I don’t even know who to side with in this feud. Loved OBJ but he seems like a really sensitive guy. When you start letting the goofy talking heads like Cowherd rattle you, then you are letting distractions really hinder your life.
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https://twitter.com/bakermayfield/status/1129156682771292162
It's not really out of character for Mayfield. I think he's been in a twitter war with a media personality (could be Cowherd) even before OBJ.
Why are you yelling at me? My point was that it's silly to point to Shepard having more catches and yards when he played in 11 more games than Beckham.
Also, OBJ leads in TDs 9-6.
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Obviously apples vs oranges. Silly question.
But, interesting stat: over the last 2 years, Shepard has more catches and receiving yards than OBJ does.
Shep = 125 catches, 1603 yards
OBJ = 102 catches, 1354 yards
Games played: Shepard 27, Beckham 16, so....yeah
games lost due to injury from QB unable to throw basic 10 yard slant without being behind the player? games after OBJ injury that QB played bad enough to get benched for Geno Smith? i mean we can go so many ways to just make up sh$t and create narratives. there i created one. Eli got OBJ hurt and without him he couldnt even keep his job over Geno Smith.
You use this pass by Eli to OBJ all the time so it’s clear as day you are blaming Eli for his injury... always been elis fault with you.
And OBJ gotnpoor blocking, oh woe is him. Games is on the line. It’s one thing not getting the ball it’s another at least making an attempt.
You would do well for Cam’s and OBJ’s agent as far as why not going for the ball is a smart thing.
Just look at Gurley and the Rams last year. They might be SB champs if he's 100%.
https://twitter.com/bakermayfield/status/1129156568161882113
https://twitter.com/bakermayfield/status/1129156682771292162
This team is going to be a train wreck if they start out slow ... a whole lot of “personality” on that team
Yes, it was OBJ's fault we sucked most of the time he was here. It was his fault the defense gave up so many 4th quarter leads. It was his fault our OL sucked. It was his fault Vernon could never stay healthy.
Watch out Saquon, when we don't win this year it's going to be YOUR fault!
Except for some small portion of posters on BBI, it's never, ever, Eli's fault.
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Has been that way since the beginning of sports I'm sure.
Yes, it was OBJ's fault we sucked most of the time he was here. It was his fault the defense gave up so many 4th quarter leads. It was his fault our OL sucked. It was his fault Vernon could never stay healthy.
Watch out Saquon, when we don't win this year it's going to be YOUR fault!
Except for some small portion of posters on BBI, it's never, ever, Eli's fault.
And for the majority of them it’s always Elis fault. But they don’t like being labeled as that. So they come with stupid shit as it’s never Eli’s fault.
It’s funny the same people who have ripped Eli for the majority of his career are defending OBJ for any possible reason - remember a guy who didn’t even want to play for NY and wanted out years ago. Makes a shot ton of sense, doesn’t it?
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games lost due to injury from QB unable to throw basic 10 yard slant without being behind the player? games after OBJ injury that QB played bad enough to get benched for Geno Smith? i mean we can go so many ways to just make up sh$t and create narratives. there i created one. Eli got OBJ hurt and without him he couldnt even keep his job over Geno Smith.
Why are you yelling at me? My point was that it's silly to point to Shepard having more catches and yards when he played in 11 more games than Beckham.
Also, OBJ leads in TDs 9-6.
i was complimenting your post-- stop yelling at me lol!
That means doing "meaningless" OTAs. That means not being a distraction to your team. That means no acting like a huge asshole on the sidelines when things don't go your way. That means standing by, and with, your teammates when hurt or even working out.
Eli gets it. Saquon gets it. Aaron Judge gets it. Jeter got it. David Wright got it. Willis Reed got it (did he ever).
We'll see how it works out but, no matter what anyone says, Gettleman does have a plan. And part of it is that each and every player, right down to the last practice squad player, gets it.
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Obviously apples vs oranges. Silly question.
But, interesting stat: over the last 2 years, Shepard has more catches and receiving yards than OBJ does.
Shep = 125 catches, 1603 yards
OBJ = 102 catches, 1354 yards
Games played: Shepard 27, Beckham 16, so....yeah
games lost due to injury from QB unable to throw basic 10 yard slant without being behind the player? games after OBJ injury that QB played bad enough to get benched for Geno Smith? i mean we can go so many ways to just make up sh$t and create narratives. there i created one. Eli got OBJ hurt and without him he couldnt even keep his job over Geno Smith.
You use this pass by Eli to OBJ all the time so it’s clear as day you are blaming Eli for his injury... always been elis fault with you.
And OBJ gotnpoor blocking, oh woe is him. Games is on the line. It’s one thing not getting the ball it’s another at least making an attempt.
You would do well for Cam’s and OBJ’s agent as far as why not going for the ball is a smart thing.
its not always anything... i watch the game and make conclusions.
i don't start with my conclusion and figure out how to get there.
i hear time and time again about an injury prone player we traded. he missed 3 games to start his career (followed by best rookie WR season maybe ever). and last year he got leg whipped. his largest chunk had nothing to do with being injury prone. so its just a sh$t narrative. you run a slant and have to jump and reach behind you and land like it happened... that is just an accident not injury prone.
on the onside kick- my comment was that people are acting like the guy sat there and had time to think abot what he wanted to do... the blocking was PATHETIC... coaching on the play PATHETIC clearly... and he saw the guy coming and he hesitated a second... doing what many people would do. give me a break. talk about the boat or something real, not the newest made up BS narrative.
Girardi also was cared to move him out of the 2 hole when in Jeter's final season when he was perhaps the worst hitter in the lineup.
If Eli wanted to put the team first he could take less $$$$ like Brady does. I'm sure he can afford it even without a supermodel wife.
Let's be honest, almost zero players put the team ahead of their own interests.
Or is it just a euphemism for guys who play on winning teams?
speaking of which, and i'm in the "idc that he's gone but he wasn't the biggest issue" Camp...
his statement about taking slants vs going over the top... "but it's been pretty safe and it's been, you know ... cool catching shallow [routes] and trying to take it to the house. But I'm, you know, I want to go over the top of somebody" almost proves he's being "me first".
how about take it to the house however way you can and shut up? do you not see eli getting rocked behind the line? you know he can air it out to you if he's got time.
whats going to happen when he loses a step and can't make the 50/50 catches? is Mayfield or whoever is his QB going to say "well it'd be nice if my WR would just catch everything i threw to him"
its shit like this that makes me not miss him.
Question: would you say Michael Strahan or Plaxico Burress fits this description?
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Obviously apples vs oranges. Silly question.
But, interesting stat: over the last 2 years, Shepard has more catches and receiving yards than OBJ does.
Shep = 125 catches, 1603 yards
OBJ = 102 catches, 1354 yards
Games played: Shepard 27, Beckham 16, so....yeah
I think games played is the point. Can't be great unless you play.
And Brady COULD afford to take a pay cut much easier than Eli. His wife makes insane money! Not even close.
No, not all pro athletes are so mercenary. True, they do want to make as much money as they can. But almost all of them want that ring in the worst way.
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very talented but polarizing. Some say me first type of guys.
He ended up with two rings
Perhaps, but OBJ hasn't even won a playoff game.
Neither did Deon till he left Atlanta
my bad, he won one playoff game in his 5 years with the falcons
And Deon was a DB, not actually an apples to apples comparison.
dep people are saying he made a business decision... he made a human decision... which was when its a jailbreak and guys are running full speed at stationary smaller object... you flinch ... that is a very normal thing to do. peeing on the ground after a touchdown is NOT a normal thing to do. you are taking leaps about a persons character and mentality towards the game based on an assumption where the starting point was a horribly blocked and schemed kick return. just like calling someone injury prone because they got hurt on a play that was 100% not anything to do with him but a sh$t situation he was put into by a bad short throw.
Because Shepard doens't make a jackass out of himself every 5 minutes.
Good stuff Olivia, thanks
Eli Manning started 210 games in a row, played through an 8 week injury and won 2 Super Bowls in the process.
Odell Beckham leaves the first half of games for IV treatments because he doesn't like water, quit on an onside kick recovery in a huge moment at the end of a game, and was ultimately an embarrassment to this franchise.
What do the two have in common?
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You wanna criticize OBJ for making a "business decision" on that onsides kick? Absolutely 100% fair. That was some weak shit.
But then you also have to criticize Eli for throwing himself on the ground whenever a defender came near him this past season. He sure made a hell of a lot of "business decisions" this past year (and I know he USED TO stand tall in the pocket and take a beating....but I'm talking about what happened last season).
Just answer the first thing that comes into your head, do you think Eli would, even last season, "make a business decision" om the one play that might win the game for the Giants?
I'm pretty sure I'm the only person on this entire board who was okay with what OBJ did on that onside kick. If it were a playoff game that would be a different story. But he literally would have gotten destroyed and put his entire career in jeopardy on that play. I missed seeing it and when I heard about it I was like "oh boy," but then when I saw it I was like "okay yeah he would have gotten absolutely destroyed if he went for that ball, like a Brian Dawkins - Ike Hilliard level of injury. We were already well out of playoff contention at that point so in that sense I understood his decision.
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Obviously apples vs oranges. Silly question.
But, interesting stat: over the last 2 years, Shepard has more catches and receiving yards than OBJ does.
Shep = 125 catches, 1603 yards
OBJ = 102 catches, 1354 yards
Games played: Shepard 27, Beckham 16, so....yeah
I think games played is the point. Can't be great unless you play.
He suffered a broken ankle. Pointing out games played like he takes games off because of a hangnail is silly.
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You wanna criticize OBJ for making a "business decision" on that onsides kick? Absolutely 100% fair. That was some weak shit.
But then you also have to criticize Eli for throwing himself on the ground whenever a defender came near him this past season. He sure made a hell of a lot of "business decisions" this past year (and I know he USED TO stand tall in the pocket and take a beating....but I'm talking about what happened last season).
I have seen some asinine comparisons on this site, but this takes the cake.
LMAO....Absolutely agree to the stupidity of this take
Yup, he is actually right this time.
Yea I think most people missed that, Mayfield and Cowherd have been feuding since Colin brought him on the show last year and tried to paint him as undraftable and shitty teammate. Mayfield even says that Colin keeps bashing Beckham and the browns as a way to get him fired up. That’s why this whole OBJ creating drama for his quarterback narrative is bullshit.
Yea I think most people missed that, Mayfield and Cowherd have been feuding since Colin brought him on the show last year and tried to paint him as undraftable and shitty teammate. Mayfield even says that Colin keeps bashing Beckham and the browns as a way to get him fired up. That’s why this whole OBJ creating drama for his quarterback narrative is bullshit.
But he doesn't get that... Sad, really.
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Obviously apples vs oranges. Silly question.
But, interesting stat: over the last 2 years, Shepard has more catches and receiving yards than OBJ does.
Shep = 125 catches, 1603 yards
OBJ = 102 catches, 1354 yards
Games played: Shepard 27, Beckham 16, so....yeah
I think games played is the point. Can't be great unless you play.
He suffered a broken ankle. Pointing out games played like he takes games off because of a hangnail is silly.
I mostly agree with you and I’ve got nothing against OBJ. Not a trade I would have made it I’m not outraged by it either. I can understand that they may have found him distractions and too much of a headache with everything else they had going on. But, seldom give up on talent.
However, it do think there is reason to question (and I think the coaching staff did) him begging out of the last few games last season. I don’t know his health situation, of course, but I think one could reasonably think that he was milking whatever injury he had earlier.
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People would be begging him not to play in meaningless games
When it came to light that the coaching staff did - that was pretty telling and supposedly the straw that broke the camel's back. That's when they started shopping him.
There has been athletic endorsements for a long time before, but the brand thing really exploded with Michael Jordan. I seem to remember Jordan always putting winning first and that led to his brand success.
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People would be begging him not to play in meaningless games
When it came to light that the coaching staff did - that was pretty telling and supposedly the straw that broke the camel's back. That's when they started shopping him.
I believe it was JT Giants who floated that nugget.
The team's culture?? The special teams unit last season was much improved.
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of a valid point with the onside kick being horribly blocked due to bad coaching. The team's culture seems to generally diminish the importance of special teams -- why shouldn't OBJ too?
I don’t understand how poor performance/lack of ability equates with or causes you to give up and quit on a play which could decide a game.
You guys act like he had 5 seconds to sit and think about how he should approach the ball. It was a split second and with a jail break coming through he hesitated and that was that. Using that play as the calling card for labeling him X or Y is just lazy and wrong.
It's going to be a very interesting season to say the
least . Lets look at the teams the draft and the future .
Giants pulled the trigger to replace an outstanding
QB who brought home two titles and in many eyes should
have got three See Burress gun incident .
If Jones is the goods then we are headed in the right direction .
Maybe the Browns should be the Hard knocks choice .
With a ton of talent and a couple of lightning rods it should be interesting to see how good the Browns really
are . I think they are clear favorites to get into the
Championship game that is on paper .
will miss OBJ skills and abilities but I could see them
not living up to expectations ....