The Pelicans laughed at those guys around the deadline. You think them plus the 4th pick in a 2-3 player draft and some additional assets get it done now?
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teams like the Celtics and Lakers have more assets.
no they dont
Ever since I have been coming on this site you have been the most overly optimistic Knicks fan. You always overvalue their position or assets. Can AD happen? Yes. Is it likely? No. That is the state of play
The Pelicans laughed at those guys around the deadline. You think them plus the 4th pick in a 2-3 player draft and some additional assets get it done now?
LA beat said it was close to happening but Demps lost his nerve and couldn't pull the trigger.
like Tatum, Brown, Rozier, if they're willing to move them.
Lakers have Ingram, Kuzma, and NO is known to love Ball. They've got some solid role players. Toss in the #4 pick. Hell, they could trade James and I wouldn't blink.
Knicks can offer a better pick this year and have surplus picks going forward which the Lakers do not have. Plus, guys like Knox and Robinson offer more years of team control than the Lakers pieces - which is important. Ingram is one year away from RFA - and has a health issue. Is Ball even an asset given his injury woes and family baggage? And that's not even getting into the fact that he hasn't played well.
Ingram has a serious blood clot issue, he is not an asset
I don't think the NBA would agree with you.
really? he has the same blood clot issue chris bosh had, you think pelicans are taking that risk?
knicks have 3rd overall, mitchell robinson who is from new orleans and huge upside prospect, knox another upside prospect, and the ability to offer 5 first round pivks in a row, no ither team can
teams like the Celtics and Lakers have more assets.
no they dont
Ever since I have been coming on this site you have been the most overly optimistic Knicks fan. You always overvalue their position or assets. Can AD happen? Yes. Is it likely? No. That is the state of play
explain to me how the celtics and lakers have better offers? please explain
Ingram has a serious blood clot issue, he is not an asset
I don't think the NBA would agree with you.
The Pelicans are going to want a slew of picks and a player or 2. The Lakers draft picks are going to be garbage if they're able to land a star like Davis. The Dallas unprotected 1st is going to be the key for the Knicks. If they want Robinson in the deal I would tell them to scratch off. Like I said, the only team that can put together a better offer is Boston only if they include Tatum which I don't see happening.
I have a bad feeling about trading half the team for Davis.
I worry that even with two additional max players that the Knicks will have no depth.
If the star players get injured the Knicks will be in a lot of trouble.
There is something appealing to building a team organically.
There can be some key pieces on this team.
Barrett or Ja , Knox , Mitchell, Davis, etc.
There are some very young players whose best basketball is in front of them.
If you can add two max contracts to this team and then trade for some veteran depth I think that this will be a very competitive team
Add the fact that reinforcements will be coming in the 2020 and 2021 drafts.
like Tatum, Brown, Rozier, if they're willing to move them.
Lakers have Ingram, Kuzma, and NO is known to love Ball. They've got some solid role players. Toss in the #4 pick. Hell, they could trade James and I wouldn't blink.
Knicks can offer a better pick this year and have surplus picks going forward which the Lakers do not have. Plus, guys like Knox and Robinson offer more years of team control than the Lakers pieces - which is important. Ingram is one year away from RFA - and has a health issue. Is Ball even an asset given his injury woes and family baggage? And that's not even getting into the fact that he hasn't played well.
Good post. I have a friend on the LA beat, NO loves Ball as well as Kuz and Ingram. The deal was reportedly close to happening and Demps lost his nerve. Alot of what was in the media was misdirection and damage control. Agree BI's health needs to check out, and the Lakers lack the draft picks. But, posters saying NYK will offer five #1 picks is silly, and I think they're overrating Knox + Robinson with a bit of bias in there.
like Tatum, Brown, Rozier, if they're willing to move them.
Lakers have Ingram, Kuzma, and NO is known to love Ball. They've got some solid role players. Toss in the #4 pick. Hell, they could trade James and I wouldn't blink.
Knicks can offer a better pick this year and have surplus picks going forward which the Lakers do not have. Plus, guys like Knox and Robinson offer more years of team control than the Lakers pieces - which is important. Ingram is one year away from RFA - and has a health issue. Is Ball even an asset given his injury woes and family baggage? And that's not even getting into the fact that he hasn't played well.
Good post. I have a friend on the LA beat, NO loves Ball as well as Kuz and Ingram. The deal was reportedly close to happening and Demps lost his nerve. Alot of what was in the media was misdirection and damage control. Agree BI's health needs to check out, and the Lakers lack the draft picks. But, posters saying NYK will offer five #1 picks is silly, and I think they're overrating Knox + Robinson with a bit of bias in there.
why is it silly, they have the luxury to do it so why is it silly, that is part of the assets they have, it is only silly because it trumps the lakers offer...
Knicks would not be emptying their cupboard of draft picks
is the best asset either team can offer, by a lot. The relationship with Zion, the fact that he's a straight up better player, he's younger, he has more years under NO control.
The gulf between the 3rd pick and 4th pick this year is massive.
Barrett, Knox, DSJ, Frank 3 1sts should get it done.
It's definitely better than a Lakers no. 4, Kuz, Ball, Ingram, Hart package.
like Tatum, Brown, Rozier, if they're willing to move them.
Lakers have Ingram, Kuzma, and NO is known to love Ball. They've got some solid role players. Toss in the #4 pick. Hell, they could trade James and I wouldn't blink.
Knicks can offer a better pick this year and have surplus picks going forward which the Lakers do not have. Plus, guys like Knox and Robinson offer more years of team control than the Lakers pieces - which is important. Ingram is one year away from RFA - and has a health issue. Is Ball even an asset given his injury woes and family baggage? And that's not even getting into the fact that he hasn't played well.
Good post. I have a friend on the LA beat, NO loves Ball as well as Kuz and Ingram. The deal was reportedly close to happening and Demps lost his nerve. Alot of what was in the media was misdirection and damage control. Agree BI's health needs to check out, and the Lakers lack the draft picks. But, posters saying NYK will offer five #1 picks is silly, and I think they're overrating Knox + Robinson with a bit of bias in there.
Woj consistently reported that Demps wasn't even communicating with LA. Sounds like any damage control was coming out of the LA end of things. Contracts matter. That's why Ingram is problematic even without the health issue. Pelicans have a brand new front office so who they "love" would appear to be a fluid situation.
If you're trading Davis you're tearing it down to try and build around Zion. Best way to do that is cost controlled assets. The Knicks can simply offer more. A lot more. Kuzma looks to be a player, but do you really think it's a stretch that a rebuilding team would prefer Knox entering his age 20 season to Kuzma entering his age 24 season....with an extra year of control? Or Robinson on a bargain basement contract over the next 3 years when Robinson has already flashed an elite skill after not even playing organized basketball for a year?
Regardless, I don't think a trade happens or or before the Draft. I think the Knicks are banking on Kyrie and KD, which would mean no space to re-sign AD.
is the best asset either team can offer, by a lot. The relationship with Zion, the fact that he's a straight up better player, he's younger, he has more years under NO control.
The gulf between the 3rd pick and 4th pick this year is massive.
Barrett, Knox, DSJ, Frank 3 1sts should get it done.
It's definitely better than a Lakers no. 4, Kuz, Ball, Ingram, Hart package.
Just to clarify, Barrett is a better player than the other guys being talked about. Not a better player than Zion.
Davis wants to be in LA, and he's got the power of the contract out in 2020. Time will tell. Things could change, we saw Paul George change his mind in the middle of the same scenario and endgame.
Davis wants to be in LA, and he's got the power of the contract out in 2020. Time will tell. Things could change, we saw Paul George change his mind in the middle of the same scenario and endgame.
Davis also wants to be in NY, and has specifically said NY is a team he'll sign an extension with.
a GM needs to take a big leap of faith to view him how he is viewed asset wise by knicks fans here. he played well but hes anything but a deal killer
general consensus is that his upside is Tyson Chandler/Camby. Even if he stays exactly as he is now, he's a valuable player going forward strictly as a rim protector. Given he's still young and wasn't even on a team last year, I'd say at least some improvement is likely. Add that to his super cheap contract - and he's a very good asset.
night I was all gung ho on trading for AD, but now I'm not so sure.
Kyrie-Barrett-Durant-Knox-Jordan
Robinson
Trier
DSJ
Frank
honestly may be the better team. Still have 4 picks over 2 years, a bunch of assets and cost controlled guys, and young players to grow with the two superstars.
a GM needs to take a big leap of faith to view him how he is viewed asset wise by knicks fans here. he played well but hes anything but a deal killer
general consensus is that his upside is Tyson Chandler/Camby. Even if he stays exactly as he is now, he's a valuable player going forward strictly as a rim protector. Given he's still young and wasn't even on a team last year, I'd say at least some improvement is likely. Add that to his super cheap contract - and he's a very good asset.
he's def an asset but its Anthony Davis. and many many posts are about that being a deal breaker. you can try to avoid dealing him but just dropping "frank" "Dsj" as if these are names that add to a deal... ehhh not so much.
I defer to your hoops knowledge, but I think you guys are overrating Knox and Robinson's appeal. AD is one of the biggest trade opportunities in the NBA right now. I'm not sold Woj has the entire scoop here either, especially when Demps was fired not long after. But, I concede Ingram's health needs to check out. Time will tell.
night I was all gung ho on trading for AD, but now I'm not so sure.
Kyrie-Barrett-Durant-Knox-Jordan
Robinson
Trier
DSJ
Frank
honestly may be the better team. Still have 4 picks over 2 years, a bunch of assets and cost controlled guys, and young players to grow with the two superstars.
I would still go all out to bring in AD - but if it didn't work out, having a "next generation" of young guys rounding out the roster is a nice plan B. Also, and I've yet to hear anyone even mention this, if KD were to come here, how long is his contract and how many high level years would we realistically get out of him? He could sign here on a 1+1, decide he doesn't like it here, and then bolt again. Then where are you?
I defer to your hoops knowledge, but I think you guys are overrating Knox and Robinson's appeal. AD is one of the biggest trade opportunities in the NBA right now. I'm not sold Woj has the entire scoop here either, especially when Demps was fired not long after. But, I concede Ingram's health needs to check out. Time will tell.
Also, your point about youth and cost control is a good one. But, I think Kuzma's a better NBA player ultimately than Knox.
The C's have the single best trade asset of any team... Â
For me, Ingram healthy, Kuzma, Ball, #4 pick, and a future #1 is a better deal. I don't see how yours is clear cut better.
Even if that's better, is there any proof the Lakers will offer all that? That's their entire roster outside of LeBron. You think AD will sign long term to play with 35 year old lebron and bums?
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The C's also have the motivation of needing to trade for A.D. in order to convince Kyrie to stay.
He might be, but if you look at Barret's numbers they're awfully similar to what Tatum put up and Barret would offer more years of team control to NO.
Also, your notion of getting AD and then signing Kyrie is a huge gamble on Boston's part. I'm not saying it wont happen but that's still a huge risk and Kyrie hasn't been a model of consistency where you may feel great taking that chance.
For me, Ingram healthy, Kuzma, Ball, #4 pick, and a future #1 is a better deal. I don't see how yours is clear cut better.
Even if that's better, is there any proof the Lakers will offer all that? That's their entire roster outside of LeBron. You think AD will sign long term to play with 35 year old lebron and bums?
There's actually been talk that Ball, Kuzma, and two #1's might have been enough to get it done not that long ago.
I'm not worried about James, they could trade him, I'd rather build around AD.
I don't think that Lakers offer is better at all... Â
The Pelicans laughed at those guys around the deadline. You think them plus the 4th pick in a 2-3 player draft and some additional assets get it done now?
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teams like the Celtics and Lakers have more assets.
no they dont
Ever since I have been coming on this site you have been the most overly optimistic Knicks fan. You always overvalue their position or assets. Can AD happen? Yes. Is it likely? No. That is the state of play
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You guys are biased.
The Pelicans laughed at those guys around the deadline. You think them plus the 4th pick in a 2-3 player draft and some additional assets get it done now?
LA beat said it was close to happening but Demps lost his nerve and couldn't pull the trigger.
Lakers have Ingram, Kuzma, and NO is known to love Ball. They've got some solid role players. Toss in the #4 pick. Hell, they could trade James and I wouldn't blink.
Knicks can offer a better pick this year and have surplus picks going forward which the Lakers do not have. Plus, guys like Knox and Robinson offer more years of team control than the Lakers pieces - which is important. Ingram is one year away from RFA - and has a health issue. Is Ball even an asset given his injury woes and family baggage? And that's not even getting into the fact that he hasn't played well.
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You guys are biased.
Ingram has a serious blood clot issue, he is not an asset
I don't think the NBA would agree with you.
really? he has the same blood clot issue chris bosh had, you think pelicans are taking that risk?
knicks have 3rd overall, mitchell robinson who is from new orleans and huge upside prospect, knox another upside prospect, and the ability to offer 5 first round pivks in a row, no ither team can
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teams like the Celtics and Lakers have more assets.
no they dont
Ever since I have been coming on this site you have been the most overly optimistic Knicks fan. You always overvalue their position or assets. Can AD happen? Yes. Is it likely? No. That is the state of play
explain to me how the celtics and lakers have better offers? please explain
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You guys are biased.
Ingram has a serious blood clot issue, he is not an asset
I don't think the NBA would agree with you.
The Pelicans are going to want a slew of picks and a player or 2. The Lakers draft picks are going to be garbage if they're able to land a star like Davis. The Dallas unprotected 1st is going to be the key for the Knicks. If they want Robinson in the deal I would tell them to scratch off. Like I said, the only team that can put together a better offer is Boston only if they include Tatum which I don't see happening.
knicks can offer five picks and still habe their own 2021 and 2023...
No thanks. I've been on record saying get two max FAs and build around them with our roster. No point in emptying the cupboards for AD.
but Ingram is? Lol...
I worry that even with two additional max players that the Knicks will have no depth.
If the star players get injured the Knicks will be in a lot of trouble.
There is something appealing to building a team organically.
There can be some key pieces on this team.
Barrett or Ja , Knox , Mitchell, Davis, etc.
There are some very young players whose best basketball is in front of them.
If you can add two max contracts to this team and then trade for some veteran depth I think that this will be a very competitive team
Add the fact that reinforcements will be coming in the 2020 and 2021 drafts.
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like Tatum, Brown, Rozier, if they're willing to move them.
Lakers have Ingram, Kuzma, and NO is known to love Ball. They've got some solid role players. Toss in the #4 pick. Hell, they could trade James and I wouldn't blink.
Knicks can offer a better pick this year and have surplus picks going forward which the Lakers do not have. Plus, guys like Knox and Robinson offer more years of team control than the Lakers pieces - which is important. Ingram is one year away from RFA - and has a health issue. Is Ball even an asset given his injury woes and family baggage? And that's not even getting into the fact that he hasn't played well.
Good post. I have a friend on the LA beat, NO loves Ball as well as Kuz and Ingram. The deal was reportedly close to happening and Demps lost his nerve. Alot of what was in the media was misdirection and damage control. Agree BI's health needs to check out, and the Lakers lack the draft picks. But, posters saying NYK will offer five #1 picks is silly, and I think they're overrating Knox + Robinson with a bit of bias in there.
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like Tatum, Brown, Rozier, if they're willing to move them.
Lakers have Ingram, Kuzma, and NO is known to love Ball. They've got some solid role players. Toss in the #4 pick. Hell, they could trade James and I wouldn't blink.
Knicks can offer a better pick this year and have surplus picks going forward which the Lakers do not have. Plus, guys like Knox and Robinson offer more years of team control than the Lakers pieces - which is important. Ingram is one year away from RFA - and has a health issue. Is Ball even an asset given his injury woes and family baggage? And that's not even getting into the fact that he hasn't played well.
Good post. I have a friend on the LA beat, NO loves Ball as well as Kuz and Ingram. The deal was reportedly close to happening and Demps lost his nerve. Alot of what was in the media was misdirection and damage control. Agree BI's health needs to check out, and the Lakers lack the draft picks. But, posters saying NYK will offer five #1 picks is silly, and I think they're overrating Knox + Robinson with a bit of bias in there.
why is it silly, they have the luxury to do it so why is it silly, that is part of the assets they have, it is only silly because it trumps the lakers offer...
Knicks would not be emptying their cupboard of draft picks
I definitely know football better than hoops. I could wind up wrong, wouldn't be the first time and won't be the last.
The gulf between the 3rd pick and 4th pick this year is massive.
Barrett, Knox, DSJ, Frank 3 1sts should get it done.
It's definitely better than a Lakers no. 4, Kuz, Ball, Ingram, Hart package.
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like Tatum, Brown, Rozier, if they're willing to move them.
Lakers have Ingram, Kuzma, and NO is known to love Ball. They've got some solid role players. Toss in the #4 pick. Hell, they could trade James and I wouldn't blink.
Knicks can offer a better pick this year and have surplus picks going forward which the Lakers do not have. Plus, guys like Knox and Robinson offer more years of team control than the Lakers pieces - which is important. Ingram is one year away from RFA - and has a health issue. Is Ball even an asset given his injury woes and family baggage? And that's not even getting into the fact that he hasn't played well.
Good post. I have a friend on the LA beat, NO loves Ball as well as Kuz and Ingram. The deal was reportedly close to happening and Demps lost his nerve. Alot of what was in the media was misdirection and damage control. Agree BI's health needs to check out, and the Lakers lack the draft picks. But, posters saying NYK will offer five #1 picks is silly, and I think they're overrating Knox + Robinson with a bit of bias in there.
Woj consistently reported that Demps wasn't even communicating with LA. Sounds like any damage control was coming out of the LA end of things. Contracts matter. That's why Ingram is problematic even without the health issue. Pelicans have a brand new front office so who they "love" would appear to be a fluid situation.
If you're trading Davis you're tearing it down to try and build around Zion. Best way to do that is cost controlled assets. The Knicks can simply offer more. A lot more. Kuzma looks to be a player, but do you really think it's a stretch that a rebuilding team would prefer Knox entering his age 20 season to Kuzma entering his age 24 season....with an extra year of control? Or Robinson on a bargain basement contract over the next 3 years when Robinson has already flashed an elite skill after not even playing organized basketball for a year?
Regardless, I don't think a trade happens or or before the Draft. I think the Knicks are banking on Kyrie and KD, which would mean no space to re-sign AD.
The gulf between the 3rd pick and 4th pick this year is massive.
Barrett, Knox, DSJ, Frank 3 1sts should get it done.
It's definitely better than a Lakers no. 4, Kuz, Ball, Ingram, Hart package.
Just to clarify, Barrett is a better player than the other guys being talked about. Not a better player than Zion.
Davis also wants to be in NY, and has specifically said NY is a team he'll sign an extension with.
general consensus is that his upside is Tyson Chandler/Camby. Even if he stays exactly as he is now, he's a valuable player going forward strictly as a rim protector. Given he's still young and wasn't even on a team last year, I'd say at least some improvement is likely. Add that to his super cheap contract - and he's a very good asset.
i dont knownif they have to, but if they need to they can that is the point
why is it not reasonable?
they have 2 picks from dallas and they can add 2 of their own picks plus this years..
they would still be keeping their 2021 and 2023
why is that unreasonable
Kyrie-Barrett-Durant-Knox-Jordan
Robinson
Trier
DSJ
Frank
honestly may be the better team. Still have 4 picks over 2 years, a bunch of assets and cost controlled guys, and young players to grow with the two superstars.
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why is it not reasonable?
they have 2 picks from dallas and they can add 2 of their own picks plus this years..
they would still be keeping their 2021 and 2023
why is that unreasonable
Has a team ever traded five #1 picks or come close to it? Would you want your team to do it? Doesn't compute.
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a GM needs to take a big leap of faith to view him how he is viewed asset wise by knicks fans here. he played well but hes anything but a deal killer
general consensus is that his upside is Tyson Chandler/Camby. Even if he stays exactly as he is now, he's a valuable player going forward strictly as a rim protector. Given he's still young and wasn't even on a team last year, I'd say at least some improvement is likely. Add that to his super cheap contract - and he's a very good asset.
he's def an asset but its Anthony Davis. and many many posts are about that being a deal breaker. you can try to avoid dealing him but just dropping "frank" "Dsj" as if these are names that add to a deal... ehhh not so much.
Kyrie-Barrett-Durant-Knox-Jordan
Robinson
Trier
DSJ
Frank
honestly may be the better team. Still have 4 picks over 2 years, a bunch of assets and cost controlled guys, and young players to grow with the two superstars.
I would still go all out to bring in AD - but if it didn't work out, having a "next generation" of young guys rounding out the roster is a nice plan B. Also, and I've yet to hear anyone even mention this, if KD were to come here, how long is his contract and how many high level years would we realistically get out of him? He could sign here on a 1+1, decide he doesn't like it here, and then bolt again. Then where are you?
Also, your point about youth and cost control is a good one. But, I think Kuzma's a better NBA player ultimately than Knox.
The C's also have the motivation of needing to trade for A.D. in order to convince Kyrie to stay.
#3 pick (Barrett), Robinson, 2021 unprotected Mavs pick.
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... would suggest that New York has the best trade assets to pull off a trade for A.D.
You’re wrong here. It’s been said plenty in the media that the Knicks have an arsenal of desirable assets available for a potential AD trade.
All that noise was before the draft lottery, with the assumption that the Knicks might get the #1 pick (Zion)
That is no longer the case, of course.
The C's also have the motivation of needing to trade for A.D. in order to convince Kyrie to stay.
shine has come off of jayson tatum, and you think the pelicans are trading davis for just tatum?
Even if that's better, is there any proof the Lakers will offer all that? That's their entire roster outside of LeBron. You think AD will sign long term to play with 35 year old lebron and bums?
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... Jayson Tatum.
The C's also have the motivation of needing to trade for A.D. in order to convince Kyrie to stay.
shine has come off of jayson tatum, and you think the pelicans are trading davis for just tatum?
That's not what I said... I said Tatum is the single best trade asset... that's not the same thing as Tatum for A.D. straight up.
The C's have a multiple picks and guys like Smart, Williams, possibly Brown (if that's what it takes) to package around Tatum.
The C's also have the motivation of needing to trade for A.D. in order to convince Kyrie to stay.
He might be, but if you look at Barret's numbers they're awfully similar to what Tatum put up and Barret would offer more years of team control to NO.
Also, your notion of getting AD and then signing Kyrie is a huge gamble on Boston's part. I'm not saying it wont happen but that's still a huge risk and Kyrie hasn't been a model of consistency where you may feel great taking that chance.
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For me, Ingram healthy, Kuzma, Ball, #4 pick, and a future #1 is a better deal. I don't see how yours is clear cut better.
Even if that's better, is there any proof the Lakers will offer all that? That's their entire roster outside of LeBron. You think AD will sign long term to play with 35 year old lebron and bums?
There's actually been talk that Ball, Kuzma, and two #1's might have been enough to get it done not that long ago.
I'm not worried about James, they could trade him, I'd rather build around AD.
Plus the Knicks can easily sweeten the deal I proposed, the Lakers can't.