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BigBlueDownTheShore : 5/15/2019 9:11 am
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RE: If knicks are such a dumpster fire  
Giantz_comeback : 5/15/2019 10:57 am : link
In comment 14444676 nygiants16 said:
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why did deandre jordan instead of getting a buyout stay with the knicks?


And why did Zion want us to win the lottery so bad???

People want to come here now. Possibly because they know KD is coming but either way we are an attractive destination now.

RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: The C's have the single best trade asset of any team...  
Really : 5/15/2019 10:58 am : link
In comment 14444671 Gmaniac1 said:
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In comment 14444659 Really said:


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Choice 1 has seemingly been on the table all year and Kyrie has been luke warm to jump at that option and luke warm is putting it nicely.


I don't follow you at all.

The C's couldn't trade for A.D. at the trade deadline... not without shipping away Kyrie. They were prevented by some fine-print in the last collective bargaining agreement.


C'mon, you clearly have been following the Celtics, dont be naive to think the whole league hasnt been aware that the Celtics would try to make a move for AD this summer but Kyrie hasnt helped, the way the Clippers and Kings Picks played out and the way the 'young assets' didnt really improve has made that trade much more difficult.

Point being, you didnt wake up today with this great plan to pair Kyrie and AD and it doesnt appear Kyrie wants to be there.

Jahlil Okafor and Emmanuel Mudiay were higher ranked HS prospects  
Anakim : 5/15/2019 10:59 am : link
than KAT and D'Angelo Russell
RE: RE: If knicks are such a dumpster fire  
Anakim : 5/15/2019 11:00 am : link
In comment 14444683 Giantz_comeback said:
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In comment 14444676 nygiants16 said:


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why did deandre jordan instead of getting a buyout stay with the knicks?




And why did Zion want us to win the lottery so bad???


Because the dude is a marketing dream. He would make upwards of a 100M in no time.
The salaries  
Pep22 : 5/15/2019 11:00 am : link
do not have to match, that's an incorrect statement.

Examples:

1 Team A has no cap room and wants to acquire a player making 20mm from Team B. To do so, Team A must trade 20mm (allowable difference = 25%) to take on the 20mm incoming salary.

2 Team A has 5mm cap room and wants to acquire a player making 20mm from Team B. To do so, Team A must trade 15mm (allowable difference = 25%) to take on the 20mm incoming salary.

3 Team A has 20mm cap room and wants to acquire a player making 20mm from Team B. To do so, Team A can freely take on the 20mm incoming salary without a required salary match.
free agency  
nygiants16 : 5/15/2019 11:00 am : link
will now start june 30th at 6pm
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: The C's have the single best trade asset of any team...  
Gmaniac1 : 5/15/2019 11:02 am : link
In comment 14444684 Really said:
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C'mon, you clearly have been following the Celtics, dont be naive to think the whole league hasnt been aware that the Celtics would try to make a move for AD this summer but Kyrie hasnt helped, the way the Clippers and Kings Picks played out and the way the 'young assets' didnt really improve has made that trade much more difficult.

Point being, you didnt wake up today with this great plan to pair Kyrie and AD and it doesnt appear Kyrie wants to be there.

Again, I simply don't follow you.

What has Kyrie done to "not help" the Celtic's go after Anthony Davis?

Be specific, if you don't mind.
RE: RE: RE: Schmeelk  
Mike in NJ : 5/15/2019 11:03 am : link
In comment 14444682 Anakim said:
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In comment 14444672 Mike in NJ said:


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In comment 14444652 DanMetroMan said:


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compared Barrett to Jalen Rose. If that's the case you shop the pick.



That is a ridiculous comparison. The only thing they have in common is that they are left handed wing players. I think a realistic outcome for Barrett is Demar Derozan, and he has the upside to be more if his shooting improves.

Barrett was unanimously regarded as the top prospect in this class, and the reason to tank, like 9 months ago. He went out and averaged basically 23-7-4 and somehow that was a disappointment? The Knicks should be thrilled to be is position to get him.



I think even Derozan is a stretch comparison. I'd probably go with Wiggins myself.


Barrett and Wiggins are definitely similar from a skillset standpoint, but I think the biggest difference, and the reason Wiggins has been a disappointment, is personality. Wiggins does seems lazy, and isn't an "alpha." By all accounts Barrett is the complete opposite of that.
RE: RE: What's better long term for the Knicks?  
Giantz_comeback : 5/15/2019 11:04 am : link
In comment 14444679 TyreeHelmet said:
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Durant\Kyrie and Anthony Davis would be a superior trio but with no team depth or #1 picks, while we might be the best in the East, not sure if that trio is enough to win a title by themselves.

Personally, I prefer to keep all the #1 picks and have better team depth with Knox\Jordan\Trier\DSJ\Frank behind a formidable foursome of Durant\Kyrie\Barrett\Robinson.



Seriously? I’m not even sure that can be considered depth if that players aren’t good or ready to contribute in the playoffs.

You can also build depth over the next couple seasons. You’d have 3 all nba players. You can use exceptions, veteran mins, young guys like
Dotson to fill out the team and then have next offseason to really build up the depth.

I’m probably most intrigued by getting Davis and Durant and then using the remaining cap space on multiple players instead of 1 max. But I’m not complaining if Irving/Kemba or Butler are my 3rd option.


A couple ring chasers added to below:

DeAndre/Mitchell/AD
AD/KD/Mitchell
KD/Ellenson
Dotson/Allen
Kyrie/Vet

Dotson plays D and is actually a pretty good shooter.

That team very likely comes out of the East and has a legit shot vs GSW or Houston.




A lot  
Jon in NYC : 5/15/2019 11:07 am : link
of super weird RJ Barrett hate in here.

He was a below average 3 pt and ft shooter. That's by far the biggest flaw. That's also fixable.

Now, all the things he does well:

Get to the rim and finish
Create off the dribble
Pass
Ball Handling
Defense
Leadership
Transition Offense
A/To Ratio
RE: A lot  
Pep22 : 5/15/2019 11:07 am : link
In comment 14444697 Jon in NYC said:
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of super weird RJ Barrett hate in here.

He was a below average 3 pt and ft shooter. That's by far the biggest flaw. That's also fixable.

Now, all the things he does well:

Get to the rim and finish
Create off the dribble
Pass
Ball Handling
Defense
Leadership
Transition Offense
A/To Ratio


You're spot on.
Barrett  
Jon in NYC : 5/15/2019 11:08 am : link
and Wiggins are nothing alike other than height. Totally different skillsets.

I actually liked the Jalen Rose comparison. I think that's the floor. The ceiling is probably Paul George.
that's a pretty damning flaw in today's NBA, no?  
Greg from LI : 5/15/2019 11:08 am : link
Especially for a guy who mostly likely will be a 2 as a pro.

And people are overrated his defense. It's decent. It's hardly great.
And leadership? Are you serious?  
Greg from LI : 5/15/2019 11:09 am : link
Did you see the way Duke floundered without Zion?
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: The C's have the single best trade asset of any team...  
Really : 5/15/2019 11:10 am : link
In comment 14444692 Gmaniac1 said:
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In comment 14444684 Really said:


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C'mon, you clearly have been following the Celtics, dont be naive to think the whole league hasnt been aware that the Celtics would try to make a move for AD this summer but Kyrie hasnt helped, the way the Clippers and Kings Picks played out and the way the 'young assets' didnt really improve has made that trade much more difficult.

Point being, you didnt wake up today with this great plan to pair Kyrie and AD and it doesnt appear Kyrie wants to be there.



Again, I simply don't follow you.

What has Kyrie done to "not help" the Celtic's go after Anthony Davis?

Be specific, if you don't mind.


hmmm, I think Roziers interview from yesterday speaks for itself. Take the pulse of your Celtics fan friends man, i'm not breaking news here.

The dichotomy of your in depth knowledge of the Celtics roster and picks trove next to your ignorance to Kyrie's behavior this year perplexes me lol

RE: that's a pretty damning flaw in today's NBA, no?  
Jon in NYC : 5/15/2019 11:10 am : link
In comment 14444702 Greg from LI said:
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Especially for a guy who mostly likely will be a 2 as a pro.

And people are overrated his defense. It's decent. It's hardly great.


If it doesn't get better, yeah. But he took 6 3s a game. You don't think that goes up if he starts taking better shots when others are creating offense?

Despite shooting .305 from 3 on a lot of attempts, he still shot .450 from the field.
Depth  
TyreeHelmet : 5/15/2019 11:14 am : link
Can be built and added somewhat easily. Theres always 2nd round picks, UDFA, Mid Level Exceptions, buyout guys etc. Trading for a player of Davis’ caliber is a once in generation opportunity. Do whatever it takes to pair him with Durant.
RE: that's a pretty damning flaw in today's NBA, no?  
Mike in NJ : 5/15/2019 11:16 am : link
In comment 14444702 Greg from LI said:
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Especially for a guy who mostly likely will be a 2 as a pro.

And people are overrated his defense. It's decent. It's hardly great.


Russell Westbrook has done just fine for not being able to shoot 3s.
RE: RE: A lot  
Really : 5/15/2019 11:16 am : link
In comment 14444700 Pep22 said:
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In comment 14444697 Jon in NYC said:


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of super weird RJ Barrett hate in here.

He was a below average 3 pt and ft shooter. That's by far the biggest flaw. That's also fixable.

Now, all the things he does well:

Get to the rim and finish
Create off the dribble
Pass
Ball Handling
Defense
Leadership
Transition Offense
A/To Ratio



You're spot on.


He rebounds very well too
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: The C's have the single best trade asset of any team...  
Gmaniac1 : 5/15/2019 11:16 am : link
In comment 14444705 Really said:
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hmmm, I think Roziers interview from yesterday speaks for itself. Take the pulse of your Celtics fan friends man, i'm not breaking news here.

The dichotomy of your in depth knowledge of the Celtics roster and picks trove next to your ignorance to Kyrie's behavior this year perplexes me lol

So... nothing specific to back up your rhetoric? Got it.

Rozier is obviously disgruntled... no argument there. Kyrie can't help it that he is obviously the better player and "stole" Rozier's minutes... that's the way it works, Terry.

If Scary Terry didn't like it he should have played a lot better this season. Unfortunately, Rozier played like dog doo doo. He can take his piss poor shot selection and questionable attitude to any team that will have him.
Not  
DanMetroMan : 5/15/2019 11:22 am : link
even talking about Barrett but Jalen Rose name is much bigger than his game. He was a solid NBA player. If the Knicks came out of this season with Jalen Rose 2.0 then it's a disappointment.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: The C's have the single best trade asset of any team...  
Really : 5/15/2019 11:22 am : link
In comment 14444712 Gmaniac1 said:
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In comment 14444705 Really said:


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hmmm, I think Roziers interview from yesterday speaks for itself. Take the pulse of your Celtics fan friends man, i'm not breaking news here.

The dichotomy of your in depth knowledge of the Celtics roster and picks trove next to your ignorance to Kyrie's behavior this year perplexes me lol



So... nothing specific to back up your rhetoric? Got it.

Rozier is obviously disgruntled... no argument there. Kyrie can't help it that he is obviously the better player and "stole" Rozier's minutes... that's the way it works, Terry.

If Scary Terry didn't like it he should have played a lot better this season. Unfortunately, Rozier played like dog doo doo. He can take his piss poor shot selection and questionable attitude to any team that will have him.


Ok, so hes a good player when the Celtics are trading him for Davis but played poorly to win your argument?

How about Kyrie flip flopping on resigning? How about alienating Rozier? How about Tatum coming out and saying mid year hed like to play in NO? How about the main rumor out there about him (currently) is that hes coming to NYC and not actively telling Ainge push all your chips in me and AD are re-signing? I dont work for the team but most of the city has had enough of him.

Is that sufficiently specific?
Knicks are in a good spot  
ghost718 : 5/15/2019 11:24 am : link
I would select Barrett or Hachimura

As far as Anthony Davis,I don't take anything seriously
The entire trade discussion above is missing the forest for the trees  
rich in DC : 5/15/2019 11:24 am : link
Stop and look at it from N.O.'s perspective.

Right now, their team is Anthony Davis, Jrue Holiday and a bunch of question marks. Maybe they have something in Kenrich Williams (but he's likely just a role player) or Christian Wood (athletic big). After that, a bunch of guys other teams didn't want (Randle, Payton, Okafor) and never-weres.

You take AD off that list, and you have a 15-20 win team with one legitimate NBA starter- Holiday- who is already 29 years old.

If AD doesn't pull his trade request, then Holiday will be on the block as well and the Pels go into full on rebuild around Zion mode.

Zion will be a star- but he won't be able to carry a team by himself. That means the primary goal will be collecting starter level players who are under team control for at least 3-4 years while the Pels rebuild.

All this talk about how the Celtics, Knicks and Celtics assets are this and that misses the bigger picture- namely who do these 3 teams have that will fill the need for a long-term rebuild.

Keep in mind that the Pels are not going to be rushing to take on players hitting RFA in 2 years or so, because they will have to make the choice early in their rebuild whether to commit big dollars to these RFAs at a time when they are still building- and committing big deals to RFA restricts them in the draft and taking the best player available because of the resources committed to one player.

That reduces the motivation of the Pels to consider players who will reach FA within 2 years- like Ingram and Brown.

Instead, they want players with as much team control for as many years as possible- while also committing as little as possible to them financially.

That makes players like Knox, Robinson, Ball, and Kuzma much more attractive to the Pels. However, let's also admit that none of the 3 teams mentioned above has the "sure fire" star who can step right in and pair up with Zion for years. There are nice role players and MAYBE even nice #3 options in that group, but each has limitations.

That makes the draft picks critical to the Pels.

Obviously, that makes the Lakers #4 overall pick and the Knicks #3 overall picks very attractive. Boston took a massive hit last night when Memphis ended up with the #2 overall pick and left Boston waiting for next year.

Boston now has the #14, 20 and 22 pick in a draft that is not deep and very top heavy. These picks have value to teams looking to get "draft and stash" players, but not to a team looking for building blocks like the Pels will.

Boston's picks are also limited going forward. They have Memphis' 1st rounder (top 6 protected next year, unprotected in 2021) and their own picks. This has value. Boston's picks going forward don't amount to much, as they will be picking in the bottom half of the draft in most likelihood for a number of years- which carries no value to the Pels.

The Lakers, assuming they get a second star for LeBron (such as AD), means their future picks have little value, as they will likely also be in the second half of the first round. They have no other 1st rounders from other teams. Thus, only the #4 overall pick this year has value to the Pels.

The Knicks have the #3 overall pick this year, and two future 1st rounders from Dallas, plus their own. Assuming the Knicks get KD, if the Pels were to send them AD, the Knicks picks going forward would likely have little value for the same reason as the others. However, Dallas' pick may have value. Dallas has two building blocks in Zinger and Doncic- but due to a lack of picks and cap space, not much room to improve

Let's sum up here.

Boston- several possible current players, but guys like Brown are likely off the table for the Pels. They might be able to put together an offer of Memphis' future 1st and Tatum, but with Rozier being an RFA this year, and Brown soon after, that might be about all they can offer that's attractive to the Pels.

The Lakers- can offer their #4 overall pick, Ball, and Kuzma. Maybe the Pels consider Wagner or Hart, but neither move the needle much. Ingram is likely off the table due to FA in 2 years (maybe 1 depending on his deal).

The Knicks can offer the #3 overall pick, Dallas' 2021 1st, Knox, and Robinson. Maybe the Pels consider Smith or French Fry, but that would be as filler.

Taking the above together, from the Pels point of view, I think I would have to rank in order of strongest offer to weakest as: Lakers, Knicks, Boston.
RE: Knicks have a tall mountain to climb to try and trade for AD  
djm : 5/15/2019 11:26 am : link
In comment 14444461 JonC said:
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teams like the Celtics and Lakers have more assets.


I keep seeing people post this about the lakers. Based on what??? They have hot garbage and kuzma and the 4th pick. How on earth is that better than Robinson and the 3rd pick??
RE: I think you Knicks fans  
djm : 5/15/2019 11:27 am : link
In comment 14444477 JonC said:
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are biased here.


You didn’t even mention Robinson from the Knicks. And Robinson is by far the biggest asset on both the lakers and Knicks by a wide margin.
RE: The entire trade discussion above is missing the forest for the trees  
Chris684 : 5/15/2019 11:29 am : link
In comment 14444729 rich in DC said:
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Stop and look at it from N.O.'s perspective.

Right now, their team is Anthony Davis, Jrue Holiday and a bunch of question marks. Maybe they have something in Kenrich Williams (but he's likely just a role player) or Christian Wood (athletic big). After that, a bunch of guys other teams didn't want (Randle, Payton, Okafor) and never-weres.

You take AD off that list, and you have a 15-20 win team with one legitimate NBA starter- Holiday- who is already 29 years old.

If AD doesn't pull his trade request, then Holiday will be on the block as well and the Pels go into full on rebuild around Zion mode.

Zion will be a star- but he won't be able to carry a team by himself. That means the primary goal will be collecting starter level players who are under team control for at least 3-4 years while the Pels rebuild.

All this talk about how the Celtics, Knicks and Celtics assets are this and that misses the bigger picture- namely who do these 3 teams have that will fill the need for a long-term rebuild.

Keep in mind that the Pels are not going to be rushing to take on players hitting RFA in 2 years or so, because they will have to make the choice early in their rebuild whether to commit big dollars to these RFAs at a time when they are still building- and committing big deals to RFA restricts them in the draft and taking the best player available because of the resources committed to one player.

That reduces the motivation of the Pels to consider players who will reach FA within 2 years- like Ingram and Brown.

Instead, they want players with as much team control for as many years as possible- while also committing as little as possible to them financially.

That makes players like Knox, Robinson, Ball, and Kuzma much more attractive to the Pels. However, let's also admit that none of the 3 teams mentioned above has the "sure fire" star who can step right in and pair up with Zion for years. There are nice role players and MAYBE even nice #3 options in that group, but each has limitations.

That makes the draft picks critical to the Pels.

Obviously, that makes the Lakers #4 overall pick and the Knicks #3 overall picks very attractive. Boston took a massive hit last night when Memphis ended up with the #2 overall pick and left Boston waiting for next year.

Boston now has the #14, 20 and 22 pick in a draft that is not deep and very top heavy. These picks have value to teams looking to get "draft and stash" players, but not to a team looking for building blocks like the Pels will.

Boston's picks are also limited going forward. They have Memphis' 1st rounder (top 6 protected next year, unprotected in 2021) and their own picks. This has value. Boston's picks going forward don't amount to much, as they will be picking in the bottom half of the draft in most likelihood for a number of years- which carries no value to the Pels.

The Lakers, assuming they get a second star for LeBron (such as AD), means their future picks have little value, as they will likely also be in the second half of the first round. They have no other 1st rounders from other teams. Thus, only the #4 overall pick this year has value to the Pels.

The Knicks have the #3 overall pick this year, and two future 1st rounders from Dallas, plus their own. Assuming the Knicks get KD, if the Pels were to send them AD, the Knicks picks going forward would likely have little value for the same reason as the others. However, Dallas' pick may have value. Dallas has two building blocks in Zinger and Doncic- but due to a lack of picks and cap space, not much room to improve

Let's sum up here.

Boston- several possible current players, but guys like Brown are likely off the table for the Pels. They might be able to put together an offer of Memphis' future 1st and Tatum, but with Rozier being an RFA this year, and Brown soon after, that might be about all they can offer that's attractive to the Pels.

The Lakers- can offer their #4 overall pick, Ball, and Kuzma. Maybe the Pels consider Wagner or Hart, but neither move the needle much. Ingram is likely off the table due to FA in 2 years (maybe 1 depending on his deal).

The Knicks can offer the #3 overall pick, Dallas' 2021 1st, Knox, and Robinson. Maybe the Pels consider Smith or French Fry, but that would be as filler.

Taking the above together, from the Pels point of view, I think I would have to rank in order of strongest offer to weakest as: Lakers, Knicks, Boston.


You basically outline the reasons why the Knicks have the strongest offer and then rank them behind the Lakers. What am I missing?

The 3 pick is a great deal better than the 4 pick.
RE: Schmeelk  
Pep22 : 5/15/2019 11:30 am : link
In comment 14444652 DanMetroMan said:
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compared Barrett to Jalen Rose. If that's the case you shop the pick.


Its a terrible comp. They're both lefty. That's it.
rich in dc  
JonC : 5/15/2019 11:32 am : link
You da man! LA beat has also heard a very similar package has been discussed (without Ingram).

"The Lakers- can offer their #4 overall pick, Ball, and Kuzma. Maybe the Pels consider Wagner or Hart, but neither move the needle much. Ingram is likely off the table due to FA in 2 years (maybe 1 depending on his deal)."
RE: Knox and Robinson  
djm : 5/15/2019 11:32 am : link
In comment 14444501 JonC said:
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isn't a foundation for getting AD.


But kuzma is??? And Ingram??? Lol...

Oh and the lebron mention by you is even funnier since he would veto that shit so fast your head would spin.

The lakers have Jack shit. Celtics are another story but first Davis would have to going there which is far from a certainty.

Ahh the lakers... I love seeing the fan base hang on to a myth. Sorry Jon but you’re not getting Davis unless nearly every other team decides against Davis and the lakers are all that’s left.
RE: RE: Schmeelk  
DanMetroMan : 5/15/2019 11:33 am : link
In comment 14444735 Pep22 said:
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In comment 14444652 DanMetroMan said:


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compared Barrett to Jalen Rose. If that's the case you shop the pick.



Its a terrible comp. They're both lefty. That's it.


Just to be clear, I wasn't the one making it. I think Barrett has all-star upside but not a potential superstar despite the HS reputation
djm  
JonC : 5/15/2019 11:33 am : link
catch up.
If the Knicks land AD  
JonC : 5/15/2019 11:34 am : link
I'll be the first one to say I was wrong. And, I'm quite sure the Lakers will face an asshole tax to find a way to make the deal.
What about the Bensons just not wanting to send  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/15/2019 11:38 am : link
AD to LAL?
I'd give them 3 and whatever else they want for AD  
90.Cal : 5/15/2019 11:41 am : link
... I might want to wait to see if Ja Morant is there at 3 before doing this.
RE: RE: Schmeelk  
90.Cal : 5/15/2019 11:42 am : link
In comment 14444735 Pep22 said:
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In comment 14444652 DanMetroMan said:


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compared Barrett to Jalen Rose. If that's the case you shop the pick.



Its a terrible comp. They're both lefty. That's it.


Actually no, its not.
If you can  
TommyWiseau : 5/15/2019 11:42 am : link
Get AD for the 3rd pick, Knox, DSJ, 2 or 3 first round picks you absolutely do it. Assuming he is the third max. It is a no brainer, this is Anthony Fucking Davis we are talking about
RE: The entire trade discussion above is missing the forest for the trees  
Giantz_comeback : 5/15/2019 11:44 am : link
In comment 14444729 rich in DC said:
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Stop and look at it from N.O.'s perspective.

Right now, their team is Anthony Davis, Jrue Holiday and a bunch of question marks. Maybe they have something in Kenrich Williams (but he's likely just a role player) or Christian Wood (athletic big). After that, a bunch of guys other teams didn't want (Randle, Payton, Okafor) and never-weres.

You take AD off that list, and you have a 15-20 win team with one legitimate NBA starter- Holiday- who is already 29 years old.

If AD doesn't pull his trade request, then Holiday will be on the block as well and the Pels go into full on rebuild around Zion mode.

Zion will be a star- but he won't be able to carry a team by himself. That means the primary goal will be collecting starter level players who are under team control for at least 3-4 years while the Pels rebuild.

All this talk about how the Celtics, Knicks and Celtics assets are this and that misses the bigger picture- namely who do these 3 teams have that will fill the need for a long-term rebuild.

Keep in mind that the Pels are not going to be rushing to take on players hitting RFA in 2 years or so, because they will have to make the choice early in their rebuild whether to commit big dollars to these RFAs at a time when they are still building- and committing big deals to RFA restricts them in the draft and taking the best player available because of the resources committed to one player.

That reduces the motivation of the Pels to consider players who will reach FA within 2 years- like Ingram and Brown.

Instead, they want players with as much team control for as many years as possible- while also committing as little as possible to them financially.

That makes players like Knox, Robinson, Ball, and Kuzma much more attractive to the Pels. However, let's also admit that none of the 3 teams mentioned above has the "sure fire" star who can step right in and pair up with Zion for years. There are nice role players and MAYBE even nice #3 options in that group, but each has limitations.

That makes the draft picks critical to the Pels.

Obviously, that makes the Lakers #4 overall pick and the Knicks #3 overall picks very attractive. Boston took a massive hit last night when Memphis ended up with the #2 overall pick and left Boston waiting for next year.

Boston now has the #14, 20 and 22 pick in a draft that is not deep and very top heavy. These picks have value to teams looking to get "draft and stash" players, but not to a team looking for building blocks like the Pels will.

Boston's picks are also limited going forward. They have Memphis' 1st rounder (top 6 protected next year, unprotected in 2021) and their own picks. This has value. Boston's picks going forward don't amount to much, as they will be picking in the bottom half of the draft in most likelihood for a number of years- which carries no value to the Pels.

The Lakers, assuming they get a second star for LeBron (such as AD), means their future picks have little value, as they will likely also be in the second half of the first round. They have no other 1st rounders from other teams. Thus, only the #4 overall pick this year has value to the Pels.

The Knicks have the #3 overall pick this year, and two future 1st rounders from Dallas, plus their own. Assuming the Knicks get KD, if the Pels were to send them AD, the Knicks picks going forward would likely have little value for the same reason as the others. However, Dallas' pick may have value. Dallas has two building blocks in Zinger and Doncic- but due to a lack of picks and cap space, not much room to improve

Let's sum up here.

Boston- several possible current players, but guys like Brown are likely off the table for the Pels. They might be able to put together an offer of Memphis' future 1st and Tatum, but with Rozier being an RFA this year, and Brown soon after, that might be about all they can offer that's attractive to the Pels.

The Lakers- can offer their #4 overall pick, Ball, and Kuzma. Maybe the Pels consider Wagner or Hart, but neither move the needle much. Ingram is likely off the table due to FA in 2 years (maybe 1 depending on his deal).

The Knicks can offer the #3 overall pick, Dallas' 2021 1st, Knox, and Robinson. Maybe the Pels consider Smith or French Fry, but that would be as filler.

Taking the above together, from the Pels point of view, I think I would have to rank in order of strongest offer to weakest as: Lakers, Knicks, Boston.


Rich great post.

Lets look at it even deeper:

The way 1st round pick contracts are structured are extremely favorable to an NBA team: Knox, DSJ,Frank,are only about 4.5mill each next year and then the next 2 years are team options and qualifying offers. If they don't play well you decline the team option. If they light it up they have another 2 years of control at reasonable $$$. And Mitchell if he were to be included is even better under 2 mill for the next 3 years and then a team option. You add Barrett to that mix and 1-2 future FRPs that offer IMO could rival that of the Lakers or Boston.

This has lined up very well for the Knicks and Pels. DSJ also gives them a viable PG should they want to trade Holliday as well. Barrett could even be the best prospect of all the guys they get back depending on what they think of him.
RE: If you can  
Giantz_comeback : 5/15/2019 11:46 am : link
In comment 14444760 TommyWiseau said:
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Get AD for the 3rd pick, Knox, DSJ, 2 or 3 first round picks you absolutely do it. Assuming he is the third max. It is a no brainer, this is Anthony Fucking Davis we are talking about


As a win now team absolutely. AD in addition to KD and Kyrie puts us right at the top of the NBA not too dissimilar to what Miami did.
Good  
DanMetroMan : 5/15/2019 11:49 am : link
Barrett breakdown
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RE: If the Knicks land AD  
rich in DC : 5/15/2019 11:54 am : link
In comment 14444743 JonC said:
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I'll be the first one to say I was wrong. And, I'm quite sure the Lakers will face an asshole tax to find a way to make the deal.


I did leave this out of the post above, mainly because the GM who spurned the Lakers has been fired and a new GM is in place.

With that said, if AD does not withdraw his trade request, I suspect that the Pels ownership will have some strong feelings about not letting the Lakers get their way.

Thus, even though the Lakers might be able to put together the best package on paper, emotion MIGHT lead the Pels to take the Knicks offer- which really is not that far behind the Lakers- and both have a significant lead on Boston's potential offers.

In that way, the Pels would get to stick it to the Lakers, ship AD out of the Western Conference, while still getting a quality return.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: The C's have the single best trade asset of any team...  
Gmaniac1 : 5/15/2019 11:55 am : link
In comment 14444723 Really said:
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Ok, so hes a good player when the Celtics are trading him for Davis ...

I never mentioned Rozier as a trade chip for Davis. Again, what on earth are you talking about?
The wild card in this is just how much they would want to move on  
Giantz_comeback : 5/15/2019 11:59 am : link
From Holidays contract they are on the hook for quite a few years on that one. Or do they like a core of lets say :

Mitch
Zion
Knox
Barrett
Holliday/DSJ

+1-2 FRPs

Moving forward?

Can Lakers absorb BOTH contracts ? We could too possibly with the 20% rule but only if we don't sign Kyrie. We'd have to include a bunch of filler to make it work.
filler too.
Don't count out the Zaga kid Clarke having a meteoric rise  
Anakim : 5/15/2019 12:06 pm : link
He may be a better prospect than Hachimura
Also you can sit there and say that 87.3 million is not a factor  
Essex : 5/15/2019 12:15 pm : link
in your decision, but if the Pelicans take this to the edge and wait until the season, let's see how much AD is willing to throw away 90 million and wait to become a free agent. With getting Zion, the Pelicans can now wait a long time to convince AD to stay with Zion, a player that compliments him perfectly.
Can somebody who actually knows college hoops  
Dave in PA : 5/15/2019 12:16 pm : link
Please sell me on RJ Barrett. From the limited I saw, he’s a tweener with an awkward inconsistent shot and seems to lack top athletic ability. I may be totally wrong and I’m not trying to knock the kid, I just don’t know whether he deserves the hype as the third guy in a “3 player draft”.
on another note  
hitdog42 : 5/15/2019 12:17 pm : link
zion and barrett lost to michigan state- maybe not the ideal pairing for top pick
RE: Also you can sit there and say that 87.3 million is not a factor  
Giantz_comeback : 5/15/2019 12:17 pm : link
In comment 14444816 Essex said:
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in your decision, but if the Pelicans take this to the edge and wait until the season, let's see how much AD is willing to throw away 90 million and wait to become a free agent. With getting Zion, the Pelicans can now wait a long time to convince AD to stay with Zion, a player that compliments him perfectly.


Or they can go young and get a ton of building blocks to build around him in a trade.
RE: Can somebody who actually knows college hoops  
Essex : 5/15/2019 12:18 pm : link
In comment 14444818 Dave in PA said:
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Please sell me on RJ Barrett. From the limited I saw, he’s a tweener with an awkward inconsistent shot and seems to lack top athletic ability. I may be totally wrong and I’m not trying to knock the kid, I just don’t know whether he deserves the hype as the third guy in a “3 player draft”.

He also is not a very efficient player, takes tons of shots, can't really dribble to his right. I would be surprised but not shocked if RJ falls from 3 in the next few weeks before the draft, he is that risky a prospect.
not very effectient  
nygiants16 : 5/15/2019 12:19 pm : link
yet he shot 45 percent from the field
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