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Big Rick in FL : 5/15/2019 9:35 pm
Per LeBron's mouthpiece.

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@WindhorstESPN on Anthony Davis trade:

ďIf the Pelicans want to go all young and build around Zion, I think the Knicks have the best package to offerĒ

ďFrom what I understand the Pelicans are not interested in making a deal with the Los Angeles LakersĒ
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RE: Ja Morant  
Greg from LI : 5/16/2019 9:20 am : link
In comment 14445810 Canton said:
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Ja Morant points per possession percentile nationally:

Overall individually: 76th
Overall including assists: 96th
Pick and roll: 56th
Pick and roll including assists: 59th
Transition: 78th
ISO: 72nd
Spot-Up: 77th
Jump shots: 60th
Around basket: 51st
Catch and shoot: 72nd




Could he slide to 3?


Morant is a true floor general. He can score, but what makes him elite is his playmaking. He's an incredible passer.
RE: RE: I'm sure I'm in the minority but  
Metnut : 5/16/2019 9:21 am : link
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if the idea if to bring a player in to play with KD and Irving, I prefer Jarrett Culver at #3. More balanced game than Barrett. Less upside, but still all-star upside IMO. Better and safer pick IMO.



De'Andre Hunter is better than Culver - outplayed him when they were matched up on each other in the NCAA title game.


Sample size of 1.
RE: RE: RE: I'm sure I'm in the minority but  
Metnut : 5/16/2019 9:24 am : link
In comment 14445886 Metnut said:
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if the idea if to bring a player in to play with KD and Irving, I prefer Jarrett Culver at #3. More balanced game than Barrett. Less upside, but still all-star upside IMO. Better and safer pick IMO.



De'Andre Hunter is better than Culver - outplayed him when they were matched up on each other in the NCAA title game.



Sample size of 1.


Not saying Hunter is a bad pick either. Just that I prefer Culver based on his entire body of work and more balanced game. Barrett, Culver and Hunter are the #3, #4 and #5 prospects in the draft IMO (I think most would agree?) and Knicks are in position to take the best of them.

This is a much deeper lottery than people are giving credit for.
Lakers  
TyreeHelmet : 5/16/2019 9:29 am : link
I donít agree with this, but letís just say their trade package is better than than the Knicks. Is it so much better that the Pelicans ownership will give Davis what he wants and send him to LA? I doubt it.

The timing of this trade is going to be tricky. Do they agree to a deal in principle before the draft but donít execute it until after free agency?
People need to stop referring to Anthony Davis...  
Italianju : 5/16/2019 9:30 am : link
as a "good" player or comparing him to trades for guys like McDyess. Anthony Davis is not a good player, he is a 26 year old in his prime HOF who will be one of the top 5 players in the league for the next 5-8 years. I do think the knicks need to be careful and not give away every asset, but ill give up most of them.
Hunter's bigger, a better shooter, and a better defender  
Greg from LI : 5/16/2019 9:33 am : link
6'8" 230 with a 7'1" wingspan.

Culver's really good, don't get me wrong. He's a better passer with a better handle than Dre, and he's a very good defensive player, but not on Dre's level.

I freely admit to being a homer.
RE: People need to stop referring to Anthony Davis...  
Greg from LI : 5/16/2019 9:34 am : link
In comment 14445900 Italianju said:
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as a "good" player or comparing him to trades for guys like McDyess. Anthony Davis is not a good player, he is a 26 year old in his prime HOF who will be one of the top 5 players in the league for the next 5-8 years. I do think the knicks need to be careful and not give away every asset, but ill give up most of them.


This. People keep referencing the Melo trade - that's silly because Melo was never on AD's level as a player.
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larryflower37 : 5/16/2019 9:36 am : link
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if the idea if to bring a player in to play with KD and Irving, I prefer Jarrett Culver at #3. More balanced game than Barrett. Less upside, but still all-star upside IMO. Better and safer pick IMO.



De'Andre Hunter is better than Culver - outplayed him when they were matched up on each other in the NCAA title game.



Sample size of 1.



Not saying Hunter is a bad pick either. Just that I prefer Culver based on his entire body of work and more balanced game. Barrett, Culver and Hunter are the #3, #4 and #5 prospects in the draft IMO (I think most would agree?) and Knicks are in position to take the best of them.

This is a much deeper lottery than people are giving credit for.

Hunter is deadly from 3 and a strong defender which is what you need with KD and another max.
Barrett not hitting the 3 bothers me with 2 max players.
This is why the Knicks deal is legit  
Giantz_comeback : 5/16/2019 9:43 am : link
The Pelicans potential starting lineup for next season:

Jrue Holiday
RJ Barrett
Kevin Knox
Zion Williamson
Mitchell Robinson

Bench:
Dennis Smith Jr.
Frank Jackson
Eítwaun Moore
Christian Wood
Kenrich Williams
Cheick Diallo
Trevon Blueitt


And honestly we may not need to give them Mitchell if we offer the Dal unprotected FRP.

The young guys have higher upside combined with the Dal unprotected pick. Barrett may be their favorite piece of any deal out there. And it usually is about getting the best guy back.
RE: People need to stop referring to Anthony Davis...  
Giantz_comeback : 5/16/2019 9:46 am : link
In comment 14445900 Italianju said:
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as a "good" player or comparing him to trades for guys like McDyess. Anthony Davis is not a good player, he is a 26 year old in his prime HOF who will be one of the top 5 players in the league for the next 5-8 years. I do think the knicks need to be careful and not give away every asset, but ill give up most of them.


Exactly. And our philosophy drastically shifts to win it all when we bring in KD. They won't want the learning curves and potential unknowns of younger unproven players in filling out the roster.
RE: This is why the Knicks deal is legit  
Harvest Blend : 5/16/2019 9:48 am : link
In comment 14445917 Giantz_comeback said:
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The Pelicans potential starting lineup for next season:

Jrue Holiday
RJ Barrett
Kevin Knox
Zion Williamson
Mitchell Robinson

Bench:
Dennis Smith Jr.
Frank Jackson
Eítwaun Moore
Christian Wood
Kenrich Williams
Cheick Diallo
Trevon Blueitt


And honestly we may not need to give them Mitchell if we offer the Dal unprotected FRP.

The young guys have higher upside combined with the Dal unprotected pick. Barrett may be their favorite piece of any deal out there. And it usually is about getting the best guy back.


So which is it? Those 4 guys plus the Dallas unprotected or the 3 guys plus the Dallas unprotected. Or, just the 4 guys?

Not being a wise ass, just don't understand.
RE: I donít want to trade the farm for Davis  
Giantz_comeback : 5/16/2019 9:48 am : link
In comment 14445757 Oscar said:
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I know he is a good player but I donít want to go that route. I would like to see the Knicks build a team for once, supplemented by free agents sure but not big asset draining trades.


Good? Hes 26 and top 5-10 in entire NBA. Id say that's better than good.

KD and AD would probably be the top 2 or 3 guys the Knicks have EVER gotten in FA history if we get them.
RE: I donít want to trade the farm for Davis  
rich in DC : 5/16/2019 9:50 am : link
In comment 14445757 Oscar said:
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I know he is a good player but I donít want to go that route. I would like to see the Knicks build a team for once, supplemented by free agents sure but not big asset draining trades.


People, you CANNOT have it both ways. Unless you have the #1 pick and get a Zio, LeBron or similar type of prospect, you are NOT building a championship team with through the draft.

People also need to keep in mind that Durant will turn 31 in September- meaning that his window- and the window of any team that signs him is going to be very short- maybe 3-4 years. That means if you sign Durant, it is "all-in" now, not later.

The Knicks will try and create a situation where they add two additional stars who are much younger than Durant- like Davis who doesn't even turn 27 until next March- or Irving who also turns 27 in March. In that way, when Durant's contract ends (and he ages out of superstar status), they can add another big star to complement those two.

However, holding onto draft picks does nothing. Let's just assume for a moment that the Dallas pick becomes the #1 pick in that draft- that player doesn't even put on a Knick uniform until October/November 2021. Even then, unless he is a transcendent player (and there aren't any on the horizon for that draft right now), it takes that player 2-3 years to become a star in his own right.

The problem? Let's assume that the Knicks bring in AD and Irving this off-season. Using the above assumption about the #1 overall pick, that player doesn't become useful to those other stars until about 2023- when both AD and Irving are about 32-33 years old- and their windows are closing fast.

Bigger problem is that AD's and Irving's contracts would also expire in the interim. Most FA are going to look at the young guy and think to themselves "he can't help me win a championship" and go elsewhere.

For better or worse, the NBA has become a mercenary league. While system teams like the Spurs have some success- but have won one title in 15 years (2014)- it is usually FA that puts a team over the top.

Golden State DID draft Curry and Thompson- but signed Durant to supplement their run. Would GS have won in 2017 and 2018 without Durant? Maybe, but it sure helped to have him.

Look at Miami with LeBron, or Cleveland after bringing in LeBron. While not getting Love in FA, they don't get that run without that trade (using a top pick to get him).

In short, in the modern era, it is POSSIBLE to partially build through the draft- but that is the exception to the rule that you build for now with FA and trades.

Besides, counting on future 1st rounders is a fools errand- look at Boston, who thought they were smart in loading up on 1st rounders, with the idea that they could turn them into assets. A year ago, having Sacramento and Memphis' first rounders looked like gold.

Now, they have 3 middling picks in a shallow draft- none higher than #14- and those picks don't amount to much or give them leverage. The lottery is unpredictable and as we have learned, having one of the worst, or even the worst record, does not guarantee anything.

Take the sure route and made trades/sign FA. That is the only way to have firm control over your destiny. Anything else is relying on outside factors that you can't control- and can come back to bite you.
RE: RE: This is why the Knicks deal is legit  
Giantz_comeback : 5/16/2019 9:51 am : link
In comment 14445923 Harvest Blend said:
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The Pelicans potential starting lineup for next season:

Jrue Holiday
RJ Barrett
Kevin Knox
Zion Williamson
Mitchell Robinson

Bench:
Dennis Smith Jr.
Frank Jackson
Eítwaun Moore
Christian Wood
Kenrich Williams
Cheick Diallo
Trevon Blueitt


And honestly we may not need to give them Mitchell if we offer the Dal unprotected FRP.

The young guys have higher upside combined with the Dal unprotected pick. Barrett may be their favorite piece of any deal out there. And it usually is about getting the best guy back.



So which is it? Those 4 guys plus the Dallas unprotected or the 3 guys plus the Dallas unprotected. Or, just the 4 guys?

Not being a wise ass, just don't understand.


To make the deal work salary cap wise we likely have to give them every contract greater than 4 million. So that would be DSJ Knox and Frank and the #3 pick (7-8 mill). Mitch is only 1.5 mill or so we can squeeze him in under the cap. Without Mitch they probably ask for an extra FRP.
RE: RE: I donít want to trade the farm for Davis  
Greg from LI : 5/16/2019 9:54 am : link
In comment 14445924 Giantz_comeback said:
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KD and AD would probably be the top 2 or 3 guys the Knicks have EVER gotten in FA history if we get them.


Hell, they'd be in the top handful of players the Knicks have ever had. Frazier, Reed, and Ewing are the only ones I'd say are in the ballpark with them.
RE: RE: RE: I donít want to trade the farm for Davis  
Giantz_comeback : 5/16/2019 10:05 am : link
In comment 14445932 Greg from LI said:
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KD and AD would probably be the top 2 or 3 guys the Knicks have EVER gotten in FA history if we get them.



Hell, they'd be in the top handful of players the Knicks have ever had. Frazier, Reed, and Ewing are the only ones I'd say are in the ballpark with them.


Yes sir. And Kyrie while lower on the list is still probably top 10-15. And that's all at once potentially.
Calling Davis "good" is like calling Ewing "good".  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/16/2019 10:09 am : link
You can have a conversation about Davis not being able to get his teams far by himself in NOLA, but he's top 6-8 in the sport as a legit two way player, his offense is built for the modern NBA. Literally his only flaw seems to be a tendency to get nicked up and miss games.
Knicks can win ...  
Csonka : 5/16/2019 10:15 am : link
with KD, Kyrie and AD

They can also win with KD, Kyrie, Barrett, Knox and Robinson and the pick.

The key is landing the free agents.
RE: Hunter's bigger, a better shooter, and a better defender  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/16/2019 10:24 am : link
In comment 14445904 Greg from LI said:
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6'8" 230 with a 7'1" wingspan.

Culver's really good, don't get me wrong. He's a better passer with a better handle than Dre, and he's a very good defensive player, but not on Dre's level.

I freely admit to being a homer.


Hunter looks like a perfect 3nD player for today's game. He's definitely got a higher floor than Culver or Barrett. He might be the best option for the Knicks.

Assuming AD doesn't happen, Hunter + Robinson are the perfect type of players to surround Durant + Kyrie/Kemba with. And if Knox becomes something valuable, he could be a real x-factor.

Even if you don't get AD, watching all your young pieces around KD/Kyrie or Kemba is going to be really fun. It all starts with KD.
I hate the high floor argument when it comes to prospects.  
Strahan91 : 5/16/2019 10:26 am : link
Guys like WCS and Mikal Bridges come to mind who are supposedly more NBA ready and will contribute right away with a high floor but more often than not it ends in disappointment. The draft is about accumulating talent/assets and it makes sense to take the guy with the highest potential to be a star (Barrett imo and the so called "experts" seem to agree). Otherwise you should trade the pick for someone who won't be a rookie where you know what you're getting.
RE: Knicks can win ...  
Giantz_comeback : 5/16/2019 10:32 am : link
In comment 14445962 Csonka said:
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with KD, Kyrie and AD

They can also win with KD, Kyrie, Barrett, Knox and Robinson and the pick.

The key is landing the free agents.


Playoffs magnify young players inexperience. We can win some games sure but we very likely don't win a championship with that group. Not in the next couple years anyways. With AD on the other hand a guy who is battle tested only 26 and entering his prime years....
RE: RE: Ja Morant  
GiantGrit : 5/16/2019 10:34 am : link
In comment 14445883 Greg from LI said:
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Ja Morant points per possession percentile nationally:

Overall individually: 76th
Overall including assists: 96th
Pick and roll: 56th
Pick and roll including assists: 59th
Transition: 78th
ISO: 72nd
Spot-Up: 77th
Jump shots: 60th
Around basket: 51st
Catch and shoot: 72nd




Could he slide to 3?



Morant is a true floor general. He can score, but what makes him elite is his playmaking. He's an incredible passer.


At any given moment he can pass with any hand which i noticed a lot when watching him. I think he is going to be a top 5 point guard. Yes he is by no means a 3 point specialist but he shot 36% on the year so i'm not worried about that. Has everything you want in a point guard.
that Noah stretch money  
GMEN46 : 5/16/2019 10:35 am : link
Is killiing is right now if we ant KD, Kyrie and AD. An extra $6.5 mil in space would be huge.

I know the knicks signed A few guys to non guaranteed deals at year end with player option, ie kadeem Allen, Garrett, Jenkins and the ellerson. Can knicks sign Kd and Kyrie. Then guarantee All if these guys as part of AD package. I would assume it adds up to roughly $5 mil?

Also is there a chance there is a surprise to the upside with the salary cap? I think itís set at $108, is it ever actually higher? Even if it came in at $3 mil higher it would be huge for knicks
RE: that Noah stretch money  
Jim in Fairfax : 5/16/2019 10:46 am : link
In comment 14446002 GMEN46 said:
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Also is there a chance there is a surprise to the upside with the salary cap? I think itís set at $108, is it ever actually higher? Even if it came in at $3 mil higher it would be huge for knicks

The cap is projected to be $109M. The final number is set next month. Itís not impossible it could go up, but unlikely since they just reaffirmed the projection last month.
RE: that Noah stretch money  
Giantz_comeback : 5/16/2019 10:46 am : link
In comment 14446002 GMEN46 said:
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Is killiing is right now if we ant KD, Kyrie and AD. An extra $6.5 mil in space would be huge.

I know the knicks signed A few guys to non guaranteed deals at year end with player option, ie kadeem Allen, Garrett, Jenkins and the ellerson. Can knicks sign Kd and Kyrie. Then guarantee All if these guys as part of AD package. I would assume it adds up to roughly $5 mil?

Also is there a chance there is a surprise to the upside with the salary cap? I think itís set at $108, is it ever actually higher? Even if it came in at $3 mil higher it would be huge for knicks


We can still make it work.

Renounce Thomas at 1 mill cap hit. All 4 mill salaries back to NOLA. DSJ,Knox, Frank and #3 (7-8 mill) send back over. Use soft cap rules to fill out roster. MLE , mid room exception , Vet min signings can all go over cap.
RE: RE: that Noah stretch money  
Giantz_comeback : 5/16/2019 10:49 am : link
In comment 14446022 Giantz_comeback said:
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Is killiing is right now if we ant KD, Kyrie and AD. An extra $6.5 mil in space would be huge.

I know the knicks signed A few guys to non guaranteed deals at year end with player option, ie kadeem Allen, Garrett, Jenkins and the ellerson. Can knicks sign Kd and Kyrie. Then guarantee All if these guys as part of AD package. I would assume it adds up to roughly $5 mil?

Also is there a chance there is a surprise to the upside with the salary cap? I think itís set at $108, is it ever actually higher? Even if it came in at $3 mil higher it would be huge for knicks



We can still make it work.

Renounce Thomas at 1 mill cap hit. All 4 mill salaries back to NOLA. DSJ,Knox, Frank and #3 (7-8 mill) send back over. Use soft cap rules to fill out roster. MLE , mid room exception , Vet min signings can all go over cap.


Also for a trade you can use the 120% rule and go over the cap.

Meaning if ADs salary is about 27 mill we only need to send back 21.6 mill in salary for it to work.
My point is I donít want to trade all of those $4 mil salaries  
GMEN46 : 5/16/2019 11:42 am : link
I think DSJr, Barrett trier or Frank and 2 first rounders should be enough otherwise I am not interested. If we had the Noah cap space and sent all of those nongurantees deals then it would be easy to make trade and not have to include every player
RE: My point is I donít want to trade all of those $4 mil salaries  
Big Rick in FL : 5/16/2019 12:02 pm : link
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I think DSJr, Barrett trier or Frank and 2 first rounders should be enough otherwise I am not interested. If we had the Noah cap space and sent all of those nongurantees deals then it would be easy to make trade and not have to include every player


There is no possible way you think that's enough to get Anthony Davis. 1 rookie, 1 average player and 2 shitty players with 2 picks that we have no idea where they end up. You think the Pelicans are gonna do that?
RE: RE: Iím very worried about overpaying for AD  
TommyWiseau : 5/16/2019 12:09 pm : link
In comment 14445607 Big Rick in FL said:
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#3, Knox, Robinson, DSJR & future 1st would be a mistake imo.



Why? The NBA is a star league. None of those guys will ever be stars. A trio of KD, Kyrie & AD gives you a realistic chance at an NBA title for a handful of years. If you win 1 title or possibly more in a 3-4 year span then it was well worth it.


Barrett could turn into a star and Robinson could turn into an all NBA defensive team player but I do agree with you, go for the star (AD). If we could somehow make the trade and not include either one of Knox or Mitchell. Knox reminds me of a younger Tobias Harris, he could develop to be just as good as him. While not a star he is a good player
For Jordan its likely the  
Giantz_comeback : 5/16/2019 1:04 pm : link
MLE or mid room exception. its been talked about before . They probably already have a wink wink deal in place as someone else mentioned.

Just an idea what it would roughly look like:

DeAndre/Mitch/AD
AD/Mitch/KD
KD/Ellenson/vet Ring chaser
DOTSON/ALLEN
Kyrie/vet Ring chaser

How anyone could complain about that lineup is mind boggling.

Inexperience of youth players needs to be measured when going for the championship.
RE: Calling Davis  
Amtoft : 5/16/2019 1:12 pm : link
In comment 14445954 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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You can have a conversation about Davis not being able to get his teams far by himself in NOLA, but he's top 6-8 in the sport as a legit two way player, his offense is built for the modern NBA. Literally his only flaw seems to be a tendency to get nicked up and miss games.


You sure... there are Knicks fans that will call it garbage stats on a bad team or something.
Guys we are acting like the knicks need to be desperate  
GMEN46 : 5/16/2019 1:12 pm : link
No one is giving up major assets unless AD agrees to sign an extension. As far as we know the Knicks and Lakers are the only 2 teams that he is willing to do that for. Pelicans donít want to trade with Lakers. Why are people saying DSJr, Knox and Barrett suck already. This are 20 year highly drafted players. They have value to many teams who are in rebuild mode. They will be locked in for 3-4 years at low costs with tons of potential, this is not crap. Looks at the previous trades for cousins, Melo, Paul George and Kyrie. Obviously a tier below Davis, but Of Davis says he is leaving no matter what they have no choice but to trade Him. They are never going to get fair value for him because he is a top 3 player. The following offer should be as good as they are going to get from anyone:

Barrett - def helps with making Zion comfortable
Smith Jr. - who we heard they actually like
Trier or Frank - I really prefer to keep Frank. Again he is 20 years old and everyone has given up already, which is insane.
Dallas unprotected 1st
Knicks 2020 or Dallas 2023z

In essence they are getting 2 lottery players with upaide including Barrett who is a future all star.

A solid rotation player in trier or Frank who are both young

Dallas pick has a good chance of being a lottery pick given that they are in the West. And knicks pick could be lottery or late 20ís depending on free agency.

At the end of the day if they want Knox or Mitch to close the deal then fine I guess would do it, but Iím not including both. You canít trade 5 young players and 2 high draft picks for 1 player. I donít care how good he is. If he gets seriously hurt your ruined everything you have been taking for.
RE: RE: RE: Iím very worried about overpaying for AD  
Giantz_comeback : 5/16/2019 1:24 pm : link
In comment 14446169 TommyWiseau said:
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#3, Knox, Robinson, DSJR & future 1st would be a mistake imo.



Why? The NBA is a star league. None of those guys will ever be stars. A trio of KD, Kyrie & AD gives you a realistic chance at an NBA title for a handful of years. If you win 1 title or possibly more in a 3-4 year span then it was well worth it.



Barrett could turn into a star and Robinson could turn into an all NBA defensive team player but I do agree with you, go for the star (AD). If we could somehow make the trade and not include either one of Knox or Mitchell. Knox reminds me of a younger Tobias Harris, he could develop to be just as good as him. While not a star he is a good player


The $$$ are really tight. Knox almost definitely goes at 4.5M while keeping Mitch at 1.5 is more likely.

That is why a Knick deal is strong. Barrett is possibly the best chip for building a team around Zion then you have DSJ,Knox and Frank (lowest value but need to shed salary). All these guys for Pels don't hamper their salary cap and if they develop they are cost controlled but if not can be dumped as they will be going into team option and qualifying offer years. If you throw in the unprotected Dal pick it is a very good deal.
I would do  
TommyWiseau : 5/16/2019 1:26 pm : link
Barrett
Knox
Smith Jr
Frank
Dallas unprotected 1st in 2021 (could very well be a lottery pick)
Knicks 2020 pick
$5,243,000 in cash (the limit in the 2018/19 season you could send a team in a trade)


This gives them the pairing of Zion and Barrett, two first round picks, Two young PG's. Also gives NO some cash considering they are the one of the lowest revenue making teams out there
RE: Guys we are acting like the knicks need to be desperate  
Giantz_comeback : 5/16/2019 1:27 pm : link
In comment 14446275 GMEN46 said:
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No one is giving up major assets unless AD agrees to sign an extension. As far as we know the Knicks and Lakers are the only 2 teams that he is willing to do that for. Pelicans donít want to trade with Lakers. Why are people saying DSJr, Knox and Barrett suck already. This are 20 year highly drafted players. They have value to many teams who are in rebuild mode. They will be locked in for 3-4 years at low costs with tons of potential, this is not crap. Looks at the previous trades for cousins, Melo, Paul George and Kyrie. Obviously a tier below Davis, but Of Davis says he is leaving no matter what they have no choice but to trade Him. They are never going to get fair value for him because he is a top 3 player. The following offer should be as good as they are going to get from anyone:

Barrett - def helps with making Zion comfortable
Smith Jr. - who we heard they actually like
Trier or Frank - I really prefer to keep Frank. Again he is 20 years old and everyone has given up already, which is insane.
Dallas unprotected 1st
Knicks 2020 or Dallas 2023z

In essence they are getting 2 lottery players with upaide including Barrett who is a future all star.

A solid rotation player in trier or Frank who are both young

Dallas pick has a good chance of being a lottery pick given that they are in the West. And knicks pick could be lottery or late 20ís depending on free agency.

At the end of the day if they want Knox or Mitch to close the deal then fine I guess would do it, but Iím not including both. You canít trade 5 young players and 2 high draft picks for 1 player. I donít care how good he is. If he gets seriously hurt your ruined everything you have been taking for.


Trier is cheaper and frankly Frank has had a couple years to flash and really hasn't shown much at all. Trier has shown great 6th man ability at minimum and can pick up scoring slack if one of the big 3 go down. Dotson is a pretty efficient scorer for a role player to the big 3 and plays D.
Reed, agbayani and payton  
hitdog42 : 5/16/2019 1:28 pm : link
for barry bonds
RE: RE: Guys we are acting like the knicks need to be desperate  
Amtoft : 5/16/2019 1:29 pm : link
In comment 14446292 Giantz_comeback said:
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No one is giving up major assets unless AD agrees to sign an extension. As far as we know the Knicks and Lakers are the only 2 teams that he is willing to do that for. Pelicans donít want to trade with Lakers. Why are people saying DSJr, Knox and Barrett suck already. This are 20 year highly drafted players. They have value to many teams who are in rebuild mode. They will be locked in for 3-4 years at low costs with tons of potential, this is not crap. Looks at the previous trades for cousins, Melo, Paul George and Kyrie. Obviously a tier below Davis, but Of Davis says he is leaving no matter what they have no choice but to trade Him. They are never going to get fair value for him because he is a top 3 player. The following offer should be as good as they are going to get from anyone:

Barrett - def helps with making Zion comfortable
Smith Jr. - who we heard they actually like
Trier or Frank - I really prefer to keep Frank. Again he is 20 years old and everyone has given up already, which is insane.
Dallas unprotected 1st
Knicks 2020 or Dallas 2023z

In essence they are getting 2 lottery players with upaide including Barrett who is a future all star.

A solid rotation player in trier or Frank who are both young

Dallas pick has a good chance of being a lottery pick given that they are in the West. And knicks pick could be lottery or late 20ís depending on free agency.

At the end of the day if they want Knox or Mitch to close the deal then fine I guess would do it, but Iím not including both. You canít trade 5 young players and 2 high draft picks for 1 player. I donít care how good he is. If he gets seriously hurt your ruined everything you have been taking for.



Trier is cheaper and frankly Frank has had a couple years to flash and really hasn't shown much at all. Trier has shown great 6th man ability at minimum and can pick up scoring slack if one of the big 3 go down. Dotson is a pretty efficient scorer for a role player to the big 3 and plays D.


I agree Trier is a much better player. He was good in college. This was a great pick up by the Knicks.
Dotson  
TommyWiseau : 5/16/2019 1:36 pm : link
and Trier would make nice bench pieces if we somehow were able to land KD, Kyrie and AD. Those two can prove to be very important role players
RE: Reed, agbayani and payton  
Really : 5/16/2019 1:43 pm : link
In comment 14446294 hitdog42 said:
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for barry bonds


Isringhausen, Wilson and Pulsifer for Ken Griffey Jr?
Frank Isola  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/16/2019 2:00 pm : link
reported that several league execs think Barrett has a ceiling similar to Harden's.

I don't know about that, but I can definitely see similarities in their ability to get to the basket and finish. Barrett has great footwork and touch around the rim, he could easily develop a vicious Manu/Harden euro-step in the pros.

Again, it all depends on his shot but you can see the offensive potential.
Draft Barrett..  
Sean : 5/16/2019 2:03 pm : link
sign KD & Kyrie.
Barrett  
Phil in LA : 5/16/2019 2:07 pm : link
already uses the euro step.
Comps are tough but Barrett to me today looks like an Evan Turner  
ChaChing : 5/16/2019 2:18 pm : link
and if he improves but stays a similar player, Derozan-esque is the ceiling. If he ups his J which is far from impossible, and by all accounts he's smart, tough & hard-working, it's even better (and far from impossible)

People say he's a ball dominant / volume scorer, but he has a much more complete game than that to be iso in the post, on the wing, but also move w/o the ball, is a willing passer, and of course have huge value on D

IMO he has the least bust value, but his ceiling is also being underrated. And like them or not, Dukies often are solid on fundamentals, which is why he's believed to be the most NBA ready / polished right now, and has as much possibility to be one of the best players from this draft class
I've heard the Barrett-Harden comps as well  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/16/2019 2:23 pm : link
but that's his projected ceiling if you assume he gets better at all his weaknesses, which is a dangerous proposition.
RE: Frank Isola  
Giantz_comeback : 5/16/2019 2:31 pm : link
In comment 14446340 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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reported that several league execs think Barrett has a ceiling similar to Harden's.

I don't know about that, but I can definitely see similarities in their ability to get to the basket and finish. Barrett has great footwork and touch around the rim, he could easily develop a vicious Manu/Harden euro-step in the pros.

Again, it all depends on his shot but you can see the offensive potential.


If NO feels the same way the package we send back may not need to include Mitch or too many additional FRPs
RE: Dotson  
Giantz_comeback : 5/16/2019 2:33 pm : link
In comment 14446313 TommyWiseau said:
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and Trier would make nice bench pieces if we somehow were able to land KD, Kyrie and AD. Those two can prove to be very important role players


Yup and keeping Mitchell. Jordan for the MLE or mid room exception. Vet min fillers.
If pelicans end up wanting all of these players  
GMEN46 : 5/16/2019 4:05 pm : link
With the picks then tel them sure throw in jrue Holliday Nd letís forget about Kyrie. I would take jrue over Kyrie anyday. One of the most underrated guys in the league. Too defender at the position and does everything else really well. Kd ad and Holliday to me is better than Kyrie
RE: If pelicans end up wanting all of these players  
Giantz_comeback : 5/16/2019 4:14 pm : link
In comment 14446504 GMEN46 said:
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With the picks then tel them sure throw in jrue Holliday Nd letís forget about Kyrie. I would take jrue over Kyrie anyday. One of the most underrated guys in the league. Too defender at the position and does everything else really well. Kd ad and Holliday to me is better than Kyrie


I would consider that too. Who is more injury prone of the 2
RE: If pelicans end up wanting all of these players  
Mike in NJ : 5/16/2019 5:04 pm : link
In comment 14446504 GMEN46 said:
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With the picks then tel them sure throw in jrue Holliday Nd letís forget about Kyrie. I would take jrue over Kyrie anyday. One of the most underrated guys in the league. Too defender at the position and does everything else really well. Kd ad and Holliday to me is better than Kyrie


Jesus, the Kyrie hate here is some of the stupidest shit Iíve seen. Holiday isnít close to the player that Irving is, heís older, and he misses just as many games.
RE: RE: If pelicans end up wanting all of these players  
Giantz_comeback : 5/16/2019 5:07 pm : link
In comment 14446554 Mike in NJ said:
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In comment 14446504 GMEN46 said:


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With the picks then tel them sure throw in jrue Holliday Nd letís forget about Kyrie. I would take jrue over Kyrie anyday. One of the most underrated guys in the league. Too defender at the position and does everything else really well. Kd ad and Holliday to me is better than Kyrie



Jesus, the Kyrie hate here is some of the stupidest shit Iíve seen. Holiday isnít close to the player that Irving is, heís older, and he misses just as many games.


No doubt Kyrie is an excellent player. And better than Jrue but Jrue plays better D which is quite important. But it seems he gets nicked up just as much as Kyrie does.
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