Ian Rapoport
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#Vikings TE Kyle Rudolph was asked about possibly taking a paycut: “No I won’t, I am too young for that.” He does want to stay in Minnesota, though. More here:
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It's unlikely, but if Giants wanted to swap Kyle Rudolph in for Rhett Ellison, the net salary cap hit for Rudolph would be $4.375 million.
That would be in a trade.
If Rudolph released, they'd be working from clean slate.
Just mentioning b/c Shumur-Rudolph relationship strong
Ellison is best used as a #2 flex/blocking TE who can line up at FB, in-line or H-back and be a boon to the run game.
Imagine coming out in a base 2 TE offense with this smashmouth OLine + 2 big slobberknockers at TE like Rudolph and Ellison? Then you can mix Engram in as you see fit.
That was always the think with the Cowboys recently - they didn't just have the great run blocking OLine - they had a crew of blocking TE's too.
Rudolph is really the perfect old school 2-way TE an old school offense like the Giants needs.
Earlier on, maybe, but he hasn't missed a game in the last four years.
Ellison is best used as a #2 flex/blocking TE who can line up at FB, in-line or H-back and be a boon to the run game.
Imagine coming out in a base 2 TE offense with this smashmouth OLine + 2 big slobberknockers at TE like Rudolph and Ellison? Then you can mix Engram in as you see fit.
That was always the think with the Cowboys recently - they didn't just have the great run blocking OLine - they had a crew of blocking TE's too.
Rudolph is really the perfect old school 2-way TE an old school offense like the Giants needs.
Bit player? He is much more than that and his numbers took a big uptick with OBJ out.
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Engram with a 76.4 Overall, 60.6 Run Block.
Yes, bit player for the offense we should be running. I don't care how good the H-back is - we shouldn't be using TE's who aren't good run blockers. He's the equivalent of a shiny object that distracts you from the road.
I have no doubt you could force feed Engram 100 catches a year. And the team would be 4-12. He just does not fit the vision of the offense moving forward. I realize probably no one agrees but I believe that 100%. And judging from the comments coming out from the players, they are being told there is a style of team being built, and with Barkley and the big OLs coming in, it isn't hard to see what it is.
Also agree with this Mattman. Since Engram appears to be on the team this year, this would be the way to go. 2 big blocking TE's and then using Engram as a package player.
Engram with a 76.4 Overall, 60.6 Run Block.
If those PFF numbers are an accurate indicator of his blocking ability that is not encouraging. You want 2 TEs on this team that are subpar blockers for a team that will emphasize the run game?
Don't see it.
Yes, bit player for the offense we should be running. I don't care how good the H-back is - we shouldn't be using TE's who aren't good run blockers. He's the equivalent of a shiny object that distracts you from the road.
I have no doubt you could force feed Engram 100 catches a year. And the team would be 4-12. He just does not fit the vision of the offense moving forward. I realize probably no one agrees but I believe that 100%. And judging from the comments coming out from the players, they are being told there is a style of team being built, and with Barkley and the big OLs coming in, it isn't hard to see what it is.
If the argument is Engram isn't a great blocker , I agree but is Rudolph much better? If he is, I have no issue with it.
No he cannot, he is below average at blocking but a damn good reciever
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It would be hard to have 2 light blocking TEs on the roster. At minumum 1 needs to be a plus blocker especially for a team trying to be a run first/PA offense with SB.
No he cannot, he is below average at blocking but a damn good reciever
Has Kyle Rudolph had any year or years he was a plus blocker?
If he has had a few years as a plus blocker it says he has the potential. If not, he's been in the league to long to expect a sudden uptick in blocking.
Is he a great in-line blocker? Nope. No one's ever going to confuse him with Howard Cross. But so what? Is Zach Ertz? Here's an article from a Philly guy noting PFF's comparison of both players. Yeah, I know, PFF and all that. Still, I think it's worth mentioning.
My guess is that a lot of the disdain for Engram is due to his draft status, and you can make a case that the Giants should have drafted, say, Ryan Ramczyk instead of Engram, but they didn't. What's done is done. Get over it. Engram is a Giant. He's still only 24. They should make the most of him while they still have him.
Is he a great in-line blocker? Nope. No one's ever going to confuse him with Howard Cross. But so what? Is Zach Ertz? Here's an article from a Philly guy noting PFF's comparison of both players. Yeah, I know, PFF and all that. Still, I think it's worth mentioning.
My guess is that a lot of the disdain for Engram is due to his draft status, and you can make a case that the Giants should have drafted, say, Ryan Ramczyk instead of Engram, but they didn't. What's done is done. Get over it. Engram is a Giant. He's still only 24. They should make the most of him while they still have him.
Engram if utilized properly is a heck of a weapon. With OBJ out and Shurmur utilizing him more he averaged 80yards a game. Problem is he'll never be a great blocker therefore your 2nd TE really needs to be.
Its why this Rudolph stuff doesn't make sense to me unless he is a better blocker than Evan is.
He should be the focal point of this passing game
This. Don't see them trading for Rudolph if there is a possibility of Rudolph being cut.
On the blocking TE issue - having a competent RT should alleviate some of the need for a TE who blocks first and catches passes second.
Ellison is best used as a #2 flex/blocking TE who can line up at FB, in-line or H-back and be a boon to the run game.
Imagine coming out in a base 2 TE offense with this smashmouth OLine + 2 big slobberknockers at TE like Rudolph and Ellison? Then you can mix Engram in as you see fit.
That was always the think with the Cowboys recently - they didn't just have the great run blocking OLine - they had a crew of blocking TE's too.
Rudolph is really the perfect old school 2-way TE an old school offense like the Giants needs.
This would be unbelievable. My guess is the Patriots would be all over him. I'm surprised it hasn't happened already.
But why stop there? Let's see if the Vikings will trade us Diggs for Latimer.
Link...Eli to Rudolph...wait for the 4th one....
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Actually, he isn’t. He’s 6’3” 240 which makes him 2 inches shorter and 10/20 lbs lighter than most TEs in the league. He’ll never be a good blocker he doesn’t have size. He’s a tweener.
Ellison has two years left but better than 50/50 he's not back for 2020 anyway.
So a trade for a year? I do it if I'm able to arranged other contracts to fit the dollar difference in. Don't want to get too close to the cap.
Getting Rudolph would be a plus. Losing Ellison, would anybody really notice?
Ellison has two years left but better than 50/50 he's not back for 2020 anyway.
So a trade for a year? I do it if I'm able to arranged other contracts to fit the dollar difference in. Don't want to get too close to the cap.
Getting Rudolph would be a plus. Losing Ellison, would anybody really notice?
Doesn't really make sense for 1yr. His contract is 7+ mil with no G. If you trade for him you extend him dropping the 2019 hit to the min possible and put the money into future years. Ellison doesn't have to go anywhere to make this happen, though it can be debated if he should.
he turns 30 years old during the season, and after a breakout 2016 seems like he's being phased out of that offense.
He's on the final year of his contract and his a 7+M cap number.
I would not trade any assets of value for him.
and I'm not sure he's a great blocker. His pass blocking has shown various results, some good, some bad, but run blocking no bueno.
Is he a great in-line blocker? Nope. No one's ever going to confuse him with Howard Cross. But so what? Is Zach Ertz? Here's an article from a Philly guy noting PFF's comparison of both players. Yeah, I know, PFF and all that. Still, I think it's worth mentioning.
My guess is that a lot of the disdain for Engram is due to his draft status, and you can make a case that the Giants should have drafted, say, Ryan Ramczyk instead of Engram, but they didn't. What's done is done. Get over it. Engram is a Giant. He's still only 24. They should make the most of him while they still have him.
Agreed, although I'd add the Giants should be building their offense around Jones if they value him as a true franchise QB. Barkley should be a component of that construction, not the centerpiece (no running back should).
Ellison has two years left but better than 50/50 he's not back for 2020 anyway.
So a trade for a year? I do it if I'm able to arranged other contracts to fit the dollar difference in. Don't want to get too close to the cap.
Getting Rudolph would be a plus. Losing Ellison, would anybody really notice?
Even a 1 year rental where Kyle signs elsewhere would net a comp pick. The Pats often will trade a late round pick for a player on the last year and will net a better return on the comp pick as they don't offset the players they lose in FA by signing others. Minny is in a tough spot as Kyle said he isn't taking a pay cut. They have had to renegotiate contracts with other players so they had the cap room to sign draft picks. They are up against the wall. Their choice is to release or trade Kyle. They could opt to pay $2M of Kyle's salary to facilitate a trade as getting a pick in return along with some relief on the cap is better than nothing. In such a scenario, Minn. pays $2M and the we would pay the $5.275M for this year while sending a 6th round pick. We could then release Ellison for $3.25M in cap savings. In other words, we could acquire Kyle for a 6th and have a net expense in salary of $2M.
Ain't rocket science, you just need to understand the quality of player KR is.
as well . He will put up much better numbers .