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RobCrossRiver56 : 5/15/2019 2:00 pm
Odell Beckham Jr.actually believed that being traded from New York to Cleveland would end the constant obsession with his comings and goings.
OBJ's whereabouts continue to be a major discussion point during his first offseason with the Browns, primarily because he has spent so little time with the Browns. After showing up for the first day of the offseason program, Beckham stayed away from the team until Tuesday, the first day of Organized Team Activities. And, after that one day, he’s gone
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4-13  
GothamGiants : 5/15/2019 4:57 pm : link
that's the giants record in games Odell has started over the last 2 years.

Fun facts.
RE: 4-13  
pjcas18 : 5/15/2019 5:06 pm : link
In comment 14445293 GothamGiants said:
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that's the giants record in games Odell has started over the last 2 years.

Fun facts.


What does that mean?

Giants record in games Eli has started the last two seasons is 8 - 23.

Is that a fun fact?
RE: RE: And remember when OBJ showed up out of shape  
BlueLou'sBack : 5/15/2019 5:10 pm : link
In comment 14445290 Bernie said:
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and not knowing the playbook? Neither do I.

I'm going to hunt down every one of you after OBJ has 30 more receptions, 400 more yards and 5 more touchdowns than any wide receiver on the Giants.



Actually, he didn't know the playbook. That's why there was so much frustration with him last year.


That wasn't reported as I recall. Where does that info come from? Certainly that would have made Shurmur, his biggest supporter, sour on him. Eli too I guess.
Gordon's 2013 production was insane.  
Big Blue Blogger : 5/15/2019 5:15 pm : link
GothamGiants said:
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87 catches, 1646 yards, 9 TDs ...
Yup, in 14 games no less, with three different quarterbacks. And those three quarterbacks were Jason Campbell, Brandon Weeden and Brian Hoyer. Even discounting for some garbage-time stat-padding, his run of 36-774-5 over four games is one of the great tears by any receiver ever, especially when you factor in who was throwing those passes.

Gordon's particular issues and very brief peak make him a bad comp for Beckham, but the potential was ridiculous.
If Freddie Kitchens...  
bw in dc : 5/15/2019 5:17 pm : link
can get this team to win 10+ games he's coach of the decade.

The time he's going to spend running around putting pins back into hand grenades is going to be make this the year this longest of his life...
RE: RE: RE: And remember when OBJ showed up out of shape  
Bernie : 5/15/2019 5:19 pm : link
In comment 14445296 BlueLou'sBack said:
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and not knowing the playbook? Neither do I.

I'm going to hunt down every one of you after OBJ has 30 more receptions, 400 more yards and 5 more touchdowns than any wide receiver on the Giants.



Actually, he didn't know the playbook. That's why there was so much frustration with him last year.



That wasn't reported as I recall. Where does that info come from? Certainly that would have made Shurmur, his biggest supporter, sour on him. Eli too I guess.


Bob Papa on SiriusXM has reported on this as recently as last week while responding to a caller and discussing OBJ with Charlie Weiss. Basically this particular caller was bashing Eli for not throwing the ball to OBJ. In response, Bob pointed out that on numerous occasions last season, OBJ was not in the right position as called for by the play design. As usual, Eli would not throw OBJ under the bus in post game interviews.
RE: And remember when OBJ showed up out of shape  
mfsd : 5/15/2019 5:45 pm : link
In comment 14445126 WillieYoung said:
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and not knowing the playbook? Neither do I.

I'm going to hunt down every one of you after OBJ has 30 more receptions, 400 more yards and 5 more touchdowns than any wide receiver on the Giants.


We’ll see. He’s played 59 of a possible 80 games in 5 seasons, let’s see if he can stay on the field.
RE: RE: And remember when OBJ showed up out of shape  
adamg : 5/15/2019 5:46 pm : link
In comment 14445159 Go Terps said:
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and not knowing the playbook? Neither do I.

I'm going to hunt down every one of you after OBJ has 30 more receptions, 400 more yards and 5 more touchdowns than any wide receiver on the Giants.



Yeah, he's all heart. Great teammate. At least he left us with this image before taking the last four games of the season off:



This really has been a wonderful, hilarious offseason.


That is a shameful clip. That may be his Cam moment. Both are special players though. But if you have a choice, you trade high.
adamg  
Go Terps : 5/15/2019 5:47 pm : link
That was late in his last game as a Giant. Appropriate way to go out.
RE: RE: RE: May go down as DG's best 2018 offseason move  
adamg : 5/15/2019 5:50 pm : link
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Interested to see 5 years from now if OBJ was simply a gifted talent who couldn't put it all together a la Josh Gordon.

Josh Gordon would have had to have done anything close to Bekcham's production to warrant such an idiotic comparison.



87 catches, 1646 yards, 9 TDs ...

You can say a lot of things about Gordon, but he is without a doubt 1 of the most talented WRs in the game. Shame he couldn’t work out those “demons” ... incredible talent, on par with the top WRs in the NFL including Odell

Biggest waste of talent I’ve ever seen. “Flash” Gordon - ( New Window )


Odell has had three of those seasons. OBJ has 44 career TDs already. There's no way you can compare Gordon and Beckham NFL career wise. To suggest that Beckham never put it all together is ridiculous.
RE: adamg  
adamg : 5/15/2019 5:56 pm : link
In comment 14445325 Go Terps said:
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That was late in his last game as a Giant. Appropriate way to go out.


It's a big part of what makes the whole trade easy to swallow. That's a heartless play out of a guy who choked in his only post season game. We got Dexter, Peppers, and X man for him plus a ton of cap space. That's a fair deal. We get younger as a team and build around defense, like we used to.
Considering it dumped that albatross of a contract,  
Go Terps : 5/15/2019 6:02 pm : link
the trade was phenomenal. It would have been fine had it just been for a pick. Fans and media were never realistic about his trade value.
By most accounts he was a good teammate.  
Big Blue '56 : 5/15/2019 6:27 pm : link
Who gives a fu*k whether or not he shows up for a VOLUNTARY workout. That’s why they have a CBA..He will undoubtedly be a good teammate in Cleveland and all the negativity will disappear the minute he takes one to the house. Just usual social media unimportant click bait bullshit.

If I was in his situation, I would skip all the OTAs..
RE: RE: RE: RE: May go down as DG's best 2018 offseason move  
GothamGiants : 5/15/2019 6:30 pm : link
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Interested to see 5 years from now if OBJ was simply a gifted talent who couldn't put it all together a la Josh Gordon.

Josh Gordon would have had to have done anything close to Bekcham's production to warrant such an idiotic comparison.



87 catches, 1646 yards, 9 TDs ...

You can say a lot of things about Gordon, but he is without a doubt 1 of the most talented WRs in the game. Shame he couldn’t work out those “demons” ... incredible talent, on par with the top WRs in the NFL including Odell

Biggest waste of talent I’ve ever seen. “Flash” Gordon - ( New Window )



Odell has had three of those seasons. OBJ has 44 career TDs already. There's no way you can compare Gordon and Beckham NFL career wise. To suggest that Beckham never put it all together is ridiculous.


At no point did I ever say anything remotely close to what your arguing against ...
for everyone saying who cares they're voluntary  
Platos : 5/15/2019 6:33 pm : link
wouldn't you want your new players around for as much team activities as possible?

the rookies show up right? i bet free agents do to...

why not OBJ? does he know the playbook already? supposedly he hardly knew ours.

it's just a reflection on his dedication. no other way to spin it.

i do however remember hearing something about him missing meetings due to a previously scheduled vacation that didn't align with the browns schedule. is that what this is or has that already passed?
See lots of great individual plays but not great seasons  
TMS : 5/15/2019 6:34 pm : link
and more injuries in his future. He will be loved in Cleveland, but would have been hammered in NYC for the partying BS. Good for both side that he moved on. Wish him the best
RE: for everyone saying who cares they're voluntary  
Big Blue '56 : 5/15/2019 6:41 pm : link
In comment 14445385 Platos said:
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wouldn't you want your new players around for as much team activities as possible?

the rookies show up right? i bet free agents do to...

why not OBJ? does he know the playbook already? supposedly he hardly knew ours.

it's just a reflection on his dedication. no other way to spin it.

i do however remember hearing something about him missing meetings due to a previously scheduled vacation that didn't align with the browns schedule. is that what this is or has that already passed?


No, I wouldn’t care. He’s a superstar vet and as long as he produces when it matters, I wouldn’t give it a nanosecond of thought. He will bond with his mates soon enough. No biggie for this fan
Needs to get his shit together  
Les in TO : 5/15/2019 6:51 pm : link
Lots of indications he has mental/emotional problems whether or not caused by drugs.
RE: RE: for everyone saying who cares they're voluntary  
Platos : 5/15/2019 6:59 pm : link
In comment 14445395 Big Blue '56 said:
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wouldn't you want your new players around for as much team activities as possible?

the rookies show up right? i bet free agents do to...

why not OBJ? does he know the playbook already? supposedly he hardly knew ours.

it's just a reflection on his dedication. no other way to spin it.

i do however remember hearing something about him missing meetings due to a previously scheduled vacation that didn't align with the browns schedule. is that what this is or has that already passed?



No, I wouldn’t care. He’s a superstar vet and as long as he produces when it matters, I wouldn’t give it a nanosecond of thought. He will bond with his mates soon enough. No biggie for this fan


he's a superstar vet as a Giant though. this isn't like Strahan skipping OTA's in his umpteenth year with the giants. he's on a completely different team.
I'd love to have OBJ and Peppers, Lawrence, Ximines  
Ira : 5/15/2019 7:02 pm : link
and the extra cap room we'll have next season. If it were a matter of talent alone, I'd keep OBJ. But looking at his personal quirks and his injury, the trade looks to me like a clear win for the Giants.
actually, when you are the new guy on the team  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 5/15/2019 7:03 pm : link
making way more than the average player, you should probably be there every minute you can. Leaving does nothing to dispell the notion that you are a selfish player. When he was up for a new contract coming off an injury, he showed up. Otherwise, not so much.
sidenote  
Platos : 5/15/2019 7:09 pm : link
Olivier Vernon was there.

RE: I get the topic  
Q v2.0 : 5/15/2019 7:12 pm : link
In comment 14445071 pjcas18 said:
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and the POV, but OTA's are optional.

The scrutiny and expectation on the players is not fair based on the CBA agreed to by the players and the NFLPA.

mandatory? different story.

but don't make it optional and then make players out to be selfish or uncaring because they don't spend the whole time there.


Fair point, and I agree. I think most people feel that they would have done the last few weeks of joining a new organization a bit differently than OBJ.

Looking forward to the reaction of the most loyal fans in the NFL, Browns fans. What a missed opportunity for the young man to start fresh in Cleveland like LeBron. 🤓
he isn't required to attend but...  
Torrag : 5/15/2019 7:25 pm : link
Give he has a new team, the price they paid to acquire him and the high visibility of the situation you'd hope he would realize the narrative likely to attach itself if he isn't there.

Is OBJ a great talent? Yes, no doubt. Is he a great teammate? Not even close, and his 'popularity' among his peers is irrelevant to that fact.
RE: RE: RE: for everyone saying who cares they're voluntary  
Big Blue '56 : 5/15/2019 7:33 pm : link
In comment 14445416 Platos said:
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wouldn't you want your new players around for as much team activities as possible?

the rookies show up right? i bet free agents do to...

why not OBJ? does he know the playbook already? supposedly he hardly knew ours.

it's just a reflection on his dedication. no other way to spin it.

i do however remember hearing something about him missing meetings due to a previously scheduled vacation that didn't align with the browns schedule. is that what this is or has that already passed?



No, I wouldn’t care. He’s a superstar vet and as long as he produces when it matters, I wouldn’t give it a nanosecond of thought. He will bond with his mates soon enough. No biggie for this fan



he's a superstar vet as a Giant though. this isn't like Strahan skipping OTA's in his umpteenth year with the giants. he's on a completely different team.


Still as a fan don’t care. :)
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adamg : 5/15/2019 7:39 pm : link
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Interested to see 5 years from now if OBJ was simply a gifted talent who couldn't put it all together a la Josh Gordon.

Josh Gordon would have had to have done anything close to Bekcham's production to warrant such an idiotic comparison.



87 catches, 1646 yards, 9 TDs ...

You can say a lot of things about Gordon, but he is without a doubt 1 of the most talented WRs in the game. Shame he couldn’t work out those “demons” ... incredible talent, on par with the top WRs in the NFL including Odell

Biggest waste of talent I’ve ever seen. “Flash” Gordon - ( New Window )



Odell has had three of those seasons. OBJ has 44 career TDs already. There's no way you can compare Gordon and Beckham NFL career wise. To suggest that Beckham never put it all together is ridiculous.



At no point did I ever say anything remotely close to what your arguing against ...


Read what I was responding to.
It is fascinating observing the progression/evolution  
MM_in_NYC : 5/15/2019 7:39 pm : link
of those looking to justify and/or make themselves feel better about the Beckham trade by increasingly over-dramatizing current and past issues.
And, that's why he is no longer a Giant  
short lease : 5/15/2019 7:54 pm : link
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Is it possible to think OBJ and the Browns are going to have an  
CT Charlie : 5/15/2019 8:03 pm : link
excellent season, and also think Gettleman made a good decision for the Giants? I think the Browns will have a better record than we will this season, but trading OBJ was right for the Giants in the long run.
I miss him  
Jimmy Googs : 5/15/2019 8:16 pm : link
and its only May...
RE: That catch V Dallas in his rookie year  
K-Gun? Pop-Gun : 5/15/2019 8:50 pm : link
In comment 14445128 Damon said:
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Ruined him.

The Giants lost that game.
Tom Brady didn't attend all of the Patriot OTAs  
jlukes : 5/15/2019 8:53 pm : link
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GothamGiants : 5/15/2019 8:53 pm : link
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Ruined him.


The Giants lost that game.


His career in a nutshell
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RicosRoidedElbow : 5/15/2019 9:37 pm : link
You should never feel the need to apologize for how you feel but at the same time you should understand that when you choose to express your self in certain ways that it is going to affect the people around you. There are healthy ways to express your self and toxic ways to express your self, and what OBJ has contributed to a toxic environment for his team.

He has said so little, none of which warrants this reaction. People are acting like he pulled a Terrell Owens. Stop. Every single post game interview he's been nothing but a team guy. Even after that Eagles loss he was reasonable and positive.

Look, he's a very passionate, emotional player. He's also a popular target for contempt. But let's stop acting like he's a locker room issue. The team loves him. He's a fixture in the locker room. He could have absolutely handled the interview better. But he so immediately realized that, and stood up in front of the team and addressed them in earnest, remarking that he was very nervous to get up and address the entire team, but also that it was well received. The game they then played was their most electric of the season. He has said so little, none of which warrants this reaction. People are acting like he pulled a Terrell Owens. Stop. Every single post game interview he's been nothing but a team guy. Even after that Eagles loss he was reasonable and positive.

Look, he's a very passionate, emotional player. He's also a popular target for contempt. But let's stop acting like he's a locker room issue. The team loved him. He's a fixture in the locker room. He could have absolutely handled the interview better. But he so immediately realized that, and stood up in front of the team and addressed them in earnest, remarking that he was very nervous to get up and address the entire team, but also that it was well received. The game they then played was their most electric of the season.
When do the Patriots  
Giantimistic : 5/15/2019 10:06 pm : link
Trade. 4th rounder for him? Should be helpful to Brady when Brady is 44 or so.
Great Talent, But  
Percy : 5/15/2019 11:09 pm : link
A head case. Glad this distraction is somewhere else now.
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Route 9 : 5/16/2019 4:11 am : link
In comment 14445587 RicosRoidedElbow said:
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You should never feel the need to apologize for how you feel but at the same time you should understand that when you choose to express your self in certain ways that it is going to affect the people around you. There are healthy ways to express your self and toxic ways to express your self, and what OBJ has contributed to a toxic environment for his team.

He has said so little, none of which warrants this reaction. People are acting like he pulled a Terrell Owens. Stop. Every single post game interview he's been nothing but a team guy. Even after that Eagles loss he was reasonable and positive.

Look, he's a very passionate, emotional player. He's also a popular target for contempt. But let's stop acting like he's a locker room issue. The team loves him. He's a fixture in the locker room. He could have absolutely handled the interview better. But he so immediately realized that, and stood up in front of the team and addressed them in earnest, remarking that he was very nervous to get up and address the entire team, but also that it was well received. The game they then played was their most electric of the season. He has said so little, none of which warrants this reaction. People are acting like he pulled a Terrell Owens. Stop. Every single post game interview he's been nothing but a team guy. Even after that Eagles loss he was reasonable and positive.

Look, he's a very passionate, emotional player. He's also a popular target for contempt. But let's stop acting like he's a locker room issue. The team loved him. He's a fixture in the locker room. He could have absolutely handled the interview better. But he so immediately realized that, and stood up in front of the team and addressed them in earnest, remarking that he was very nervous to get up and address the entire team, but also that it was well received. The game they then played was their most electric of the season.


What in the fuck could you possibly talking about here?

Thanks a ton for the migraine.
It is nice not having to deal with this nonsense.  
ZogZerg : 5/16/2019 6:08 am : link
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''Listen, I have never disputed the fact that it is not important for him to be here, but it is also important for him to be mentally ready to be here,'' Kitchens said following practice. ''I'm not giving him an out by any stretch of imagination, and nobody here knows the conversations that Odell and I have. I'm just saying it is better for him to be here when he can present his best self - emotionally, physically, everything.


Hmm. I guess he isn't "emotionally" ready to be there. LOL.
Practice? Beckham spends 1 day with Browns, leaves again - ( New Window )
RE: Tom Brady didn't attend all of the Patriot OTAs  
ZogZerg : 5/16/2019 6:11 am : link
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Is Tom Brady in a brand new offense will all new teammates?
Sounds like the key browns people  
hitdog42 : 5/16/2019 6:18 am : link
Are much less emotional about it than the giants message board
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mfsd : 5/16/2019 6:32 am : link
In comment 14445714 Route 9 said:
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You should never feel the need to apologize for how you feel but at the same time you should understand that when you choose to express your self in certain ways that it is going to affect the people around you. There are healthy ways to express your self and toxic ways to express your self, and what OBJ has contributed to a toxic environment for his team.

He has said so little, none of which warrants this reaction. People are acting like he pulled a Terrell Owens. Stop. Every single post game interview he's been nothing but a team guy. Even after that Eagles loss he was reasonable and positive.

Look, he's a very passionate, emotional player. He's also a popular target for contempt. But let's stop acting like he's a locker room issue. The team loves him. He's a fixture in the locker room. He could have absolutely handled the interview better. But he so immediately realized that, and stood up in front of the team and addressed them in earnest, remarking that he was very nervous to get up and address the entire team, but also that it was well received. The game they then played was their most electric of the season. He has said so little, none of which warrants this reaction. People are acting like he pulled a Terrell Owens. Stop. Every single post game interview he's been nothing but a team guy. Even after that Eagles loss he was reasonable and positive.

Look, he's a very passionate, emotional player. He's also a popular target for contempt. But let's stop acting like he's a locker room issue. The team loved him. He's a fixture in the locker room. He could have absolutely handled the interview better. But he so immediately realized that, and stood up in front of the team and addressed them in earnest, remarking that he was very nervous to get up and address the entire team, but also that it was well received. The game they then played was their most electric of the season.



What in the fuck could you possibly talking about here?

Thanks a ton for the migraine.


I think he’s trying to say he’s a very passionate, emotional player
I always felt it was obvious OBJ has a problem  
joeinpa : 5/16/2019 8:44 am : link
With authority. Wasn’t his ridiculous interview on ESPN preceded by Mara stating OBJ needed to do more talking on the field and less off it.

Being traded is often viewed as a humbling experience. His attitude with Cleveland up to now seems to show he s determined to demonstrate he has not been humbled at all.

I ve wanted him off the Giants for a while. History has enough evidence to show you can win without a diva WR.
I don't know  
RinR : 5/16/2019 9:12 am : link
I think OBJ is going to light it up this year with Mayfield.

And if the Giants passing game is struggling God help this place.
for fuck sake, who cares about him anymore  
GMAN4LIFE : 5/16/2019 9:37 am : link
he will forever be a giant but now he isn't. He is done people. we should try to let this fool go.
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joeinpa : 5/16/2019 9:41 am : link
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You should never feel the need to apologize for how you feel but at the same time you should understand that when you choose to express your self in certain ways that it is going to affect the people around you. There are healthy ways to express your self and toxic ways to express your self, and what OBJ has contributed to a toxic environment for his team.

He has said so little, none of which warrants this reaction. People are acting like he pulled a Terrell Owens. Stop. Every single post game interview he's been nothing but a team guy. Even after that Eagles loss he was reasonable and positive.

Look, he's a very passionate, emotional player. He's also a popular target for contempt. But let's stop acting like he's a locker room issue. The team loves him. He's a fixture in the locker room. He could have absolutely handled the interview better. But he so immediately realized that, and stood up in front of the team and addressed them in earnest, remarking that he was very nervous to get up and address the entire team, but also that it was well received. The game they then played was their most electric of the season. He has said so little, none of which warrants this reaction. People are acting like he pulled a Terrell Owens. Stop. Every single post game interview he's been nothing but a team guy. Even after that Eagles loss he was reasonable and positive.

Look, he's a very passionate, emotional player. He's also a popular target for contempt. But let's stop acting like he's a locker room issue. The team loved him. He's a fixture in the locker room. He could have absolutely handled the interview better. But he so immediately realized that, and stood up in front of the team and addressed them in earnest, remarking that he was very nervous to get up and address the entire team, but also that it was well received. The game they then played was their most electric of the season.



What in the fuck could you possibly talking about here?

Thanks a ton for the migraine.



I think he’s trying to say he’s a very passionate, emotional player
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No one said he was an issue for his teammates. He was an issue for those running the organization.
RE: I don't know  
FStubbs : 5/16/2019 12:05 pm : link
In comment 14445866 RinR said:
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I think OBJ is going to light it up this year with Mayfield.

And if the Giants passing game is struggling God help this place.


There's almost no doubt the Browns will "win" the trade in 2019 just like the Chargers did when they put Merriman and co on the field.

The key will be afterward.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: May go down as DG's best 2018 offseason move  
Thegratefulhead : 5/16/2019 2:20 pm : link
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Interested to see 5 years from now if OBJ was simply a gifted talent who couldn't put it all together a la Josh Gordon.

Josh Gordon would have had to have done anything close to Bekcham's production to warrant such an idiotic comparison.



87 catches, 1646 yards, 9 TDs ...

You can say a lot of things about Gordon, but he is without a doubt 1 of the most talented WRs in the game. Shame he couldn’t work out those “demons” ... incredible talent, on par with the top WRs in the NFL including Odell

Biggest waste of talent I’ve ever seen. “Flash” Gordon - ( New Window )



Odell has had three of those seasons. OBJ has 44 career TDs already. There's no way you can compare Gordon and Beckham NFL career wise. To suggest that Beckham never put it all together is ridiculous.



At no point did I ever say anything remotely close to what your arguing against ...
Strawman is more common here than on FB.
RE: I don't know  
darren in pdx : 5/16/2019 3:37 pm : link
In comment 14445866 RinR said:
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I think OBJ is going to light it up this year with Mayfield.

And if the Giants passing game is struggling God help this place.


The passing game struggled with him on the field. Though more fault of the shitty o-line, and people will freak out here over anything.

I think OBJ lost a bit off of his fastball last year from the ankle injury, I’m curious to see if he gets it back with another year for it to heal.
OBJ is a very talented wild card  
TMS : 5/18/2019 2:14 pm : link
like a lot of better NFL players. Young guy with $$$ who does what he wants to do. Sure that factored in DGs decision to make the trade. Locker room behavior is very high on his list.
RE: Sounds like the key browns people  
TrueBlue56 : 5/18/2019 2:44 pm : link
In comment 14445727 hitdog42 said:
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Are much less emotional about it than the giants message board


Come on now, you know that the coaches are not allowed and would not say anything more than what kitchens said in regards to any player not attending a voluntary OTA.

By all accounts, John Mara was not happy with the interview Beckham did last year, but it was not reported until after he was traded. You can not seriously take coach speak and say that is how they feel.
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