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OBJ v. Colin Cowherd

Keaton028 : 5/17/2019 10:32 am
I donít even know who to side with in this feud. Loved OBJ but he seems like a really sensitive guy. When you start letting the goofy talking heads like Cowherd rattle you, then you are letting distractions really hinder your life.
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RE: I think it's at least interesting that Baker Mayfield  
giants#1 : 5/17/2019 12:47 pm : link
In comment 14447264 USAF NYG Fan said:
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is firing back at Cowherd as well. Could Beckham's persona be spreading?

https://twitter.com/bakermayfield/status/1129156568161882113

https://twitter.com/bakermayfield/status/1129156682771292162


It's not really out of character for Mayfield. I think he's been in a twitter war with a media personality (could be Cowherd) even before OBJ.
RE: RE: RE: RE: How come I never hear  
Greg from LI : 5/17/2019 12:50 pm : link
In comment 14447240 hitdog42 said:
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games lost due to injury from QB unable to throw basic 10 yard slant without being behind the player? games after OBJ injury that QB played bad enough to get benched for Geno Smith? i mean we can go so many ways to just make up sh$t and create narratives. there i created one. Eli got OBJ hurt and without him he couldnt even keep his job over Geno Smith.


Why are you yelling at me? My point was that it's silly to point to Shepard having more catches and yards when he played in 11 more games than Beckham.

Also, OBJ leads in TDs 9-6.
RE: RE: RE: RE: How come I never hear  
dep026 : 5/17/2019 12:54 pm : link
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Obviously apples vs oranges. Silly question.
But, interesting stat: over the last 2 years, Shepard has more catches and receiving yards than OBJ does.

Shep = 125 catches, 1603 yards
OBJ = 102 catches, 1354 yards



Games played: Shepard 27, Beckham 16, so....yeah



games lost due to injury from QB unable to throw basic 10 yard slant without being behind the player? games after OBJ injury that QB played bad enough to get benched for Geno Smith? i mean we can go so many ways to just make up sh$t and create narratives. there i created one. Eli got OBJ hurt and without him he couldnt even keep his job over Geno Smith.


You use this pass by Eli to OBJ all the time so itís clear as day you are blaming Eli for his injury... always been elis fault with you.


And OBJ gotnpoor blocking, oh woe is him. Games is on the line. Itís one thing not getting the ball itís another at least making an attempt.

You would do well for Camís and OBJís agent as far as why not going for the ball is a smart thing.
I wouldn't say 'silly'  
giants#1 : 5/17/2019 12:54 pm : link
It's certainly misleading to exclude GP, but availability is an overlooked 'stat'.

Just look at Gurley and the Rams last year. They might be SB champs if he's 100%.
RE: I think it's at least interesting that Baker Mayfield  
GothamGiants : 5/17/2019 12:55 pm : link
In comment 14447264 USAF NYG Fan said:
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is firing back at Cowherd as well. Could Beckham's persona be spreading?

https://twitter.com/bakermayfield/status/1129156568161882113

https://twitter.com/bakermayfield/status/1129156682771292162


This team is going to be a train wreck if they start out slow ... a whole lot of ďpersonalityĒ on that team
RE: Losing teams love to blame their best players...  
BlueLou'sBack : 5/17/2019 12:55 pm : link
In comment 14447138 Tesla said:
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Has been that way since the beginning of sports I'm sure.

Yes, it was OBJ's fault we sucked most of the time he was here. It was his fault the defense gave up so many 4th quarter leads. It was his fault our OL sucked. It was his fault Vernon could never stay healthy.

Watch out Saquon, when we don't win this year it's going to be YOUR fault!


Except for some small portion of posters on BBI, it's never, ever, Eli's fault.
RE: RE: Losing teams love to blame their best players...  
dep026 : 5/17/2019 12:59 pm : link
In comment 14447277 BlueLou'sBack said:
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Has been that way since the beginning of sports I'm sure.

Yes, it was OBJ's fault we sucked most of the time he was here. It was his fault the defense gave up so many 4th quarter leads. It was his fault our OL sucked. It was his fault Vernon could never stay healthy.

Watch out Saquon, when we don't win this year it's going to be YOUR fault!



Except for some small portion of posters on BBI, it's never, ever, Eli's fault.


And for the majority of them itís always Elis fault. But they donít like being labeled as that. So they come with stupid shit as itís never Eliís fault.

Itís funny the same people who have ripped Eli for the majority of his career are defending OBJ for any possible reason - remember a guy who didnít even want to play for NY and wanted out years ago. Makes a shot ton of sense, doesnít it?
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: How come I never hear  
hitdog42 : 5/17/2019 1:00 pm : link
In comment 14447268 Greg from LI said:
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games lost due to injury from QB unable to throw basic 10 yard slant without being behind the player? games after OBJ injury that QB played bad enough to get benched for Geno Smith? i mean we can go so many ways to just make up sh$t and create narratives. there i created one. Eli got OBJ hurt and without him he couldnt even keep his job over Geno Smith.



Why are you yelling at me? My point was that it's silly to point to Shepard having more catches and yards when he played in 11 more games than Beckham.

Also, OBJ leads in TDs 9-6.


i was complimenting your post-- stop yelling at me lol!
For any pro athlete, the only legitimate mantra is...  
Blue Racer : 5/17/2019 1:01 pm : link
"I'll do anything I can to help my team win a championship."

That means doing "meaningless" OTAs. That means not being a distraction to your team. That means no acting like a huge asshole on the sidelines when things don't go your way. That means standing by, and with, your teammates when hurt or even working out.

Eli gets it. Saquon gets it. Aaron Judge gets it. Jeter got it. David Wright got it. Willis Reed got it (did he ever).

We'll see how it works out but, no matter what anyone says, Gettleman does have a plan. And part of it is that each and every player, right down to the last practice squad player, gets it.

RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: How come I never hear  
hitdog42 : 5/17/2019 1:03 pm : link
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Obviously apples vs oranges. Silly question.
But, interesting stat: over the last 2 years, Shepard has more catches and receiving yards than OBJ does.

Shep = 125 catches, 1603 yards
OBJ = 102 catches, 1354 yards



Games played: Shepard 27, Beckham 16, so....yeah



games lost due to injury from QB unable to throw basic 10 yard slant without being behind the player? games after OBJ injury that QB played bad enough to get benched for Geno Smith? i mean we can go so many ways to just make up sh$t and create narratives. there i created one. Eli got OBJ hurt and without him he couldnt even keep his job over Geno Smith.



You use this pass by Eli to OBJ all the time so itís clear as day you are blaming Eli for his injury... always been elis fault with you.


And OBJ gotnpoor blocking, oh woe is him. Games is on the line. Itís one thing not getting the ball itís another at least making an attempt.

You would do well for Camís and OBJís agent as far as why not going for the ball is a smart thing.


its not always anything... i watch the game and make conclusions.

i don't start with my conclusion and figure out how to get there.

i hear time and time again about an injury prone player we traded. he missed 3 games to start his career (followed by best rookie WR season maybe ever). and last year he got leg whipped. his largest chunk had nothing to do with being injury prone. so its just a sh$t narrative. you run a slant and have to jump and reach behind you and land like it happened... that is just an accident not injury prone.

on the onside kick- my comment was that people are acting like the guy sat there and had time to think abot what he wanted to do... the blocking was PATHETIC... coaching on the play PATHETIC clearly... and he saw the guy coming and he hesitated a second... doing what many people would do. give me a break. talk about the boat or something real, not the newest made up BS narrative.
Jeter refused to move to SS  
Tesla : 5/17/2019 1:06 pm : link
when the Yanks traded for A-Rod, a very good shortstop when Jeter was awful in the field...so no, he did not always put the team first.

Girardi also was cared to move him out of the 2 hole when in Jeter's final season when he was perhaps the worst hitter in the lineup.

If Eli wanted to put the team first he could take less $$$$ like Brady does. I'm sure he can afford it even without a supermodel wife.

Let's be honest, almost zero players put the team ahead of their own interests.
RE: WTF is a  
Platos : 5/17/2019 1:07 pm : link
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Wasn't OBJ a "winning player" when he was taking slants to the house for game winning touchdowns on a regular basis?

Or is it just a euphemism for guys who play on winning teams?


speaking of which, and i'm in the "idc that he's gone but he wasn't the biggest issue" Camp...

his statement about taking slants vs going over the top... "but it's been pretty safe and it's been, you know ... cool catching shallow [routes] and trying to take it to the house. But I'm, you know, I want to go over the top of somebody" almost proves he's being "me first".

how about take it to the house however way you can and shut up? do you not see eli getting rocked behind the line? you know he can air it out to you if he's got time.

whats going to happen when he loses a step and can't make the 50/50 catches? is Mayfield or whoever is his QB going to say "well it'd be nice if my WR would just catch everything i threw to him"

its shit like this that makes me not miss him.
Actually OBJs effort  
dep026 : 5/17/2019 1:08 pm : link
On the onside kick is 100% real and it did happen. But heís excused cause it was poorly blocked? Hmmmm, I guess we just pick and choose wha excused from that....
RE: For any pro athlete, the only legitimate mantra is...  
Greg from LI : 5/17/2019 1:09 pm : link
In comment 14447294 Blue Racer said:
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That means doing "meaningless" OTAs. That means not being a distraction to your team. That means no acting like a huge asshole on the sidelines when things don't go your way. That means standing by, and with, your teammates when hurt or even working out.


Question: would you say Michael Strahan or Plaxico Burress fits this description?
RE: RE: RE: How come I never hear  
Alex_Webster : 5/17/2019 1:09 pm : link
In comment 14447236 Greg from LI said:
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Obviously apples vs oranges. Silly question.
But, interesting stat: over the last 2 years, Shepard has more catches and receiving yards than OBJ does.

Shep = 125 catches, 1603 yards
OBJ = 102 catches, 1354 yards



Games played: Shepard 27, Beckham 16, so....yeah



I think games played is the point. Can't be great unless you play.
RE: The difference between Saquon and Odell....  
TMS : 5/17/2019 1:10 pm : link
In comment 14447151 Britt in VA said:
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is that Saquon is a good locker-room presence and leader.
. Think both are the best at what they do best. But think Barkley is more relaxed and able to keep his head focused on what is important to him the most, being the best RB in history. OBJ is highly motivated as well but young and quite a bit hyper. Harder for him to stop moving and looking for attention. Goes a lot with the positions of WR and DB in the NFL. MO,
Not exactly correct about Jeter  
Blue Racer : 5/17/2019 1:13 pm : link
When A-Rod arrived most of, if not all, of Jeter's problems at short were behind him and he was very solid. He also kept his little feud with A-Rod as below board as possible. For sure, he was never going to make himself a distraction to his team.

And Brady COULD afford to take a pay cut much easier than Eli. His wife makes insane money! Not even close.

No, not all pro athletes are so mercenary. True, they do want to make as much money as they can. But almost all of them want that ring in the worst way.
Really strange  
BBelle21 : 5/17/2019 1:22 pm : link
how that Cowherd Family Feud silliness could set OBJ off, but not surprised. Why is Baker Mayfield chiming in?. Mayfield, Cowherd, OBJ, all three look like insecure idiots.
RE: RE: RE: RE: OBJs best comparison in my mind is Deon Sanders  
JOrthman : 5/17/2019 1:27 pm : link
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very talented but polarizing. Some say me first type of guys.

He ended up with two rings




Perhaps, but OBJ hasn't even won a playoff game.



Neither did Deon till he left Atlanta




my bad, he won one playoff game in his 5 years with the falcons


And Deon was a DB, not actually an apples to apples comparison.
RE: Actually OBJs effort  
hitdog42 : 5/17/2019 1:35 pm : link
In comment 14447304 dep026 said:
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On the onside kick is 100% real and it did happen. But heís excused cause it was poorly blocked? Hmmmm, I guess we just pick and choose wha excused from that....


dep people are saying he made a business decision... he made a human decision... which was when its a jailbreak and guys are running full speed at stationary smaller object... you flinch ... that is a very normal thing to do. peeing on the ground after a touchdown is NOT a normal thing to do. you are taking leaps about a persons character and mentality towards the game based on an assumption where the starting point was a horribly blocked and schemed kick return. just like calling someone injury prone because they got hurt on a play that was 100% not anything to do with him but a sh$t situation he was put into by a bad short throw.
RE: How come I never hear  
Stan in LA : 5/17/2019 2:24 pm : link
In comment 14447174 Tesla said:
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about how Sterling Shepard has never won a playoff game? Why doesn't he get more blame for our lack of winning?

Because Shepard doens't make a jackass out of himself every 5 minutes.
RE: Really strange  
Greg from LI : 5/17/2019 2:25 pm : link
In comment 14447335 BBelle21 said:
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how that Cowherd Family Feud silliness could set OBJ off, but not surprised. Why is Baker Mayfield chiming in?. Mayfield, Cowherd, OBJ, all three look like insecure idiots.


Good stuff Olivia, thanks
Why does Eli Manning's name get brought up  
Chris684 : 5/17/2019 2:31 pm : link
in Odell Beckham discussions?

Eli Manning started 210 games in a row, played through an 8 week injury and won 2 Super Bowls in the process.

Odell Beckham leaves the first half of games for IV treatments because he doesn't like water, quit on an onside kick recovery in a huge moment at the end of a game, and was ultimately an embarrassment to this franchise.

What do the two have in common?
RE: RE: Also....  
Leg of Theismann : 5/17/2019 2:57 pm : link
In comment 14447219 Bill L said:
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You wanna criticize OBJ for making a "business decision" on that onsides kick? Absolutely 100% fair. That was some weak shit.

But then you also have to criticize Eli for throwing himself on the ground whenever a defender came near him this past season. He sure made a hell of a lot of "business decisions" this past year (and I know he USED TO stand tall in the pocket and take a beating....but I'm talking about what happened last season).



Just answer the first thing that comes into your head, do you think Eli would, even last season, "make a business decision" om the one play that might win the game for the Giants?


I'm pretty sure I'm the only person on this entire board who was okay with what OBJ did on that onside kick. If it were a playoff game that would be a different story. But he literally would have gotten destroyed and put his entire career in jeopardy on that play. I missed seeing it and when I heard about it I was like "oh boy," but then when I saw it I was like "okay yeah he would have gotten absolutely destroyed if he went for that ball, like a Brian Dawkins - Ike Hilliard level of injury. We were already well out of playoff contention at that point so in that sense I understood his decision.
We always talk about how QBs  
Leg of Theismann : 5/17/2019 2:58 pm : link
shouldn't fight for the extra yard to get a first down if it means it could put them out for the season. They are too important to the team to go down with a serious injury. I don't see why we can't say the same about a player as important and highly paid as Odell in a meaningless game when it was clear he would have been absolutely destroyed on the play.
Except that is what the hands team is for  
JOrthman : 5/17/2019 6:21 pm : link
That was the sole purpose of why he was on the field. If he can't do that, he shouldn't be on the hands team.
OBJ  
dank41 : 5/17/2019 7:01 pm : link
doesn't drink water, can't play in cold weather, and got sent to Cleveland. I got my popcorn ready!
RE: RE: RE: RE: How come I never hear  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/17/2019 7:11 pm : link
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Obviously apples vs oranges. Silly question.
But, interesting stat: over the last 2 years, Shepard has more catches and receiving yards than OBJ does.

Shep = 125 catches, 1603 yards
OBJ = 102 catches, 1354 yards



Games played: Shepard 27, Beckham 16, so....yeah




I think games played is the point. Can't be great unless you play.


He suffered a broken ankle. Pointing out games played like he takes games off because of a hangnail is silly.
As much as I hate Cowherd  
montanagiant : 5/17/2019 7:47 pm : link
He's not wrong with this
RE: RE: Also....  
montanagiant : 5/17/2019 7:48 pm : link
In comment 14447226 Britt in VA said:
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You wanna criticize OBJ for making a "business decision" on that onsides kick? Absolutely 100% fair. That was some weak shit.

But then you also have to criticize Eli for throwing himself on the ground whenever a defender came near him this past season. He sure made a hell of a lot of "business decisions" this past year (and I know he USED TO stand tall in the pocket and take a beating....but I'm talking about what happened last season).



I have seen some asinine comparisons on this site, but this takes the cake.

LMAO....Absolutely agree to the stupidity of this take
Mayfield and Cowherd have their own feud going  
adamg : 5/17/2019 8:06 pm : link
This is all bullshit. This is typical media crap.
RE: As much as I hate Cowherd  
eric2425ny : 5/17/2019 8:31 pm : link
In comment 14447768 montanagiant said:
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He's not wrong with this


Yup, he is actually right this time.
RE: Mayfield and Cowherd have their own feud going  
BigBluDawg : 5/17/2019 8:31 pm : link
In comment 14447786 adamg said:
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This is all bullshit. This is typical media crap.


Yea I think most people missed that, Mayfield and Cowherd have been feuding since Colin brought him on the show last year and tried to paint him as undraftable and shitty teammate. Mayfield even says that Colin keeps bashing Beckham and the browns as a way to get him fired up. Thatís why this whole OBJ creating drama for his quarterback narrative is bullshit.
RE: Mayfield and Cowherd have their own feud going  
BigBluDawg : 5/17/2019 8:32 pm : link
In comment 14447786 adamg said:
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This is all bullshit. This is typical media crap.


Yea I think most people missed that, Mayfield and Cowherd have been feuding since Colin brought him on the show last year and tried to paint him as undraftable and shitty teammate. Mayfield even says that Colin keeps bashing Beckham and the browns as a way to get him fired up. Thatís why this whole OBJ creating drama for his quarterback narrative is bullshit.
Colin's shtick here, viewed in the light that Colin  
BlueLou'sBack : 5/17/2019 9:01 pm : link
actually likes OBJ, is an attempt at a humorous, painful, teachable moment. And OBJ is just whiffing on it. I think - call me crazy - there's a lot of love for Odell in what Colin did with that top 10 list. And he finishes it clearly and repeatedly with "you're better than this" to OBJ.

But he doesn't get that... Sad, really.
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crick n NC : 5/17/2019 9:16 pm : link
I am just glad (super glad) that there aren't any agendas on this thread!
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: How come I never hear  
Bill L : 5/17/2019 10:02 pm : link
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Obviously apples vs oranges. Silly question.
But, interesting stat: over the last 2 years, Shepard has more catches and receiving yards than OBJ does.

Shep = 125 catches, 1603 yards
OBJ = 102 catches, 1354 yards



Games played: Shepard 27, Beckham 16, so....yeah




I think games played is the point. Can't be great unless you play.



He suffered a broken ankle. Pointing out games played like he takes games off because of a hangnail is silly.

I mostly agree with you and Iíve got nothing against OBJ. Not a trade I would have made it Iím not outraged by it either. I can understand that they may have found him distractions and too much of a headache with everything else they had going on. But, seldom give up on talent.

However, it do think there is reason to question (and I think the coaching staff did) him begging out of the last few games last season. I donít know his health situation, of course, but I think one could reasonably think that he was milking whatever injury he had earlier.
If saquon had the same injury  
ron mexico : 5/17/2019 10:16 pm : link
People would be begging him not to play in meaningless games
I don't..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/17/2019 10:20 pm : link
think many fans had a problem with OBJ sitting out:

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ron mexico : 10:16 pm : link : reply
People would be begging him not to play in meaningless games


When it came to light that the coaching staff did - that was pretty telling and supposedly the straw that broke the camel's back. That's when they started shopping him.
I understand that brand is more important than  
madgiantscow009 : 5/17/2019 10:33 pm : link
football to these guys, but why do does he think being a bozo is best for the brand?

There has been athletic endorsements for a long time before, but the brand thing really exploded with Michael Jordan. I seem to remember Jordan always putting winning first and that led to his brand success.
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madgiantscow009 : 5/17/2019 11:08 pm : link
RE: I don't..  
ron mexico : 5/18/2019 1:54 am : link
In comment 14447908 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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ron mexico : 10:16 pm : link : reply
People would be begging him not to play in meaningless games



When it came to light that the coaching staff did - that was pretty telling and supposedly the straw that broke the camel's back. That's when they started shopping him.


I believe it was JT Giants who floated that nugget.
Man, this is so stupid.  
Klaatu : 5/18/2019 8:21 am : link
A pox on both of their houses.
I have a feeling that...  
rmc3981 : 5/18/2019 9:14 am : link
OBJ's career will end up being a lot like Vince Carter's and Carmelo Anthony's. Great individual talents but not winners in the team sense and you knew that they were not going to be involved in a championship for their respective teams.
I think hitdog has something  
santacruzom : 5/18/2019 2:04 pm : link
of a valid point with the onside kick being horribly blocked due to bad coaching. The team's culture seems to generally diminish the importance of special teams -- why shouldn't OBJ too?
RE: I think hitdog has something  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/18/2019 2:52 pm : link
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of a valid point with the onside kick being horribly blocked due to bad coaching. The team's culture seems to generally diminish the importance of special teams -- why shouldn't OBJ too?


The team's culture?? The special teams unit last season was much improved.
RE: I think hitdog has something  
Bill L : 5/18/2019 3:02 pm : link
In comment 14448225 santacruzom said:
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of a valid point with the onside kick being horribly blocked due to bad coaching. The team's culture seems to generally diminish the importance of special teams -- why shouldn't OBJ too?
I donít understand how poor performance/lack of ability equates with or causes you to give up and quit on a play which could decide a game.
RE: RE: I think hitdog has something  
hitdog42 : 5/18/2019 4:07 pm : link
In comment 14448239 Bill L said:
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of a valid point with the onside kick being horribly blocked due to bad coaching. The team's culture seems to generally diminish the importance of special teams -- why shouldn't OBJ too?

I donít understand how poor performance/lack of ability equates with or causes you to give up and quit on a play which could decide a game.

You guys act like he had 5 seconds to sit and think about how he should approach the ball. It was a split second and with a jail break coming through he hesitated and that was that. Using that play as the calling card for labeling him X or Y is just lazy and wrong.
So youíre saying that quitting on the play  
Bill L : 5/18/2019 4:13 pm : link
Is instinctual?
Media creates controversy .....  
Bluesbreaker : 5/18/2019 7:32 pm : link
Good Lord this is one ugly thread .
It's going to be a very interesting season to say the
least . Lets look at the teams the draft and the future .
Giants pulled the trigger to replace an outstanding
QB who brought home two titles and in many eyes should
have got three See Burress gun incident .
If Jones is the goods then we are headed in the right direction .
Maybe the Browns should be the Hard knocks choice .
With a ton of talent and a couple of lightning rods it should be interesting to see how good the Browns really
are . I think they are clear favorites to get into the
Championship game that is on paper .
will miss OBJ skills and abilities but I could see them
not living up to expectations ....
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