Because weirdo land (Hollywood) doesn't have any other fresh ideas
They do. But when a bunch of grown men are lining up for the Avengers and it makes Eleventy Billion dollars, you can't really fault Hollywood. It's our fault. They're just giving us what we're willing to pay for.
Stop seeing Super Hero movies and they'll stop making them.
No man, doesn't work like that. Mr. Bungle doesn't go, so that solution clearly won't work...
Back in the day, my friends and I bought tickets to watch the Matrix JUST to watch the Star Wars trailer. Who knew the Matrix would be the better movie.
Now with assigned seating, I hop in a little late so I can avoid the 25 mins of trailers and advertising.
OK, I see what you might mean. I'll say that it doesn't look good to me, mostly because that's some of the most wooden acting I've ever seen in the trailer of a show and the lead is a bad actress. Now I see why they didn't have her talk in John Wick 2.
On the other hand, instead of complaining about it being SJW, then you may just want to consider if you have to be the target audience of every comic book movie/tv show that gets made. If you're feeling excluded by it being a young, apparently lesbian batwoman, I get it. But lots of folks have been excluded by "bruce wayne, millionaire playboy" for 80 years. If you aren't into it, don't watch it - there's effectively an infinite amount of other good tv shows to watch right now. And the good news is if you're right that they are making a marketing mistake then it will fail and you'll undoubtedly get another reboot that might be something you enjoy.
That's just it, they keep rebooting the same crap with the same themes and they keep on failing. They never learn from their mistakes anymore. Captain Marvel has been rebooted five times and her books still don't sell. If you think her solo movie would have made money if it wasn't sandwiched between Infinity Wars and Endgame, think again, because no one was clamoring for a Captain Marvel movie, and if they're now going to make her the leader of the Avengers they might as well just pack it in now and save themselves the trouble.
As for Batwoman, they're not making it to attract a niche audience that might have felt left out of other superhero features (they've been looking for that audience for about ten or twelve years now and still haven't found it). They're making it so they can get praised by their peers for their "wokeness," for their genuflecting at the altars of diversity and intersectionality. They're making it so they can read gushing fanboy/girl stories in The Mary Sue about how progressive they are. In the process, they're killing the goose that lays the golden eggs.
The same thing is happening with Star Trek, Star Wars, and Dr. Who. These franchises used to be licensed to print money, but now they're experiencing all kinds of turmoil as SJW rot infected their creators as well as their critics.
I'm going to stop here because I don't want to get banned again for talking politics and this is getting too political.
Peace out, as my fellow kids say.
Ok, well, You're right that no one was clamoring for a Captain Marvel Movie. And it, like Ant Man and Guardians before it did not have folks clamoring for it but they went out and made a good movie. Now the Marvel brand is so strong that they could put out anything and it would get a chance. What they did with Captain Marvel is make a good movie that was successful and really popular with audiences. I guess you're saying that an avengers with her in the lead will fail. You could be right of course, especially if middle aged dudes get their panties in a twist over the fact that the first superman-level hero in the MCU is a woman and choose to stay home. You could say that's the consequence of "SJW rot". But from my perspective (and I see some signs here with the SJW and "mary sue" comments) that it also can be viewed as a bunch of dudes just having a tantrum.
And people don't make television shows to get praise. They make television shows to get viewers and subsequently get money. The praise is of course one way to get viewers. But that's not enough to keep people watching. It has to be a good show. If it's not a good show, then folks won't stick with it regardless of the genders of the heroes.
Ant-Man and Wasp were charter members of the Avengers, and it was a natural fit which no one objected to. Guardians of the Galaxy has been a superhero team in various incarnations since 1969. They did not have to be shoe-horned into the series. And if you think it's just "middle-aged dudes" who object to this stuff, you really don't know anything about the core audience...the fans who buy the books, the merch, the tickets. Captain Marvel has a audience score of 56% on Rotten Tomatoes. It wasn't a good movie, and, as I said before, it's only "popular" because it was sandwiched in between Infinity War and Endgame. Watch what happens when Captain Marvel doesn't have those two crutches to lean on. It has nothing to do with her being a woman (fans have been clamoring for a Black Widow movie for years, and I'd love to see a She-Hulk, A-Force movie), it has everything to do with her being a poorly written character played by an unlikable actress, and a story line that was an insult to anyone even vaguely familiar with the Avengers.
One of the problems with Marvel is that they don't really have a well-known, popular, stand-alone female character like DC has with Wonder Woman. Almost all of the best female Marvel superheroes are part of a team, like Jean Grey, Storm, and Rogue with the X-Men. So, they had to create this newest version of Captain Marvel out of thin air because they wanted their own stand-alone female superhero to eventually lead the Avengers. The problem is that just as with Rey in Star Wars, they made her a "Mary Sue." You may not like the term, but it fits. Her backstory was ridiculous, and in order to build her up they had to tear down everyone of substance around her (especially Nick Fury). To top it off, the actress they chose for the role did nothing to endear herself to the fanbase. In fact, she went out of her way to insult and annoy that base. That's no way to sell merch (and that's where the real money is if you remember your Spaceballs).
Finally, all you have to do is read some of the most recent statements from folks like Kevin Feige, Greg Berlanti, and Andrew Kreisberg. They're all about promoting diversity and inclusion now. Everything else is secondary - characters, story lines, canon - as long as their messages get out. They'll keep getting financing because the people writing the checks think the same way they do. They live in the same bubble, walk the same red carpets. Why do you think the Captain Marvel comic book series keeps getting rebooted even though every new series is an abysmal failure? Why do you think we've got "woke" Batwoman when "woke" Supergirl is crapping out? It's a damned shame.
OK, I see what you might mean. I'll say that it doesn't look good to me, mostly because that's some of the most wooden acting I've ever seen in the trailer of a show and the lead is a bad actress. Now I see why they didn't have her talk in John Wick 2.
On the other hand, instead of complaining about it being SJW, then you may just want to consider if you have to be the target audience of every comic book movie/tv show that gets made. If you're feeling excluded by it being a young, apparently lesbian batwoman, I get it. But lots of folks have been excluded by "bruce wayne, millionaire playboy" for 80 years. If you aren't into it, don't watch it - there's effectively an infinite amount of other good tv shows to watch right now. And the good news is if you're right that they are making a marketing mistake then it will fail and you'll undoubtedly get another reboot that might be something you enjoy.
That's just it, they keep rebooting the same crap with the same themes and they keep on failing. They never learn from their mistakes anymore. Captain Marvel has been rebooted five times and her books still don't sell. If you think her solo movie would have made money if it wasn't sandwiched between Infinity Wars and Endgame, think again, because no one was clamoring for a Captain Marvel movie, and if they're now going to make her the leader of the Avengers they might as well just pack it in now and save themselves the trouble.
As for Batwoman, they're not making it to attract a niche audience that might have felt left out of other superhero features (they've been looking for that audience for about ten or twelve years now and still haven't found it). They're making it so they can get praised by their peers for their "wokeness," for their genuflecting at the altars of diversity and intersectionality. They're making it so they can read gushing fanboy/girl stories in The Mary Sue about how progressive they are. In the process, they're killing the goose that lays the golden eggs.
The same thing is happening with Star Trek, Star Wars, and Dr. Who. These franchises used to be licensed to print money, but now they're experiencing all kinds of turmoil as SJW rot infected their creators as well as their critics.
I'm going to stop here because I don't want to get banned again for talking politics and this is getting too political.
Peace out, as my fellow kids say.
Ok, well, You're right that no one was clamoring for a Captain Marvel Movie. And it, like Ant Man and Guardians before it did not have folks clamoring for it but they went out and made a good movie. Now the Marvel brand is so strong that they could put out anything and it would get a chance. What they did with Captain Marvel is make a good movie that was successful and really popular with audiences. I guess you're saying that an avengers with her in the lead will fail. You could be right of course, especially if middle aged dudes get their panties in a twist over the fact that the first superman-level hero in the MCU is a woman and choose to stay home. You could say that's the consequence of "SJW rot". But from my perspective (and I see some signs here with the SJW and "mary sue" comments) that it also can be viewed as a bunch of dudes just having a tantrum.
And people don't make television shows to get praise. They make television shows to get viewers and subsequently get money. The praise is of course one way to get viewers. But that's not enough to keep people watching. It has to be a good show. If it's not a good show, then folks won't stick with it regardless of the genders of the heroes.
Ant-Man and Wasp were charter members of the Avengers, and it was a natural fit which no one objected to. Guardians of the Galaxy has been a superhero team in various incarnations since 1969. They did not have to be shoe-horned into the series. And if you think it's just "middle-aged dudes" who object to this stuff, you really don't know anything about the core audience...the fans who buy the books, the merch, the tickets. Captain Marvel has a audience score of 56% on Rotten Tomatoes. It wasn't a good movie, and, as I said before, it's only "popular" because it was sandwiched in between Infinity War and Endgame. Watch what happens when Captain Marvel doesn't have those two crutches to lean on. It has nothing to do with her being a woman (fans have been clamoring for a Black Widow movie for years, and I'd love to see a She-Hulk, A-Force movie), it has everything to do with her being a poorly written character played by an unlikable actress, and a story line that was an insult to anyone even vaguely familiar with the Avengers.
One of the problems with Marvel is that they don't really have a well-known, popular, stand-alone female character like DC has with Wonder Woman. Almost all of the best female Marvel superheroes are part of a team, like Jean Grey, Storm, and Rogue with the X-Men. So, they had to create this newest version of Captain Marvel out of thin air because they wanted their own stand-alone female superhero to eventually lead the Avengers. The problem is that just as with Rey in Star Wars, they made her a "Mary Sue." You may not like the term, but it fits. Her backstory was ridiculous, and in order to build her up they had to tear down everyone of substance around her (especially Nick Fury). To top it off, the actress they chose for the role did nothing to endear herself to the fanbase. In fact, she went out of her way to insult and annoy that base. That's no way to sell merch (and that's where the real money is if you remember your Spaceballs).
Finally, all you have to do is read some of the most recent statements from folks like Kevin Feige, Greg Berlanti, and Andrew Kreisberg. They're all about promoting diversity and inclusion now. Everything else is secondary - characters, story lines, canon - as long as their messages get out. They'll keep getting financing because the people writing the checks think the same way they do. They live in the same bubble, walk the same red carpets. Why do you think the Captain Marvel comic book series keeps getting rebooted even though every new series is an abysmal failure? Why do you think we've got "woke" Batwoman when "woke" Supergirl is crapping out? It's a damned shame.
1) Captain Marvel made over a billion dollars, more than twice what charter Avenger Ant Man made. And when she arrived at the end of Endgame, people in the theater I was in cheered.
2) The rotten Tomatoes score is a weak way to say the movie was bad, when it's well known there was a campaign to torpedo that score before it even opened by folks who are mad that she got her own movie.
Look man, I can tell from the phrases you've used here that we won't agree about much, if any, of this stuff. It's Friday! Cheers!
The first "Superman" movie (1978) was great. So were the first Batman (1989) and Spiderman (2002) movies. But how many sequels and reboots are enough? C'mon. These movies don't even seem special anymore.
Maybe not to you, but to the legions of comic book fans, they're as "special" as the next issue of their favorite comic book.
marvel and disney are killing the comic book industry.
1) Captain Marvel made over a billion dollars, more than twice what charter Avenger Ant Man made. And when she arrived at the end of Endgame, people in the theater I was in cheered.
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Everyone thought "ok finally, here is someone to kick Thanos' ass". She turned out to be a bitter disappointment when he swatter her like an insect.
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what we need... more superhero movies.
Because weirdo land (Hollywood) doesn't have any other fresh ideas
They do. But when a bunch of grown men are lining up for the Avengers and it makes Eleventy Billion dollars, you can't really fault Hollywood. It's our fault. They're just giving us what we're willing to pay for.
Stop seeing Super Hero movies and they'll stop making them.
No man, doesn't work like that. Mr. Bungle doesn't go, so that solution clearly won't work...
Back in the day, my friends and I bought tickets to watch the Matrix JUST to watch the Star Wars trailer. Who knew the Matrix would be the better movie.
Now with assigned seating, I hop in a little late so I can avoid the 25 mins of trailers and advertising.
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OK, I see what you might mean. I'll say that it doesn't look good to me, mostly because that's some of the most wooden acting I've ever seen in the trailer of a show and the lead is a bad actress. Now I see why they didn't have her talk in John Wick 2.
On the other hand, instead of complaining about it being SJW, then you may just want to consider if you have to be the target audience of every comic book movie/tv show that gets made. If you're feeling excluded by it being a young, apparently lesbian batwoman, I get it. But lots of folks have been excluded by "bruce wayne, millionaire playboy" for 80 years. If you aren't into it, don't watch it - there's effectively an infinite amount of other good tv shows to watch right now. And the good news is if you're right that they are making a marketing mistake then it will fail and you'll undoubtedly get another reboot that might be something you enjoy.
That's just it, they keep rebooting the same crap with the same themes and they keep on failing. They never learn from their mistakes anymore. Captain Marvel has been rebooted five times and her books still don't sell. If you think her solo movie would have made money if it wasn't sandwiched between Infinity Wars and Endgame, think again, because no one was clamoring for a Captain Marvel movie, and if they're now going to make her the leader of the Avengers they might as well just pack it in now and save themselves the trouble.
As for Batwoman, they're not making it to attract a niche audience that might have felt left out of other superhero features (they've been looking for that audience for about ten or twelve years now and still haven't found it). They're making it so they can get praised by their peers for their "wokeness," for their genuflecting at the altars of diversity and intersectionality. They're making it so they can read gushing fanboy/girl stories in The Mary Sue about how progressive they are. In the process, they're killing the goose that lays the golden eggs.
The same thing is happening with Star Trek, Star Wars, and Dr. Who. These franchises used to be licensed to print money, but now they're experiencing all kinds of turmoil as SJW rot infected their creators as well as their critics.
I'm going to stop here because I don't want to get banned again for talking politics and this is getting too political.
Peace out, as my fellow kids say.
Ok, well, You're right that no one was clamoring for a Captain Marvel Movie. And it, like Ant Man and Guardians before it did not have folks clamoring for it but they went out and made a good movie. Now the Marvel brand is so strong that they could put out anything and it would get a chance. What they did with Captain Marvel is make a good movie that was successful and really popular with audiences. I guess you're saying that an avengers with her in the lead will fail. You could be right of course, especially if middle aged dudes get their panties in a twist over the fact that the first superman-level hero in the MCU is a woman and choose to stay home. You could say that's the consequence of "SJW rot". But from my perspective (and I see some signs here with the SJW and "mary sue" comments) that it also can be viewed as a bunch of dudes just having a tantrum.
And people don't make television shows to get praise. They make television shows to get viewers and subsequently get money. The praise is of course one way to get viewers. But that's not enough to keep people watching. It has to be a good show. If it's not a good show, then folks won't stick with it regardless of the genders of the heroes.
Ant-Man and Wasp were charter members of the Avengers, and it was a natural fit which no one objected to. Guardians of the Galaxy has been a superhero team in various incarnations since 1969. They did not have to be shoe-horned into the series. And if you think it's just "middle-aged dudes" who object to this stuff, you really don't know anything about the core audience...the fans who buy the books, the merch, the tickets. Captain Marvel has a audience score of 56% on Rotten Tomatoes. It wasn't a good movie, and, as I said before, it's only "popular" because it was sandwiched in between Infinity War and Endgame. Watch what happens when Captain Marvel doesn't have those two crutches to lean on. It has nothing to do with her being a woman (fans have been clamoring for a Black Widow movie for years, and I'd love to see a She-Hulk, A-Force movie), it has everything to do with her being a poorly written character played by an unlikable actress, and a story line that was an insult to anyone even vaguely familiar with the Avengers.
One of the problems with Marvel is that they don't really have a well-known, popular, stand-alone female character like DC has with Wonder Woman. Almost all of the best female Marvel superheroes are part of a team, like Jean Grey, Storm, and Rogue with the X-Men. So, they had to create this newest version of Captain Marvel out of thin air because they wanted their own stand-alone female superhero to eventually lead the Avengers. The problem is that just as with Rey in Star Wars, they made her a "Mary Sue." You may not like the term, but it fits. Her backstory was ridiculous, and in order to build her up they had to tear down everyone of substance around her (especially Nick Fury). To top it off, the actress they chose for the role did nothing to endear herself to the fanbase. In fact, she went out of her way to insult and annoy that base. That's no way to sell merch (and that's where the real money is if you remember your Spaceballs).
Finally, all you have to do is read some of the most recent statements from folks like Kevin Feige, Greg Berlanti, and Andrew Kreisberg. They're all about promoting diversity and inclusion now. Everything else is secondary - characters, story lines, canon - as long as their messages get out. They'll keep getting financing because the people writing the checks think the same way they do. They live in the same bubble, walk the same red carpets. Why do you think the Captain Marvel comic book series keeps getting rebooted even though every new series is an abysmal failure? Why do you think we've got "woke" Batwoman when "woke" Supergirl is crapping out? It's a damned shame.
Not wounded, just surprised. I didn't expect stupidity from you...
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OK, I see what you might mean. I'll say that it doesn't look good to me, mostly because that's some of the most wooden acting I've ever seen in the trailer of a show and the lead is a bad actress. Now I see why they didn't have her talk in John Wick 2.
On the other hand, instead of complaining about it being SJW, then you may just want to consider if you have to be the target audience of every comic book movie/tv show that gets made. If you're feeling excluded by it being a young, apparently lesbian batwoman, I get it. But lots of folks have been excluded by "bruce wayne, millionaire playboy" for 80 years. If you aren't into it, don't watch it - there's effectively an infinite amount of other good tv shows to watch right now. And the good news is if you're right that they are making a marketing mistake then it will fail and you'll undoubtedly get another reboot that might be something you enjoy.
That's just it, they keep rebooting the same crap with the same themes and they keep on failing. They never learn from their mistakes anymore. Captain Marvel has been rebooted five times and her books still don't sell. If you think her solo movie would have made money if it wasn't sandwiched between Infinity Wars and Endgame, think again, because no one was clamoring for a Captain Marvel movie, and if they're now going to make her the leader of the Avengers they might as well just pack it in now and save themselves the trouble.
As for Batwoman, they're not making it to attract a niche audience that might have felt left out of other superhero features (they've been looking for that audience for about ten or twelve years now and still haven't found it). They're making it so they can get praised by their peers for their "wokeness," for their genuflecting at the altars of diversity and intersectionality. They're making it so they can read gushing fanboy/girl stories in The Mary Sue about how progressive they are. In the process, they're killing the goose that lays the golden eggs.
The same thing is happening with Star Trek, Star Wars, and Dr. Who. These franchises used to be licensed to print money, but now they're experiencing all kinds of turmoil as SJW rot infected their creators as well as their critics.
I'm going to stop here because I don't want to get banned again for talking politics and this is getting too political.
Peace out, as my fellow kids say.
Ok, well, You're right that no one was clamoring for a Captain Marvel Movie. And it, like Ant Man and Guardians before it did not have folks clamoring for it but they went out and made a good movie. Now the Marvel brand is so strong that they could put out anything and it would get a chance. What they did with Captain Marvel is make a good movie that was successful and really popular with audiences. I guess you're saying that an avengers with her in the lead will fail. You could be right of course, especially if middle aged dudes get their panties in a twist over the fact that the first superman-level hero in the MCU is a woman and choose to stay home. You could say that's the consequence of "SJW rot". But from my perspective (and I see some signs here with the SJW and "mary sue" comments) that it also can be viewed as a bunch of dudes just having a tantrum.
And people don't make television shows to get praise. They make television shows to get viewers and subsequently get money. The praise is of course one way to get viewers. But that's not enough to keep people watching. It has to be a good show. If it's not a good show, then folks won't stick with it regardless of the genders of the heroes.
Ant-Man and Wasp were charter members of the Avengers, and it was a natural fit which no one objected to. Guardians of the Galaxy has been a superhero team in various incarnations since 1969. They did not have to be shoe-horned into the series. And if you think it's just "middle-aged dudes" who object to this stuff, you really don't know anything about the core audience...the fans who buy the books, the merch, the tickets. Captain Marvel has a audience score of 56% on Rotten Tomatoes. It wasn't a good movie, and, as I said before, it's only "popular" because it was sandwiched in between Infinity War and Endgame. Watch what happens when Captain Marvel doesn't have those two crutches to lean on. It has nothing to do with her being a woman (fans have been clamoring for a Black Widow movie for years, and I'd love to see a She-Hulk, A-Force movie), it has everything to do with her being a poorly written character played by an unlikable actress, and a story line that was an insult to anyone even vaguely familiar with the Avengers.
One of the problems with Marvel is that they don't really have a well-known, popular, stand-alone female character like DC has with Wonder Woman. Almost all of the best female Marvel superheroes are part of a team, like Jean Grey, Storm, and Rogue with the X-Men. So, they had to create this newest version of Captain Marvel out of thin air because they wanted their own stand-alone female superhero to eventually lead the Avengers. The problem is that just as with Rey in Star Wars, they made her a "Mary Sue." You may not like the term, but it fits. Her backstory was ridiculous, and in order to build her up they had to tear down everyone of substance around her (especially Nick Fury). To top it off, the actress they chose for the role did nothing to endear herself to the fanbase. In fact, she went out of her way to insult and annoy that base. That's no way to sell merch (and that's where the real money is if you remember your Spaceballs).
Finally, all you have to do is read some of the most recent statements from folks like Kevin Feige, Greg Berlanti, and Andrew Kreisberg. They're all about promoting diversity and inclusion now. Everything else is secondary - characters, story lines, canon - as long as their messages get out. They'll keep getting financing because the people writing the checks think the same way they do. They live in the same bubble, walk the same red carpets. Why do you think the Captain Marvel comic book series keeps getting rebooted even though every new series is an abysmal failure? Why do you think we've got "woke" Batwoman when "woke" Supergirl is crapping out? It's a damned shame.
1) Captain Marvel made over a billion dollars, more than twice what charter Avenger Ant Man made. And when she arrived at the end of Endgame, people in the theater I was in cheered.
2) The rotten Tomatoes score is a weak way to say the movie was bad, when it's well known there was a campaign to torpedo that score before it even opened by folks who are mad that she got her own movie.
Look man, I can tell from the phrases you've used here that we won't agree about much, if any, of this stuff. It's Friday! Cheers!
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Also, I have nothing against superhero movies.
The first "Superman" movie (1978) was great. So were the first Batman (1989) and Spiderman (2002) movies. But how many sequels and reboots are enough? C'mon. These movies don't even seem special anymore.
Maybe not to you, but to the legions of comic book fans, they're as "special" as the next issue of their favorite comic book.
marvel and disney are killing the comic book industry.
Everyone thought "ok finally, here is someone to kick Thanos' ass". She turned out to be a bitter disappointment when he swatter her like an insect.