If we have to throw in a future first of our own then fine. I know that AD is worht more then that as im sure some fan of another team will tell me. BUT its not that he is worth more its what other team is going to give a better offer.

No reason to give up a top 2 pick and Robinson. The knicks could actually be in the drivers seat for once, dont overpay in a trade when you dont have to. This could be our getting James Harden for Jeremy Lamb and whatever pick turned into Steven Adams. And a top 3 pick, an unprotected mavs pick, another first and Knox is not a bad deal when your trying to trade a disgruntled superstar who is saying im only signing with 4 teams or whatever.

In comment 14442735 Italianju said:

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i mean all we have had is bad stuff for 2 decades. I want to think we are due, but its hard.

I can’t shake the feeling as well. Nothing EVER breaks the Knicks way. I’m fully expecting the 5th pick and a full meltdown on BBI beginning around 9 pm. Hoping for the best, expecting the worst, per usual with this team.

There is a 48% chance they pick 5th, 86% chance they don’t pick first. It would be incredible luck if they did land #1 overall.

I hope they do but Iknow better.

Knicks fans need to pray, not for just the 1st pick, but for a top 3 pick. Anything else is a epic fail IMO.

I think the plan is to flip the pick for Davis, and if we fall outside of the top 3 it will be a lot easier for New Orleans to accept if they already know they are getting Zion. There is a 20% chance the top pick goes to either the Knicks or New Orleans, thinking of it that way makes me more optimistic going into tonight.

In comment 14442747 Italianju said:

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I think if we end up with a top 3 pick. THe offer should be the pick, Knox, Frank, and the Mavs pick. If we have to throw in a future first of our own then fine. I know that AD is worht more then that as im sure some fan of another team will tell me. BUT its not that he is worth more its what other team is going to give a better offer. No reason to give up a top 2 pick and Robinson. The knicks could actually be in the drivers seat for once, dont overpay in a trade when you dont have to. This could be our getting James Harden for Jeremy Lamb and whatever pick turned into Steven Adams. And a top 3 pick, an unprotected mavs pick, another first and Knox is not a bad deal when your trying to trade a disgruntled superstar who is saying im only signing with 4 teams or whatever.

I agree with this. I'm incredibly high on Zion as a prospect, but lets see the big picture here. If they have a chance to pair Durant and Anthony Davis up, you do whatever it takes to make that happen. If that has to be Zion or wherever the pick lands, Robinson and all the young players, you have to do it.

Davis is 26 years old and really has zero weakness on the basketball court. I hate how he treated this season, and he has some injury risk ( what nba player doesn't?), you can't argue his ability.

What about a scenario where they trade 2019 pick/ Robinson/ Knox/ salary filler for Davis, sign Durant and then use the remaining cap space to sign multiple players instead of Kyrie or another max? I actually may like this scenario the best...

Yes it would suck but knicks have set it up where free agency is more important than the draft..

and say mnicks do get 1 through 3 and trade it for davis, pick, knox, frank, cap filler multiple 1sts...

you have a core of kyrie, durant, davis, jordan, robinson, trier, smith jr, melo(haha) and more vet minimums..

instant contender

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but I will not watch the lottery live. No good can come from me doing that. Oops. I watched the NHL lottery only after the Rangers were in the top 3.

Has me conditioned to negativity and disappointment. I’m fully expecting the Knicks to fall past the top 3.

Then they are in drivers seat with NOLA. No one can come close to offering anything better because NOLA needs to get fans in the seats and Jason Tatum is not putting fans in the seats. NOLA could play hard ball as much as they want but at the end of the day they will take any deal knicks would offer with Zion. Personally I would not trade Zion.

Sign KD, Kyrie and some vets with the mid level exceptions ie danny green, Beverly. Keep all the young assets for the start of the season, have the deepest team in the league mixed between vets and up and comers. At the all star break figure out what’s best missing from the team and package the youth/picks that are not needed to get the missing piece. There will be teams at the break that are in bad shape salary wise and won’t be sniffing the playoffs and looking to unload. OKC could be one of those teams looking to start over. At the break an offer of Knox smith jr and a first rounder or 2 would be enticing for Paul George. Then okc can trade Westbrook and they are cap free with a bunch of youn players and picks to start over.

Knicks could roll out, Kyrie George, Durant, Zion and Mitch Robinson. Still have a good bench.

In comment 14442774 nygiants16 said:

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Yes it would suck but knicks have set it up where free agency is more important than the draft.. and say mnicks do get 1 through 3 and trade it for davis, pick, knox, frank, cap filler multiple 1sts... you have a core of kyrie, durant, davis, jordan, robinson, trier, smith jr, melo(haha) and more vet minimums.. instant contender

I wouldn't call it an epic fail and its not the Knicks fault if they do. They did everything they can to maximize their draft position. With that said, they just had a 17 win season that was abysmal. If they land the 5th pick after that season, that is an enormous disappointment. Especially considering the draft falls off after 3 or 4.

The Knicks have also had zero lottery luck. They have never moved up in the lottery. Hopefully that luck changes tonight...

creates an instant contender. However if KI is one of the big 3 we need another lead guard because he misses 15-20 games a season guaranteed, even just for maintenance, not to mention the games AD misses. If we are lucky enough to land a top 2 pick I am heavily in favor of keeping it. Pair Zion/Ja Morant with the big 2 and what we have already that can be absolutely a contender to make it out of the East withing the next 2 years and gives us a hell of a lot more roster flexibility and trade bait with the picks we have going forward to make improvement at the trade deadlines.

but as a cuse/melo fan id be happy to bring him back if we get KD/KI. I hate the way his career has ended (and fully accept that its his fault since he wont adjust his game). That said I understand he prolly doesnt make it through the season without being cut cause he wont accept the type of role he should have at this point but id still like to give it a try, lol.

Pail George is probably not a great example because of his salary, but there will be options.

In comment 14442804 Italianju said:

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but as a cuse/melo fan id be happy to bring him back if we get KD/KI. I hate the way his career has ended (and fully accept that its his fault since he wont adjust his game). That said I understand he prolly doesnt make it through the season without being cut cause he wont accept the type of role he should have at this point but id still like to give it a try, lol.

i am right there with you, i have no pronlem bringing melo in after signing 2 max guys

can make an AD deal work without giving up DSJ so he can be your backup PG. Or you sign a vet. The advantage of having a big 3 like that is if a star gets hurt or needs a day or two off then the other two just pick up the slack. So you dont have to replace Irving for those games with a guy who can do something close to what Irving does. Depth in the nba is mostly overrated. The Bucks and TOR are in the finals mostly cause they have the 2 best players in the East. Sure they have depth but depth also looks a lot better when you have guys like Giannis and Kawhi.

the Melo/HOU one was pretty good from a couple weeks ago.

not feeling optimistic at all.

Preparing to see the logo come out of the envelope at 5.

In comment 14442820 moze1021 said:

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not feeling optimistic at all. Preparing to see the logo come out of the envelope at 5.

I woke up the exact opposite. I'm feeling good. Positive vibes brother.

In comment 14442749 Oscar said:

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There is a 48% chance they pick 5th, 86% chance they don’t pick first. It would be incredible luck if they did land #1 overall.

It's the classic statistics problem that is super difficult to comprehend..

You flip a perfectly balanced coin 9 times... and its heads every time. What are the odds that it is heads the 10th toss? 50%.

Knicks have been on the wrong side of every lottery "coin toss" since Ewing. That streak is why getting the 5th pick will be perceived as bad luck, not because of the odds of this particular "toss".

Melo in after we sign Deandre Jordan somehow. Melo as some instand offense off the bench would not be bad, assuming he is willing to take on that role

Odds are against us. Too bad they changed the rules the one year we deliberately tank.

Knicks fans will absolutely be whining about how the franchise is cursed and they got fucked as soon as the card is flipped over tonight. Just want to note that it’s not likely things work out.

Have been amazed for the last few months how readily Knicks fans were penciling Zion into future plans like drafting him is a sure thing.

So the worst team has the best chance to land the FIFTH overall pick? I get the trade-off with not falling farther than 5, but it makes no sense. We were the worst fucking team in the NBA. How do we only have a 14% chance of picking first?

In comment 14442844 Oscar said:

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Knicks fans will absolutely be whining about how the franchise is cursed and they got fucked as soon as the card is flipped over tonight. Just want to note that it’s not likely things work out. Have been amazed for the last few months how readily Knicks fans were penciling Zion into future plans like drafting him is a sure thing.

Correct. If we win, we won fair and square and everyone else can go to hell. If we lose, the franchise is confirmed to be cursed and the lottery system is complete bullshit.

& realize the odds are not in our favor of getting Zion. But I'm trying to think positively for a change with this franchise.