that Ad can't be extended until later in the year. I don't know the reasons for this but i guess it's part of the league rules. Anyway with this being the case, i don't know how you trade all the picks and youth for AD without assurances he is staying past this year.
Sure, you would like to think that he would re-sign with both KD and KI here, but there is no guarantee and if something goes wrong or they don't gel well he can bounce after the year and leave the knicks giving up all their assets for 1 year of him.
this needs to be clear. Ingram's blood clot is not the same thing as Chris Bosh. It was a structure type thing not something in his blood that is causing it. It isn't an issue you seem to think it is. So 21 year Ingram is the best player involved in any trade. Yes over Barrett also.
From last week:
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ESPN's Dave McMenamin discussed the trade talks during an appearance Monday on The Woj Pod with Adrian Wojnarowski (via Real GM). He noted the situation has since changed because Brandon Ingram, a centerpiece of the Davis proposal, is recovering from surgery on a blood clot.
"I've spoken to people within the Pelicans organization, and they admitted that package was pretty attractive, but they also admitted it looks a lot different now when considering Ingram than it did back then," McMenamin said."
Also, I would bet 99% of teams in the NBA would take Barrett over Ingram if given the choice right now.
Again if they were talking the same injury as Chris Bosh it wouldn't be the look at him differently it would be he should retire. It isn't an issue. Barrett over Ingram? Barrett has major flaws... He is a big time bust or boom pick if you ask me. I would take DeAndre Hunter over him if I wanted a more sure thing. Ingram is already good.
The Knicks would laugh at the Lakers if they called ip to offer those 3 and pick 4 for #3 and dallas unprotected first. Knicks would hang up the phone immediately.
No one cares that Ingram and Ball were top picks. They lose their value very quickly if they dont perform and stay healthy. It wasnt long ago Jahlil okafor was a top pick and people acting like he had a lot of trade value.
Brandon Ingram didn't perform? Kuzma didn't perform? Do you even watch basketball. How can you talk about performance and Knicks players in the same breath.
that Ad can't be extended until later in the year. I don't know the reasons for this but i guess it's part of the league rules. Anyway with this being the case, i don't know how you trade all the picks and youth for AD without assurances he is staying past this year.
Sure, you would like to think that he would re-sign with both KD and KI here, but there is no guarantee and if something goes wrong or they don't gel well he can bounce after the year and leave the knicks giving up all their assets for 1 year of him.
And to finish that thought... Dwight Howard. Lakers gave up a lot for him and he said he wanted to be there and then left.
having more value than Barrett is one of the most ridiculous statement ever on BBI. Holy cow
I don't think you know who Brandon Ingram is or seen him play.
Yeah. Definitely have never seen Ingram play. Only followed him in high school at Kingston in NC, saw him play all the time at Duke in his one year, and have watched plenty enough of him in the NBA to know he has zero chance kf being a star. He puts up empty stats on bad teams.
There isnt a GM on the planet who would trade Barrett for Ingram right now. Not one
this needs to be clear. Ingram's blood clot is not the same thing as Chris Bosh. It was a structure type thing not something in his blood that is causing it. It isn't an issue you seem to think it is. So 21 year Ingram is the best player involved in any trade. Yes over Barrett also.
From last week:
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ESPN's Dave McMenamin discussed the trade talks during an appearance Monday on The Woj Pod with Adrian Wojnarowski (via Real GM). He noted the situation has since changed because Brandon Ingram, a centerpiece of the Davis proposal, is recovering from surgery on a blood clot.
"I've spoken to people within the Pelicans organization, and they admitted that package was pretty attractive, but they also admitted it looks a lot different now when considering Ingram than it did back then," McMenamin said."
Also, I would bet 99% of teams in the NBA would take Barrett over Ingram if given the choice right now.
Again if they were talking the same injury as Chris Bosh it wouldn't be the look at him differently it would be he should retire. It isn't an issue. Barrett over Ingram? Barrett has major flaws... He is a big time bust or boom pick if you ask me. I would take DeAndre Hunter over him if I wanted a more sure thing. Ingram is already good.
I just showed you a report from a very reputable reporter with no horse in this race who insinuated that Ingram's injury is a concern to the Pelicans. So you can continue to say it's not the same as Bosh until you're blue in the face but it doesn't mean it's not a concern to the only team that matters in this discussion. Bosh retired because he had a series of blood clots. There might be optimism but it's impossible to say if Ingram will have additional blood clots at this juncture.
Ingram doesn't have major flaws? As college players at duke, Ingram wasn't in Barrett's league. Barrett is also far cheaper for the foreseeable future, he's younger (hence has more room to grow into a star) AND he's Zion's best bud. Give me a break...
this needs to be clear. Ingram's blood clot is not the same thing as Chris Bosh. It was a structure type thing not something in his blood that is causing it. It isn't an issue you seem to think it is. So 21 year Ingram is the best player involved in any trade. Yes over Barrett also.
From last week:
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ESPN's Dave McMenamin discussed the trade talks during an appearance Monday on The Woj Pod with Adrian Wojnarowski (via Real GM). He noted the situation has since changed because Brandon Ingram, a centerpiece of the Davis proposal, is recovering from surgery on a blood clot.
"I've spoken to people within the Pelicans organization, and they admitted that package was pretty attractive, but they also admitted it looks a lot different now when considering Ingram than it did back then," McMenamin said."
Also, I would bet 99% of teams in the NBA would take Barrett over Ingram if given the choice right now.
Again if they were talking the same injury as Chris Bosh it wouldn't be the look at him differently it would be he should retire. It isn't an issue. Barrett over Ingram? Barrett has major flaws... He is a big time bust or boom pick if you ask me. I would take DeAndre Hunter over him if I wanted a more sure thing. Ingram is already good.
I just showed you a report from a very reputable reporter with no horse in this race who insinuated that Ingram's injury is a concern to the Pelicans. So you can continue to say it's not the same as Bosh until you're blue in the face but it doesn't mean it's not a concern to the only team that matters in this discussion. Bosh retired because he had a series of blood clots. There might be optimism but it's impossible to say if Ingram will have additional blood clots at this juncture.
Ingram doesn't have major flaws? As college players at duke, Ingram wasn't in Barrett's league. Barrett is also far cheaper for the foreseeable future, he's younger (hence has more room to grow into a star) AND he's Zion's best bud. Give me a break...
Are so good, why havent the Lakers even sniffed a playoff appearance with them?
Every team scores 90+ points a night. Even the historically bad teams. Someone has to put up big scoring numbers even on bad teams. If Brandon ingram and Kuzma have a lot of value than so does DSJ
Ball is toxic. Kuzma puts up stats but probably isn’t seen as a Â
winning player. Ingram hasn’t exactly shown much before the blood clot. And AD would be playing with an aging LeBron and nobody else, doubt he resigns there.
DSJ, Frank, Knox, #3 this year and another pick might get it done. If not, you hold onto the young players and develop them. Kyrie, Barrett, KD, Robinson, Jordan and the youngsters off the bench would still be a top 3 team in the East.
Are so good, why havent the Lakers even sniffed a playoff appearance with them?
Every team scores 90+ points a night. Even the historically bad teams. Someone has to put up big scoring numbers even on bad teams. If Brandon ingram and Kuzma have a lot of value than so does DSJ
Lakers were a playoff team before injuries and trade talks derailed us... James (55 games), Ball (47 games), Ingram (52), Rondo (46), even Kuzma only played in 70 games. We don't have as many injuries as we had and we aren't picking #4 that is for sure.
RE: Ball is toxic. Kuzma puts up stats but probably isn’t seen as a Â
winning player. Ingram hasn’t exactly shown much before the blood clot. And AD would be playing with an aging LeBron and nobody else, doubt he resigns there.
DSJ, Frank, Knox, #3 this year and another pick might get it done. If not, you hold onto the young players and develop them. Kyrie, Barrett, KD, Robinson, Jordan and the youngsters off the bench would still be a top 3 team in the East.
Ingram hasn't exactly shown much? Come on now. FYI Lakers have the money to sign a max player and bring in AD. So it wouldn't just be Lebron.
Here I looked up an article for you so you can understand it better. Brandon Ingram injury - ( New Window )
Is this your source that you've been using all day to support your case -- his agent? Here's how this works: TOS syndrome is a diagnosis of exclusion which means that it's made when other possibilities are ruled out but it isn't something clinicians can be 100% certain of. All existing data suggests he's at higher risk of additional blood clots than the average person or NBA player. Whether that risk is 2% or 10% isn't known given the limited research that's been done for his specific diagnosis. Ingram's blood clot diagnosis is incredibly rare -- meaning it makes up only a very small percentage of blood clot cases and it isn't well understood (called Paget–Schroetter disease).
have ball, kuzma and ingram donr in the nba besides put up empty stats on bad teams?
They were a playoff team before injuries... Man I feel like I said that before... Ingram, Lebron, Ball, Rondo all miss a huge amount of games and our record went down... Hmmm why is that?
Are so good, why havent the Lakers even sniffed a playoff appearance with them?
Every team scores 90+ points a night. Even the historically bad teams. Someone has to put up big scoring numbers even on bad teams. If Brandon ingram and Kuzma have a lot of value than so does DSJ
Lakers were a playoff team before injuries and trade talks derailed us... James (55 games), Ball (47 games), Ingram (52), Rondo (46), even Kuzma only played in 70 games. We don't have as many injuries as we had and we aren't picking #4 that is for sure.
So, you’re suggesting that the Pelicans should take on a bunch of guys that can’t stay on the court? Is that your point?
with extra 1s doesn't seem satisfying for giving up AD.
I think those pieces are more valuable to the Knicks than they are to NO. I think we're better off using these guys as supplemental pieces to KD and Kyrie. But if they could some swindle the NOP into getting AD. I would be fine with virtually any price. AD+KD+Kyrie+Scraps is the dream scenario. I'm fine with KD+Kyrie+DJord+Kids if AD talks fall through.
Fine with me. I would be excited to have Barrett or Morant and then hope for the best in free agency. The Knicks are in a position to be successful long term, keep all the draft picks, keep coaching up the young guys and see who will sign here. It doesn’t all have to happen at once.
Here I looked up an article for you so you can understand it better. Brandon Ingram injury - ( New Window )
Is this your source that you've been using all day to support your case -- his agent? Here's how this works: TOS syndrome is a diagnosis of exclusion which means that it's made when other possibilities are ruled out but it isn't something clinicians can be 100% certain of. All existing data suggests he's at higher risk of additional blood clots than the average person or NBA player. Whether that risk is 2% or 10% isn't known given the limited research that's been done for his specific diagnosis. Ingram's blood clot diagnosis is incredibly rare -- meaning it makes up only a very small percentage of blood clot cases and it isn't well understood (called Paget–Schroetter disease).
Kuzma for a big guy blocks no shots sucks on the offensive glass and chucks and sucks at three. Care to address those stats.
Sure... Yes he shot worse from 3 this year down from .366 to .303, but he made better decisions with his shot select which is why his shot percentage went up from .450 to .456. I think you will find most shooters shot percentage can rise and dip from year to year, but as he was not hitting them as well he made very good choices and improved his shot selection. He doesn't play down in the post on Def thus is Off rebounds and Blocks will be less.
Saying that who is a better player than Kuzma on your team?
RE: From NO perspective, even if you gave me all Â
with extra 1s doesn't seem satisfying for giving up AD.
I think those pieces are more valuable to the Knicks than they are to NO. I think we're better off using these guys as supplemental pieces to KD and Kyrie. But if they could some swindle the NOP into getting AD. I would be fine with virtually any price. AD+KD+Kyrie+Scraps is the dream scenario. I'm fine with KD+Kyrie+DJord+Kids if AD talks fall through.
Trier was a nice pick up for the Knicks... He was good in the Pac-12. He showed some promise for you guys.
Are so good, why havent the Lakers even sniffed a playoff appearance with them?
Every team scores 90+ points a night. Even the historically bad teams. Someone has to put up big scoring numbers even on bad teams. If Brandon ingram and Kuzma have a lot of value than so does DSJ
Lakers were a playoff team before injuries and trade talks derailed us... James (55 games), Ball (47 games), Ingram (52), Rondo (46), even Kuzma only played in 70 games. We don't have as many injuries as we had and we aren't picking #4 that is for sure.
So, you’re suggesting that the Pelicans should take on a bunch of guys that can’t stay on the court? Is that your point?
I would rather have players that have been injured a little than players that aren't any good. I mean we had those players after the injuries. Should we add Reggie Bullock to the trade and act like he has value like Frank?
To be another DeRozan maybe better cause he’s longer imo. Hopes he’s ok health wise because what happened is scary.
Kuzma is a solid scorer but how much better will he get?
Lonzo is an enigma. Probably a different variation of Ricky Rubio who isnt as bad as people think but isn’t good either.
I don't think Kuzma gets any better. I think that is who is he which is a good player. His shooting from beyond the arc will probably jump back up to the .350 range which is what type of shooter he is from what I have seen.
is that your franchise is currently being run by his (likely) two biggest fans at the moment.
And on the Ingram TOS blood clot issue, you can keep sharing links until you're blue in the face but this is something I happen to know a lot about and anyone claiming to be an expert on Paget-Schroetter syndrome is full of crap given that there aren't many of them in the world -- and they're not making youtube videos about Brandon Ingram.
is that your franchise is currently being run by his (likely) two biggest fans at the moment.
And on the Ingram TOS blood clot issue, you can keep sharing links until you're blue in the face but this is something I happen to know a lot about and anyone claiming to be an expert on Paget-Schroetter syndrome is full of crap given that there aren't many of them in the world -- and they're not making youtube videos about Brandon Ingram.
You are right I shouldn't have linked you to a Dr... My bad brother.
RE: RE: The irony of your continuous Frank bashing Â
is that your franchise is currently being run by his (likely) two biggest fans at the moment.
And on the Ingram TOS blood clot issue, you can keep sharing links until you're blue in the face but this is something I happen to know a lot about and anyone claiming to be an expert on Paget-Schroetter syndrome is full of crap given that there aren't many of them in the world -- and they're not making youtube videos about Brandon Ingram.
You are right I shouldn't have linked you to a Dr... My bad brother.
As I said I wouldn't trade Kuzma for Knox, Robinson and Frank combined
wow that's some fanboy bullshit. I wouldn't trade Mitch straight up for Kuzma. The usual advanced stats like Mitch a LOT better than Kuzma. And of course Kuzma is older and Mitch didn't even play organized ball last season.
As I said I wouldn't trade Kuzma for Knox, Robinson and Frank combined
wow that's some fanboy bullshit. I wouldn't trade Mitch straight up for Kuzma. The usual advanced stats like Mitch a LOT better than Kuzma. And of course Kuzma is older and Mitch didn't even play organized ball last season.
Agreed the Knicks were not organized ball last season
We need two separate threads: 1. Knicks fans and Lakers fans debate who has better assets. 2. Knicks fans discuss whether to keep the pick or trade for AD (if we can get him). I'm really only interested in discussion point 2. I don't give a fuck about the young Lakers players. If NO likes them more, good for you guys, but nobody who's not a Lakers fan cares about them.
I've mentioned a few times in recent weeks that the Knicks might be better off dropping to four or five, rather than two or three - if free agent rumors are to be believed. I wouldn't mind Garland either.
ago when Laker fans used to post that Kobe was better than LeBron AND MJ. Yes, that was a thing that happened pretty regularly.
I don't think Kobe is better than MJ, but I would bet at the time I would say I think Kobe would win one on one against Lebron, but Lebron was better all around. MJ is better than both.
We need two separate threads: 1. Knicks fans and Lakers fans debate who has better assets. 2. Knicks fans discuss whether to keep the pick or trade for AD (if we can get him). I'm really only interested in discussion point 2. I don't give a fuck about the young Lakers players. If NO likes them more, good for you guys, but nobody who's not a Lakers fan cares about them.
I hear you... I will bounce out. I don't want to take away from the Knicks thread.
RE: RE: I skimmed this thread and it is madness. Â
We need two separate threads: 1. Knicks fans and Lakers fans debate who has better assets. 2. Knicks fans discuss whether to keep the pick or trade for AD (if we can get him). I'm really only interested in discussion point 2. I don't give a fuck about the young Lakers players. If NO likes them more, good for you guys, but nobody who's not a Lakers fan cares about them.
I hear you... I will bounce out. I don't want to take away from the Knicks thread.
Sorry I was a little harsh. You're definitely welcome here. My bad.
At 3 you have to take Barrett, he has the highest upside, he could come in right awag and be a dynamic scorer...
Memphis is perfect place for morant
can play combo guard and learn from a true pro, and learn how to defend and run the NBA pick and roll. Quite ideal and very low expectations win wise.
I personally like Barrett but there is def concern on him as more of a volume scorer than efficient guy. a handful of guys that could have big workouts and give him a run at 3.
RE: RE: RE: I skimmed this thread and it is madness. Â
We need two separate threads: 1. Knicks fans and Lakers fans debate who has better assets. 2. Knicks fans discuss whether to keep the pick or trade for AD (if we can get him). I'm really only interested in discussion point 2. I don't give a fuck about the young Lakers players. If NO likes them more, good for you guys, but nobody who's not a Lakers fan cares about them.
I hear you... I will bounce out. I don't want to take away from the Knicks thread.
Sorry I was a little harsh. You're definitely welcome here. My bad.
You weren't harsh... You made a good point. I like debating, but this not what this thread is about. Its all good brother.
At 3 you have to take Barrett, he has the highest upside, he could come in right awag and be a dynamic scorer...
Memphis is perfect place for morant
can play combo guard and learn from a true pro, and learn how to defend and run the NBA pick and roll. Quite ideal and very low expectations win wise.
I personally like Barrett but there is def concern on him as more of a volume scorer than efficient guy. a handful of guys that could have big workouts and give him a run at 3.
Maybe Garland or Culver. Garland is the mystery man of the Draft
Sure, you would like to think that he would re-sign with both KD and KI here, but there is no guarantee and if something goes wrong or they don't gel well he can bounce after the year and leave the knicks giving up all their assets for 1 year of him.
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this needs to be clear. Ingram's blood clot is not the same thing as Chris Bosh. It was a structure type thing not something in his blood that is causing it. It isn't an issue you seem to think it is. So 21 year Ingram is the best player involved in any trade. Yes over Barrett also.
From last week:
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ESPN's Dave McMenamin discussed the trade talks during an appearance Monday on The Woj Pod with Adrian Wojnarowski (via Real GM). He noted the situation has since changed because Brandon Ingram, a centerpiece of the Davis proposal, is recovering from surgery on a blood clot.
"I've spoken to people within the Pelicans organization, and they admitted that package was pretty attractive, but they also admitted it looks a lot different now when considering Ingram than it did back then," McMenamin said."
Also, I would bet 99% of teams in the NBA would take Barrett over Ingram if given the choice right now.
Again if they were talking the same injury as Chris Bosh it wouldn't be the look at him differently it would be he should retire. It isn't an issue. Barrett over Ingram? Barrett has major flaws... He is a big time bust or boom pick if you ask me. I would take DeAndre Hunter over him if I wanted a more sure thing. Ingram is already good.
No one cares that Ingram and Ball were top picks. They lose their value very quickly if they dont perform and stay healthy. It wasnt long ago Jahlil okafor was a top pick and people acting like he had a lot of trade value.
Brandon Ingram didn't perform? Kuzma didn't perform? Do you even watch basketball. How can you talk about performance and Knicks players in the same breath.
Sure, you would like to think that he would re-sign with both KD and KI here, but there is no guarantee and if something goes wrong or they don't gel well he can bounce after the year and leave the knicks giving up all their assets for 1 year of him.
And to finish that thought... Dwight Howard. Lakers gave up a lot for him and he said he wanted to be there and then left.
I don't think you know who Brandon Ingram is or seen him play.
Jahlil Okafor averaged 17 and 7 his rookie year. Now hes close to being out of the NBA and has zero value.
If those three are so good, why have the Lakers sucked the oast few years?
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having more value than Barrett is one of the most ridiculous statement ever on BBI. Holy cow
I don't think you know who Brandon Ingram is or seen him play.
Yeah. Definitely have never seen Ingram play. Only followed him in high school at Kingston in NC, saw him play all the time at Duke in his one year, and have watched plenty enough of him in the NBA to know he has zero chance kf being a star. He puts up empty stats on bad teams.
There isnt a GM on the planet who would trade Barrett for Ingram right now. Not one
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this needs to be clear. Ingram's blood clot is not the same thing as Chris Bosh. It was a structure type thing not something in his blood that is causing it. It isn't an issue you seem to think it is. So 21 year Ingram is the best player involved in any trade. Yes over Barrett also.
From last week:
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ESPN's Dave McMenamin discussed the trade talks during an appearance Monday on The Woj Pod with Adrian Wojnarowski (via Real GM). He noted the situation has since changed because Brandon Ingram, a centerpiece of the Davis proposal, is recovering from surgery on a blood clot.
"I've spoken to people within the Pelicans organization, and they admitted that package was pretty attractive, but they also admitted it looks a lot different now when considering Ingram than it did back then," McMenamin said."
Also, I would bet 99% of teams in the NBA would take Barrett over Ingram if given the choice right now.
Again if they were talking the same injury as Chris Bosh it wouldn't be the look at him differently it would be he should retire. It isn't an issue. Barrett over Ingram? Barrett has major flaws... He is a big time bust or boom pick if you ask me. I would take DeAndre Hunter over him if I wanted a more sure thing. Ingram is already good.
I just showed you a report from a very reputable reporter with no horse in this race who insinuated that Ingram's injury is a concern to the Pelicans. So you can continue to say it's not the same as Bosh until you're blue in the face but it doesn't mean it's not a concern to the only team that matters in this discussion. Bosh retired because he had a series of blood clots. There might be optimism but it's impossible to say if Ingram will have additional blood clots at this juncture.
Ingram doesn't have major flaws? As college players at duke, Ingram wasn't in Barrett's league. Barrett is also far cheaper for the foreseeable future, he's younger (hence has more room to grow into a star) AND he's Zion's best bud. Give me a break...
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In comment 14445353 Amtoft said:
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this needs to be clear. Ingram's blood clot is not the same thing as Chris Bosh. It was a structure type thing not something in his blood that is causing it. It isn't an issue you seem to think it is. So 21 year Ingram is the best player involved in any trade. Yes over Barrett also.
From last week:
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ESPN's Dave McMenamin discussed the trade talks during an appearance Monday on The Woj Pod with Adrian Wojnarowski (via Real GM). He noted the situation has since changed because Brandon Ingram, a centerpiece of the Davis proposal, is recovering from surgery on a blood clot.
"I've spoken to people within the Pelicans organization, and they admitted that package was pretty attractive, but they also admitted it looks a lot different now when considering Ingram than it did back then," McMenamin said."
Also, I would bet 99% of teams in the NBA would take Barrett over Ingram if given the choice right now.
Again if they were talking the same injury as Chris Bosh it wouldn't be the look at him differently it would be he should retire. It isn't an issue. Barrett over Ingram? Barrett has major flaws... He is a big time bust or boom pick if you ask me. I would take DeAndre Hunter over him if I wanted a more sure thing. Ingram is already good.
I just showed you a report from a very reputable reporter with no horse in this race who insinuated that Ingram's injury is a concern to the Pelicans. So you can continue to say it's not the same as Bosh until you're blue in the face but it doesn't mean it's not a concern to the only team that matters in this discussion. Bosh retired because he had a series of blood clots. There might be optimism but it's impossible to say if Ingram will have additional blood clots at this juncture.
Ingram doesn't have major flaws? As college players at duke, Ingram wasn't in Barrett's league. Barrett is also far cheaper for the foreseeable future, he's younger (hence has more room to grow into a star) AND he's Zion's best bud. Give me a break...
Here I looked up an article for you so you can understand it better.
Brandon Ingram injury - ( New Window )
Every team scores 90+ points a night. Even the historically bad teams. Someone has to put up big scoring numbers even on bad teams. If Brandon ingram and Kuzma have a lot of value than so does DSJ
DSJ, Frank, Knox, #3 this year and another pick might get it done. If not, you hold onto the young players and develop them. Kyrie, Barrett, KD, Robinson, Jordan and the youngsters off the bench would still be a top 3 team in the East.
Every team scores 90+ points a night. Even the historically bad teams. Someone has to put up big scoring numbers even on bad teams. If Brandon ingram and Kuzma have a lot of value than so does DSJ
Lakers were a playoff team before injuries and trade talks derailed us... James (55 games), Ball (47 games), Ingram (52), Rondo (46), even Kuzma only played in 70 games. We don't have as many injuries as we had and we aren't picking #4 that is for sure.
DSJ, Frank, Knox, #3 this year and another pick might get it done. If not, you hold onto the young players and develop them. Kyrie, Barrett, KD, Robinson, Jordan and the youngsters off the bench would still be a top 3 team in the East.
Ingram hasn't exactly shown much? Come on now. FYI Lakers have the money to sign a max player and bring in AD. So it wouldn't just be Lebron.
Kuzma would be your best player by far.
Here I looked up an article for you so you can understand it better. Brandon Ingram injury - ( New Window )
Is this your source that you've been using all day to support your case -- his agent? Here's how this works: TOS syndrome is a diagnosis of exclusion which means that it's made when other possibilities are ruled out but it isn't something clinicians can be 100% certain of. All existing data suggests he's at higher risk of additional blood clots than the average person or NBA player. Whether that risk is 2% or 10% isn't known given the limited research that's been done for his specific diagnosis. Ingram's blood clot diagnosis is incredibly rare -- meaning it makes up only a very small percentage of blood clot cases and it isn't well understood (called Paget–Schroetter disease).
They were a playoff team before injuries... Man I feel like I said that before... Ingram, Lebron, Ball, Rondo all miss a huge amount of games and our record went down... Hmmm why is that?
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Are so good, why havent the Lakers even sniffed a playoff appearance with them?
Every team scores 90+ points a night. Even the historically bad teams. Someone has to put up big scoring numbers even on bad teams. If Brandon ingram and Kuzma have a lot of value than so does DSJ
Lakers were a playoff team before injuries and trade talks derailed us... James (55 games), Ball (47 games), Ingram (52), Rondo (46), even Kuzma only played in 70 games. We don't have as many injuries as we had and we aren't picking #4 that is for sure.
So, you’re suggesting that the Pelicans should take on a bunch of guys that can’t stay on the court? Is that your point?
DSJ
Mitch
Knox
Frank
Dotson
Trier
with extra 1s doesn't seem satisfying for giving up AD.
I think those pieces are more valuable to the Knicks than they are to NO. I think we're better off using these guys as supplemental pieces to KD and Kyrie. But if they could some swindle the NOP into getting AD. I would be fine with virtually any price. AD+KD+Kyrie+Scraps is the dream scenario. I'm fine with KD+Kyrie+DJord+Kids if AD talks fall through.
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Here I looked up an article for you so you can understand it better. Brandon Ingram injury - ( New Window )
Is this your source that you've been using all day to support your case -- his agent? Here's how this works: TOS syndrome is a diagnosis of exclusion which means that it's made when other possibilities are ruled out but it isn't something clinicians can be 100% certain of. All existing data suggests he's at higher risk of additional blood clots than the average person or NBA player. Whether that risk is 2% or 10% isn't known given the limited research that's been done for his specific diagnosis. Ingram's blood clot diagnosis is incredibly rare -- meaning it makes up only a very small percentage of blood clot cases and it isn't well understood (called Paget–Schroetter disease).
Ok you need a visual... here you go.
Brandon Ingram injury - ( New Window )
Sure... Yes he shot worse from 3 this year down from .366 to .303, but he made better decisions with his shot select which is why his shot percentage went up from .450 to .456. I think you will find most shooters shot percentage can rise and dip from year to year, but as he was not hitting them as well he made very good choices and improved his shot selection. He doesn't play down in the post on Def thus is Off rebounds and Blocks will be less.
Saying that who is a better player than Kuzma on your team?
DSJ
Mitch
Knox
Frank
Dotson
Trier
with extra 1s doesn't seem satisfying for giving up AD.
I think those pieces are more valuable to the Knicks than they are to NO. I think we're better off using these guys as supplemental pieces to KD and Kyrie. But if they could some swindle the NOP into getting AD. I would be fine with virtually any price. AD+KD+Kyrie+Scraps is the dream scenario. I'm fine with KD+Kyrie+DJord+Kids if AD talks fall through.
Trier was a nice pick up for the Knicks... He was good in the Pac-12. He showed some promise for you guys.
Kuzma is a solid scorer but how much better will he get?
Lonzo is an enigma. Probably a different variation of Ricky Rubio who isnt as bad as people think but isn’t good either.
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Are so good, why havent the Lakers even sniffed a playoff appearance with them?
Every team scores 90+ points a night. Even the historically bad teams. Someone has to put up big scoring numbers even on bad teams. If Brandon ingram and Kuzma have a lot of value than so does DSJ
Lakers were a playoff team before injuries and trade talks derailed us... James (55 games), Ball (47 games), Ingram (52), Rondo (46), even Kuzma only played in 70 games. We don't have as many injuries as we had and we aren't picking #4 that is for sure.
So, you’re suggesting that the Pelicans should take on a bunch of guys that can’t stay on the court? Is that your point?
I would rather have players that have been injured a little than players that aren't any good. I mean we had those players after the injuries. Should we add Reggie Bullock to the trade and act like he has value like Frank?
Kuzma is a solid scorer but how much better will he get?
Lonzo is an enigma. Probably a different variation of Ricky Rubio who isnt as bad as people think but isn’t good either.
I don't think Kuzma gets any better. I think that is who is he which is a good player. His shooting from beyond the arc will probably jump back up to the .350 range which is what type of shooter he is from what I have seen.
And on the Ingram TOS blood clot issue, you can keep sharing links until you're blue in the face but this is something I happen to know a lot about and anyone claiming to be an expert on Paget-Schroetter syndrome is full of crap given that there aren't many of them in the world -- and they're not making youtube videos about Brandon Ingram.
This is to bad.... Ja is really good.
And on the Ingram TOS blood clot issue, you can keep sharing links until you're blue in the face but this is something I happen to know a lot about and anyone claiming to be an expert on Paget-Schroetter syndrome is full of crap given that there aren't many of them in the world -- and they're not making youtube videos about Brandon Ingram.
You are right I shouldn't have linked you to a Dr... My bad brother.
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is that your franchise is currently being run by his (likely) two biggest fans at the moment.
And on the Ingram TOS blood clot issue, you can keep sharing links until you're blue in the face but this is something I happen to know a lot about and anyone claiming to be an expert on Paget-Schroetter syndrome is full of crap given that there aren't many of them in the world -- and they're not making youtube videos about Brandon Ingram.
You are right I shouldn't have linked you to a Dr... My bad brother.
Happy reading :)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=20816319
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=18573433
wow that's some fanboy bullshit. I wouldn't trade Mitch straight up for Kuzma. The usual advanced stats like Mitch a LOT better than Kuzma. And of course Kuzma is older and Mitch didn't even play organized ball last season.
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As I said I wouldn't trade Kuzma for Knox, Robinson and Frank combined
wow that's some fanboy bullshit. I wouldn't trade Mitch straight up for Kuzma. The usual advanced stats like Mitch a LOT better than Kuzma. And of course Kuzma is older and Mitch didn't even play organized ball last season.
Agreed the Knicks were not organized ball last season
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I've mentioned a few times in recent weeks that the Knicks might be better off dropping to four or five, rather than two or three - if free agent rumors are to be believed. I wouldn't mind Garland either.
I don't think Kobe is better than MJ, but I would bet at the time I would say I think Kobe would win one on one against Lebron, but Lebron was better all around. MJ is better than both.
I hope not, but I agree. I think he is really good. I hope this is who the Lakers take if we keep the pick.
I hear you... I will bounce out. I don't want to take away from the Knicks thread.
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We need two separate threads: 1. Knicks fans and Lakers fans debate who has better assets. 2. Knicks fans discuss whether to keep the pick or trade for AD (if we can get him). I'm really only interested in discussion point 2. I don't give a fuck about the young Lakers players. If NO likes them more, good for you guys, but nobody who's not a Lakers fan cares about them.
I hear you... I will bounce out. I don't want to take away from the Knicks thread.
Sorry I was a little harsh. You're definitely welcome here. My bad.
Wasting no time. Welcome to New York, RJ
Memphis is perfect place for morant
can play combo guard and learn from a true pro, and learn how to defend and run the NBA pick and roll. Quite ideal and very low expectations win wise.
I personally like Barrett but there is def concern on him as more of a volume scorer than efficient guy. a handful of guys that could have big workouts and give him a run at 3.
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We need two separate threads: 1. Knicks fans and Lakers fans debate who has better assets. 2. Knicks fans discuss whether to keep the pick or trade for AD (if we can get him). I'm really only interested in discussion point 2. I don't give a fuck about the young Lakers players. If NO likes them more, good for you guys, but nobody who's not a Lakers fan cares about them.
I hear you... I will bounce out. I don't want to take away from the Knicks thread.
Sorry I was a little harsh. You're definitely welcome here. My bad.
You weren't harsh... You made a good point. I like debating, but this not what this thread is about. Its all good brother.
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At 3 you have to take Barrett, he has the highest upside, he could come in right awag and be a dynamic scorer...
Memphis is perfect place for morant
can play combo guard and learn from a true pro, and learn how to defend and run the NBA pick and roll. Quite ideal and very low expectations win wise.
I personally like Barrett but there is def concern on him as more of a volume scorer than efficient guy. a handful of guys that could have big workouts and give him a run at 3.
Maybe Garland or Culver. Garland is the mystery man of the Draft