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Giantsfan79 : 5/14/2019 8:51 pm
1B/DH from the A's. In exchange for cash or a player to be named later. Morales was designated for assignment by the Athletics yesterday, so it'll likely be just cash.
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That  
mitch300 : 5/14/2019 8:58 pm : link
Makes no sense. We have enough DH players.
Wonder  
Beer Man : 5/14/2019 9:07 pm : link
if it a sign that Stanton is not near ready.
Morales is a left-handed hitter  
GeofromNJ : 5/14/2019 9:08 pm : link
Bird is not coming back any time soon.
RE: That  
Hsilwek92 : 5/14/2019 9:17 pm : link
In comment 14444032 mitch300 said:
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Makes no sense. We have enough DH players.


They donít have an actual caddy for Voit, just guys on the roster who can fill in. This move makes sense and, likely, costs them nothing but cash. Hey f it doesnít work out, heís cut and itís on to the next one.
Great move  
nygnyy274 : 5/14/2019 9:22 pm : link
Love it
RE: Wonder  
rich in DC : 5/14/2019 9:24 pm : link
In comment 14444079 Beer Man said:
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if it a sign that Stanton is not near ready.


It came out today that the biceps injury has healed- but he somehow got a shoulder strain while recovering. This is at least the second time that a player somehow had a second injury after the first (Severino).

Once is a coincidence, twice- it is now past time to take action on the training and medical staff- there is a MAJOR problem with these departments. While injuries are part of the game and always will be (like Andujar's injury was not preventable), the soft tissue and muscle injuries are off the charts.

Cashman has to be furious with what has transpired. At this point, the evidence is damning that the entire training and conditioning department is in crisis and has been a massive failure in preparing the team for this season.

The fact that players- under the supervision of these departments- get injured even further is just mind-boggling.

If I were Cashman, every single employee in those departments would be fired and looking for new jobs tomorrow. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different result.

It is incredible what this team has been able to achieve- and you can only wonder what would have been had the strength and conditioning department been functional.
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section125 : 5/14/2019 9:30 pm : link
In comment 14444105 Hsilwek92 said:
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Makes no sense. We have enough DH players.



They donít have an actual caddy for Voit, just guys on the roster who can fill in. This move makes sense and, likely, costs them nothing but cash. Hey f it doesnít work out, heís cut and itís on to the next one.


LeMahieu is the backup 1st baseman.

It may well be that Stanton is further away than thought.

I don't quite get it. Where does he fit? Does he take Andujar's spot?
RE: Morales is a left-handed hitter  
LauderdaleMatty : 5/14/2019 9:33 pm : link
In comment 14444080 GeofromNJ said:
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Bird is not coming back any time soon.


Ever IMO
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Del Shofner : 5/14/2019 9:35 pm : link
In comment 14444156 section125 said:
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IWhere does he fit? Does he take Andujar's spot?


Yes, I think he does, or Bird's depending on how you look at it. DJLM is also the backup 3B and not a natural 1B. Now there is a lefty hitting backup 1B who can also DH. Not expecting him to be a savior but I see the logic.
RE: RE: Wonder  
section125 : 5/14/2019 9:35 pm : link
In comment 14444136 rich in DC said:
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if it a sign that Stanton is not near ready.



It came out today that the biceps injury has healed- but he somehow got a shoulder strain while recovering. This is at least the second time that a player somehow had a second injury after the first (Severino).

Once is a coincidence, twice- it is now past time to take action on the training and medical staff- there is a MAJOR problem with these departments. While injuries are part of the game and always will be (like Andujar's injury was not preventable), the soft tissue and muscle injuries are off the charts.

Cashman has to be furious with what has transpired. At this point, the evidence is damning that the entire training and conditioning department is in crisis and has been a massive failure in preparing the team for this season.

The fact that players- under the supervision of these departments- get injured even further is just mind-boggling.

If I were Cashman, every single employee in those departments would be fired and looking for new jobs tomorrow. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different result.

It is incredible what this team has been able to achieve- and you can only wonder what would have been had the strength and conditioning department been functional.


I can agree with you that it seems strange that as one injury gets healed a secondary one appears. But one thing that just came out is that Severino thinks he hurt the lat the same time as the shoulder. Could it be that the shoulder's pain covered up the lat pain or that one caused the other???
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section125 : 5/14/2019 9:37 pm : link
In comment 14444172 Del Shofner said:
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IWhere does he fit? Does he take Andujar's spot?



Yes, I think he does, or Bird's depending on how you look at it. DJLM is also the backup 3B and not a natural 1B. Now there is a lefty hitting backup 1B who can also DH. Not expecting him to be a savior but I see the logic.


Can't argue with a lefty power bat. And he is temporary help.
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Hsilwek92 : 5/14/2019 9:49 pm : link
In comment 14444156 section125 said:
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Makes no sense. We have enough DH players.



They donít have an actual caddy for Voit, just guys on the roster who can fill in. This move makes sense and, likely, costs them nothing but cash. Hey f it doesnít work out, heís cut and itís on to the next one.



LeMahieu is the backup 1st baseman.

It may well be that Stanton is further away than thought.

I don't quite get it. Where does he fit? Does he take Andujar's spot?


Well, DJL is only the back-up Ďin case shití; not really a 1B at all. Itís possible that this means something about Stanton. If it truly is, I take solace in the fact that they didnít make some panic trade move like they love been prone to in the past. And yes, he takes Miggyís spot.
I don't see it as reflecting much on Stanton.  
Del Shofner : 5/14/2019 9:53 pm : link
I think it means Bird and Miggy are both out for the season and we needed another infielder who could play 1B and DH, and being lefty is a bonus.

When Stanton comes back he'll be in the outfield with Judge still out. I mean, he may DH some but he'll mainly take time from Frazier and Gardy.
Hell  
Hsilwek92 : 5/14/2019 9:56 pm : link
Morales hit 21 homers last year. For what will probably be just a cash transaction, Iím quite happy.
RE: That  
Mike Graves : 5/14/2019 10:00 pm : link
In comment 14444032 mitch300 said:
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Makes no sense. We have enough DH players.


He plays first he was the Aís everyday first basemen before they DFA him when Olson came back
Great pick up!  
Stan in LA : 5/14/2019 10:03 pm : link
Watch him take off.
Why do the Yankees consistently have such a bad S&T  
jgambrosio : 5/14/2019 10:08 pm : link
Program? I remember this happened like ten years ago as well, their head guy ended up having to take a job at a country club down here he was so bad.
Compensation injuries  
shyster : 5/14/2019 10:46 pm : link
happen all the time. The original injury creates a weakness and another body part sustains an injury trying to compensate.

Ceasing any kind of training isn't an answer, at some point, because everything just gets weaker, creating more potential for injury.

You can fire everybody on the training staff but you can't change human physiology. We aren't machines.
Blaming the Yankees recent injuries...  
Tesla : 5/14/2019 10:53 pm : link
on their S&C staff is another little IQ test.
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Hsilwek92 : 5/14/2019 11:05 pm : link
In comment 14444181 section125 said:
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IWhere does he fit? Does he take Andujar's spot?



Yes, I think he does, or Bird's depending on how you look at it. DJLM is also the backup 3B and not a natural 1B. Now there is a lefty hitting backup 1B who can also DH. Not expecting him to be a savior but I see the logic.



Can't argue with a lefty power bat. And he is temporary help.


Gio Urshela was once thought of as temporary help. ;)
RE: Why do the Yankees consistently have such a bad S&T  
Davisian : 5/14/2019 11:15 pm : link
In comment 14444249 jgambrosio said:
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Program? I remember this happened like ten years ago as well, their head guy ended up having to take a job at a country club down here he was so bad.


"Like 10 years ago"

RE: Blaming the Yankees recent injuries...  
rich in DC : 5/15/2019 12:49 am : link
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on their S&C staff is another little IQ test.


Poser. Trying to pass yourself off as snarky and smart- and being neither.

It would be one thing if you had Andujar types of injuries- they happen. Heck, even TJ surgery is really unpreventable. However, muscular injuries of this magnitude are a different matter. While it is true that hamstrings and other "effort" muscular injuries can and do happen, the sheer unrelenting numbers of muscular and soft tissue injuries are now past the point of coincidence.

I have seen many here defend the team saying no one spends more or is more invested in the latest and best methods. Others have pointed to bad luck. This goes beyond that.

If this were a simple matter of bad luck, we would expect to see a cluster of problems, followed by a period of health, and chalk up the injuries to misfortune.

However, the injuries continue at a magnitude that have hit no other team. Some we can excuse. Tulo is an injury waiting to happen. Same with Ellsbury and Bird. We probably could expect Loaisiga to get injured simply due to the lack of endurance built up as a SP- the further you push him, the higher the risk of injury to the arm- which is what they got.

With that said- Judge, Stanton, Severino, Chapman, Paxton, Sanchez, Hicks- these are injuries that are not in the range of expected or normal. One or two, maybe even three- and that is happenstance. But when it becomes endemic, you can no longer just blame blind luck. At some point, there needs to be a through top to bottom review of S&C. Something isn't working or the program is not properly designed.

It really doesn't matter how much you spend on a program, or how many plaudits the program design earns. If it isn't working, change is needed. The very point of sports medicine and S&C is to make changes to improve performance. If something isn't working, you stop and reassess. If the program can't find answers, you find someone else who can.
That comment..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/15/2019 12:54 am : link
isn't one of a poser. It is one made understanding sample sizes and jumping to conclusions.

Just because there is a lengthy injured list doesn't mean it is a failing of the strength and conditioning or training staff, and I doubt Cashman is furious with them, nor do I expect there to be changes made.

When you start to wonder if something is wrong is if there is a prolonged, repeated instance of similar injuries.

That's not what's going on here.

It's like when people complained about the Giants S&C staff after leading the league in injuries. Then we made a change, and two years later, we were again at the bottom of the league in injuries.
Misinformation on the trade  
Ron from Ninerland : 5/15/2019 5:20 am : link
The Yankees aren't trading cash for Morales, they are getting cash AND Morales. The A's get a player to be named.

The bad news here is that Johnny Lasagna is being moved to the 60 day.
RE: Misinformation on the trade  
Milton : 5/15/2019 6:07 am : link
In comment 14444336 Ron from Ninerland said:
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The Yankees aren't trading cash for Morales, they are getting cash AND Morales. The A's get a player to be named.
It's a combination...
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The New York Yankees acquired first baseman Kendrys Morales from the Oakland A's Tuesday night. The Yankees, who also received cash considerations, will be sending a player to be named later or cash considerations to Oakland.

If I understand correctly, he has a $12M 2019 salary of which Toronto is picking up $10M and Oakland $2M prior to trade. Can we assume that the Yankees are picking up the remainder of the $2M Oakland was paying and that the cash considerations the Yankees received were the $10M that Oakland got from Toronto? Not exactly sure how all this works, but that's what seems to make most sense to me.
RE: RE: Misinformation on the trade  
Ron from Ninerland : 5/15/2019 6:53 am : link
In comment 14444346 Milton said:
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The Yankees aren't trading cash for Morales, they are getting cash AND Morales. The A's get a player to be named.

It's a combination...

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The New York Yankees acquired first baseman Kendrys Morales from the Oakland A's Tuesday night. The Yankees, who also received cash considerations, will be sending a player to be named later or cash considerations to Oakland.


If I understand correctly, he has a $12M 2019 salary of which Toronto is picking up $10M and Oakland $2M prior to trade. Can we assume that the Yankees are picking up the remainder of the $2M Oakland was paying and that the cash considerations the Yankees received were the $10M that Oakland got from Toronto? Not exactly sure how all this works, but that's what seems to make most sense to me.
When the Yankees let Gio Gonzales go Cashman said in the NYP that the $3 million he was owed was prohibitive for a guy who might only be a relief pitcher. If they were unwilling to to spend 3 mil on Gonzales I can't believe that they're willing to spend anything on Morales. My guess is that this is a no risk Tulowitzki type deal where they're spending minimal money
My opinion  
PaulN : 5/15/2019 9:02 am : link
Is that this move may have more to do with Andujar then anything else. I would expect an announcement soon that Andujar is opting to get the surgery. It also gives the Yanks a lefty bat and backup first baseman. Once Didi is back and playing short they may need LeMahieu to be the full time third baseman if Urshella's bat goes cold. This just adds more options.
For many years Cashman  
Matt in SGS : 5/15/2019 9:09 am : link
has gone after trades for guys who were DFA'ed. Essentially, it's a low cost flier on a player who might be able to contribute as cheap depth and if you are lucky, might help you win a game or two. Morales has been a guy that Cashman has flirted with over the years as well, but it never came together. Getting a lefty with some pop for pretty much nothing is a no brainer, and if he's completely washed up, you release him.
RIP 2019 for Bird, Andujar and maybe Stanton  
Heisenberg : 5/15/2019 9:10 am : link
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RE: RIP 2019 for Bird, Andujar and maybe Stanton  
section125 : 5/15/2019 9:15 am : link
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Stanton will be back. I think Andujar is headed for surgery and Bird...well WTF knows.
If you look at Morales' underlying data  
bigbluehoya : 5/15/2019 9:16 am : link
(Fangraphs, Baseball Savant), he's been incredibly unlucky thus far in 2019.

He's in the top quartile of the league in Exit Velo / Hard Hit % / xwOBA. But just hasn't gotten the results. Stupidly low HR/FB rate, low BABIP.

But a great K-BB%.

Dropping him in a strong lineup in a park like YS is a great recipe for some production.

Given how tricky the Yankees' 25/40 man roster situation can be with injuries and etc, I tend to agree with the view that this may indicate Andujar having surgery and Stanton moving to the 60, possibly more like a post-ASB return.



It's a low-risk signing...  
Dunedin81 : 5/15/2019 9:17 am : link
maybe you capture lightning in a bottle (Maybin, for instance, has been a nice boost), or maybe you cut bait in ten days after a few ugly ABs.
RE: My opinion  
Del Shofner : 5/15/2019 9:32 am : link
In comment 14444415 PaulN said:
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Is that this move may have more to do with Andujar then anything else. I would expect an announcement soon that Andujar is opting to get the surgery. It also gives the Yanks a lefty bat and backup first baseman. Once Didi is back and playing short they may need LeMahieu to be the full time third baseman if Urshella's bat goes cold. This just adds more options.


This is my view as well.
RE: If you look at Morales' underlying data  
section125 : 5/15/2019 9:38 am : link
In comment 14444435 bigbluehoya said:
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(Fangraphs, Baseball Savant), he's been incredibly unlucky thus far in 2019.

He's in the top quartile of the league in Exit Velo / Hard Hit % / xwOBA. But just hasn't gotten the results. Stupidly low HR/FB rate, low BABIP.

But a great K-BB%.

Dropping him in a strong lineup in a park like YS is a great recipe for some production.

Given how tricky the Yankees' 25/40 man roster situation can be with injuries and etc, I tend to agree with the view that this may indicate Andujar having surgery and Stanton moving to the 60, possibly more like a post-ASB return.




I don't think Stanton has anything to do with this as others have said.
Voit's only backup was LeMahieu so know there is a LH real 1B on the team.
With Andujar gone, DJLM stays at 2B and BU 3B.
Torres and Estrada stay SS/BU 2B.

Figuring 13 pitchers:

IF: (6)
Voit
Morales
DJLM
Torres
Urshela
Estrada

C: (2)
Sanchez
Romine

OF: (4)
Hicks
Frazier
Maybin
Gardner
(Wow is that weak without Stanton and Judge)

12 Positions Players
In other news...  
Dunedin81 : 5/15/2019 10:30 am : link
Deivi Garcia is on the bump for Trenton in the matinee game this morning.
Cashman said it's because Morales is cheap  
Greg from LI : 5/15/2019 10:37 am : link
and they could use another bat while Stanton/Judge/Andujar/Didi are out. Said if Morales produces, there will still be DH ABs for him with Stanton playing RF.
Richard...  
Tesla : 5/15/2019 10:41 am : link
Since you are obviously an expert on the subject please explain to us exactly which methods the Yankees training staff or utilizing or failing to utilize and why those choices are directly leading the the Yankees injuries.

If you can't do that, then your entire argument is that the Yankees training stuff sucks because we have had a lot of injuries. But the concept which you can't seem to grasp is that correlation does not always equal causation.

I'll give you an example: did you know that the number of people who drown every year is almost directly correlated to the number of films Nicolas Cage makes? Or that the divorce rate in Maine is almost perfectly correlated to the national consumer of cheese? (All true, see the link below.) Did Nicolas Cage cause those drownings? Did the purchase of cheese cause those Maine divorces?

Also, if you were correct that that would make our GM a complete idiot for hiring and retaining our current S&C staff. This is the same guy who traded for Didi Gregorious, Aaron Hicks, and Luke Voit for essentially nothing, and is widely considered one of the smartest execs in baseball. But for some reason when it comes to our S&C staff he's the village idiot?

What's more likely, Cashman is a total moron who has no clue what he's doing, or you're taking out of your ass here? Not a hard choice there.
Cheese = Maine Divorces - ( New Window )
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Kyle in NY : 5/15/2019 11:00 am : link
At the risk of failing the IQ test, there is something strange with the Stanton situation and maybe some questions should be asked about how he ended up injuring something new while rehabbing a different injury. He's been out a month and a half after what was described as a short term injury and there's really no sign he's close to returning.

Andujar also pretty clearly was not ready to return and ran the risk of doing further damage by doing so.

Maybe we don't need to fire everyone, as Rich suggested. But it is fair to ask some questions about what the heck is going on.
RE: Richard...  
rich in DC : 5/15/2019 12:10 pm : link
In comment 14444636 Tesla said:
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Since you are obviously an expert on the subject please explain to us exactly which methods the Yankees training staff or utilizing or failing to utilize and why those choices are directly leading the the Yankees injuries.

If you can't do that, then your entire argument is that the Yankees training stuff sucks because we have had a lot of injuries. But the concept which you can't seem to grasp is that correlation does not always equal causation.

I'll give you an example: did you know that the number of people who drown every year is almost directly correlated to the number of films Nicolas Cage makes? Or that the divorce rate in Maine is almost perfectly correlated to the national consumer of cheese? (All true, see the link below.) Did Nicolas Cage cause those drownings? Did the purchase of cheese cause those Maine divorces?

Also, if you were correct that that would make our GM a complete idiot for hiring and retaining our current S&C staff. This is the same guy who traded for Didi Gregorious, Aaron Hicks, and Luke Voit for essentially nothing, and is widely considered one of the smartest execs in baseball. But for some reason when it comes to our S&C staff he's the village idiot?

What's more likely, Cashman is a total moron who has no clue what he's doing, or you're taking out of your ass here? Not a hard choice there. Cheese = Maine Divorces - ( New Window )


You are the one missing the bigger picture. You are so tied up into showing odd coincidences that you have lost sight of the forest for the trees.

As I clearly pointed out, injuries happen in baseball. Andujar's injury was just one of those things that happen. TJ surgery is just one of those things that happen. These types of injuries you chalk up to bad luck or circumstances.

What differentiates the Yanks situation from the above is the abnormally high number of muscular and soft tissue injuries- as well as the odd situations where a player ends up with one injury- and suddenly gets another. These are the sort of injuries that S&C teams are responsible for preventing, or at least minimizing, since you cannot prevent all muscular injuries.

A second set of differentiation is that these are not muscle injuries that can be defined as "effort" injuries. For example, you see hammy/groin problems pop up when a guy is busting it down the line to try and beat out an infield roller, or an OF tries to run down a fly ball in the gap. These injuries are different. These are injuries that have occurred in "normal" situations- swinging the ball, warming up pitching.

S&C's job is to properly condition players so that when they are performing their "normal" playing activities, they generally avoid injury. Injuries therefore usually happen when players over-exert or push to the limit on a play. Those overexertion issues can result in injury because you are maxing out your body's effort. Injuries should be minimal in activities that are regular.

THAT is where the problem lies. You can attempt to minimize it as "injuries happen" and drawing conclusions about injury clusters is meaningless all you want, but the reality is that what has happened is not some kind of isolated coincidence. These injuries are taking place in situations that they should not be- outside of the normal realm of where injuries usually happen. This is unusual and the Yanks front office should have good reason to be very concerned about what is going on.

Something in the S&C program has failed the players. What's done is done and they can't change that now- but it is time to find out what happened and fix it. Given that the current S&C team has had months of notice that injuries are occurring in repetition actions, not in overexertion or freak situations- and the injuries continue to show up, it should be time for Cashman to consider the option that the current S&C team cannot identify the issue and he needs to remove them, and bring in a team that can fix it.
tl;dr....allow me to summarize  
Tesla : 5/15/2019 12:14 pm : link
The Yankees have had a lot of injuries.

Someone must be to blame.

The Yankee trainers are someone.

Therefore the Yankee trainers are to blame for these injuries.

RE: tl;dr....allow me to summarize  
2cents : 5/15/2019 1:22 pm : link
In comment 14444814 Tesla said:
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The Yankees have had a lot of injuries.

Someone must be to blame.

The Yankee trainers are someone.

Therefore the Yankee trainers are to blame for these injuries.


despite your wonderful break down and brilliant analogies, I still full heartily believe they are currently and will continue to look very closely into the training staff. i would be willingly to bet a pretty penny that there will DEFINITELY be changes on some level to both the S&C staff and their programs this season.
Here's a question...  
Tesla : 5/15/2019 1:33 pm : link
unless I missed something the Yankees have not made any changes to the training staff over the last few years. So why didn't we have so many injuries in prior years?

Again, unless you can say WHAT the staff is doing wrong all you are doing is assuming correlation = causation. Which is dumb.
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arcarsenal : 5/15/2019 1:38 pm : link
I'm much closer to Rich's side on this - there's something not right in this process. Too many guys are developing new injuries while they're on the shelf and getting hurt when they aren't even playing baseball.

I can buy bad luck and circumstance here and there. Hicks has had back issues in the past, I can see that flaring up. Frazier's injury was just a baseball injury. Guys who get hit by pitches and miss time, that's part of the game. TJS... normal.

But I think we've kind of gone beyond that point here.

The Stanton situation is bizarre. His shoulder wasn't injured when he went on IL - now, that's the thing keeping him out with seemingly no timetable at all. The bicep has been healed for weeks.

The way Andujar was handled didn't seem to make much sense, either. He was clearly not healthy enough to be back up here playing every day, yet he was just kind of rushed back into the MLB lineup with barely any rehab action.

Severino got hurt out of nowhere before he even threw a ST pitch.

Judge got hurt just swinging a bat.

How did Paxton's knee wind up injured?

Loaisiga just wound up injured out of nowhere.

Something's amiss. I don't know where or what part of the process it is, but this seems, to me at least, to be beyond the "normal" injury spectrum.

Maybe I'm failing the "IQ test" here, but - this seems to go a bit beyond the "bad luck" variety.
arc....  
Tesla : 5/15/2019 1:43 pm : link
So what is the training staff doing wrong?

What changed from last year?
RE: arc....  
arcarsenal : 5/15/2019 1:49 pm : link
In comment 14444978 Tesla said:
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So what is the training staff doing wrong?

What changed from last year?


I don't have access to that information, so I can't answer those questions.

But I'd like to know why players are developing new injuries while they're rehabbing others or why they're getting hurt when they aren't even playing baseball at all.

That shouldn't be happening. Not this much.
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section125 : 5/15/2019 2:07 pm : link
In comment 14444969 arcarsenal said:
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I'm much closer to Rich's side on this - there's something not right in this process. Too many guys are developing new injuries while they're on the shelf and getting hurt when they aren't even playing baseball.

I can buy bad luck and circumstance here and there. Hicks has had back issues in the past, I can see that flaring up. Frazier's injury was just a baseball injury. Guys who get hit by pitches and miss time, that's part of the game. TJS... normal.

But I think we've kind of gone beyond that point here.

The Stanton situation is bizarre. His shoulder wasn't injured when he went on IL - now, that's the thing keeping him out with seemingly no timetable at all. The bicep has been healed for weeks.

The way Andujar was handled didn't seem to make much sense, either. He was clearly not healthy enough to be back up here playing every day, yet he was just kind of rushed back into the MLB lineup with barely any rehab action.

Severino got hurt out of nowhere before he even threw a ST pitch.

Judge got hurt just swinging a bat.

How did Paxton's knee wind up injured?

Loaisiga just wound up injured out of nowhere.

Something's amiss. I don't know where or what part of the process it is, but this seems, to me at least, to be beyond the "normal" injury spectrum.

Maybe I'm failing the "IQ test" here, but - this seems to go a bit beyond the "bad luck" variety.


Arc somewhat silly post...

Paxton is hurt often and has a balky knee. Was known. Never thrown over 160 innings.

Loaisiga is always hurt.

Judge, WTF knows. Swinging too hard, uppercut swing?

Sevy, who knows - new contract and out to earn it 1st day?

Yeah, the Stanton thing is a bit strange.

Andujar was a simple matter of he opted to try and come back through rehab instead of surgery. Probably borderline whether surgery was necessary.


How come it rains some days...  
Tesla : 5/15/2019 2:14 pm : link
yet other days are sunny?

Why does Tananka pitches really good sometimes but sometimes he's really bad?

How come Judge took 10,000 swings this year and was fine for all of them, but on his 10,001st swing he hurt himself?

I know the answer to all of these questions. Are you ready for it: sometimes shit just happens.
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arcarsenal : 5/15/2019 2:17 pm : link
Paxton never had a balky knee in Seattle - this is a brand new issue for him and wasn't part of his history.

If Loaisiga is "always hurt," maybe we should be asking why that is.

My post is silly, but your take on Judge and Severino is just "who TF knows?"

We don't know - thats the problem.
RE: How come it rains some days...  
arcarsenal : 5/15/2019 2:20 pm : link
In comment 14445031 Tesla said:
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yet other days are sunny?

Why does Tananka pitches really good sometimes but sometimes he's really bad?

How come Judge took 10,000 swings this year and was fine for all of them, but on his 10,001st swing he hurt himself?

I know the answer to all of these questions. Are you ready for it: sometimes shit just happens.


Incredibly lazy take, but if this is the answer you're satisfied arriving at - that's fine.

I will continue to be skeptical as to why players are getting hurt when they aren't even on the field or why we've continued to lose player after player since day 1 of this season at an alarming rate.

If that makes me a moron, so be it.
So if you admit you don't know...  
Tesla : 5/15/2019 2:22 pm : link
why are you blaming the Yankees trainers for all these injuries? Do you really think they use techniques different from any other team in the league.

Injurires in sports is literally a billion dollar problem. The guy who figures out how to prevent them will become an instant billionaire. Unfortunately there has yet to be a sports team to figure out how to eliminate injuries.

Look at what FMIC posted above. The Giants changed their entire S&C staff and had a great year with injures. Next year with the same staff injuries were horrific again.

Again: sometimes you slide into a base and your fine. Sometime you slide and tear your labrum. Sometimes shit just happens. Doesn't mean it's anyone's fault.
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arcarsenal : 5/15/2019 2:25 pm : link
Please show me when or where I directly blamed anyone.

Thanks.
Loaisiga's injury troubles stretch back to the Giants system  
Greg from LI : 5/15/2019 2:27 pm : link
He only ended up in the Yankees system because SF gave up on his getting healthy after he missed two entire seasons in 2014-15 and released him.

Judge is hardly the first hitter to pull an oblique swinging the bat. It's actually fairly common. The harder the swing, the more likely such a strain is. Who generates more bat speed than Aaron Judge?

Stanton and Severino are odd situations. I'll agree with those. I still think people are straining hard to assign blame for things that don't necessarily have a person to blame.
RE: .  
Tesla : 5/15/2019 2:31 pm : link
In comment 14445041 arcarsenal said:
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Please show me when or where I directly blamed anyone.

Thanks.


My apologies. I thought you were blaming the Yankees training staff for their run of injuries. Glad to see that's not the case and we're on the same page.
Regarding Paxton  
Greg from LI : 5/15/2019 2:31 pm : link
CC said something about the Yankees mound being especially hard and that it's caused him problems. Wonder if there's anything to that.
RE: Regarding Paxton  
section125 : 5/15/2019 2:39 pm : link
In comment 14445053 Greg from LI said:
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CC said something about the Yankees mound being especially hard and that it's caused him problems. Wonder if there's anything to that.


That and his 350 lbs crashing down on it!
They just need someone ...  
BronxBob : 5/15/2019 3:19 pm : link
... to flatten out home plate at the Stadium.
There's nothing..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/15/2019 3:24 pm : link
uncommon about the clustering of injuries:

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What differentiates the Yanks situation from the above is the abnormally high number of muscular and soft tissue injuries- as well as the odd situations where a player ends up with one injury- and suddenly gets another. These are the sort of injuries that S&C teams are responsible for preventing, or at least minimizing, since you cannot prevent all muscular injuries.

A second set of differentiation is that these are not muscle injuries that can be defined as "effort" injuries. For example, you see hammy/groin problems pop up when a guy is busting it down the line to try and beat out an infield roller, or an OF tries to run down a fly ball in the gap. These injuries are different. These are injuries that have occurred in "normal" situations- swinging the ball, warming up pitching.


And several of the injuries are "effort" injuries in that guys injured themselves straining to get a little extra.

I've gone over the swinging injuries before, but back strains and oblique injuries are extremely common due to the torque that is being exhibited. Guys are swinging harder than ever, which has led to increased exit velocity, but also increased injuries. It isn't a coincidence that out of the top 20 guys in average exit velocity, 14 of them have had stints on the injury list in the past two seasons.

Tesla summed it up pretty well. There are a lot of injuries so somebody has to be to blame.
And Torres drops the  
section125 : 5/15/2019 3:28 pm : link
relay and allows the run to score...took his eye off the ball.

Happ not real sharp.
RE: Cashman said it's because Morales is cheap  
Percy : 5/16/2019 11:46 am : link
In comment 14444629 Greg from LI said:
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and they could use another bat while Stanton/Judge/Andujar/Didi are out. Said if Morales produces, there will still be DH ABs for him with Stanton playing RF.

He produced at DH in his very first game as a Yankee. I say Welcome aboard!
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