NFT: Knicks/NBA Chat, 5/14. IT'S LOTTERY DAY!

putting out that you intend to trade the #1 pick before the lotto.

Have had bad feelings all day.

Hope I’m wrong

If the Knicks get pick 3 or worse and want to explore a trade for Davis, that's fine - I wouldn't be against that and I probably wouldn't hang up the phone over Mitch, either.

But - if the Knicks can draft Zion or even Morant, I honestly think they can build a better team by keeping either player if they can get Durant and another max to come here. This way, Robinson is still here, they can continue to develop Knox and there's still developing youth along with some depth and more cap flexibility.

I know we all are dying to see the Knicks finally win. But, I don't want to turn this into a situation where we basically dump everything for a 3 year window and then once that's done, we're back to square one with zero assets and need to go right back into tank mode.

I'd like to try and build something a little more sustainable. I know that's hard in the NBA because of how heavily the star power weighs, but I think the Knicks would be wise to play a bit of a long-game here even while they're pursuing Durant/Irving (or whoever they'd pair with Durant)

In comment 14443562 bceagle05 said:

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Not the most explosive athlete, but has enough “short area quickness” to get past defenders, and he has NBA range on his jumper. Someone will be very happy they drafted him.

I agree with this. He's also such a good shooter (if it translates) that the threat of pulling up more than makes up for not being a top-level athlete a la Morant. If not for the injury it's possible he's being debated alongside Barrett and maybe even Morant as a top 2-3 guy in this draft.

will be part of the media contingent that privately watches the lottery drawing. That’s a lot of bad karma to overcome.

and he'll be an asset on defense from Day 1. He's about as "safe" as it gets in the draft. But having watched him for a couple years, I just don't see him (and I don't think anyone else sees him) as a centerpiece type, capable of putting a team on his shoulders.

I say forget A.D. Let him go to L.A.

KD. Kawhi. Kyrie. Kemba. Jimmy B.

Are all free agents...

This summer!

Hope for a top 3 pick.

1st Zion. 2nd Morant. 3rd Barrett.

Find out which one (if any) you get...

Tonight!

Sign KD. Draft Zion. BOOM!

Sign Kawhi. Draft Ja or RJ. BOOM!

I'd pass on Kyrie if I'm NYK... or at least would put a few of the top FAs ahead of him on my 'want list'. If I get Zion, Kyrie + Zion ain't bad at all either.

in the sport if this thread was all you had to go off of.

Puzzling.

It's also as if there aren't a few very legitimate question marks around Williamson's game at the next level.

In comment 14443564 90.Cal said:

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Zion OR Morant OR Barrett for Anthony Davis... the Knicks will continue to suck for the next decade or two... period

This is moronic, davis with kyrie and durant is instant title contender

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In comment 14443564 90.Cal said:

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Zion OR Morant OR Barrett for Anthony Davis... the Knicks will continue to suck for the next decade or two... period

Lol. Thats funny.

So a combination of AD, KD ,Kyrie with some strategic role players mixed in which could include D.Jordan, Mitchell, Dotson and Trier (all the cheaper contracts to make the $$$ work) is going to suck for the next 5 -6 years?

NBA more than any other sport is star driven. 5 guys on a court at a time. Not 11 and not a separate offense and defense. Not 9 with a DH and a Pitching Staff. And the stars shine most cause most will play both great offense and excellent defense or in a PGs case be a good ball distributor. If we got those guys, 3 of the 5 on the court would be top 10-12 players in the NBA. Even if you dont love Kyrie he is still a star level player. And KD and AD are 2 way elite players.

and a season ago was in the talks of MVP.
Zion and Morant are prospects and no one truly knows if their game will translate to the NBA besides be on the level of AD.

Take the sure thing which is AD

Would be an awful, awful trade. I’d hate to see that.

And maybe handle (neither one has a great handle). Hunter is the superior shooter and defender. His floor is as a very good 3 and D player, and he's got a lot of offensive upside yet that playing UVA's style didn't bring out.

While I freely admit to being a homer, I'd take Hunter over anyone in this draft other than Zion or Morant.

In comment 14443592 larryflower37 said:

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and a season ago was in the talks of MVP. Zion and Morant are prospects and no one truly knows if their game will translate to the NBA besides be on the level of AD. Take the sure thing which is AD

Not one homegrown player in this scenario.

What about acquiring a top 5 player in the sport in his prime is at all Knicksian?

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Yup.

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In comment 14443592 larryflower37 said: Quote: and a season ago was in the talks of MVP. Zion and Morant are prospects and no one truly knows if their game will translate to the NBA besides be on the level of AD. Take the sure thing which is AD Not one homegrown player in this scenario.

who cares?

In comment 14443599 arcarsenal said:

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In comment 14443589 Sean said: Quote: . Yup.

how is this same old knicks? you are adding 2 top 5 players and a top 15 player...

you are winning a title next year

I just want the Knicks to compete. If it takes signing the MonStars to do it, I couldn't possibly care less.

In comment 14443597 Sean said:

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In comment 14443592 larryflower37 said: Quote: and a season ago was in the talks of MVP. Zion and Morant are prospects and no one truly knows if their game will translate to the NBA besides be on the level of AD. Take the sure thing which is AD Not one homegrown player in this scenario.

Homegrown talent while nice and sentimental from a fan standpoint is not a requirement for success especially in todays NBA.

I don't give a shit how good Anthony Davis is. If he's not on the court, he doesn't help us.

Again... he's 26 years old and has already had...

A shoulder problem
An elbow problem
Back spasms
An ankle problem
A hip problem

You guys want to ship off one of the best prospects in recent memory so that we can talk about the suit Davis is wearing on the bench because he's hurt because we're obsessed with stuffing as many "top 5" players into the Garden as possible - be my guest.

I think the Knicks would be much better off adding 2 superstars to a younger team with more flexibility.

No one is denying Davis' talent. People are skeptical about his durability.

But I'm ready to win now. Not tomorrow, now.

In comment 14443596 Greg from LI said:

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And maybe handle (neither one has a great handle). Hunter is the superior shooter and defender. His floor is as a very good 3 and D player, and he's got a lot of offensive upside yet that playing UVA's style didn't bring out. While I freely admit to being a homer, I'd take Hunter over anyone in this draft other than Zion or Morant.

I'm not a fan of either prospect (wouldn't be in my top 5) but the argument would be that Reddish has a higher ceiling. He's a better athlete, despite his poor shooting he has great form and a high/quick release which you hope can eventually become a strength, and as you allude to -- his handle could enable him to develop into a player that can handle the ball and create his own shot.

You are awfully confident about winning a title next year, can you give me specific examples about where this has worked?

-Boston already had Paul Pierce in place
-Miami already had Wade in place
-Warriors drafted their core

We are coming in a 17 win season, but AD, KD & Kyrie will lead to a title in the first year? Talk about idealistic thinking.

It's mortgaging the farm (again) for proven malcontents. If it works no one is complaining. And there's reason it would. Yet if it doesn't, we're SOL 3 years from now. Where keeping Mitch & #1 pick and a couple future #1s at least does not

Also people are undervaluing Mitch & Zion's floors as likely elite defenders. Their value will remain 3 years from now, and we'll still have 1st round picks REGARDLESS of if FAs work out

I'd rather not make an AD trade, tho as always it depends on what's traded. I'm not as high on Morant, but would rather keep the #1. If it's #1 (maybe even Zion), DSJ, Knox and an additional 1 - no more? Sure. If it's that plus Mitch & another 1st or more?

Great thing is outside of the shit-est maxes and the 5th pick, a lot of these outcomes are pretty great. I won't complain if we got Morant KD and another FA, or AD / KD / KI...or my hope KD / KL or KT / Zion and keep our assets

In comment 14443607 arcarsenal said:

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I don't give a shit how good Anthony Davis is. If he's not on the court, he doesn't help us. Again... he's 26 years old and has already had... A shoulder problem An elbow problem Back spasms An ankle problem A hip problem You guys want to ship off one of the best prospects in recent memory so that we can talk about the suit Davis is wearing on the bench because he's hurt because we're obsessed with stuffing as many "top 5" players into the Garden as possible - be my guest. I think the Knicks would be much better off adding 2 superstars to a younger team with more flexibility. No one is denying Davis' talent. People are skeptical about his durability.

It would be McDyess all over again. I can feel it, taste it, smell it.

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You are awfully confident about winning a title next year, can you give me specific examples about where this has worked? -Boston already had Paul Pierce in place -Miami already had Wade in place -Warriors drafted their core We are coming in a 17 win season, but AD, KD & Kyrie will lead to a title in the first year? Talk about idealistic thinking.

They'd immediately be the Eastern Conference favorites.

But it doesn't go in the hoop very much.

Hunter's does....a lot. 50% career shooter, 42% career on 3s, and he's a much better defender than Reddish, which says something because Reddish is very solid on defense.

Hunter has been a better 3pt shooter at Virginia than either Joe Harris or Malcolm Brogdon were, and those guys have proven to be elite shooters in the NBA.

Or is he just guaranteed to walk into the NBA and kick everyone's ass?

And Hunter shut his ass down in the title game. 5-22 from the floor.

1 month ago – via Twitter WillGuillory
Will Guillory: Alvin Gentry says Anthony Davis will not play tonight vs. Lakers

2 months ago – via Twitter michaelgrange
Michael Grange: AD out tonight for Pelicans due to back spasms, joining Holiday and Moore.

2 months ago – via Twitter WillGuillory
Will Guillory: The Pelicans listed Anthony Davis and E’Twaun Moore as out for tonight’s game in Denver. pic.twitter.com/BC6KATSTRh

3 months ago – via Twitter ScottDKushner
Scott Kushner: Danny Ferry also cleared up the situation on AD leaving the arena early last week, saying the Pelicans’ medical staff told Davis to go get an MRI after checking his shoulder.

3 months ago – via Twitter ShamsCharania
Shams Charania: Sources: Anthony Davis has been medically cleared to play from his left index finger fracture, but the New Orleans Pelicans do not intend to play him before Thursday’s trade deadline. Davis is expected to be inactive against the Bulls on Wednesday night.

4 months ago – via Twitter ShamsCharania
Shams Charania: New Orleans Pelicans star Anthony Davis is expected to miss 1-to-2 weeks with a left finger sprain.

5 months ago – via Twitter Jim_Eichenhofer
Jim Eichenhofer: Alvin Gentry on if Anthony Davis (illness) will be able to play tonight vs. Lakers: “I hope so. We’ll know when he gets here (to the arena) and does his pregame routine.”

5 months ago – via Twitter Jim_Eichenhofer
Jim Eichenhofer: Anthony Davis was struck in the hip in a collision with Blake Griffin and walked gingerly to bench. During this timeout, he is headed with trainer to #Pelicans locker room

6 months ago – via Twitter WillGuillory
Will Guillory: Anthony Davis just checked out and headed to the locker room. He was favoring that left arm the last few trips up the court

6 months ago – via Twitter ChrisBHaynes
Chris Haynes: New Orleans forward Anthony Davis (elbow sprain) is being ruled as doubtful for tonight’s matchup at Portland.

1 year ago – via Twitter WillGuillory
Will Guillory: Pelicans have officially ruled Anthony Davis out for tonight’s game with a left ankle sprain

In comment 14443620 Sean said:

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In comment 14443607 arcarsenal said: Quote: I don't give a shit how good Anthony Davis is. If he's not on the court, he doesn't help us. Again... he's 26 years old and has already had... A shoulder problem An elbow problem Back spasms An ankle problem A hip problem You guys want to ship off one of the best prospects in recent memory so that we can talk about the suit Davis is wearing on the bench because he's hurt because we're obsessed with stuffing as many "top 5" players into the Garden as possible - be my guest. I think the Knicks would be much better off adding 2 superstars to a younger team with more flexibility. No one is denying Davis' talent. People are skeptical about his durability. It would be McDyess all over again. I can feel it, taste it, smell it.

C'mon. McDyess had just missed an entire season after knee surgery to repair a ruptured patellar tendon. Meanwhile, AD played 75 games each of the past two years (not including this one since he missed time due to the trade talks when he could've played)

and sat a bunch this year due to his trade request.

In comment 14443607 arcarsenal said:

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I don't give a shit how good Anthony Davis is. If he's not on the court, he doesn't help us. Again... he's 26 years old and has already had... A shoulder problem An elbow problem Back spasms An ankle problem A hip problem You guys want to ship off one of the best prospects in recent memory so that we can talk about the suit Davis is wearing on the bench because he's hurt because we're obsessed with stuffing as many "top 5" players into the Garden as possible - be my guest. I think the Knicks would be much better off adding 2 superstars to a younger team with more flexibility. No one is denying Davis' talent. People are skeptical about his durability.

Zion is a beast and I get your durability argument. I could go either way on that one. But assuming both Kyrie and KD on the Knicks, we are win now. Zion may need some more jumper development (that may not be year 1) . Not doubt all world talent and ONLY guy Id even remotely consider keeping over bringing in AD.

He does miss games, but he's still among the elite players in the sport and he's 26.

Zion is all hype until he plays an NBA minute. He's not LeBron James coming out of high school.

In comment 14443551 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 14443503 Anakim said: Quote: . i would hope so, twolves got dog shit for love

Say what you want, but Wiggins was still the #1 overall pick and he was EXTREMELY hyped

gets dinged up but he's never had any major injuries. He's also a fucking freak.

25-12-4-2-2 last year even though he basically mailed it in.

Premiere player at position of desperate need. Make it so!

In comment 14443620 Sean said:

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In comment 14443607 arcarsenal said: Quote: I don't give a shit how good Anthony Davis is. If he's not on the court, he doesn't help us. Again... he's 26 years old and has already had... A shoulder problem An elbow problem Back spasms An ankle problem A hip problem You guys want to ship off one of the best prospects in recent memory so that we can talk about the suit Davis is wearing on the bench because he's hurt because we're obsessed with stuffing as many "top 5" players into the Garden as possible - be my guest. I think the Knicks would be much better off adding 2 superstars to a younger team with more flexibility. No one is denying Davis' talent. People are skeptical about his durability. It would be McDyess all over again. I can feel it, taste it, smell it.

Sean you don't understand NBA basketball then. Very different dynamic to building a contender vs other sports. Miami (Bosh, Wade, Lebron) and Boston (KG, PP , RA) 2 recent examples. Stars win in this league.

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You are awfully confident about winning a title next year, can you give me specific examples about where this has worked? -Boston already had Paul Pierce in place -Miami already had Wade in place -Warriors drafted their core We are coming in a 17 win season, but AD, KD & Kyrie will lead to a title in the first year? Talk about idealistic thinking.

Boston gutted their team to build their big 3..

Miami got rid of everyone except for the big 3..

warriord had to gut their depth to add kd...

Players would flock to the knicks to ring chase with davis, kyrie and durant..

and you are not getting rid of everyone, you wouldnt trade pick, knox, frank and cap filler for davis? are you kidding me?

In comment 14443642 Dave in PA said:

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Premiere player at position of desperate need. Make it so!

Or we can just do some science experiment and combine Frank, Mudiay and DSJ

Robby Kalland
@RKalland
There are actual, tangible odds for the NBA Draft Lottery and people are betting the Knicks at +300 when the actual odds we know exist are +714.


Oh please let the lottery be rigged in our favor

In comment 14443649 Anakim said:

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In comment 14443642 Dave in PA said: Quote: Premiere player at position of desperate need. Make it so! Or we can just do some science experiment and combine Frank, Mudiay and DSJ

I'm curious what Mudiay brings to this amalgamation? Lots of minutes because of Fiz's love of the player?

I think team building is important. It still factors in. You don't just stack stars on top of eachother and win regardless of how they fit or whether or not you have depth.

A lot of these teams that are winning with stars are also getting contributions from other guys. LeBron had a lot of help from clutch shooting by guys like Miller and Battier when he was in Miami - that made a big difference for him.

I think the Nets are a losing model until they land an actual superstar player, but they're doing a lot of things right otherwise.

People simplify the NBA too much in a way where it's just "add stars, who cares where or how they fit" - but that's not always going to work. It's about how the pieces gel and where the synergy comes from. They need to gel. It's not street ball.

In comment 14443660 arcarsenal said:

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I think team building is important. It still factors in. You don't just stack stars on top of eachother and win regardless of how they fit or whether or not you have depth. A lot of these teams that are winning with stars are also getting contributions from other guys. LeBron had a lot of help from clutch shooting by guys like Miller and Battier when he was in Miami - that made a big difference for him. I think the Nets are a losing model until they land an actual superstar player, but they're doing a lot of things right otherwise. People simplify the NBA too much in a way where it's just "add stars, who cares where or how they fit" - but that's not always going to work. It's about how the pieces gel and where the synergy comes from. They need to gel. It's not street ball.

your Miami example proves nygiants16's point though. Miller and Battier went to Miami to chase rings as role players. Those guys will be able and willing to join the Knicks if things fall this way.

You got lucky enough to draft a star. Of the full NBA All Star rosters from this past year, the majority were top 10 picks and only a handful went outside the lottery. This isn't baseball, where kids kick around the minors for five or six years before they even sniff the bigs. Yeah you develop role players, but you win by drafting or acquiring elite players. If they draft Zion and he powers them to a top 5 finish in the East, it won't be because their scouting and development are superior, it will because they were lucky.

In comment 14443660 arcarsenal said:

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I think team building is important. It still factors in. You don't just stack stars on top of eachother and win regardless of how they fit or whether or not you have depth. A lot of these teams that are winning with stars are also getting contributions from other guys. LeBron had a lot of help from clutch shooting by guys like Miller and Battier when he was in Miami - that made a big difference for him. I think the Nets are a losing model until they land an actual superstar player, but they're doing a lot of things right otherwise. People simplify the NBA too much in a way where it's just "add stars, who cares where or how they fit" - but that's not always going to work. It's about how the pieces gel and where the synergy comes from. They need to gel. It's not street ball.

We can get all 3 guys and still have a rotation of:

Jordan
AD
Durant
Dotson
Kyrie

Mitch
Trier
Frank
Vet 1
Vet 2

and some of you guys can see it happening.

You're up there in the clouds,spray painting NYK on 747's

In comment 14443657 Anakim said:

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Robby Kalland @RKalland There are actual, tangible odds for the NBA Draft Lottery and people are betting the Knicks at +300 when the actual odds we know exist are +714. Oh please let the lottery be rigged in our favor

Normally I'd say thats fishy, but the NY metro bets more than any other market by far. Lots of Knicks fans adding a little extra stake into tonight.

you have to at least wonder how Zion's 300-pound body will hold up. Basketball players of all shapes and sizes get hurt - it's a brutal sport.