Odell Beckham Jr.actually believed that being traded from New York to Cleveland would end the constant obsession with his comings and goings.
OBJ's whereabouts continue to be a major discussion point during his first offseason with the Browns, primarily because he has spent so little time with the Browns. After showing up for the first day of the offseason program, Beckham stayed away from the team until Tuesday, the first day of Organized Team Activities. And, after that one day, he’s gone
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The scrutiny and expectation on the players is not fair based on the CBA agreed to by the players and the NFLPA.
mandatory? different story.
but don't make it optional and then make players out to be selfish or uncaring because they don't spend the whole time there.
Eating healthy food instead of eating McDonalds every day is also not mandatory. Would fans or media be in the wrong to scrutinize players who don't take that aspect of their role seriously as well even though it's obviously not mandatory?
I know that's not an exact analogy and there's much more individual incentive to not eat mcdonalds every day as a pro athlete, but at the end of the day it comes down to how serious anyone is about their profession and the organization they are apart of vs. themselves. Everyone has things that they need to attend as part of their job that aren't mandatory but important. Pro athletes are no different, and this 1 element of the CBA being not well thought through doesn't absolve that if 98% of team is participating and the guys who make the rules say it's important, ideally they'd find the time to fit it in. Over the years we've seen plenty of players excused from even mandatory team activities for things like graduations, family situations, etc. so it's not like teams are unreasonably ironclad in what they can control.
He is a headache
He is also a great talent
It is possible to agree with all of these statements, and not be a shit-stirring racist, rather than have to choose sides. He has HOF ability, but couldn't stay on the field, put the spotlight on himself, and for every 1 handed "wow" play he'd make a drop - as he was among the league leaders over a 3 year span.
He wasn't a god. This team has practically been playing without him anyway the last 2 years. He will end up being addition by subtraction.
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With him and Landry, that franchise is going to collapse.
Beckham has to maneuver himself to the west coast within 2 seasons if Howe wants to remain relevant.
With him and Landry, that franchise is going to collapse.
Don't forget about Mayfield.
Let's see how quick the "dawg pound" turns on him after a big drop vs Pitt or Baltimore
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and the POV, but OTA's are optional.
The scrutiny and expectation on the players is not fair based on the CBA agreed to by the players and the NFLPA.
mandatory? different story.
but don't make it optional and then make players out to be selfish or uncaring because they don't spend the whole time there.
Eating healthy food instead of eating McDonalds every day is also not mandatory. Would fans or media be in the wrong to scrutinize players who don't take that aspect of their role seriously as well even though it's obviously not mandatory?
I know that's not an exact analogy and there's much more individual incentive to not eat mcdonalds every day as a pro athlete, but at the end of the day it comes down to how serious anyone is about their profession and the organization they are apart of vs. themselves. Everyone has things that they need to attend as part of their job that aren't mandatory but important. Pro athletes are no different, and this 1 element of the CBA being not well thought through doesn't absolve that if 98% of team is participating and the guys who make the rules say it's important, ideally they'd find the time to fit it in. Over the years we've seen plenty of players excused from even mandatory team activities for things like graduations, family situations, etc. so it's not like teams are unreasonably ironclad in what they can control.
My point is more the expectation he be there.
Call him a bad teammate, selfish, whatever.
but like it or not there is an expectation for players to attend optional activities.
I thought Coughlin and/or the Jags should have been fined $$ or draft picks for his comments.
The NFLPA is the worst sports union.
the argue for the wrong things, since clearly making these activities optional gives the players nothing. Well nothing but a bad rap if they don't attend.
Your comment about should they attend (like should they take care of their bodies) of course. that's not debatable, it would only help the team with repetition and cohesiveness by spending more time together, but that was never my point.
my point was the players get a raw deal here and the blowback is not warranted IMO.
You can get 89 out of 90 players show up and I'd still say that 90th guy is doing what his contract allows him to do.
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Interested to see 5 years from now if OBJ was simply a gifted talent who couldn't put it all together a la Josh Gordon.
Josh Gordon would have had to have done anything close to Bekcham's production to warrant such an idiotic comparison.
87 catches, 1646 yards, 9 TDs ...
You can say a lot of things about Gordon, but he is without a doubt 1 of the most talented WRs in the game. Shame he couldn’t work out those “demons” ... incredible talent, on par with the top WRs in the NFL including Odell
Biggest waste of talent I’ve ever seen.
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Interest in Beckham will wane once the season starts. Eventually he'll just fade down to a punchline in Giants' history...the clown from the boat trip.
I'm going to hunt down every one of you after OBJ has 30 more receptions, 400 more yards and 5 more touchdowns than any wide receiver on the Giants.
Actually, he didn't know the playbook. That's why there was so much frustration with him last year.
You're asking way toomuch, Mr. BBI
Fun facts.
Fun facts.
What does that mean?
Giants record in games Eli has started the last two seasons is 8 - 23.
Is that a fun fact?
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and not knowing the playbook? Neither do I.
I'm going to hunt down every one of you after OBJ has 30 more receptions, 400 more yards and 5 more touchdowns than any wide receiver on the Giants.
Actually, he didn't know the playbook. That's why there was so much frustration with him last year.
That wasn't reported as I recall. Where does that info come from? Certainly that would have made Shurmur, his biggest supporter, sour on him. Eli too I guess.
Gordon's particular issues and very brief peak make him a bad comp for Beckham, but the potential was ridiculous.
The time he's going to spend running around putting pins back into hand grenades is going to be make this the year this longest of his life...
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and not knowing the playbook? Neither do I.
I'm going to hunt down every one of you after OBJ has 30 more receptions, 400 more yards and 5 more touchdowns than any wide receiver on the Giants.
Actually, he didn't know the playbook. That's why there was so much frustration with him last year.
That wasn't reported as I recall. Where does that info come from? Certainly that would have made Shurmur, his biggest supporter, sour on him. Eli too I guess.
Bob Papa on SiriusXM has reported on this as recently as last week while responding to a caller and discussing OBJ with Charlie Weiss. Basically this particular caller was bashing Eli for not throwing the ball to OBJ. In response, Bob pointed out that on numerous occasions last season, OBJ was not in the right position as called for by the play design. As usual, Eli would not throw OBJ under the bus in post game interviews.
I'm going to hunt down every one of you after OBJ has 30 more receptions, 400 more yards and 5 more touchdowns than any wide receiver on the Giants.
We’ll see. He’s played 59 of a possible 80 games in 5 seasons, let’s see if he can stay on the field.
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and not knowing the playbook? Neither do I.
I'm going to hunt down every one of you after OBJ has 30 more receptions, 400 more yards and 5 more touchdowns than any wide receiver on the Giants.
Yeah, he's all heart. Great teammate. At least he left us with this image before taking the last four games of the season off:
This really has been a wonderful, hilarious offseason.
That is a shameful clip. That may be his Cam moment. Both are special players though. But if you have a choice, you trade high.
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Interested to see 5 years from now if OBJ was simply a gifted talent who couldn't put it all together a la Josh Gordon.
Josh Gordon would have had to have done anything close to Bekcham's production to warrant such an idiotic comparison.
87 catches, 1646 yards, 9 TDs ...
You can say a lot of things about Gordon, but he is without a doubt 1 of the most talented WRs in the game. Shame he couldn’t work out those “demons” ... incredible talent, on par with the top WRs in the NFL including Odell
Biggest waste of talent I’ve ever seen. “Flash” Gordon - ( New Window )
Odell has had three of those seasons. OBJ has 44 career TDs already. There's no way you can compare Gordon and Beckham NFL career wise. To suggest that Beckham never put it all together is ridiculous.
It's a big part of what makes the whole trade easy to swallow. That's a heartless play out of a guy who choked in his only post season game. We got Dexter, Peppers, and X man for him plus a ton of cap space. That's a fair deal. We get younger as a team and build around defense, like we used to.
If I was in his situation, I would skip all the OTAs..
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Interested to see 5 years from now if OBJ was simply a gifted talent who couldn't put it all together a la Josh Gordon.
Josh Gordon would have had to have done anything close to Bekcham's production to warrant such an idiotic comparison.
87 catches, 1646 yards, 9 TDs ...
You can say a lot of things about Gordon, but he is without a doubt 1 of the most talented WRs in the game. Shame he couldn’t work out those “demons” ... incredible talent, on par with the top WRs in the NFL including Odell
Biggest waste of talent I’ve ever seen. “Flash” Gordon - ( New Window )
Odell has had three of those seasons. OBJ has 44 career TDs already. There's no way you can compare Gordon and Beckham NFL career wise. To suggest that Beckham never put it all together is ridiculous.
At no point did I ever say anything remotely close to what your arguing against ...
the rookies show up right? i bet free agents do to...
why not OBJ? does he know the playbook already? supposedly he hardly knew ours.
it's just a reflection on his dedication. no other way to spin it.
i do however remember hearing something about him missing meetings due to a previously scheduled vacation that didn't align with the browns schedule. is that what this is or has that already passed?
the rookies show up right? i bet free agents do to...
why not OBJ? does he know the playbook already? supposedly he hardly knew ours.
it's just a reflection on his dedication. no other way to spin it.
i do however remember hearing something about him missing meetings due to a previously scheduled vacation that didn't align with the browns schedule. is that what this is or has that already passed?
No, I wouldn’t care. He’s a superstar vet and as long as he produces when it matters, I wouldn’t give it a nanosecond of thought. He will bond with his mates soon enough. No biggie for this fan
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wouldn't you want your new players around for as much team activities as possible?
the rookies show up right? i bet free agents do to...
why not OBJ? does he know the playbook already? supposedly he hardly knew ours.
it's just a reflection on his dedication. no other way to spin it.
i do however remember hearing something about him missing meetings due to a previously scheduled vacation that didn't align with the browns schedule. is that what this is or has that already passed?
No, I wouldn’t care. He’s a superstar vet and as long as he produces when it matters, I wouldn’t give it a nanosecond of thought. He will bond with his mates soon enough. No biggie for this fan
he's a superstar vet as a Giant though. this isn't like Strahan skipping OTA's in his umpteenth year with the giants. he's on a completely different team.
The scrutiny and expectation on the players is not fair based on the CBA agreed to by the players and the NFLPA.
mandatory? different story.
but don't make it optional and then make players out to be selfish or uncaring because they don't spend the whole time there.
Fair point, and I agree. I think most people feel that they would have done the last few weeks of joining a new organization a bit differently than OBJ.
Looking forward to the reaction of the most loyal fans in the NFL, Browns fans. What a missed opportunity for the young man to start fresh in Cleveland like LeBron. 🤓
Is OBJ a great talent? Yes, no doubt. Is he a great teammate? Not even close, and his 'popularity' among his peers is irrelevant to that fact.
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wouldn't you want your new players around for as much team activities as possible?
the rookies show up right? i bet free agents do to...
why not OBJ? does he know the playbook already? supposedly he hardly knew ours.
it's just a reflection on his dedication. no other way to spin it.
i do however remember hearing something about him missing meetings due to a previously scheduled vacation that didn't align with the browns schedule. is that what this is or has that already passed?
No, I wouldn’t care. He’s a superstar vet and as long as he produces when it matters, I wouldn’t give it a nanosecond of thought. He will bond with his mates soon enough. No biggie for this fan
he's a superstar vet as a Giant though. this isn't like Strahan skipping OTA's in his umpteenth year with the giants. he's on a completely different team.
Still as a fan don’t care. :)
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Interested to see 5 years from now if OBJ was simply a gifted talent who couldn't put it all together a la Josh Gordon.
Josh Gordon would have had to have done anything close to Bekcham's production to warrant such an idiotic comparison.
87 catches, 1646 yards, 9 TDs ...
You can say a lot of things about Gordon, but he is without a doubt 1 of the most talented WRs in the game. Shame he couldn’t work out those “demons” ... incredible talent, on par with the top WRs in the NFL including Odell
Biggest waste of talent I’ve ever seen. “Flash” Gordon - ( New Window )
Odell has had three of those seasons. OBJ has 44 career TDs already. There's no way you can compare Gordon and Beckham NFL career wise. To suggest that Beckham never put it all together is ridiculous.
At no point did I ever say anything remotely close to what your arguing against ...
Read what I was responding to.
The Giants lost that game.
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Ruined him.
The Giants lost that game.
His career in a nutshell
He has said so little, none of which warrants this reaction. People are acting like he pulled a Terrell Owens. Stop. Every single post game interview he's been nothing but a team guy. Even after that Eagles loss he was reasonable and positive.
Look, he's a very passionate, emotional player. He's also a popular target for contempt. But let's stop acting like he's a locker room issue. The team loves him. He's a fixture in the locker room. He could have absolutely handled the interview better. But he so immediately realized that, and stood up in front of the team and addressed them in earnest, remarking that he was very nervous to get up and address the entire team, but also that it was well received. The game they then played was their most electric of the season. He has said so little, none of which warrants this reaction. People are acting like he pulled a Terrell Owens. Stop. Every single post game interview he's been nothing but a team guy. Even after that Eagles loss he was reasonable and positive.
Look, he's a very passionate, emotional player. He's also a popular target for contempt. But let's stop acting like he's a locker room issue. The team loved him. He's a fixture in the locker room. He could have absolutely handled the interview better. But he so immediately realized that, and stood up in front of the team and addressed them in earnest, remarking that he was very nervous to get up and address the entire team, but also that it was well received. The game they then played was their most electric of the season.