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| 5: Darius Slayton – Auburn – 6’1/190 Grade: 79 Summary: Fourth year junior entry. Slayton arrived at Auburn as an accomplished high school track athlete and enters the NFL with a very high ceiling. His speed and burst are functional and usable on the field, he is much more than a track athlete. He consistently averaged near-20 yards per catch over his career and displayed dominant stretches against SEC cornerbacks.. He is a deep threat who will make a defense account for him at all times. While there are limitations to his game underneath and at the point of attack, this kind of deep threat and ability to extend plays after the catch is worth the risk. Boom or bust. *I am taking a chance on Slayton, I simply have too many plus game notes over the past two seasons to ignore it. The Auburn offense is difficult to scout as it could create numerous false opportunities but at the same time it may prevent a guy like Slayton from really showing everything he can do. I love the way he moves and his worst case may be a Ted Ginn caliber vertical threat. NFL Comparison: Ted Ginn / NO |
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| Appealing small-school wideout with the size and athleticism that helps him stand-out when the tape is rolling. He's a springy leaper with a wide catch radius who snares balls outside his frame or goes up and over cornerbacks to bring it in. His routes are upright and dull and won't create much NFL separation, but his outstanding testing numbers show he has the ability to play faster and quicker for teams willing to stash and coach him. White is a developmental prospect with a plus ceiling if the coaching clicks with him. |
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Tate was like 89th in the league in yards per reception. He's been under 11 yards a catch in back-to-back years. He's not the guy he was when he first went to Detroit.
His game has always been about run-after-the-catch
He was top 10 among WRs in YAC - in 2018
He can lead the league in YAC, but if he's getting less than 11 yards a clip, he's basically competing with Barkley for dump offs. That's no way to construct an offensive.
The Giants have plenty to prove in the vertical game.
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in a lot of ways it appears Shurmur has recreated a similar group to his 2017 Vikings. QB is better, RB is better as long as Barkley is healthy, and WR/OL groups are both comparable.
Yes they lost a huge gamebreaker and unique talent in OBJ. But his rare talents just never translated to this offense being able to sustain success. That's not his fault, that's mostly the organization's fault, but it doesn't change the reality. His talent loss was great and we'll see fewer highlight reel plays, but it's uncertain how much that will impact overall offensive production.
Coleman, Engram, and Latimer are all various levels of interesting as well - especially the first 2. Engram's YPC last year was almost 13 and had the 4th most YAC yards of all TE's despite missing time. For his career Coleman's YPC is about the same, which is certainly less impressive as a WR but his return ability has clearly evidenced some explosiveness. Both are just 24 years old and were first round draft picks for a reason - they are top notch athletes for their position. They each have an opportunity to step up in a bigger role.
Latimer had the highest YPC (17) on the team last year in very limited time and has the highest career YPC on the team at almost 14. He's also got good size and ST ability. He's hung around the league for a couple extra years compared to the other 2 so it's fair to wonder if he will ever break out though.
You think the Giants WR's (Tate and Shepard at least) are comparable to Diggs and Thielen?
Cook obviously missed most of 2017, but i think Barkley > McKinnon and Murray, though McKinnon a really good receiver.
Rudolph and Engram may be a wash receiving the ball, though most probably take Rudolph as a more complete TE.
But I'm not sure Tate and Shepard are close to Diggs and Thielen
Today we'd obviously take the Minny duo today over Tate/Shep because it's 2 guys in their respective primes vs. 1 prime/1 perhaps end of prime. But if Tate has a solid year in the aggregate I think they should end up statistically comparable to the Minny duo in 2017 (combined ~150 receptions, 2000 yards, 12 tds). Our duo wasn't far off that last year even with Tate's production falling off post-trade and Shepard riding backseat to OBJ. All 4 players are stylistically comparable in their ability to flex either outside or in the slot.
Rudolph had 57 recepts for 550 yards in 2017 - which Engram outgained last year in 5 less games. Certainly not as complete of a player, but in the receiving department overall I think the 2017 Vikings comparable isn't far off (unless Tate goes over the cliff).
To that offense, without Odell, we add Golden Tate, Kevin Zeitler and Mike Remmers. And to those defenses we lose Olivier Vernon but we add Markus Golden, Dexter Lawrence, Oshane Ximines, DeAndre Baker, Antoine Bethea, Jabrill Peppers, and Julian Love. This team is deeper, younger, faster and deeper. We're not there yet, but we're far far closer than we were than when we fired McAdoo and Reese. The arrow is pointing up, like it or not.
I'm not sure if Tate can sustain the pace he was on pre-trade last year or if Shepard is capable of that big of a breakout, though I do expect him to increase his production at least modestly with more targets. But I do suspect Shurmur is trying to build an offense in the mold of what won him assistant of the year in 2017.
Barkley is going to be the main focus for any defense weekly can the new guy Tate, Engram at TE, Shepard really become something close to what OBJ brought to the field very big question? Everyone one else are today JAG on this roster will any of them take a major step forward that’s hard to say yes. The problem is that we’re being told it’s not a rebuild but if this is not a rebuild I would really hate to see one. This is a team without direction now and in the future because they believe they are better than the record shows but lost most of the players to say we have skilled players.
Case Keenum 2017 = 67%, 7.4 yards per completition, 22 td, 7 int
Eli Manning 2018 = 66%, 7.5 yards per completition, 21 td, 11 int
The question isn't what OBJ brought to the field, it's can they do what's asked of them in Shurmur's offense? Shurmur is likely running a lot of what he ran extremely successfully in 2017, that is what got him the job in the first place. The moves they've made this offseason - including signing his old RT Remmers, adding a quality RG, and a 2nd WR flexible to play both slot and outside - indicate that's his plan for this upcoming year. Will it work? No idea. But it doesn't seem illogical. From a talent standpoint it seems possible. That unit ended up ranked 10th in the NFL, 7th in rush yards and 11th in passing yards. For reference, last year we were also 11th in passing yards and 24th in rush yards, 17th overall.
The 2017 vikings also had the #1 defense in the NFL, which is obviously a totally separate story.
To that offense, without Odell, we add Golden Tate, Kevin Zeitler and Mike Remmers. And to those defenses we lose Olivier Vernon but we add Markus Golden, Dexter Lawrence, Oshane Ximines, DeAndre Baker, Antoine Bethea, Jabrill Peppers, and Julian Love. This team is deeper, younger, faster and deeper. We're not there yet, but we're far far closer than we were than when we fired McAdoo and Reese. The arrow is pointing up, like it or not.
If there was a standing ovation button, I’d click it
Small addition: Golden Tate, and his skillset, is perfect for Shurmur’s offense ... people assume he’s in decline because he got traded mid season (on pace for 1000+ yards) and didn’t light it up in a new offense behind 3 other options in the pass game.
He’s still a very good WR, although I expect WR to be in 1st/2nd round consideration next year. Plug a hole or 2 in free agency with some “splash” signings and then draft offense heavy next year.
Time to build the young core around Daniel Jones. Tate is an excellent placeholder for now (he’ll be cut in 2 years)
It is amazing how obsessed you are with me. The internet name calling, the trolling, the fact that for some reason you are convinced I’m a previous poster you clearly disliked despite the fact I’ve never had an account on here before - just been reading the site for a long time and know the “lingo” ... you’re a treasure.
Come up with 5 better G tandems better than the Giants yet, with objective measurable supporting evidence? Looking forward to it.
Seems like Hernandez/Zeitler would’ve graded as well/better than all of the examples you provided ... keep trying though. Or just name call more behind your computer - like well-adjusted adults do. Have a great day! Go Giants!
You can have a well thought out counterpoint if you’d like, because the objective measurable data doesn’t support your claims that the Giants G tandem isn’t 1 of the best in the league with the capability of being the best in the league. It already is 1 of the best, and if Hernandez improves, it will be the best G tandem
PFF’s garbage > “Zeitler’s never been all pro and Zach Martin is so good that whoever the Cowboys start at the other guard will be better ... and then here’s the Saints tandem who isn’t as good [it’s their tackles that are excellent] and the Browns have an unknown but they traded Zeitler so there’s are automatically better and ... dupe. Yeah, dupe!”
Keep it coming. I’ll continue to make claims and support my opinions with measurable data and/or direct observation. You continue to ... do whatever it is you do.
Zeitler and Hernandez are1 of the best G tandems in the NFL - Have a lovely day!
To that offense, without Odell, we add Golden Tate, Kevin Zeitler and Mike Remmers. And to those defenses we lose Olivier Vernon but we add Markus Golden, Dexter Lawrence, Oshane Ximines, DeAndre Baker, Antoine Bethea, Jabrill Peppers, and Julian Love. This team is deeper, younger, faster and deeper. We're not there yet, but we're far far closer than we were than when we fired McAdoo and Reese. The arrow is pointing up, like it or not.
Goddamn you're making so much sense lately it's scary. Maybe it's just because I agree with you wholeheartedly. LOL
To that offense, without Odell, we add Golden Tate, Kevin Zeitler and Mike Remmers. And to those defenses we lose Olivier Vernon but we add Markus Golden, Dexter Lawrence, Oshane Ximines, DeAndre Baker, Antoine Bethea, Jabrill Peppers, and Julian Love. This team is deeper, younger, faster and deeper. We're not there yet, but we're far far closer than we were than when we fired McAdoo and Reese. The arrow is pointing up, like it or not.
Except that they had the same offensive last year with a talent like Beckham, and they were exceedingly average. If your argument is that Tate will do better in this system than Beckham would, you're crazy. There are reasons why Tate is on his fourth team, and top of the list is that teams see more value with other players.
Pointing to games last year don't help your cause. Washington started Mark Sanchez, who threw a pick six and then let Barkley run all over them. Our top receiver that game was Engram with 77 yards. You wave your hand at scoring 0 against the 9-7 Titans and don't mention that the Cowboys didn't even play Elliot that game. They lost the Colts game.
The defense being good is predicated on a whole bunch of rookies being able to play day one.
Except that they had the same offensive last year with a talent like Beckham, and they were exceedingly average. If your argument is that Tate will do better in this system than Beckham would, you're crazy. There are reasons why Tate is on his fourth team, and top of the list is that teams see more value with other players.
3/5's of the OL is different (all 3 are upgrades) and the 2 remaining starters are in year 2 vs. year 1.
So they downgraded from OBJ ---> Tate.
Upgraded the overall OL.
So not the same offense. And while they were exceedingly average they scored more points than the rest of the division - which we'd all sign for on the spot right now probably.
We've got a couple of guys with enough speed to take the top off of a defense. Their hands could be an issue, but not their speed. Regardless, no one WR is going to replace Beckham's production. It's going to take a team effort, and no doubt that's what the Giants are counting on.
Thing about Shepard and Tate - they are both very good and importantly interchangable. Will be very difficult to predict how they'll be used on each play. With respect to WR type production - you have categorize Engram as a WR. Barkley is a very receiver out of the backfield same-same Gallman. And, they have two wrs who can take the top of a defense in Coleman and Slayton.
again, not worried at all about the position this year or next