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With 17th Pick in the 1995 NFL Draft the NY Giants select...

djstat : 5/14/2019 12:50 pm
Tyrone Wheatley, RB, University of Michigan.

What were your thoughts on this pick? I remember being excited. Mostly because had he come out in '94 he probably would have been a top 5 pick. His senior year was not as strong.

The internet was in its infancy and word on the bulletin boards at the time was Reeves wanted Rashaan Salaam and lost a power struggle with Young. Wheatley came into camp late after a contract holdout. I remember meeting Reeves at training camp at Farleigh Dickinson that year and asking when Wheatley would be in camp and he gave me a nasty look.

Wheatley never really got a shot with Reeves. DO you think he would have been different with a different head coach? He had a couple good seasons with Gruden in Oakland and lasted 10 seasons in the league.

Did you like the pick? Why was he a bust? Talent? Coaching?
The 1995 NFL draft  
JonC : 5/14/2019 12:53 pm : link
is what led me to BBI, in it's original form.

Wheatley apparently had a poor attitude and work ethic, and didn't do the extra he needed to excel with the Giants.
JonC answered your question on why he was a bust.  
Snacks : 5/14/2019 12:56 pm : link
I remember being VERY excited for him to join the Giants and souring on him quick when he reported out of shape. Major red flag to me.
Beyond excited  
bigblue12 : 5/14/2019 12:58 pm : link
I thought he was going to be great
Of course I was excited  
5BowlsSoon : 5/14/2019 12:59 pm : link
Up until he put on a uniform he looked the part.
If I remember correctly, he didn't have much of a work ethic  
GiantBlue : 5/14/2019 12:59 pm : link
and was in the coaches' doghouse....Reeves....

I remember worrying that Amani Toomer was in the same situation......Michigan skill player who seemed to take a few seasons to "get it" and also was in the doghouse.

Toomer made it, Wheatley didn't.
I liked this pick much better than Dayne  
ZogZerg : 5/14/2019 1:00 pm : link
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He ran too upright  
Vanzetti : 5/14/2019 1:05 pm : link
negated his size/strength
had a decent year or two with Raiders IIRC. But never was much
RE: I liked this pick much better than Dayne  
LauderdaleMatty : 5/14/2019 1:05 pm : link
In comment 14443300 ZogZerg said:
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Same. Wheatley didnít fail due to lack of ability. Dayne was the epitome of a great college player who wasnít going to cut it at the next level. The Tim Tebow version at RB. Iím todayís NFL he'd be lucky to get picked before the last day
I was puzzled.  
Big Blue Blogger : 5/14/2019 1:06 pm : link
Although Hampton was clearly wearing down, the team had needs everywhere and it was a pretty deep running back draft (e.g. Curtis Martin in the third round). Besides, the NFL was rapidly becoming a passing league. Unfortunately, George Young never seemed to get that memo.
I was pumped.  
x meadowlander : 5/14/2019 1:21 pm : link
I believed he would be BETTER than Hampton.

But I also thought Butch Woolfolk would be THE Giant workhorse of the 80's, and I thought Dave Young would be an All Pro, and I thought Dave Brown would prove ALL the critics wrong.

So yeah, Wheatley was one of many pieces that didn't fit from Hampton's demise until they finally realized Tiki Barber was NOT a platoon back.
Young wanted to draft Korey Stringer  
Phil in LA : 5/14/2019 1:24 pm : link
Reeves wanted Rashaan Salam and Boisture wanted Wheatley, Between the two backs, Young went with Boisture.
I read somewhere, maybe Strahan's book  
Greg from LI : 5/14/2019 1:26 pm : link
....that Wheatley didn't really like football all that much. Running track was what he really loved, but football paid well so he played it, never with any passion though.

At the time I was pumped. He was pretty awesome at Michigan and Hampton was slowing down.
Also, there was a lot of arguing about Wheatley in BBI's infancy  
Greg from LI : 5/14/2019 1:28 pm : link
Mark S. always called him "China Doll" due to his proneness to injury, which pissed some people off.
Liked the pick at the time  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 5/14/2019 2:46 pm : link
Seemed like a workhorse Giant-y RBpick. Unlike Wilson, who I didn't like.

What do I know, I liked Dayne, another Gianty pick.
RE: Liked the pick at the time  
Snacks : 5/14/2019 3:12 pm : link
In comment 14443481 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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Seemed like a workhorse Giant-y RBpick. Unlike Wilson, who I didn't like.

What do I know, I liked Dayne, another Gianty pick.


I was excited about Wilson until the fumbles. Don't want to jinx Saquon but his ball security isn't talked about enough IMO. Maybe that's because nobody else wants to jinx him either. ;)
First draft I can  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 5/14/2019 3:12 pm : link
remember watching.
RE: Liked the pick at the time  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 5/14/2019 3:13 pm : link
In comment 14443481 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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Seemed like a workhorse Giant-y RBpick. Unlike Wilson, who I didn't like.

What do I know, I liked Dayne, another Gianty pick.


I'm more excited that you are posting more. The chances of you outing yourself as Dupe furhter increase by every post.
RE: JonC answered your question on why he was a bust.  
jnoble : 5/14/2019 4:16 pm : link
In comment 14443293 Snacks said:
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I remember being VERY excited for him to join the Giants and souring on him quick when he reported out of shape. Major red flag to me.


Yeah, if I remember he pulled a muscle in his ass his first day of camp when he finally showed up

His nickname in the lockerroom was "Enigma" because he was such a standoffish weirdo towards everyone else

didn't care for the pick  
bluepepper : 5/14/2019 4:41 pm : link
only because I loved Hampton and probably was in denial that he was nearing the end after only 5 or so years.

I hated Wheatley when he was here. Total east-west runner. Drove me nuts. Then I saw him play with Oakland. Power right up between the tackles. Like what? I recall reading something where he made a crack about Reeves or Fassel or both always using him on sweeps so the defense knew what was coming when he got the ball.

I don't usually give credence to the "guy was not used right" complaints but in this case I came to believe there was something to it.

The fact that he became a coach hardens me in that regard. The lazy underachiever types don't usually go into coaching. And most busts don't last 10 years in the league. Add to that that we know Reeves didn't want him and maybe it was more us than him.
but he wasn't all that good in that 10 year career  
Greg from LI : 5/14/2019 4:46 pm : link
He had one very good year in Oakland, but for the rest of his career he was the same underachiever he was for the Giants.
Joel Buchsbaum  
RAIN : 5/14/2019 4:50 pm : link
Didnít like him because of his lack of lateral agility.. that soured me on him. He had speed, but no wiggle.
Got off to a bad start as a "professional" with NYG  
Jimmy Googs : 5/14/2019 5:05 pm : link
and for numerous reasons/circumstances never really recovered. Giants also had other options at RB during his term here so that was not beneficial to him either.

Couple decent years in Oakland but whatever.

More of an example of why team's don't need to necessarily pick running backs early in drafts...

I used to love to parody  
Daniel in MI : 5/14/2019 6:22 pm : link
Him because every year he cane in and said ďNow I know whatI gotta do, now Iím ready to do what they want...Ē but it never happened.
Because f the Coach ????  
louinma : 5/14/2019 7:48 pm : link
He cked from the get go. No coach could make a difference.
Lou
I liked the pick  
Les in TO : 5/14/2019 9:16 pm : link
But he didnít put in the work needed to be great unlike his good friend Charles way who worked overtime
Loved the pick, mostly because of the school - U Michigan -  
BlueLou'sBack : 5/15/2019 12:31 am : link
thought we picked another Ron Johnson. Wow couldn't a been more wrong. Bum.
He had name recognition which at the  
St. Jimmy : 5/15/2019 5:56 am : link
time was good enough for me to be fine with the pick. I probably hadn't seen more than 1 or 2 of his games so I had no idea about him as a player.
Don't foget...He had a 10 year career and ran for almost 5,000 yards  
JohnB : 5/15/2019 6:51 am : link
He did okay in the NFL.
I thought I remember hearing a story  
I Love Clams Casino : 5/15/2019 8:01 am : link
that Wheatley became miffed when he heard that Mara, or somebody in the F.O. was reportedly "not happy" with the pick.

I remember watching him play and thinking "he's not putting in 100%, more like 80%"

Once he was traded to Oakland, he put forth 100%...it was like night and day, problem was at that point, he was out of shape.

The guy ruined his own career because of his attitude. He could have been great.
12 year old me loved the pick...  
Dunedin81 : 5/15/2019 8:22 am : link
I used to go to the draft every year, before it became the circus it is today.
I canít quite remeber  
giantsFC : 5/15/2019 9:52 am : link
I think I felt surprised at a waste pick but also the name notoriety was acceptable.

But boy did he stink.

RE: Also, there was a lot of arguing about Wheatley in BBI's infancy  
Paulie Walnuts : 5/15/2019 4:01 pm : link
In comment 14443343 Greg from LI said:
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Mark S. always called him "China Doll" due to his proneness to injury, which pissed some people off.

I recall the China Doll deal.. he sucked
RE: Loved the pick, mostly because of the school - U Michigan -  
Lurts : 5/15/2019 9:19 pm : link
In comment 14444324 BlueLou'sBack said:
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thought we picked another Ron Johnson. Wow couldn't a been more wrong. Bum.


We picked another Butch Woolfolk, actually.
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