Remember there is no contact allowed in practice yet. I am hoping that O'Hagan was just overlooked because of his height and level of competition. He is definitely a very interesting UDFA signing. Hopefully he is the next Seubert.
since I found out we picked him up. He's fierce and plays with that exceptional football mentality that is ingrained in some players. He's a keeper and we were lucky to get him
The Giants have two young centers to keep an eye on Â
Evan Brown and James O'Hagan have the potential to surprise. I am excited to see how both do in the preseason. I hope Brown has added some muscle this offseason. I would love to see both win backup spots by beating out Pulley.
in the earlier O'Hagan thread, the PFF grades (which folks around here know I've never respected) don't seem to take into account who SUNY Buffalo was playing (Delaware State, Temple, Akron, Bowling Green, Northern Illinois, Kent State, Toledo, Colgate, etc).
He may surprise, but let's seem him play against NFL-caliber players first.
Height is the least important size measurable for a center Â
What was his arm length and hand size?
p.s.--as for height, he was measured closer to 6'2" than 6'1" so I don't know why he keeps being listed at 6'1".
I have been talking about him since before the draft. Very hard worker with a mean streak, was an all state wrestler in High School and had multiple offers to wrestle at some top programs. Not the biggest but he is over 300 pounds.
Anyone remember the name of the undersized center we had Â
in the earlier O'Hagan thread, the PFF grades (which folks around here know I've never respected) don't seem to take into account who SUNY Buffalo was playing (Delaware State, Temple, Akron, Bowling Green, Northern Illinois, Kent State, Toledo, Colgate, etc).
He may surprise, but let's seem him play against NFL-caliber players first.
Eric, Sounds like he held up well vs. Lawrence in rookie camp.
in the earlier O'Hagan thread, the PFF grades (which folks around here know I've never respected) don't seem to take into account who SUNY Buffalo was playing (Delaware State, Temple, Akron, Bowling Green, Northern Illinois, Kent State, Toledo, Colgate, etc).
He may surprise, but let's seem him play against NFL-caliber players first.
^This. My guess is PS for O'Hagan. Despite those gaudy PFF grades, he wasn't even drafted. Pulley is a journeyman. My guess is Brown has the best chance to be the backup center. They carried him on the 53 for the entire season last year.
How many OL will we keep? Solder, Hernandez, Halapio, Zeitler, and Remmers are givens. Wheeler and George AA seem so as well. So Brown, Pulley, O'Hagan, and Adams are fighting for one or two spots.
in the earlier O'Hagan thread, the PFF grades (which folks around here know I've never respected) don't seem to take into account who SUNY Buffalo was playing (Delaware State, Temple, Akron, Bowling Green, Northern Illinois, Kent State, Toledo, Colgate, etc).
He may surprise, but let's seem him play against NFL-caliber players first.
Eric, Sounds like he held up well vs. Lawrence in rookie camp.
I thought those were without pads and had limited contact drills, aren't they?
I have been talking about him since before the draft. Very hard worker with a mean streak, was an all state wrestler in High School and had multiple offers to wrestle at some top programs. Not the biggest but he is over 300 pounds.
The wrestling aspect is a big reason why I am so high on O'Hagan. Stephen Neal had a long solid career at guard for NE despite not playing college football. He was a wrestler in college which taught him all about leverage.
in the earlier O'Hagan thread, the PFF grades (which folks around here know I've never respected) don't seem to take into account who SUNY Buffalo was playing (Delaware State, Temple, Akron, Bowling Green, Northern Illinois, Kent State, Toledo, Colgate, etc).
He may surprise, but let's seem him play against NFL-caliber players first.
Eric, Sounds like he held up well vs. Lawrence in rookie camp.
No one blocked anyone in mini-camp. And they won't until late July.
The only positives you can take from them is speed off the snap, hand speed/usage, and technique. I remember the coaches being very impressed with Evan Brown after the rookie camp due to his explosive punch off the snap.
RE: There isn't much to evaluate with OL and DL during these camps Â
The only positives you can take from them is speed off the snap, hand speed/usage, and technique. I remember the coaches being very impressed with Evan Brown after the rookie camp due to his explosive punch off the snap.
I think coaches can pick up how smart the players are as well (picking up assignments), but not people watching the practices.
wrestlers bring a lot to line play in the NFL because of their techniques using balance and leverage. Add quickness and size and you really have something.
Phil, I had that thought too, but should Remers get injured, do you really believe Big George is ready to start in the NFL as a 7th round rookie? Are you thinking he may beat out Chad?
It seems to me only one make the team. Since Pulley has pro experience and has started in the nfl, it certainly looks like he has the advantage.
I think two of the three will make the team. I am expecting that they go with Pulley since they gave him a 3 year deal. Brown and O'Hagan can also play guard so I think one will end up with a roster spot while they try to stash the other on the practice squad or on IR.
He may surprise, but let's seem him play against NFL-caliber players first.
p.s.--as for height, he was measured closer to 6'2" than 6'1" so I don't know why he keeps being listed at 6'1".
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He may surprise, but let's seem him play against NFL-caliber players first.
Eric, Sounds like he held up well vs. Lawrence in rookie camp.
He may surprise, but let's seem him play against NFL-caliber players first.
^This. My guess is PS for O'Hagan. Despite those gaudy PFF grades, he wasn't even drafted. Pulley is a journeyman. My guess is Brown has the best chance to be the backup center. They carried him on the 53 for the entire season last year.
How many OL will we keep? Solder, Hernandez, Halapio, Zeitler, and Remmers are givens. Wheeler and George AA seem so as well. So Brown, Pulley, O'Hagan, and Adams are fighting for one or two spots.
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in the earlier O'Hagan thread, the PFF grades (which folks around here know I've never respected) don't seem to take into account who SUNY Buffalo was playing (Delaware State, Temple, Akron, Bowling Green, Northern Illinois, Kent State, Toledo, Colgate, etc).
He may surprise, but let's seem him play against NFL-caliber players first.
Eric, Sounds like he held up well vs. Lawrence in rookie camp.
I thought those were without pads and had limited contact drills, aren't they?
The wrestling aspect is a big reason why I am so high on O'Hagan. Stephen Neal had a long solid career at guard for NE despite not playing college football. He was a wrestler in college which taught him all about leverage.
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in the earlier O'Hagan thread, the PFF grades (which folks around here know I've never respected) don't seem to take into account who SUNY Buffalo was playing (Delaware State, Temple, Akron, Bowling Green, Northern Illinois, Kent State, Toledo, Colgate, etc).
He may surprise, but let's seem him play against NFL-caliber players first.
Eric, Sounds like he held up well vs. Lawrence in rookie camp.
No one blocked anyone in mini-camp. And they won't until late July.
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not allowed
And they weren't playing full-speed, right?
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there was no contact/blocking in mini camp
not allowed
And they weren't playing full-speed, right?
Up front? You can't play full speed if you are not allowed to wear pads and hit.
I think coaches can pick up how smart the players are as well (picking up assignments), but not people watching the practices.
We shall see. All he's done is dominate - hopefully it translates. If there's an UDFA that warrants legit optimism, it's O'Hagan
I know it's cool to hate on PFF, but I like the way they evaluate OL play.
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Phil, I had that thought too, but should Remers get injured, do you really believe Big George is ready to start in the NFL as a 7th round rookie? Are you thinking he may beat out Chad?
I think two of the three will make the team. I am expecting that they go with Pulley since they gave him a 3 year deal. Brown and O'Hagan can also play guard so I think one will end up with a roster spot while they try to stash the other on the practice squad or on IR.