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NFT: Knicks/NBA Chat, 5/14. IT'S LOTTERY DAY!

SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/14/2019 7:02 am
About 13 1/2 hours or so from now, we'll know where the ping pong have landed. As most know, the Knicks, Cavs, & Suns all have the same odds of winning the Zion sweepstakes @ 14 % each. The worse case for the Knicks is they end up with the 5th pick, but that's not going to happen. Think positively.

Going to be a long day at work looking @ the clock. Beer in the man cave fridge is cold & ready to be consumed.
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RE: How are the Lakers the logical favorite for AD?  
Giantz_comeback : 5/14/2019 9:21 pm : link
In comment 14444112 Chris684 said:
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The Knicks still hold the better pick.


In what the Pels apparently feel is a 3 player draft
RE: RE: RE: RE: Plenty of reasons #3 is very valuable  
mfsd : 5/14/2019 9:21 pm : link
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but none of them change the fact this is a total kick in the balls



How? It’s called a lotto. Anything can happen. We could have slid further down. We didn’t get lucky tonight but it could have been worse. And if this was last year likely the same outcome even with the changes.

Some of you actually expected the first pick? The fuck is wrong with you. You were just asking to be disappointed since the odds were against it. The odds basically said 3 and that’s what happened.




Oh get off your high horse. I didn’t expect a thing. Knicks fans hoping for the first pick are disappointed about picking 3rd. It’s called being a fan.

As I said, #3 is plenty valuable. Doesn’t mean it isn’t a bummer we didn’t get 1.

Assuming your a Knicks fan, you wouldn’t agree?



Of course I was disappointed but some are going bananas and acting almost surprised. And the usual doom and gloom woe is us talk. It’s Just old that’s all.


No surprise from me, at this point I expect the Knicks to lose at everything. Just let myself get my hopes up.

As others have said, the gap between 3 and 4 is huge this year, that’s a big win in the end.
Barrett can't shoot  
Greg from LI : 5/14/2019 9:22 pm : link
He'll have to be ball-dominant to be effective and if the Knicks did sign Durant, that ain't happening.
Didn't see Zion's reaction...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/14/2019 9:22 pm : link
But Simmons & Rusillo said he didn't seem, uh, thrilled.

Can someone confirm this?
Oh shit also re: Barrett  
ChaChing : 5/14/2019 9:23 pm : link
you get a solid defender on day 1. That constantly goes unmentioned for some reason, but his 1-on-1 D, help etc is already very very good. Huge if you get KD / KI for sure
Didn’t Barrett score more points  
Carl in CT : 5/14/2019 9:23 pm : link
Than any freshman in ACC history?
RE: Didn't see Zion's reaction...  
Anakim : 5/14/2019 9:23 pm : link
In comment 14444129 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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But Simmons & Rusillo said he didn't seem, uh, thrilled.

Can someone confirm this?


Even so, what's he going to do? Demand a trade? They're not gonna grant it to him. Shit, Steph Curry didn't want to go to Golden State, but they still took him...in front of us...and he learned to love it.
RE: Gotta admit. This made me laugh:  
latichever : 5/14/2019 9:24 pm : link
In comment 14444051 Anakim said:
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Thanks I sent it to my two Knick fan sons. Scattered somewhere in America.
I’m not sold on Memphis  
Carl in CT : 5/14/2019 9:24 pm : link
Taking Ja. Isn’t Conley their best player?
Zion looked horrified  
GMEN46 : 5/14/2019 9:24 pm : link
Imagine having Lakers and Knicks and top 4 with Memphis and New Orleans. Going into the night knicks and lakers were probably his #1 and #2 if can pick and memphis and NOLa were prob the 2 least desired.
RE: Oh shit also re: Barrett  
Greg from LI : 5/14/2019 9:25 pm : link
In comment 14444131 ChaChing said:
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you get a solid defender on day 1. That constantly goes unmentioned for some reason, but his 1-on-1 D, help etc is already very very good. Huge if you get KD / KI for sure


Which is why Culver or Hunter probably fit the Knicks better if KD/KI come to town, because they're both better defenders than Barrett. Barrett is solid on D, Culver and Hunter are elite.
RE: I’m not sold on Memphis  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/14/2019 9:25 pm : link
In comment 14444135 Carl in CT said:
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Taking Ja. Isn’t Conley their best player?


Conley deserves to go to a contender. One of the most under appreciated players over the last 10ish years.

I know they’re hyping his mentorship but they should trade him.
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threeofakind33 : 5/14/2019 9:25 pm : link
Memphis has almost traded Conley each of the last three seasons. He isn’t stopping them from Morant if he ends up higher on their board.
I wanna like RJ, I really do...  
bceagle05 : 5/14/2019 9:26 pm : link
but we have a lot of poor shooters on this team already. He can help us, but I'd be shopping this pick pretty hard if I'm the Knicks.
RE: Didn’t Barrett score more points  
Greg from LI : 5/14/2019 9:26 pm : link
In comment 14444132 Carl in CT said:
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Than any freshman in ACC history?


Rather inefficiently
Conley is 31.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/14/2019 9:26 pm : link
& Grizz have been shopping him forever.

I'd be shocked if they passed on Morant.
RE: I’m not sold on Memphis  
Anakim : 5/14/2019 9:26 pm : link
In comment 14444135 Carl in CT said:
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Taking Ja. Isn’t Conley their best player?

He's also 32 and they've been shopping him
Or as Steve Somers just said.  
latichever : 5/14/2019 9:27 pm : link
“The players that will bring the Knicks their next championship haven’t been born yet.”
Yeah, it's a bit misleading  
Anakim : 5/14/2019 9:28 pm : link
I remember RJ had like 20+ points against 'Cute, but he missed like 30 shots. Haha
Memphis  
GMEN46 : 5/14/2019 9:28 pm : link
Will trade Conley this offseason. I can see pacers being a good landing spot.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Plenty of reasons #3 is very valuable  
Giantz_comeback : 5/14/2019 9:29 pm : link
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but none of them change the fact this is a total kick in the balls



How? It’s called a lotto. Anything can happen. We could have slid further down. We didn’t get lucky tonight but it could have been worse. And if this was last year likely the same outcome even with the changes.

Some of you actually expected the first pick? The fuck is wrong with you. You were just asking to be disappointed since the odds were against it. The odds basically said 3 and that’s what happened.




Oh get off your high horse. I didn’t expect a thing. Knicks fans hoping for the first pick are disappointed about picking 3rd. It’s called being a fan.

As I said, #3 is plenty valuable. Doesn’t mean it isn’t a bummer we didn’t get 1.

Assuming your a Knicks fan, you wouldn’t agree?



Of course I was disappointed but some are going bananas and acting almost surprised. And the usual doom and gloom woe is us talk. It’s Just old that’s all.



No surprise from me, at this point I expect the Knicks to lose at everything. Just let myself get my hopes up.

As others have said, the gap between 3 and 4 is huge this year, that’s a big win in the end.


Thats the key here. We got into the top 3 in basically a 3 player draft. The drop from 3 to 4 is pretty sizeable.

Barrett starting with KD and Kyrie is a strong line up. Or traded for AD.

Zion may not have wanted NO but.... for a chance to be reuinted with Barrett and Conley at PG? That's not a bad top 3.
Raps almost traded  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/14/2019 9:29 pm : link
for Conley.
At least it's clear now that the Knicks should try to get AD. And  
Jim in Hoboken : 5/14/2019 9:30 pm : link
Kyrie doesn't seem such a bad fit now.

Let's talk about Barrett for a second. I don't think he's even as athletic as a young Melo. Definitely crafty, and polished as a frosh, but that's also a knock when it comes to projecting him. He's more 6-6 than 6-8, so that makes him more of a SG, especially with KD potentially and Knox on the roster. He needs to tighten up his handle and improve his shot for sure, but time is on his side.

At least we didn't totally flame out like the Suns and Cavs.
Stephen A melting down  
Beezer : 5/14/2019 9:30 pm : link
onTwitter. Dude is unhinged.
RE: .  
Giantz_comeback : 5/14/2019 9:32 pm : link
In comment 14444140 threeofakind33 said:
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Memphis has almost traded Conley each of the last three seasons. He isn’t stopping them from Morant if he ends up higher on their board.


Memphis has been rumored to believe this is a 3 person draft.

I think Barrett goes to them for AD. The key will be if we can keep Mitch out of the deal.
RE: Didn’t Barrett score more points  
Vanzetti : 5/14/2019 9:32 pm : link
In comment 14444132 Carl in CT said:
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Than any freshman in ACC history?


People saying Barrett can't shoot have no idea what they are talking about, either because they are biased and curmugdeonly (yes, that's you Greg) or just have not watched.

Barrett IS a shooter. 22 ppg as a freshman. Can score inside, midrange and outside. If you want to say he is Carmelo, that's fair enough but I would take a nineteen year old Carmelo as the third guy alongside KD and Kyrie.
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threeofakind33 : 5/14/2019 9:32 pm : link
Going to be an unpopular opinion. Could definitely envision a scenario where even if the Knicks held it, Barrett isn’t the pick. He’s been polarizing. A lot to fall in love with, but also some things to run from. I would probably go in a different direction if I was the Knicks.
He shot 30% on 3s  
Greg from LI : 5/14/2019 9:34 pm : link
He's good around the rim, which made his overall shooting percentage acceptable, but he's a lousy outside shooter.
I’ll say it again..  
Sean : 5/14/2019 9:34 pm : link
Fans love tanking, but it’s a shit way to build a team.
RJ's FGM-FGA for certain game:  
Anakim : 5/14/2019 9:34 pm : link
Against:

Kentucky: 13-26

Eastern Michigan: 8-21

San Diego State: 5-14

Auburn: 7-20

Gonzaga: 9-25

Texas Tech: 7-22

Clemson: 5-22

Syracuse the first time around: 8-30

Louisville: 4-14

North Carolina: 10-27 and then 5-15

He did do well against Greg's Virginia Wahoos - 11-19


But some of those stats are like recent Carmelo bad...
IOW he's a scorer not a shooter  
Greg from LI : 5/14/2019 9:34 pm : link
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Shams Charania: AD still wants a trade  
dpinzow : 5/14/2019 9:34 pm : link
Shams tweeted the following:

The New Orleans Pelicans are now set up to be Zion Williamson’s franchise to lift, and No. 1 pick could ease potential trade of Anthony Davis. His stance on a trade has not changed, league sources tell @TheAthleticNBA @Stadium.

6:20 PM - 14 May 2019

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1128470257339908101
First call is to the pelicans  
nygiants16 : 5/14/2019 9:35 pm : link
second call is to the wizards and talk about beal..

RE: At least it's clear now that the Knicks should try to get AD. And  
Giantz_comeback : 5/14/2019 9:35 pm : link
In comment 14444155 Jim in Hoboken said:
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Kyrie doesn't seem such a bad fit now.

Let's talk about Barrett for a second. I don't think he's even as athletic as a young Melo. Definitely crafty, and polished as a frosh, but that's also a knock when it comes to projecting him. He's more 6-6 than 6-8, so that makes him more of a SG, especially with KD potentially and Knox on the roster. He needs to tighten up his handle and improve his shot for sure, but time is on his side.

At least we didn't totally flame out like the Suns and Cavs.


Dont forget how important this is: Barrett can play D. If he's a bit better than Knox offensively but can play good D thats a very good player.
Is all the Kyrie talk because of the rumors?  
KJG5173 : 5/14/2019 9:35 pm : link
Because Kemba is the better player imho. I would take Kemba over Kyrie at this stage 10 out of 10 times.
RE: Barrett can't shoot  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/14/2019 9:35 pm : link
In comment 14444127 Greg from LI said:
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He'll have to be ball-dominant to be effective and if the Knicks did sign Durant, that ain't happening.


I’m not a huge fan but Barrett’s ability to get to the hole and finish is impressive. He has great footwork and a nice touch at the rim. He can also dribble and pass well for his size and age.

His outside shooting will obviously be the key and what brings his game together but I was impressed by his finishing.
RE: IOW he's a scorer not a shooter  
nygiants16 : 5/14/2019 9:36 pm : link
In comment 14444169 Greg from LI said:
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I like barrett but this is exactly rught, he is guy that needs the ball, he is james harden without the 3 point shot yet..

he could give you 10 assists 1 night next nigyt 2 assists
RE: Shams Charania: AD still wants a trade  
Giantz_comeback : 5/14/2019 9:36 pm : link
In comment 14444170 dpinzow said:
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Shams tweeted the following:

The New Orleans Pelicans are now set up to be Zion Williamson’s franchise to lift, and No. 1 pick could ease potential trade of Anthony Davis. His stance on a trade has not changed, league sources tell @TheAthleticNBA @Stadium.

6:20 PM - 14 May 2019

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1128470257339908101


Barrett is a pretty good fit on that team. This has a legit chance of happening.
Well yeah, I mean I'd rather have Barrett than Knox. Haha  
Anakim : 5/14/2019 9:37 pm : link
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RE: Is all the Kyrie talk because of the rumors?  
robbieballs2003 : 5/14/2019 9:38 pm : link
In comment 14444175 KJG5173 said:
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Because Kemba is the better player imho. I would take Kemba over Kyrie at this stage 10 out of 10 times.


No, it is because him and KD are close. If you want KD then you don't tell him who tge second guy is. KD chooses otherwise he doesn't come. That is the thought process. I go with whoever KD wants. With that said, if it were up to me then I go Kemba too.
RE: Shams Charania: AD still wants a trade  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/14/2019 9:38 pm : link
In comment 14444170 dpinzow said:
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Shams tweeted the following:

The New Orleans Pelicans are now set up to be Zion Williamson’s franchise to lift, and No. 1 pick could ease potential trade of Anthony Davis. His stance on a trade has not changed, league sources tell @TheAthleticNBA @Stadium.

6:20 PM - 14 May 2019

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1128470257339908101


I wish I knew how to post GIFs/was somewhat sober so I could post that photo of Dr. Evil asking Scott for a hug.
What about Hachimura?  
widmerseyebrow : 5/14/2019 9:38 pm : link
Know nothing about college bball this year outside the top 3. Is he worth the risk assuming Durant Kyrie?
RE: RE: Oh shit also re: Barrett  
ChaChing : 5/14/2019 9:38 pm : link
In comment 14444138 Greg from LI said:
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you get a solid defender on day 1. That constantly goes unmentioned for some reason, but his 1-on-1 D, help etc is already very very good. Huge if you get KD / KI for sure


Which is why Culver or Hunter probably fit the Knicks better if KD/KI come to town, because they're both better defenders than Barrett. Barrett is solid on D, Culver and Hunter are elite.

Sure, they might be better on D. But Barrett is much better ball in hand, be it running an O or a break. So that plus the D is likely why he's consistently the higher prospect. I can also see Barrett having more immediate value & a better fit on day 1 w/ the FAs because of that balance - b4 those 2 as much as I like them. Even tho all are close and any could be the best of the group in a few years
I didn’t want the 3rd pick! I said it four times!  
Hsilwek92 : 5/14/2019 9:39 pm : link


This Draft Lottery is horseshit!
So what would the AD deal be then?  
Greg from LI : 5/14/2019 9:39 pm : link
Barrett, Robinson and picks?
Whos offer is better than ours?  
Giantz_comeback : 5/14/2019 9:40 pm : link
Barrett, DSJ (which would allow them to trade Connely if they want to), Knox, Frank (for cap purposes) and a Dal FRP, and Knick future first round pick.
Think about it, it could have been the Lakers. ESPN could be  
Jim in Hoboken : 5/14/2019 9:40 pm : link
showing LeBron's live shoutout to Zion on instagram right now.

I feel bad for the Pelicans, so that eases the sting of not getting Zion. As a Knicks fan, though, I always knew we weren't getting the first.

DSJ, Frank, Knox, Trier, and 2 #1's for AD. Gotta hold onto Mitch somehow.
Barrett is 18 Years Old  
Samiam : 5/14/2019 9:40 pm : link
He has tremendous talents and can improve where he needs to. Btw, somebody compared him to Melo. When in Melo’s entire career, did he play defense? That’s a crazy comparison
That's great news on AD.  
bceagle05 : 5/14/2019 9:40 pm : link
Thank you, Shams.
I’d love to get beal  
Italianju : 5/14/2019 9:40 pm : link
It no sure WAS would move him. They should but they are a weird franchise. HE would be a great fit with KD and Kyrie as long as he is ok assuming the klay role.
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