NFT: Knicks/NBA Chat, 5/14. IT'S LOTTERY DAY!

In comment 14444189 Greg from LI said:

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Barrett, Robinson and picks?

No we need to dump every higher salary to get him if we bring in 2 maxes in KD and Kyrie.

They aren't putting all three of them on the floor together.

3rd pick, Knox, frank, mavs pick. I’d still want to keep Mitch. I don’t think we have to include him to have the best offer.

In comment 14444192 Jim in Hoboken said:

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showing LeBron's live shoutout to Zion on instagram right now. I feel bad for the Pelicans, so that eases the sting of not getting Zion. As a Knicks fan, though, I always knew we weren't getting the first. DSJ, Frank, Knox, Trier, and 2 #1's for AD. Gotta hold onto Mitch somehow.

I think we can hold on to Mitch. The offer can be very strong without including him.

In comment 14444183 robbieballs2003 said:

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In comment 14444175 KJG5173 said: Quote: Because Kemba is the better player imho. I would take Kemba over Kyrie at this stage 10 out of 10 times. No, it is because him and KD are close. If you want KD then you don't tell him who tge second guy is. KD chooses otherwise he doesn't come. That is the thought process. I go with whoever KD wants. With that said, if it were up to me then I go Kemba too.

I could not agree more. If KD wants to pick who comes with him he gets to do that. But if he leaves it up to the team it should be Kemba. And hopefully he could be talked into that too.

In comment 14444192 Jim in Hoboken said:

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showing LeBron's live shoutout to Zion on instagram right now. I feel bad for the Pelicans

Why? They had 7 years to put a contender together around Davis. How long should he wait around for them to get good enough to win?

KD plays plenty of 3 in gsw and Davis plays the 4 just fine.

all are. They think he's an injury waiting to happen (I believe he said Mitch has a bum knee) and feel that there isn't much between the ears and doesn't take to coaching well.


Don't shoot the messenger. Just reporting what I heard.

Agree with where Greg’s going. I would think really hard about Hunter if I’m keeping the pick. Culver would be in consideration as well, but not sure he’ll be as successful off ball (also still bothered by his decline in 3pt shooting this year).

In comment 14444189 Greg from LI said:

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Barrett, Robinson and picks?

Robinson is not going anywhere.

In comment 14444201 Greg from LI said:

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They aren't putting all three of them on the floor together.

Robinson can play the 5 or back up 4 depending on matchups. He'd get plenty of minutes and adds a phenomenal defensive dynamic and offensive board clean up option for the volume shooters.

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In comment 14444207 Anakim said:

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all are. They think he's an injury waiting to happen (I believe he said Mitch has a bum knee) and feel that there isn't much between the ears and doesn't take to coaching well. Don't shoot the messenger. Just reporting what I heard.

That would be crazy if true. Still want to keep him. He changes the game defensively at minumum.

In comment 14444207 Anakim said:

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all are. They think he's an injury waiting to happen (I believe he said Mitch has a bum knee) and feel that there isn't much between the ears and doesn't take to coaching well. Don't shoot the messenger. Just reporting what I heard.

Wouldn't surprise me. They only got Mitch in the first place because he's kind of a flake. His whole WKU saga was weird.

And I’d be prepared to tac on a Mavs pick or Knox if I got into a bidding war with Celts or Lakers.

Presumably, the Knicks should be helped out by being able to ship Zions college teammate to Nola with him. The Pels will want to see Zion happy.

In comment 14444201 Greg from LI said:

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They aren't putting all three of them on the floor together.

He could still get to 20 mins easily coming off the bench. And Davis has never been durable. Or you use him in another deal down the road. You don't just toss him into a trade this summer because he may or may not be a perfect fit with any potential free agents.

Obviously Mitch shouldn't be the reason we don't get AD, but I think we can get it done without including him. Even if he busts, it wouldn't be some immense mistake. I certainly wouldn't insist on keeping someone like DSJ or Knox over Mitch.

You should drive Mitchell Robinson to the airport if he was truly the barrier between the Knicks and AD (he’s not).

But that does suck for Zion.

Disappointed Zion isn’t headed to MSG. Going to the Pelicans is not good for the league.

I love what Mitch did this year but I’m not letting him hold up a Davis deal. Let’s not overrate a very promising rookie for a top 5 nba player who’s 26 years old. Do everything possible to pair Davis and Durant and figure out the rest.

the 3rd pick, & whoever they want.

If AD really wants out...

hate that Zion ended up in NOLA. Worst market in the league, constant talk about them relocating. Zion won't even change that. They had AD for 7 years & it's still a joke of a market.

I'm assuming those guys aren't going to get it done. If NO is dealing their dominant interior defender, you don't think they're going to insist on getting a potentially dominant defender back?

They could suck with this Porzingis drama and supposedly that could be the first draft the NBA gets rid of the one amd done with draftable players. That draft could be loaded. I'd much rather give up DSJ.

In comment 14444221 Jim in Hoboken said:

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Obviously Mitch shouldn't be the reason we don't get AD, but I think we can get it done without including him. Even if he busts, it wouldn't be some immense mistake. I certainly wouldn't insist on keeping someone like DSJ or Knox over Mitch.

AD was the focal point and that can add to injury and wear. With KD and Kyrie its a very different dynamic for him. Mitchell and DeAndre add some toughness and shotblocking to take more burden off him.

DSJ Knox and Frank all have to go to make this work salary cap wise. We can only keep the cheapests guys: Dotson, Allen, Mitchell and possibly Trier. Then MLE I think (Jordan?), then vet minumum contracts can go over cap.

In comment 14444228 Greg from LI said:

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I'm assuming those guys aren't going to get it done. If NO is dealing their dominant interior defender, you don't think they're going to insist on getting a potentially dominant defender back?

DSJ has some value and so does Knox. Barrett they apparently like. Then you throw in a Dallas pick and another Knick FRP.

Thats plenty.

In comment 14444193 Samiam said:

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He has tremendous talents and can improve where he needs to. Btw, somebody compared him to Melo. When in Melo’s entire career, did he play defense? That’s a crazy comparison

He’s way more athletic than Melo. Not the same scorer, but a much better playmaker and defender. It’s not given Morant is going #2, btw.

Seattle deserves a team...

In comment 14444231 robbieballs2003 said:

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They could suck with this Porzingis drama and supposedly that could be the first draft the NBA gets rid of the one amd done with draftable players. That draft could be loaded. I'd much rather give up DSJ.

I think the more important point is we have plenty of valuable trade chips at this point to make the best offer for AD.

In comment 14444237 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:

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Seattle deserves a team...

God, I hope Seattle gets an NBA team again. That's a basketball crazed city. I really miss the Sonics.

and then relocate to Seattle.

trading for Barrett might be appealing for the pelkcans, they can pair him with one of his good friends

agree with what others have said about Barrett. He's a finisher and an exciting playmaker, but not a shooter. He got hot from three against UVA one game, but then so did the whole Duke team. This is going to be an interesting off season.

Get the first 2 picks.
While the Knicks and Lakers are right behind them.
Flip that and the basketball world is going crazy right now.
Zion and Ja are crying right now.

In comment 14444218 Chris684 said:

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And I’d be prepared to tac on a Mavs pick or Knox if I got into a bidding war with Celts or Lakers. Presumably, the Knicks should be helped out by being able to ship Zions college teammate to Nola with him. The Pels will want to see Zion happy.

Exactly. They have to keep Zion happy because previous star players (CP3, AD) soured on New Orleans quickly...

In comment 14444237 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:

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Seattle deserves a team...

There's that theory that Durant would go to Clippers with the belief that they would relocate to Seattle because Durant loved his time in Seattle.

2021 and 2023 correct?

- Love the city of New Orleans but it’s not an nba town. Last 2 franchise players have asked out. Just as an NBA fan, not happy Zion is headed there.

- Lakers made out big in the lottery. Puts them in the market for Davis and other potential top trade targets. I’d be shocked if they kept the pick.

- Id expect Davis, Beal, Conley and possibly Holiday to get traded this season. 4 big time players that could be had via trade.

- Knicks have some serious assets to move. Probably in this order- 2019 pick, unprotected 2021 Dallas pick, Robinson, Knox and DSJ. Will they move all 5 to get Davis? I’d love to keep the Dallas pick or Robinson. Is the Lakers package better?

- This new lottery system has to dissuade tanking.

- This offseason is going to be insane.

Ballmer's ties to Seattle due to Microsoft.

I think it's more likely Seattle gets an expansion team or a team like the Pels relocate there.

to move a team from LA to Seattle.

In comment 14444252 TyreeHelmet said:

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- Love the city of New Orleans but it’s not an nba town. Last 2 franchise players have asked out. Just as an NBA fan, not happy Zion is headed there. - Lakers made out big in the lottery. Puts them in the market for Davis and other potential top trade targets. I’d be shocked if they kept the pick. - Id expect Davis, Beal, Conley and possibly Holiday to get traded this season. 4 big time players that could be had via trade. - Knicks have some serious assets to move. Probably in this order- 2019 pick, unprotected 2021 Dallas pick, Robinson, Knox and DSJ. Will they move all 5 to get Davis? I’d love to keep the Dallas pick or Robinson. Is the Lakers package better? - This new lottery system has to dissuade tanking. - This offseason is going to be insane.

With Bron Bron aging, 4 years older than Durant. AD may prefer us as his ideal destination.

Lakers could offer #4 , Ingram, Kuzma and future pick

We can offer #3, DSJ, Knox, Frank , 21 Dal FRP, and maybe even 2020 FRP

Adding Mitch puts us over the top definitively. But without Mitch still a strong offer.

If including Tatum, Brown, picks.

And strip the Knicks of all their young players and picks. I keep reading that the Knicks should trade #3 pick, Robinson, Knox, DSJ and one or both of Dallas’ picks for AD. Leaving out of the equation Durant, as he could go anywhere and you are trading a ton of assets for a guy who has been injury prone his entire career, and is in his walk year.

If you could get him for Robinson, Knox and a future first, great but anything more is overreaching.

And don’t sell the third pick short. Both Morant and RJ, the minute they are drafted probably become the Knicks best player and highest upside of anyone on the Knicks’ roster.

In comment 14444262 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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If including Tatum, Brown, picks.

AD has supposedly said he won’t resign with Boston. And I also think Tatum and Brown are insanely overrated. And Kyrie going back to Boston is very hard to vision at this point. He seemed like he was halfway out the door and Boston players don’t seem thrilled with him either.

I think AD to Boston has almost zero chance of happening. They likely aren’t in the discussion

In comment 14444266 PhilSimms15 said:

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And strip the Knicks of all their young players and picks. I keep reading that the Knicks should trade #3 pick, Robinson, Knox, DSJ and one or both of Dallas’ picks for AD. Leaving out of the equation Durant, as he could go anywhere and you are trading a ton of assets for a guy who has been injury prone his entire career, and is in his walk year. If you could get him for Robinson, Knox and a future first, great but anything more is overreaching. And don’t sell the third pick short. Both Morant and RJ, the minute they are drafted probably become the Knicks best player and highest upside of anyone on the Knicks’ roster.

Great post. This franchise needs to stop repeating mistakes.

Knox, Smith and Frank all struggle beyond the arc, as does Barrett and of course Mitch. Dotson's pretty good, but not great. Trier's percentages were good overall, but he runs a little hot and cold. Skill sets of some of these guys are a little redundant.

Knicks can offer up to 5 1st round picks, plus young players if they really want to go all in..

this years pick, 2020 knicks, 2021 dallas, 2022 knicks, 2023 dallas..

That is a lot of youth for the pelicans to surround zion and rj...

If you want to go all in

Wonder if Griffin holds onto AD and sees if Zion is a transformative player who could sway him. Trade him in February if it doesn’t work out.

Seems somewhat plausible.

In comment 14444274 threeofakind33 said:

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Wonder if Griffin holds onto AD and sees if Zion is a transformative player who could sway him. Trade him in February if it doesn’t work out. Seems somewhat plausible.

Lose a lot more value if you wait until deadline