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NFT: IGT: Mets (Font) @ Nats (Corbin) Gm. 2; 7:05 (SNY)

jpkmets : 5/15/2019 6:54 pm
Mets, trying to take the first two from the Nats, face a more difficult task than Jeremy Hellickson. Patrick Corbin (3-1, 3.20, 58 K / 50.2 ip) is one of the Nats who has played to the back of his baseball card for the whole season.

The Mets will send this lineup out to try and topple the Nats' southpaw:

McNeil LF
Davis 3B
Cano 2B
Alonso 1B
Conforto RF
Rosario SS
Ramos C
Lagares CF
Font P

Conforto has had surprising success against Corbin (6-14, 4 HR) -- he features the only really positive line against Corbin in this lineup. Hopefully he keeps his recent hot streak going.

LGM!
Here goes fucking Calloway again  
Earl the goat : 5/15/2019 7:04 pm : link
Messing with the lineup
Leave Rosario in two hole. Why drop him?
RE: Here goes fucking Calloway again  
jpkmets : 5/15/2019 7:07 pm : link
In comment 14445420 Earl the goat said:
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Messing with the lineup
Leave Rosario in two hole. Why drop him?


I don't quite get that either -- Rosario has been bad against Corbin, but it's limited (like 2-17 or something).
Font in a world of trouble  
jpkmets : 5/15/2019 7:20 pm : link
early.
Just nothing to get legitimate MLB hitters out  
Rob in Rockaway : 5/15/2019 7:23 pm : link
.
Starting Font was just a bad idea  
Vanzetti : 5/15/2019 7:24 pm : link
Rookie mistake by BVW
No idea why Font was worth trading any asset  
ChaChing : 5/15/2019 7:32 pm : link
vs basically using any of our MiLB choices, shaky as they can be. What even makes Font better than Peterson, Sewald, Oswalt, even Flexen straight up?
Davis making Mickey look less dumb  
jpkmets : 5/15/2019 7:54 pm : link
1 run in on the double.

Be a nice time for Cano to stop sucking.
Cano continues to be essentially  
jpkmets : 5/15/2019 7:57 pm : link
useless.
RE: Davis making Mickey look less dumb  
ChaChing : 5/15/2019 7:58 pm : link
In comment 14445463 jpkmets said:
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1 run in on the double.

Be a nice time for Cano to stop sucking.

So close to tying it up to. Off the bat I thought it was going out
*too  
ChaChing : 5/15/2019 7:59 pm : link
.
Font experiment has to absolutely stop  
jpkmets : 5/15/2019 8:02 pm : link
it's just no bueno to start an "opener" who a) sucks and b) can't give you depth.
Funny thing is aside from the more or less botched SP  
ChaChing : 5/15/2019 8:13 pm : link
situation from the offseason, even NOW given the injuries and with few exterior options, there were as good if not better ones in house

The young guys mentioned, I forgot Gagnon (who's done ok in spots), even running Gsellman if not Lugo out in this situation. I find it funny a guy who is killing it and wants to start in Lugo is repeatedly refused no matter the situation. Instead, they pay for a lesser player who basically has shown nothing more than anyone even at the bottom of your roster
Thanks to Anderson and Brodie  
Metnut : 5/15/2019 8:18 pm : link
for leaving the SP in the system so barren that we have to start Vargas all the fine and even worse on nights like this.

They had two off days before this game back to back and still threw this guy out there! Awful.

Oh well. Corbin and Nats pen can be had. Maybe we show some life tonight.
Botched might be a bit exaggerated  
ChaChing : 5/15/2019 8:18 pm : link
but regardless end of rotation & depth was a known issue since STs that has basically shown to be a problem from day one, especially w/ even the minor injuries to the rotation
Bvw to date is an atrocious gm  
bhill410 : 5/15/2019 8:35 pm : link
I don’t have anything else to add.
The Rays are a very smart organization  
Deejboy : 5/15/2019 8:37 pm : link
if they trade you a pitcher like Font it's because he isn't very good.
RE: The Rays are a very smart organization  
Metnut : 5/15/2019 8:45 pm : link
In comment 14445533 Deejboy said:
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if they trade you a pitcher like Font it's because he isn't very good.


Their #2 guy Bloom, who is highly thought of around baseball as a rising star, wanted the Mets job too. We might’ve really missed an opportunity there.
RE: Bvw to date is an atrocious gm  
allstarjim : 5/15/2019 9:18 pm : link
In comment 14445527 bhill410 said:
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I don’t have anything else to add.


Incorrect. Bad take.
Cano hitting .129 vs lefties with a .320 OPS  
Vanzetti : 5/15/2019 9:34 pm : link
.815 OPS against RHP

I wonder if he sits against some lefties once Lowrie gets back. He really should. But can a guy like Mickey sit a HOFer like Cano?
So other than Font, good pitching all around  
ChaChing : 5/15/2019 9:39 pm : link
But between him and quiet bats vs Corbin, nada today
You have to make Corbin come into the strike zone  
Vanzetti : 5/15/2019 9:42 pm : link
Instead, Mets hitters chased the slider out of the zone all night.
RE: Cano hitting .129 vs lefties with a .320 OPS  
ChaChing : 5/15/2019 9:42 pm : link
In comment 14445586 Vanzetti said:
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.815 OPS against RHP

I wonder if he sits against some lefties once Lowrie gets back. He really should. But can a guy like Mickey sit a HOFer like Cano?

If Frazier's usage is any indication...
I think Frazier gets released when LOwrie is ready  
Vanzetti : 5/15/2019 10:58 pm : link
That’s probably another six weeks. So Todd has that long to show a reason why they should not release him.

But Mets have Dom to back up Alonso, and JD, McNeil and LOwrie can all play 3B. So really he has no place on the team.
When Corbin is on, he's tough  
Metnut : 5/16/2019 9:19 am : link
Font wasn't good, but our pen was. Giving up 5 runs in a few innings is tough, but giving up 5 runs during the whole game means you have a chance to win. The Mets didn't really fight last night.

The Font acquisition itself isn't the problem here. He had some good peripheral stats in a few areas and has interesting stuff. He's a fine project and it's smart to take advantage of a roster crunch in TB to add a project. The problem is that this guy is starting 2 games for us when he's clearly not ready for it since we have no other options.

A lot of posters throughout the summer lamented the lack of starting pitching depth and begged the GM to address it. We're suffering because of it now.
We've been lucky the top SP are mostly healthy but this says it all  
Eric on Li : 5/16/2019 10:22 am : link
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Anthony DiComo @AnthonyDiComo
The Mets are 0-3 in games started by pitchers who weren't in their Opening Day rotation. They've been outscored, 18-5, in those games.


Meanwhile, Gio Gonzalez 4/4 with quality starts, 2-0 record with a 1.7 era. For less $ than we had to pay TDA this year.

Sorry to keep beating this dead horse but playoff races are often decided by 1 or 2 games. Both the NL Central and West last year included. We've already practically forfeited 3 games this year, all against teams they are in direct competition with (St. Lou, SD, WAS) with no solution on the horizon as Font lines up for another start against Washington next week.

If this roster can't even get by when Vargas pulls a hammy, what happens if JDG, Wheeler, or Thor get a blister? Or worse?
It's incredibly frustrating to see last night  
Metnut : 5/16/2019 1:17 pm : link
happen with Font and Gio. Just no reason to even be in that position.

But, another way to look at it is that last night was a schedule loss based on the starting pitching match-up (albeit a mostly self-inflicted one). We have the better starter today. Win today, and take a road series win.

Not winning a road series vs WSH when we missed Scherzer and Strasburg and had 2 of our top 3 going would be frustrating!

Win today, and take some momentum going into our doormats this weekend.
RE: It's incredibly frustrating to see last night  
pjcas18 : 5/16/2019 1:24 pm : link
In comment 14446278 Metnut said:
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happen with Font and Gio. Just no reason to even be in that position.

But, another way to look at it is that last night was a schedule loss based on the starting pitching match-up (albeit a mostly self-inflicted one). We have the better starter today. Win today, and take a road series win.

Not winning a road series vs WSH when we missed Scherzer and Strasburg and had 2 of our top 3 going would be frustrating!

Win today, and take some momentum going into our doormats this weekend.


not off to a great start
Nats starter out with  
Metnut : 5/16/2019 1:49 pm : link
an injury. We've seen the Nats beat up on our "#6" starter. Let's see if we can return the favor and beat up on the weak depth of their bullpen.

A contending team doesn't go quietly today. The bats have to start at least hitting bad pitching. It's not going to get easier after this weekend when most of our Miami games are over with.
Nice contract by Cano  
Metnut : 5/16/2019 2:04 pm : link
Great chance to get back into this game with Conforto, Davis and Nimmo coming up.
Conforto stud!!  
Metnut : 5/16/2019 2:04 pm : link
Lets go!!!
Apparently the Indians just inquired about a Gio trade  
ChaChing : 5/16/2019 2:07 pm : link
per mlbtraderumors.com

Agreed, as I said above, it's amazing they don't look to resolve the SP issue in the offseason when there's options, not when Gio is available, not when guys are missing starts, not when they clearly KNOW Vargas is a weak link given the limits they set on him all season. GG had his worst outing in 4 games yesterday, 5.1 IP 1 ER - as good if not better than Vargas' best this year

Not only that, but paying for a Font level player when you just refused Gio as marginally better than Vargas? At almost the same time as Gio's MIL signing, so THEY knew and still did that? Really dumbfounding
Awesome Conforto!  
ChaChing : 5/16/2019 2:08 pm : link
This one turned pretty quick given the start
.  
pjcas18 : 5/16/2019 2:14 pm : link

Steve Gelbs
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Jeff McNeil is out of the game. He spent a lot of time talking with Mickey Callaway and the trainers during the last half inning. Unclear what happened though.

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Steve Gelbs
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The Mets are calling it abdominal tightness. They say its precautionary.
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The situation with the pitching and Gio is what makes being a Mets  
PhiPsi125 : 5/16/2019 2:17 pm : link
fan so hard. Sure, the perrenial loser teams play a big part. But the idiotic decisions this FO makes year after year just wear you down.

Gio should have been signed in the offseason. End of story.
RE: The situation with the pitching and Gio is what makes being a Mets  
pjcas18 : 5/16/2019 2:21 pm : link
In comment 14446368 PhiPsi125 said:
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fan so hard. Sure, the perrenial loser teams play a big part. But the idiotic decisions this FO makes year after year just wear you down.

Gio should have been signed in the offseason. End of story.


or someone lime him. Having Font make starts for the Mets is maddening. Giving up assets to get Font is beyond maddening.
'when you just refused Gio'  
schabadoo : 5/16/2019 2:22 pm : link
Gio says he decided on the M's instead of the Mets. Sounds like they made an offer.


“The Mets were huge," Gonzalez said Saturday after officially joining the Brewers. “They were not not in it. They were definitely in there. They had such a great rotation. It was a tough decision. The Brewers met my needs."
RE: 'when you just refused Gio'  
Metnut : 5/16/2019 2:25 pm : link
In comment 14446374 schabadoo said:
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Gio says he decided on the M's instead of the Mets. Sounds like they made an offer.


“The Mets were huge," Gonzalez said Saturday after officially joining the Brewers. “They were not not in it. They were definitely in there. They had such a great rotation. It was a tough decision. The Brewers met my needs."


The Mets didn't guarantee him a roster spot (per Mets beat writers).
RE: RE: 'when you just refused Gio'  
schabadoo : 5/16/2019 2:30 pm : link
In comment 14446376 Metnut said:
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In comment 14446374 schabadoo said:


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Gio says he decided on the M's instead of the Mets. Sounds like they made an offer.


“The Mets were huge," Gonzalez said Saturday after officially joining the Brewers. “They were not not in it. They were definitely in there. They had such a great rotation. It was a tough decision. The Brewers met my needs."



The Mets didn't guarantee him a roster spot (per Mets beat writers).


I've heard the rumor.
Conforto also leaving the game  
Metnut : 5/16/2019 3:05 pm : link
with an injury after colliding with cano. Beat writers think concussion protocol is a possibility.
RE: Conforto also leaving the game  
ChaChing : 5/16/2019 3:10 pm : link
In comment 14446432 Metnut said:
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with an injury after colliding with cano. Beat writers think concussion protocol is a possibility.

Yup had a hard, direct smack in the head from Cano's shoulder. It might be ok but he seemed a bit out of sorts when he got up, even stood still & held himself up on Cano for a few moments afterward. My first thought was concussion just from that even b4 seeing the impact on replay clearly
RE: RE: RE: 'when you just refused Gio'  
Eric on Li : 5/16/2019 3:18 pm : link
In comment 14446380 schabadoo said:
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In comment 14446376 Metnut said:


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In comment 14446374 schabadoo said:


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Gio says he decided on the M's instead of the Mets. Sounds like they made an offer.


“The Mets were huge," Gonzalez said Saturday after officially joining the Brewers. “They were not not in it. They were definitely in there. They had such a great rotation. It was a tough decision. The Brewers met my needs."



The Mets didn't guarantee him a roster spot (per Mets beat writers).



I've heard the rumor.


The guy was also still available beyond spring training, after Dowdy/Lockett/Santiago each fizzled. He wasn't exactly like Machado evaluating multiple teams trying to woo him. He was there for the taking not just once but twice and the Mets refused to even give him a roster spot - even when they knew Matz was dealing with his issues and Vargas is Vargas.
When's the last time  
Metnut : 5/16/2019 3:37 pm : link
the Mets won a series vs someone other than the Marlins?
9th inning rally?  
Metnut : 5/16/2019 4:15 pm : link
Let’s do it!
need cano here  
Eric on Li : 5/16/2019 4:19 pm : link
come on just a single.
RE: need cano here  
Metnut : 5/16/2019 4:39 pm : link
In comment 14446516 Eric on Li said:
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come on just a single.


Well we got the single.

Frustrating loss and series. At least Philly getting torched by the Brewers.

NL East looks overrated in this young season.
Conforto  
GF1080 : 5/16/2019 4:45 pm : link
Officially diagnosed with a concussion.
RE: Conforto  
Metnut : 5/16/2019 5:07 pm : link
In comment 14446538 GF1080 said:
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Officially diagnosed with a concussion.


Lineup can't afford to lose him for any length of time. We just don't have the depth at either the MLB or AAA level.
RE: 'when you just refused Gio'  
PhiPsi125 : 5/16/2019 5:09 pm : link
In comment 14446374 schabadoo said:
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Gio says he decided on the M's instead of the Mets. Sounds like they made an offer.


“The Mets were huge," Gonzalez said Saturday after officially joining the Brewers. “They were not not in it. They were definitely in there. They had such a great rotation. It was a tough decision. The Brewers met my needs."


I’m talking about the offseason. They should have signed him then.
RE: RE: Conforto  
Eric on Li : 5/16/2019 5:15 pm : link
In comment 14446556 Metnut said:
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In comment 14446538 GF1080 said:


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Officially diagnosed with a concussion.



Lineup can't afford to lose him for any length of time. We just don't have the depth at either the MLB or AAA level.


Dom Smith to the OF.
Good call  
Metnut : 5/16/2019 5:21 pm : link
Smith and Davis are going to need to get reps in the OF.

RE: When's the last time  
giantsFC : 5/16/2019 8:51 pm : link
In comment 14446471 Metnut said:
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the Mets won a series vs someone other than the Marlins?


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