because they have the extra Dallas draft picks to include and a bunch of young players. It is not even a question. LA can't beat the Knicks. Neither can Boston.
But AD has to want to come here. If he wants to play with Lebron--which I think he does-- it becomes a moot point.
There's the rub, if AD is hellbent on a particular destination, figure his camp lets other NBA teams know it before trading for him. It could bring the price down so a favorite can make the deal.
but if the Pelicans are ok with making contract decisions on Tatum/Brown sooner rather than later - then those guys + picks is appealing. I don't think Rozier can be included because he's a RFA. It would have to be a simultaneous trade or some nonsense - and Rozier would have to want to go there which is a huge assumption.
During the season somehow there was a thought that Boston would try to get him without including Tatum. I don't see how that's realistic.
There's the rub, if AD is hellbent on a particular destination, figure his camp lets other NBA teams know it before trading for him. It could bring the price down so a favorite can make the deal.
Right, so the Pelicans may be in a bind. If AD is basically saying that he would only re-up with the Lakers and the Knicks and the Pelicans don't want to keep him in the conference, the Knicks can get him for less than what is rumored. The third pick would be involved for sure, but I can't imagine it would be much more.
Lakers offer is better. Knicks could, I suppose, dole out five #1 draft picks, but I'm not seeing it otherwise. Someone on the LA beat agrees with me, Lowe of ESPN is on the same path. I've yet to see anyone side with the Knicks, so far.
By no means definitive, but you're not winning me over so far.
theoretically, it should be. Laker offer includes two recent former #2 picks and two other first rounders. The Knicks potential offer includes late lottery guys, an undrafted guy, a second rounder, etc. I wonder if Laker fans are being influenced by this ("how could our two recent high lottery picks not be the best package?").
But, as mentioned several times previously, in reality each Laker player that's been discussed has warts.
Ingram - health concern and one year from RFA.
Ball - injured, off-court drama, and lousy play thus far.
Kuzma - old for a prospect which usually means little upside.
There is lots of projection with the Knick players, but they are MUCH cleaner prospects at this point. And the Knick can offer more/better picks...and more cost controlled years....and all of a sudden it's not hard to see the Pelicans preferring one over the other.
I don't disagree, but you can punch holes in any prospect if you look at them hard enough. It doesn't feel like a convincing exercise. Is it really so hard to do the exact same thing with Knox/Mitch/Smith?
Lakers offer is better. Knicks could, I suppose, dole out five #1 draft picks, but I'm not seeing it otherwise. Someone on the LA beat agrees with me, Lowe of ESPN is on the same path. I've yet to see anyone side with the Knicks, so far.
By no means definitive, but you're not winning me over so far.
Windhorst is on the Knicks side of this debate. Further, he doesn't think the Pelicans have any interest in dealing with the Lakers and that they aren't in the conversation as of now. Link - ( New Window )
theoretically, it should be. Laker offer includes two recent former #2 picks and two other first rounders. The Knicks potential offer includes late lottery guys, an undrafted guy, a second rounder, etc. I wonder if Laker fans are being influenced by this ("how could our two recent high lottery picks not be the best package?").
But, as mentioned several times previously, in reality each Laker player that's been discussed has warts.
Ingram - health concern and one year from RFA.
Ball - injured, off-court drama, and lousy play thus far.
Kuzma - old for a prospect which usually means little upside.
There is lots of projection with the Knick players, but they are MUCH cleaner prospects at this point. And the Knick can offer more/better picks...and more cost controlled years....and all of a sudden it's not hard to see the Pelicans preferring one over the other.
Cleaner prospects? They haven't done anything. Knox was horrible last year. it is funny how you talk about Ball and he was better than Knox. Robinson is JaVale McGee... Frank is just horrible. Where are these stud players you are talking about? Kuzma and Ingram have played big time for whole seasons not some lucky month that you guys are obsessed with. Dude shot .370 from the field with little defense. Give me Ball over him all day and that is saying something. Plus Knox is like the sucky version of Barrett... so why would they want that if they were also drafting Barrett?
and I still take Kuzma, Ball, Pick #4, and future 1 over Knox, #3, Robinson, and Frank. As I said I wouldn't trade Kuzma for Knox, Robinson and Frank combined so what is the cost of moving from #4 to #3 Ball and a pick... gee which is better.
BI is entering his 4th year. Why would the Pelicans want him? He would have to agree to a contract extension as part of the deal, which is highly unlikely imo
Barrett has way more value to them because they have four years of control.
Pelicans have 4 years to convince Zion to stay. That ain't happening with guys who can leave as free agents in a year or two.
It's funny how the Lakers fans keep throwing Frank in
They have all been part of garbage teams for the past 2 seasons. Two of them have some injury issues. One potentially very serious.
Do I think they suck? Absolutely not.
But how do you sell your fanbase (and Zion) on trading Anthony Davis to Lakers for not one headliner guy and picks that are pretty much guaranteed to be average at the very best if you trade Davis there.
I dont have time to read through this entire thread, but the Pelicans recruitment of Zion to resign with them starts day 1. If they trade for that group of Lakers, it's not going to help them keep Zion. Giving him his best buddy from day 1 and a guy who could be a star is a huge deal. I think it's safe to say nothing from the Lakers package has a chance to be a star, and Zion also isn't close with any of them. I don't think that connection between Barrett and Zion can be discounted.
The Pelicans have to start from day 1 trying to get Zion to stay there and not bolt for a big market. If they don't get another star next to him, he's not staying there long term.
The only team that has a trade chip that has the potential to be a star in my opinion is the Knicks. The gap between 3 and 4 is huge, imo. And obviously Barrett and Zion being incredibly close.
Zion left home (Clemson) where everyone thought he would go even the day of his decision to go to Duke. He wants the biggest spotlight. According to reports he badly wanted New York last night. If he's as good as people think he will be, they need to find a way to get a 2nd star next to him. Nothing from the Lakers will accomplish that. Add in that Ingram has 3 years already, Kuzma and Ball two, and I think it's a no brainer to trade for Barrett/Mavs unprotected 1st/and other young pieces.
Pelicans need to do everything possible to avoid another Anthony Davis situation. Surrounding Zion with guys who have zero chance to be a star is a recipe for a repeat of the Davis situation
BI is entering his 4th year. Why would the Pelicans want him? He would have to agree to a contract extension as part of the deal, which is highly unlikely imo
Barrett has way more value to them because they have four years of control.
Pelicans have 4 years to convince Zion to stay. That ain't happening with guys who can leave as free agents in a year or two.
I believe he is restricted meaning you can match right?
wouldn't trade the 3rd pick in this draft for the 4th pick if you gave them Ingram, Ball and Kuzma.
There's a gap between 1 and 2, a gap between 2 and 3, and then the pacific ocean between 3 and 4.
The Pelicans make that trade with the Lakers and they can start the countdown on Zion leaving.
Barrett and Zion being as close as they are can not be discounted. Giving Zion his best buddy and teammate and a guy who people think can be a star will get them off on the right foot.
Guys like Zion are not staying in a market like New Orleans unless they have a 2nd star there. And even then they might not stay.
welcome to New Orleans. Here's 3 guys who have been on bad Lakers teams the entire time they've been there, including one year where LeBron was there.
You think Zion is going to be happy that they picked 3 guys who haven't won a damn thing in the NBA over his buddy from Duke who he believes can be a star?
Does anyone on this planet think any of those 3 lakers has a chance to be a star?
wouldn't trade the 3rd pick in this draft for the 4th pick if you gave them Ingram, Ball and Kuzma.
There's a gap between 1 and 2, a gap between 2 and 3, and then the pacific ocean between 3 and 4.
The Pelicans make that trade with the Lakers and they can start the countdown on Zion leaving.
Barrett and Zion being as close as they are can not be discounted. Giving Zion his best buddy and teammate and a guy who people think can be a star will get them off on the right foot.
Guys like Zion are not staying in a market like New Orleans unless they have a 2nd star there. And even then they might not stay.
And they'd have future cap flexibility with can't be discounted. If you take Ingram and pay him you don't have that flexibility. They can build around what the Knicks can offer and a year or two down the line recruit another max FA.
They have all been part of garbage teams for the past 2 seasons. Two of them have some injury issues. One potentially very serious.
Do I think they suck? Absolutely not.
But how do you sell your fanbase (and Zion) on trading Anthony Davis to Lakers for not one headliner guy and picks that are pretty much guaranteed to be average at the very best if you trade Davis there.
I dont have time to read through this entire thread, but the Pelicans recruitment of Zion to resign with them starts day 1. If they trade for that group of Lakers, it's not going to help them keep Zion. Giving him his best buddy from day 1 and a guy who could be a star is a huge deal. I think it's safe to say nothing from the Lakers package has a chance to be a star, and Zion also isn't close with any of them. I don't think that connection between Barrett and Zion can be discounted.
The Pelicans have to start from day 1 trying to get Zion to stay there and not bolt for a big market. If they don't get another star next to him, he's not staying there long term.
The only team that has a trade chip that has the potential to be a star in my opinion is the Knicks. The gap between 3 and 4 is huge, imo. And obviously Barrett and Zion being incredibly close.
Zion left home (Clemson) where everyone thought he would go even the day of his decision to go to Duke. He wants the biggest spotlight. According to reports he badly wanted New York last night. If he's as good as people think he will be, they need to find a way to get a 2nd star next to him. Nothing from the Lakers will accomplish that. Add in that Ingram has 3 years already, Kuzma and Ball two, and I think it's a no brainer to trade for Barrett/Mavs unprotected 1st/and other young pieces.
Pelicans need to do everything possible to avoid another Anthony Davis situation. Surrounding Zion with guys who have zero chance to be a star is a recipe for a repeat of the Davis situation
Good stuff....
Mitchell, Barrett and Dal unprotected all potentially have higher upsides than what the Lakers can offer. Griffen goes with his buddy from Duke over Lakers offer.
Robinson was better as rookie by all statistical measure than McGee has been in a single season over the entirety of his career. And that was after he didn't play any organized basketball for a full year.
They have all been part of garbage teams for the past 2 seasons. Two of them have some injury issues. One potentially very serious.
Do I think they suck? Absolutely not.
But how do you sell your fanbase (and Zion) on trading Anthony Davis to Lakers for not one headliner guy and picks that are pretty much guaranteed to be average at the very best if you trade Davis there.
I dont have time to read through this entire thread, but the Pelicans recruitment of Zion to resign with them starts day 1. If they trade for that group of Lakers, it's not going to help them keep Zion. Giving him his best buddy from day 1 and a guy who could be a star is a huge deal. I think it's safe to say nothing from the Lakers package has a chance to be a star, and Zion also isn't close with any of them. I don't think that connection between Barrett and Zion can be discounted.
The Pelicans have to start from day 1 trying to get Zion to stay there and not bolt for a big market. If they don't get another star next to him, he's not staying there long term.
The only team that has a trade chip that has the potential to be a star in my opinion is the Knicks. The gap between 3 and 4 is huge, imo. And obviously Barrett and Zion being incredibly close.
Zion left home (Clemson) where everyone thought he would go even the day of his decision to go to Duke. He wants the biggest spotlight. According to reports he badly wanted New York last night. If he's as good as people think he will be, they need to find a way to get a 2nd star next to him. Nothing from the Lakers will accomplish that. Add in that Ingram has 3 years already, Kuzma and Ball two, and I think it's a no brainer to trade for Barrett/Mavs unprotected 1st/and other young pieces.
Pelicans need to do everything possible to avoid another Anthony Davis situation. Surrounding Zion with guys who have zero chance to be a star is a recipe for a repeat of the Davis situation
Brandon Ingram is 21 and a really good player and getting better. I don't think this site even knows about his injury, but it isn't the Chris Bosh issue. He will play and be fine. Kuzma is a finished product. Even if he doesn't get any better having a player like him is nice to go with BI. Again who does the Knicks have that is anything close to either of them to trade? I guess the #3 pick on Barrett but that is it. Maybe the Dallas picks can turn into something? Over Kuzma and BI no way though.
This is a straw man argument. Those are all of the Lakers trade chips on the table. The Knicks have DSJ and two Mavs first rounders in addition to their own future picks they can include.
1st is a nice asset. Nothing crazy, but definitely an asset on the level of Kuzma, Ball, Robinson, Ingram.
There are red flags with Ingram and ball health wise, too.
Again, it comes down to there only chance of keeping Zion long term is pairing him with another star. You're not getting another star to go to New Orleans via free agency to play with him. It doesnt sound like they can convince Davis to stay.
If they can't convince Davis to stay with Zion coming on board, why would they believe they can convince Zion to stay in 5 years if they don't have a star next to him?
If they can't convince Davis to stay, they would be smart to go with the package that nets them a guy who has a chance to be a star and Zions best friend.
Otherwise, they have yet another Davis situation on their hands come 2023-2024
That may seem like a long time from now, but in todays NBA, you have to plan that far in advance when you are a small market like New Orleans. If you don't, you won't be able to keep him
A)Pick #3 (likely pairing Zion with his buddy Barrett)
Knox (super young and rookie of month of december before hitting rookie wall)
Robinson (possibly second highest upside player after Barrett from either team)
DSJ
DAL unprotected pick (highest value of all potential future picks to be offered)
B)Pick #4 (in a 3 player draft)
Brandon Ingram (blod clot concern)
Kuzma
Ball
Give me A. Especially if I'm in the situation N.O. is in.
so no longer with the Frank in there adding DSJ and none of them are as good as BI or Kuzma. Barrett has the best chance, but isn't some given. I actually like De'Andre Hunter if we keep pick 4. I wouldn't be surprised to see him move up honestly. Guy is legit.
1st is a nice asset. Nothing crazy, but definitely an asset on the level of Kuzma, Ball, Robinson, Ingram.
There are red flags with Ingram and ball health wise, too.
Again, it comes down to there only chance of keeping Zion long term is pairing him with another star. You're not getting another star to go to New Orleans via free agency to play with him. It doesnt sound like they can convince Davis to stay.
If they can't convince Davis to stay with Zion coming on board, why would they believe they can convince Zion to stay in 5 years if they don't have a star next to him?
If they can't convince Davis to stay, they would be smart to go with the package that nets them a guy who has a chance to be a star and Zions best friend.
Otherwise, they have yet another Davis situation on their hands come 2023-2024
That may seem like a long time from now, but in todays NBA, you have to plan that far in advance when you are a small market like New Orleans. If you don't, you won't be able to keep him
Mook you leave out the one wild card would they want to shed Jrues albatross contract? Lakers can take it on Knocks unless they forego Kyrie can not. Or maybe they can send him in a separate trade. But that contract adds an interesting dynamic in this.
this needs to be clear. Ingram's blood clot is not the same thing as Chris Bosh. It was a structure type thing not something in his blood that is causing it. It isn't an issue you seem to think it is. So 21 year Ingram is the best player involved in any trade. Yes over Barrett also.
this needs to be clear. Ingram's blood clot is not the same thing as Chris Bosh. It was a structure type thing not something in his blood that is causing it. It isn't an issue you seem to think it is. So 21 year Ingram is the best player involved in any trade. Yes over Barrett also.
this needs to be clear. Ingram's blood clot is not the same thing as Chris Bosh. It was a structure type thing not something in his blood that is causing it. It isn't an issue you seem to think it is. So 21 year Ingram is the best player involved in any trade. Yes over Barrett also.
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ESPN's Dave McMenamin discussed the trade talks during an appearance Monday on The Woj Pod with Adrian Wojnarowski (via Real GM). He noted the situation has since changed because Brandon Ingram, a centerpiece of the Davis proposal, is recovering from surgery on a blood clot.
"I've spoken to people within the Pelicans organization, and they admitted that package was pretty attractive, but they also admitted it looks a lot different now when considering Ingram than it did back then," McMenamin said."
Also, I would bet 99% of teams in the NBA would take Barrett over Ingram if given the choice right now.
The Knicks would laugh at the Lakers if they called ip to offer those 3 and pick 4 for #3 and dallas unprotected first. Knicks would hang up the phone immediately.
No one cares that Ingram and Ball were top picks. They lose their value very quickly if they dont perform and stay healthy. It wasnt long ago Jahlil okafor was a top pick and people acting like he had a lot of trade value.
RE: RE: Are Kyrie and Durant considered a package deal?
this needs to be clear. Ingram's blood clot is not the same thing as Chris Bosh. It was a structure type thing not something in his blood that is causing it. It isn't an issue you seem to think it is. So 21 year Ingram is the best player involved in any trade. Yes over Barrett also.
Did you even listen to that... The guy next to him was like who do the Knicks have... he names some players and he buzzes them out. The only thing they have is both Dallas #1 to go with #3. Everything else is garbage that people don't want.
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But AD has to want to come here. If he wants to play with Lebron--which I think he does-- it becomes a moot point.
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Obviously AD can choose his destiny based on his contract status, but would the Pelicans really risk losing him for nothing?
During the season somehow there was a thought that Boston would try to get him without including Tatum. I don't see how that's realistic.
Right, so the Pelicans may be in a bind. If AD is basically saying that he would only re-up with the Lakers and the Knicks and the Pelicans don't want to keep him in the conference, the Knicks can get him for less than what is rumored. The third pick would be involved for sure, but I can't imagine it would be much more.
I basically said the same about Lakers fans and I need to grow up? Ok.
By no means definitive, but you're not winning me over so far.
theoretically, it should be. Laker offer includes two recent former #2 picks and two other first rounders. The Knicks potential offer includes late lottery guys, an undrafted guy, a second rounder, etc. I wonder if Laker fans are being influenced by this ("how could our two recent high lottery picks not be the best package?").
But, as mentioned several times previously, in reality each Laker player that's been discussed has warts.
Ingram - health concern and one year from RFA.
Ball - injured, off-court drama, and lousy play thus far.
Kuzma - old for a prospect which usually means little upside.
There is lots of projection with the Knick players, but they are MUCH cleaner prospects at this point. And the Knick can offer more/better picks...and more cost controlled years....and all of a sudden it's not hard to see the Pelicans preferring one over the other.
By no means definitive, but you're not winning me over so far.
Windhorst is on the Knicks side of this debate. Further, he doesn't think the Pelicans have any interest in dealing with the Lakers and that they aren't in the conversation as of now.
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theoretically, it should be. Laker offer includes two recent former #2 picks and two other first rounders. The Knicks potential offer includes late lottery guys, an undrafted guy, a second rounder, etc. I wonder if Laker fans are being influenced by this ("how could our two recent high lottery picks not be the best package?").
But, as mentioned several times previously, in reality each Laker player that's been discussed has warts.
Ingram - health concern and one year from RFA.
Ball - injured, off-court drama, and lousy play thus far.
Kuzma - old for a prospect which usually means little upside.
There is lots of projection with the Knick players, but they are MUCH cleaner prospects at this point. And the Knick can offer more/better picks...and more cost controlled years....and all of a sudden it's not hard to see the Pelicans preferring one over the other.
Cleaner prospects? They haven't done anything. Knox was horrible last year. it is funny how you talk about Ball and he was better than Knox. Robinson is JaVale McGee... Frank is just horrible. Where are these stud players you are talking about? Kuzma and Ingram have played big time for whole seasons not some lucky month that you guys are obsessed with. Dude shot .370 from the field with little defense. Give me Ball over him all day and that is saying something. Plus Knox is like the sucky version of Barrett... so why would they want that if they were also drafting Barrett?
Barrett has way more value to them because they have four years of control.
Pelicans have 4 years to convince Zion to stay. That ain't happening with guys who can leave as free agents in a year or two.
They have all been part of garbage teams for the past 2 seasons. Two of them have some injury issues. One potentially very serious.
Do I think they suck? Absolutely not.
But how do you sell your fanbase (and Zion) on trading Anthony Davis to Lakers for not one headliner guy and picks that are pretty much guaranteed to be average at the very best if you trade Davis there.
I dont have time to read through this entire thread, but the Pelicans recruitment of Zion to resign with them starts day 1. If they trade for that group of Lakers, it's not going to help them keep Zion. Giving him his best buddy from day 1 and a guy who could be a star is a huge deal. I think it's safe to say nothing from the Lakers package has a chance to be a star, and Zion also isn't close with any of them. I don't think that connection between Barrett and Zion can be discounted.
The Pelicans have to start from day 1 trying to get Zion to stay there and not bolt for a big market. If they don't get another star next to him, he's not staying there long term.
The only team that has a trade chip that has the potential to be a star in my opinion is the Knicks. The gap between 3 and 4 is huge, imo. And obviously Barrett and Zion being incredibly close.
Zion left home (Clemson) where everyone thought he would go even the day of his decision to go to Duke. He wants the biggest spotlight. According to reports he badly wanted New York last night. If he's as good as people think he will be, they need to find a way to get a 2nd star next to him. Nothing from the Lakers will accomplish that. Add in that Ingram has 3 years already, Kuzma and Ball two, and I think it's a no brainer to trade for Barrett/Mavs unprotected 1st/and other young pieces.
Pelicans need to do everything possible to avoid another Anthony Davis situation. Surrounding Zion with guys who have zero chance to be a star is a recipe for a repeat of the Davis situation
Barrett has way more value to them because they have four years of control.
Pelicans have 4 years to convince Zion to stay. That ain't happening with guys who can leave as free agents in a year or two.
I believe he is restricted meaning you can match right?
There's a gap between 1 and 2, a gap between 2 and 3, and then the pacific ocean between 3 and 4.
The Pelicans make that trade with the Lakers and they can start the countdown on Zion leaving.
Barrett and Zion being as close as they are can not be discounted. Giving Zion his best buddy and teammate and a guy who people think can be a star will get them off on the right foot.
Guys like Zion are not staying in a market like New Orleans unless they have a 2nd star there. And even then they might not stay.
You think Zion is going to be happy that they picked 3 guys who haven't won a damn thing in the NBA over his buddy from Duke who he believes can be a star?
Does anyone on this planet think any of those 3 lakers has a chance to be a star?
There's a gap between 1 and 2, a gap between 2 and 3, and then the pacific ocean between 3 and 4.
The Pelicans make that trade with the Lakers and they can start the countdown on Zion leaving.
Barrett and Zion being as close as they are can not be discounted. Giving Zion his best buddy and teammate and a guy who people think can be a star will get them off on the right foot.
Guys like Zion are not staying in a market like New Orleans unless they have a 2nd star there. And even then they might not stay.
And they'd have future cap flexibility with can't be discounted. If you take Ingram and pay him you don't have that flexibility. They can build around what the Knicks can offer and a year or two down the line recruit another max FA.
They have all been part of garbage teams for the past 2 seasons. Two of them have some injury issues. One potentially very serious.
Do I think they suck? Absolutely not.
But how do you sell your fanbase (and Zion) on trading Anthony Davis to Lakers for not one headliner guy and picks that are pretty much guaranteed to be average at the very best if you trade Davis there.
I dont have time to read through this entire thread, but the Pelicans recruitment of Zion to resign with them starts day 1. If they trade for that group of Lakers, it's not going to help them keep Zion. Giving him his best buddy from day 1 and a guy who could be a star is a huge deal. I think it's safe to say nothing from the Lakers package has a chance to be a star, and Zion also isn't close with any of them. I don't think that connection between Barrett and Zion can be discounted.
The Pelicans have to start from day 1 trying to get Zion to stay there and not bolt for a big market. If they don't get another star next to him, he's not staying there long term.
The only team that has a trade chip that has the potential to be a star in my opinion is the Knicks. The gap between 3 and 4 is huge, imo. And obviously Barrett and Zion being incredibly close.
Zion left home (Clemson) where everyone thought he would go even the day of his decision to go to Duke. He wants the biggest spotlight. According to reports he badly wanted New York last night. If he's as good as people think he will be, they need to find a way to get a 2nd star next to him. Nothing from the Lakers will accomplish that. Add in that Ingram has 3 years already, Kuzma and Ball two, and I think it's a no brainer to trade for Barrett/Mavs unprotected 1st/and other young pieces.
Pelicans need to do everything possible to avoid another Anthony Davis situation. Surrounding Zion with guys who have zero chance to be a star is a recipe for a repeat of the Davis situation
Good stuff....
Mitchell, Barrett and Dal unprotected all potentially have higher upsides than what the Lakers can offer. Griffen goes with his buddy from Duke over Lakers offer.
Then there's a tier of: Dal 1sts, Kuzma, Lonzo, Ingram, Knox, DSJ
Then the rest: Frank, NYK1sts, LAL1sts, Hart, etc.
Robinson was better as rookie by all statistical measure than McGee has been in a single season over the entirety of his career. And that was after he didn't play any organized basketball for a full year.
They have all been part of garbage teams for the past 2 seasons. Two of them have some injury issues. One potentially very serious.
Do I think they suck? Absolutely not.
But how do you sell your fanbase (and Zion) on trading Anthony Davis to Lakers for not one headliner guy and picks that are pretty much guaranteed to be average at the very best if you trade Davis there.
I dont have time to read through this entire thread, but the Pelicans recruitment of Zion to resign with them starts day 1. If they trade for that group of Lakers, it's not going to help them keep Zion. Giving him his best buddy from day 1 and a guy who could be a star is a huge deal. I think it's safe to say nothing from the Lakers package has a chance to be a star, and Zion also isn't close with any of them. I don't think that connection between Barrett and Zion can be discounted.
The Pelicans have to start from day 1 trying to get Zion to stay there and not bolt for a big market. If they don't get another star next to him, he's not staying there long term.
The only team that has a trade chip that has the potential to be a star in my opinion is the Knicks. The gap between 3 and 4 is huge, imo. And obviously Barrett and Zion being incredibly close.
Zion left home (Clemson) where everyone thought he would go even the day of his decision to go to Duke. He wants the biggest spotlight. According to reports he badly wanted New York last night. If he's as good as people think he will be, they need to find a way to get a 2nd star next to him. Nothing from the Lakers will accomplish that. Add in that Ingram has 3 years already, Kuzma and Ball two, and I think it's a no brainer to trade for Barrett/Mavs unprotected 1st/and other young pieces.
Pelicans need to do everything possible to avoid another Anthony Davis situation. Surrounding Zion with guys who have zero chance to be a star is a recipe for a repeat of the Davis situation
Brandon Ingram is 21 and a really good player and getting better. I don't think this site even knows about his injury, but it isn't the Chris Bosh issue. He will play and be fine. Kuzma is a finished product. Even if he doesn't get any better having a player like him is nice to go with BI. Again who does the Knicks have that is anything close to either of them to trade? I guess the #3 pick on Barrett but that is it. Maybe the Dallas picks can turn into something? Over Kuzma and BI no way though.
A)Pick #3
Knox
Robinson
Frank
B)Pick #4
Brandon Ingram
Kuzma
Ball
It is not even close which is better there.
A)Pick #3
Knox
Robinson
Frank
B)Pick #4
Brandon Ingram
Kuzma
Ball
It is not even close which is better there.
This is a straw man argument. Those are all of the Lakers trade chips on the table. The Knicks have DSJ and two Mavs first rounders in addition to their own future picks they can include.
A)Pick #3
Knox
Robinson
Frank
B)Pick #4
Brandon Ingram
Kuzma
Ball
It is not even close which is better there.
Let me help you:
A)RJ Barrett
Knox
Robinson
Dennis Smith JR
B)Darius Garland
Brandon Ingram
Kuzma
Ball
Give me A. Especially if I'm in the situation N.O. is in.
A)Pick #3
Knox
Robinson
Frank
B)Pick #4
Brandon Ingram
Kuzma
Ball
It is not even close which is better there.
actually it is very close..
Ingram is not tradeable right now and ball is not good and has said he doesnt want to play in new orleans...
the number 4 pick is not nearly as valuable as 3...
You also leave out one of the knivks best assets
There are red flags with Ingram and ball health wise, too.
Again, it comes down to there only chance of keeping Zion long term is pairing him with another star. You're not getting another star to go to New Orleans via free agency to play with him. It doesnt sound like they can convince Davis to stay.
If they can't convince Davis to stay with Zion coming on board, why would they believe they can convince Zion to stay in 5 years if they don't have a star next to him?
If they can't convince Davis to stay, they would be smart to go with the package that nets them a guy who has a chance to be a star and Zions best friend.
Otherwise, they have yet another Davis situation on their hands come 2023-2024
That may seem like a long time from now, but in todays NBA, you have to plan that far in advance when you are a small market like New Orleans. If you don't, you won't be able to keep him
A)Pick #3 (likely pairing Zion with his buddy Barrett)
Knox (super young and rookie of month of december before hitting rookie wall)
Robinson (possibly second highest upside player after Barrett from either team)
DSJ
DAL unprotected pick (highest value of all potential future picks to be offered)
B)Pick #4 (in a 3 player draft)
Brandon Ingram (blod clot concern)
Kuzma
Ball
It is not even close which is better there.
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who would you rather have...
A)Pick #3
Knox
Robinson
Frank
B)Pick #4
Brandon Ingram
Kuzma
Ball
It is not even close which is better there.
Let me help you:
A)RJ Barrett
Knox
Robinson
Dennis Smith JR
B)Darius Garland
Brandon Ingram
Kuzma
Ball
Give me A. Especially if I'm in the situation N.O. is in.
so no longer with the Frank in there adding DSJ and none of them are as good as BI or Kuzma. Barrett has the best chance, but isn't some given. I actually like De'Andre Hunter if we keep pick 4. I wouldn't be surprised to see him move up honestly. Guy is legit.
There are red flags with Ingram and ball health wise, too.
Again, it comes down to there only chance of keeping Zion long term is pairing him with another star. You're not getting another star to go to New Orleans via free agency to play with him. It doesnt sound like they can convince Davis to stay.
If they can't convince Davis to stay with Zion coming on board, why would they believe they can convince Zion to stay in 5 years if they don't have a star next to him?
If they can't convince Davis to stay, they would be smart to go with the package that nets them a guy who has a chance to be a star and Zions best friend.
Otherwise, they have yet another Davis situation on their hands come 2023-2024
That may seem like a long time from now, but in todays NBA, you have to plan that far in advance when you are a small market like New Orleans. If you don't, you won't be able to keep him
Mook you leave out the one wild card would they want to shed Jrues albatross contract? Lakers can take it on Knocks unless they forego Kyrie can not. Or maybe they can send him in a separate trade. But that contract adds an interesting dynamic in this.
https://twitter.com/gswchris/status/1128758594638188544
knicks can sign kyrie and kd and still trade for ad
I thought the Knicks had enough for both of them and then have to shed some salaries to add AD.
From last week:
"I've spoken to people within the Pelicans organization, and they admitted that package was pretty attractive, but they also admitted it looks a lot different now when considering Ingram than it did back then," McMenamin said."
Also, I would bet 99% of teams in the NBA would take Barrett over Ingram if given the choice right now.
No one cares that Ingram and Ball were top picks. They lose their value very quickly if they dont perform and stay healthy. It wasnt long ago Jahlil okafor was a top pick and people acting like he had a lot of trade value.
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Or are the Knicks just interested in both? Because if they're a package deal, they can't trade for AD knowing that it'll cost them KD.
I thought the Knicks had enough for both of them and then have to shed some salaries to add AD.
The trade for AD has to be processed LAST because the Knicks need to go over the cap and invoke the 120% rule to execute it.
Knicks can agree in principle to do trade beforehand (I think this is what Cavs did with Love) and then actually process it later.
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this needs to be clear. Ingram's blood clot is not the same thing as Chris Bosh. It was a structure type thing not something in his blood that is causing it. It isn't an issue you seem to think it is. So 21 year Ingram is the best player involved in any trade. Yes over Barrett also.
https://twitter.com/gswchris/status/1128758594638188544
Did you even listen to that... The guy next to him was like who do the Knicks have... he names some players and he buzzes them out. The only thing they have is both Dallas #1 to go with #3. Everything else is garbage that people don't want.