IMO RJ is a willing, solid passer, but that's not his game as much atm, and something he will need to improve upon especially if he doesn't become a top scorer or just improve his J a bunch
talk, but they are not similar players. Derozan is a MUCH better offensive player then turner is, like not even in the same conversation. Turner is more your do everything ok, but nothing great kinda guy. Derozan is high level scorer who just recently started to do a better job with rebounds/assists. So are you all saying he could be Turner with better offense or Derozan with better defense? If thats the case then i get it.
I dont see Harden (obviously), but ill freely admin that Harden is one of my all time wrong calls on college to pro player. I didnt think he was going to be anywhere near this good.
On Barrett i do find a bit funny that this time last year he was the consensus number 1 pick and he went out and helped Duke to a strong year and scored the most point by an ACC freshmen in 25 years and now people are upset to get him at 3.
talk, but they are not similar players. Derozan is a MUCH better offensive player then turner is, like not even in the same conversation. Turner is more your do everything ok, but nothing great kinda guy. Derozan is high level scorer who just recently started to do a better job with rebounds/assists. So are you all saying he could be Turner with better offense or Derozan with better defense? If thats the case then i get it.
I dont see Harden (obviously), but ill freely admin that Harden is one of my all time wrong calls on college to pro player. I didnt think he was going to be anywhere near this good.
On Barrett i do find a bit funny that this time last year he was the consensus number 1 pick and he went out and helped Duke to a strong year and scored the most point by an ACC freshmen in 25 years and now people are upset to get him at 3.
Right now he is a ball dominant player, james harden has made people hate ball dominant players
talk, but they are not similar players. Derozan is a MUCH better offensive player then turner is, like not even in the same conversation. Turner is more your do everything ok, but nothing great kinda guy. Derozan is high level scorer who just recently started to do a better job with rebounds/assists. So are you all saying he could be Turner with better offense or Derozan with better defense? If thats the case then i get it.
I dont see Harden (obviously), but ill freely admin that Harden is one of my all time wrong calls on college to pro player. I didnt think he was going to be anywhere near this good.
On Barrett i do find a bit funny that this time last year he was the consensus number 1 pick and he went out and helped Duke to a strong year and scored the most point by an ACC freshmen in 25 years and now people are upset to get him at 3.
Right now he is a ball dominant player, james harden has made people hate ball dominant players
And he went to Duke. People hate guys from Duke, Zion is the exception because he is so far beyond the norm that you can't deny how good he is. (unless you are Mike Francessa)
talk, but they are not similar players. Derozan is a MUCH better offensive player then turner is, like not even in the same conversation. Turner is more your do everything ok, but nothing great kinda guy. Derozan is high level scorer who just recently started to do a better job with rebounds/assists. So are you all saying he could be Turner with better offense or Derozan with better defense? If thats the case then i get it.
I dont see Harden (obviously), but ill freely admin that Harden is one of my all time wrong calls on college to pro player. I didnt think he was going to be anywhere near this good.
On Barrett i do find a bit funny that this time last year he was the consensus number 1 pick and he went out and helped Duke to a strong year and scored the most point by an ACC freshmen in 25 years and now people are upset to get him at 3.
Right now he is a ball dominant player, james harden has made people hate ball dominant players
It's funny,people keep saying Zion is 18 & a freshman,he'll improve on areas as he gets older & gets more experience. Know what? RJ Barrett is 18 & a freshman as well. As far as being ball dominant this year,if you watched the Duke offense,it really was Zion & Barrett & when Zion was out,Barrett was their offense.Reddish was terrible this season & Jones is a nice PG but not a huge offensive threat. I know Knick fans are upset we didn't get Zion (as am I) but once the malaise dies down,they'll realize that getting the 3rd pick has enabled them to get a tremendously talented young player w/a huge upside. This draft was a 3 player top tier draft & the Knicks got one!
talk, but they are not similar players. Derozan is a MUCH better offensive player then turner is, like not even in the same conversation. Turner is more your do everything ok, but nothing great kinda guy. Derozan is high level scorer who just recently started to do a better job with rebounds/assists. So are you all saying he could be Turner with better offense or Derozan with better defense? If thats the case then i get it.
I dont see Harden (obviously), but ill freely admin that Harden is one of my all time wrong calls on college to pro player. I didnt think he was going to be anywhere near this good.
On Barrett i do find a bit funny that this time last year he was the consensus number 1 pick and he went out and helped Duke to a strong year and scored the most point by an ACC freshmen in 25 years and now people are upset to get him at 3.
No doubt to those who do this for a loving i.e. NBA GMs and scouts know this. Barrett is very high on a bunch of teams boards.
Barrett is a blue chip prospect. Which is why he holds great value in a trade too.
Lets take out the learning curve for a second amd ask this question: who is a better fit with the Knicks if Kyrie and KD come, would it be Barrett or Anthony Davis.
Just trying to get a gauge on how big a difference it would be in terms of how good the team overall would be with one or the other. Again this is not counting the learning curve (which is a big factor). I want to know if this kid reaches his ceiling is AD still a significantly better fit with KD and Kyrie?
talk, but they are not similar players. Derozan is a MUCH better offensive player then turner is, like not even in the same conversation. Turner is more your do everything ok, but nothing great kinda guy. Derozan is high level scorer who just recently started to do a better job with rebounds/assists. So are you all saying he could be Turner with better offense or Derozan with better defense? If thats the case then i get it.
I dont see Harden (obviously), but ill freely admin that Harden is one of my all time wrong calls on college to pro player. I didnt think he was going to be anywhere near this good.
On Barrett i do find a bit funny that this time last year he was the consensus number 1 pick and he went out and helped Duke to a strong year and scored the most point by an ACC freshmen in 25 years and now people are upset to get him at 3.
No doubt to those who do this for a loving i.e. NBA GMs and scouts know this. Barrett is very high on a bunch of teams boards.
Barrett is a blue chip prospect. Which is why he holds great value in a trade too.
Lets take out the learning curve for a second amd ask this question: who is a better fit with the Knicks if Kyrie and KD come, would it be Barrett or Anthony Davis.
Just trying to get a gauge on how big a difference it would be in terms of how good the team overall would be with one or the other. Again this is not counting the learning curve (which is a big factor). I want to know if this kid reaches his ceiling is AD still a significantly better fit with KD and Kyrie?
The problem is,as it's always been, how do you add 3 almost max (AD is $27 million next season) contracts??? The only scenario I saw was trading for AD in August,where the numbers somehow(I don't know how) will allow that to happen. And I've read that the Pelicans want the AD situation remedied by the draft.If that's the case, the choice is AD/KD (with the bulk of your young players/Barrett/1st round picks gone) or KD/Kyrie & your young core & 1st round picks intact.I'd choose the latter. I've only seen that one scenario to add AD/KD/Kyrie together,so if you know of another,please share!
To me, I don't see Harden at all with RJ Barrett Â
talk, but they are not similar players. Derozan is a MUCH better offensive player then turner is, like not even in the same conversation. Turner is more your do everything ok, but nothing great kinda guy. Derozan is high level scorer who just recently started to do a better job with rebounds/assists. So are you all saying he could be Turner with better offense or Derozan with better defense? If thats the case then i get it.
I dont see Harden (obviously), but ill freely admin that Harden is one of my all time wrong calls on college to pro player. I didnt think he was going to be anywhere near this good.
On Barrett i do find a bit funny that this time last year he was the consensus number 1 pick and he went out and helped Duke to a strong year and scored the most point by an ACC freshmen in 25 years and now people are upset to get him at 3.
No doubt to those who do this for a loving i.e. NBA GMs and scouts know this. Barrett is very high on a bunch of teams boards.
Barrett is a blue chip prospect. Which is why he holds great value in a trade too.
Lets take out the learning curve for a second amd ask this question: who is a better fit with the Knicks if Kyrie and KD come, would it be Barrett or Anthony Davis.
Just trying to get a gauge on how big a difference it would be in terms of how good the team overall would be with one or the other. Again this is not counting the learning curve (which is a big factor). I want to know if this kid reaches his ceiling is AD still a significantly better fit with KD and Kyrie?
The problem is,as it's always been, how do you add 3 almost max (AD is $27 million next season) contracts??? The only scenario I saw was trading for AD in August,where the numbers somehow(I don't know how) will allow that to happen. And I've read that the Pelicans want the AD situation remedied by the draft.If that's the case, the choice is AD/KD (with the bulk of your young players/Barrett/1st round picks gone) or KD/Kyrie & your young core & 1st round picks intact.I'd choose the latter. I've only seen that one scenario to add AD/KD/Kyrie together,so if you know of another,please share!
The numbers work . It just requires alot of cap maneuvering and utilization of the soft cap rules. We would need to use this 120% trade rule and take back more salary than we give up and go over the cap. We also have to pretty much shed all possible contracts over 4 million. DSJ Knox Frank waive Thomas(1mill cap hit vs 7mill). I believe we can still keep Mitch and Dotson and possibly Trier and make it work.
Media starting to pick up on Knicks being the most likely spot for AD.
- Pelicans prefer to send him to the Eastern Conference
- the prospect of pairing Zion with RJ and having their contract lengths linked together is huge. Transitioning to a small market like NO, they could depend on each other.
- a positive way to refresh their franchise with no drama
- Lonzo Ball doesn’t want to be there. Ingram health issues. Kuzma’s contract isn’t for much longer.
- Mitchell Robinson next to Zion. Mitch is from the area.
Hoping we don't need to include Mitch by subbing with Dal unprotected pick but we'll see. Also expecting we receive Pels 2nd round pick back in the deal.
i mean even if that is the case you dont want that out there. A smart team would use this is some leverage. Are the knicks a smart team these days? Jury is still out, but id love to see them show some balls and use this in their favor. Start off by taking Mitch off the table and making them choose the dallas pick or Knox. Sure you probably end up losing both, but no point in starting there. I mean if BOS knows KI is leaving and they drop out, and the Lakers are off the table, where are they trading him?
Media starting to pick up on Knicks being the most likely spot for AD.
- Pelicans prefer to send him to the Eastern Conference
- the prospect of pairing Zion with RJ and having their contract lengths linked together is huge. Transitioning to a small market like NO, they could depend on each other.
- a positive way to refresh their franchise with no drama
- Lonzo Ball doesn’t want to be there. Ingram health issues. Kuzma’s contract isn’t for much longer.
- Mitchell Robinson next to Zion. Mitch is from the area.
Hoping we don't need to include Mitch by subbing with Dal unprotected pick but we'll see. Also expecting we receive Pels 2nd round pick back in the deal.
Celtics can also put together a nice package for AD.
Yes, if the Celtics are hell-bent on getting AD, they'll get him. Â
Can't imagine they'd do it if Irving leaves though. Irving leaves, trade Tatum for AD, then AD leaves. That would be hilarious. I think AD is gonna leave New Orleans no choice but to trade him to New York.
i mean even if that is the case you dont want that out there. A smart team would use this is some leverage. Are the knicks a smart team these days? Jury is still out, but id love to see them show some balls and use this in their favor. Start off by taking Mitch off the table and making them choose the dallas pick or Knox. Sure you probably end up losing both, but no point in starting there. I mean if BOS knows KI is leaving and they drop out, and the Lakers are off the table, where are they trading him?
There is a possibility they could already be happy and confident with the package(s) we have discussed. Or even better we have pretty much come close to anp agreement.
talk, but they are not similar players. Derozan is a MUCH better offensive player then turner is, like not even in the same conversation. Turner is more your do everything ok, but nothing great kinda guy. Derozan is high level scorer who just recently started to do a better job with rebounds/assists. So are you all saying he could be Turner with better offense or Derozan with better defense? If thats the case then i get it.
I dont see Harden (obviously), but ill freely admin that Harden is one of my all time wrong calls on college to pro player. I didnt think he was going to be anywhere near this good.
On Barrett i do find a bit funny that this time last year he was the consensus number 1 pick and he went out and helped Duke to a strong year and scored the most point by an ACC freshmen in 25 years and now people are upset to get him at 3.
I think I'm the only one who said ET or DD fwiw. Sure they changed as players over time. Yes, comps are inexact, but these are apt even tho not carbon copies
DD is asked to be a #1 scorer, ET is more a do-it-all off the bench player, (and DW a HOFer - not my comp but I get it) - still good places to start predicting how RJ's NBA game develops
As I said Turner is his floor (something he might do day 1) and Derozan the ceiling...that too if RJ's range / J doesn't improve. But all are bigger wings that play inside the arc, are known to attack the rim, have a post game, a handle to push the pace & run some O tho not great playmakers, all play D, and have decent motors. So I see a fair amount of overlap even tho they're team roles aren't the same, or one is obviously more productive / just better
IMO RJ is a willing, solid passer, but that's not his game as much atm, and something he will need to improve upon especially if he doesn't become a top scorer or just improve his J a bunch
I dont see Harden (obviously), but ill freely admin that Harden is one of my all time wrong calls on college to pro player. I didnt think he was going to be anywhere near this good.
On Barrett i do find a bit funny that this time last year he was the consensus number 1 pick and he went out and helped Duke to a strong year and scored the most point by an ACC freshmen in 25 years and now people are upset to get him at 3.
I dont see Harden (obviously), but ill freely admin that Harden is one of my all time wrong calls on college to pro player. I didnt think he was going to be anywhere near this good.
On Barrett i do find a bit funny that this time last year he was the consensus number 1 pick and he went out and helped Duke to a strong year and scored the most point by an ACC freshmen in 25 years and now people are upset to get him at 3.
Right now he is a ball dominant player, james harden has made people hate ball dominant players
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talk, but they are not similar players. Derozan is a MUCH better offensive player then turner is, like not even in the same conversation. Turner is more your do everything ok, but nothing great kinda guy. Derozan is high level scorer who just recently started to do a better job with rebounds/assists. So are you all saying he could be Turner with better offense or Derozan with better defense? If thats the case then i get it.
I dont see Harden (obviously), but ill freely admin that Harden is one of my all time wrong calls on college to pro player. I didnt think he was going to be anywhere near this good.
On Barrett i do find a bit funny that this time last year he was the consensus number 1 pick and he went out and helped Duke to a strong year and scored the most point by an ACC freshmen in 25 years and now people are upset to get him at 3.
Right now he is a ball dominant player, james harden has made people hate ball dominant players
And he went to Duke. People hate guys from Duke, Zion is the exception because he is so far beyond the norm that you can't deny how good he is. (unless you are Mike Francessa)
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talk, but they are not similar players. Derozan is a MUCH better offensive player then turner is, like not even in the same conversation. Turner is more your do everything ok, but nothing great kinda guy. Derozan is high level scorer who just recently started to do a better job with rebounds/assists. So are you all saying he could be Turner with better offense or Derozan with better defense? If thats the case then i get it.
I dont see Harden (obviously), but ill freely admin that Harden is one of my all time wrong calls on college to pro player. I didnt think he was going to be anywhere near this good.
On Barrett i do find a bit funny that this time last year he was the consensus number 1 pick and he went out and helped Duke to a strong year and scored the most point by an ACC freshmen in 25 years and now people are upset to get him at 3.
Right now he is a ball dominant player, james harden has made people hate ball dominant players
It's funny,people keep saying Zion is 18 & a freshman,he'll improve on areas as he gets older & gets more experience. Know what? RJ Barrett is 18 & a freshman as well. As far as being ball dominant this year,if you watched the Duke offense,it really was Zion & Barrett & when Zion was out,Barrett was their offense.Reddish was terrible this season & Jones is a nice PG but not a huge offensive threat. I know Knick fans are upset we didn't get Zion (as am I) but once the malaise dies down,they'll realize that getting the 3rd pick has enabled them to get a tremendously talented young player w/a huge upside. This draft was a 3 player top tier draft & the Knicks got one!
I dont see Harden (obviously), but ill freely admin that Harden is one of my all time wrong calls on college to pro player. I didnt think he was going to be anywhere near this good.
On Barrett i do find a bit funny that this time last year he was the consensus number 1 pick and he went out and helped Duke to a strong year and scored the most point by an ACC freshmen in 25 years and now people are upset to get him at 3.
No doubt to those who do this for a loving i.e. NBA GMs and scouts know this. Barrett is very high on a bunch of teams boards.
Barrett is a blue chip prospect. Which is why he holds great value in a trade too.
Lets take out the learning curve for a second amd ask this question: who is a better fit with the Knicks if Kyrie and KD come, would it be Barrett or Anthony Davis.
Just trying to get a gauge on how big a difference it would be in terms of how good the team overall would be with one or the other. Again this is not counting the learning curve (which is a big factor). I want to know if this kid reaches his ceiling is AD still a significantly better fit with KD and Kyrie?
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talk, but they are not similar players. Derozan is a MUCH better offensive player then turner is, like not even in the same conversation. Turner is more your do everything ok, but nothing great kinda guy. Derozan is high level scorer who just recently started to do a better job with rebounds/assists. So are you all saying he could be Turner with better offense or Derozan with better defense? If thats the case then i get it.
I dont see Harden (obviously), but ill freely admin that Harden is one of my all time wrong calls on college to pro player. I didnt think he was going to be anywhere near this good.
On Barrett i do find a bit funny that this time last year he was the consensus number 1 pick and he went out and helped Duke to a strong year and scored the most point by an ACC freshmen in 25 years and now people are upset to get him at 3.
No doubt to those who do this for a loving i.e. NBA GMs and scouts know this. Barrett is very high on a bunch of teams boards.
Barrett is a blue chip prospect. Which is why he holds great value in a trade too.
Lets take out the learning curve for a second amd ask this question: who is a better fit with the Knicks if Kyrie and KD come, would it be Barrett or Anthony Davis.
Just trying to get a gauge on how big a difference it would be in terms of how good the team overall would be with one or the other. Again this is not counting the learning curve (which is a big factor). I want to know if this kid reaches his ceiling is AD still a significantly better fit with KD and Kyrie?
The problem is,as it's always been, how do you add 3 almost max (AD is $27 million next season) contracts??? The only scenario I saw was trading for AD in August,where the numbers somehow(I don't know how) will allow that to happen. And I've read that the Pelicans want the AD situation remedied by the draft.If that's the case, the choice is AD/KD (with the bulk of your young players/Barrett/1st round picks gone) or KD/Kyrie & your young core & 1st round picks intact.I'd choose the latter. I've only seen that one scenario to add AD/KD/Kyrie together,so if you know of another,please share!
For me, if you want an upside comparison, it's Scottie Pippen.
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talk, but they are not similar players. Derozan is a MUCH better offensive player then turner is, like not even in the same conversation. Turner is more your do everything ok, but nothing great kinda guy. Derozan is high level scorer who just recently started to do a better job with rebounds/assists. So are you all saying he could be Turner with better offense or Derozan with better defense? If thats the case then i get it.
I dont see Harden (obviously), but ill freely admin that Harden is one of my all time wrong calls on college to pro player. I didnt think he was going to be anywhere near this good.
On Barrett i do find a bit funny that this time last year he was the consensus number 1 pick and he went out and helped Duke to a strong year and scored the most point by an ACC freshmen in 25 years and now people are upset to get him at 3.
No doubt to those who do this for a loving i.e. NBA GMs and scouts know this. Barrett is very high on a bunch of teams boards.
Barrett is a blue chip prospect. Which is why he holds great value in a trade too.
Lets take out the learning curve for a second amd ask this question: who is a better fit with the Knicks if Kyrie and KD come, would it be Barrett or Anthony Davis.
Just trying to get a gauge on how big a difference it would be in terms of how good the team overall would be with one or the other. Again this is not counting the learning curve (which is a big factor). I want to know if this kid reaches his ceiling is AD still a significantly better fit with KD and Kyrie?
The problem is,as it's always been, how do you add 3 almost max (AD is $27 million next season) contracts??? The only scenario I saw was trading for AD in August,where the numbers somehow(I don't know how) will allow that to happen. And I've read that the Pelicans want the AD situation remedied by the draft.If that's the case, the choice is AD/KD (with the bulk of your young players/Barrett/1st round picks gone) or KD/Kyrie & your young core & 1st round picks intact.I'd choose the latter. I've only seen that one scenario to add AD/KD/Kyrie together,so if you know of another,please share!
The numbers work . It just requires alot of cap maneuvering and utilization of the soft cap rules. We would need to use this 120% trade rule and take back more salary than we give up and go over the cap. We also have to pretty much shed all possible contracts over 4 million. DSJ Knox Frank waive Thomas(1mill cap hit vs 7mill). I believe we can still keep Mitch and Dotson and possibly Trier and make it work.
- Pelicans prefer to send him to the Eastern Conference
- the prospect of pairing Zion with RJ and having their contract lengths linked together is huge. Transitioning to a small market like NO, they could depend on each other.
- a positive way to refresh their franchise with no drama
- Lonzo Ball doesn’t want to be there. Ingram health issues. Kuzma’s contract isn’t for much longer.
- Mitchell Robinson next to Zion. Mitch is from the area.
Hoping we don't need to include Mitch by subbing with Dal unprotected pick but we'll see. Also expecting we receive Pels 2nd round pick back in the deal.
Usually the words wouldnt be that strong if you intended it as a negotiation tactic lol
- Pelicans prefer to send him to the Eastern Conference
- the prospect of pairing Zion with RJ and having their contract lengths linked together is huge. Transitioning to a small market like NO, they could depend on each other.
- a positive way to refresh their franchise with no drama
- Lonzo Ball doesn’t want to be there. Ingram health issues. Kuzma’s contract isn’t for much longer.
- Mitchell Robinson next to Zion. Mitch is from the area.
Hoping we don't need to include Mitch by subbing with Dal unprotected pick but we'll see. Also expecting we receive Pels 2nd round pick back in the deal.
Celtics can also put together a nice package for AD.
There is a possibility they could already be happy and confident with the package(s) we have discussed. Or even better we have pretty much come close to anp agreement.
I dont see Harden (obviously), but ill freely admin that Harden is one of my all time wrong calls on college to pro player. I didnt think he was going to be anywhere near this good.
On Barrett i do find a bit funny that this time last year he was the consensus number 1 pick and he went out and helped Duke to a strong year and scored the most point by an ACC freshmen in 25 years and now people are upset to get him at 3.
I think I'm the only one who said ET or DD fwiw. Sure they changed as players over time. Yes, comps are inexact, but these are apt even tho not carbon copies
DD is asked to be a #1 scorer, ET is more a do-it-all off the bench player, (and DW a HOFer - not my comp but I get it) - still good places to start predicting how RJ's NBA game develops
As I said Turner is his floor (something he might do day 1) and Derozan the ceiling...that too if RJ's range / J doesn't improve. But all are bigger wings that play inside the arc, are known to attack the rim, have a post game, a handle to push the pace & run some O tho not great playmakers, all play D, and have decent motors. So I see a fair amount of overlap even tho they're team roles aren't the same, or one is obviously more productive / just better