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If you had been bullish on this franchise at any point since it last won the Super Bowl in 2011, you would be lucky not to have gone bankrupt. The seven-year span that followed has yielded one playoff berth, zero division titles, and a 1-5-1 record toward the over on win totals. Despite what the memes would have you believe, the primary reason that the Giants are an unsound investment — both emotionally for fans and financially for futures bettors — predates Gettleman. |
LOL! Well said.
Come on Eric. No actual facts allowed. Speculation only, plesae.
And the article was NOT scathing of Gettleman - just Mara.
well he does have a twitter following and an ESPN show... so
Like Phil Simms?
Someone held on to Reese way too long
Someone got McAdoo way wrong
Someone botched MetLife Stadium
Someone mishandled Eli's benching
All I'm saying is that since Wellington passed and EA's core roster phased, this franchise hasn't had much going for it.
Pure trash. The only thing I agree with is the Mara's are simply too loyal. However, that is also what makes them amazing human beings and why free agents come here.
Someone held on to Reese way too long
Someone got McAdoo way wrong
Someone botched MetLife Stadium
Someone mishandled Eli's benching
All I'm saying is that since Wellington passed and EA's core roster phased, this franchise hasn't had much going for it.
It's not as if the Giants were successful in the 90s when Wellington was alive.
And then there are the lousy 1st round picks from Joe Don Looney, to Tucker Fredrickson, Eldridge Small, Larry Jacobson, Jim Files, Jerry Hillebrand, Cedric Jones, Derrick Brown, Jarrod Bunch, Ron Dayne, Ereck Flowers, Eric Apple, David Wilson. And then there is the infamous Dave Brown supplemental pick. No excuses. I don 't want to hear about injuries or whatever. There were much better alternatives to draft than these guys. Remember how Wellington gave away a first round pick to the Dolphins unnecessarily for getting Larry Csonka?
And then there is the Scott Brunner vs. Phil Simms B.S.
Remember the G-men took Allie Sherman over Lombardi and Landry.
And Roselle had to intervene, threatening the Maras that their franchise be taken away from them. Thank God, he put George Young in charge of everything. Maras didn't get the Giants to the first two Super Bowls, Young did.
The one constant in all this nonsense is the Mara family.
When Jack Mara died, the organization went downhill. Jack would not even let Wellington on the field during practices. Wellington would sit in the seats with pencil and paper and draw diagrams and then fold the paper into paper planes and throw them at his brother. Ironically, he was the guy who initiated the use of Polaroids upstairs to take pictures and send them down to the field.
The Maras are the problem. Period. End of Story. What this team needs is a George Steinbrenner type owner. What we got are a bunch of greedy, pusillanimous pretenders who just happen to be the owners.
And the article was NOT scathing of Gettleman - just Mara.
Was wondering when anyone would pick up the disconnect from the subject title of the OP to the quote it contains: the FO problems "predate Gettleman".
He has to be a BBI member
Someone held on to Reese way too long
Someone got McAdoo way wrong
Someone botched MetLife Stadium
Someone mishandled Eli's benching
All I'm saying is that since Wellington passed and EA's core roster phased, this franchise hasn't had much going for it.
I agree with this take.
I think his heart is in the right place but his batting average has been pretty poor.
And I don't like chris and John having 2-3rds of the say in the draft room.
There are a few threads of a thought here that have a little merit, but most of it is pure, unadulterated bullshit.
The idea that he, or Chris, currently overrides their GM is an interesting debate that goes on here quite often. But it's hard to know from the outside looking in. And really, this writer is just bouncing the idea around the same way we do here. There's no substance to it. It's just stuff to think about.
The idea that he, or Chris, currently overrides their GM is an interesting debate that goes on here quite often. But it's hard to know from the outside looking in. And really, this writer is just bouncing the idea around the same way we do here. There's no substance to it. It's just stuff to think about.
There is more than speculation
The talk last year that each guy liked a different guy leads some credence there. I remember another article that talked about how chris John and the GM all have to agree on the pick.
When Tim Mara died went back to same shit along with new partner Tisch
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definitely had Mara's fingerprints all over it, there's no denying that.
The idea that he, or Chris, currently overrides their GM is an interesting debate that goes on here quite often. But it's hard to know from the outside looking in. And really, this writer is just bouncing the idea around the same way we do here. There's no substance to it. It's just stuff to think about.
There is more than speculation
The talk last year that each guy liked a different guy leads some credence there. I remember another article that talked about how chris John and the GM all have to agree on the pick.
I believe it was a discussion with you that I came across a link to an article in which John was quoted as saying that he has final say on the first round picks. Now, it doesn't imply that John is holding court like Commodus in the Colosseum giving a thumbs up/down. But rather there is a consensus on all picks before hand. John isn't sending in the card with only his backing such as what is rumored to have happened with Haskins/Snyder in Washington. But it also implies that John can't claim ignorance on the bad picks (Flowers/Apple). After the first round, one can only speculate how involved John is in the draft. I presume that after the high picks are selected, he defers and trusts the staff to do their jobs.
One of the first things I noticed myself. He's quick to blame Gettleman though even when wasn't here during the bulk of the downward spiral.
Pure trash. The only thing I agree with is the Mara's are simply too loyal. However, that is also what makes them amazing human beings and why free agents come here.
Agreed. A fair criticism of Mara is that he held on to Reese and Ross for too long. They should have been dismissed earlier.
Now this is pure comedy. What good is a strong arm if you have no time to throw and roethlisberger is not Michael Vick. No quarterback would have been able to overcome the Swiss cheese offensive line we had. Sure, roethlisberger may have been able to extend a few plays here and there, but nothing close to making an impact.
You also fail to mention that roethlisberger would have had one hell of a time in New York with the rape allegations and to a lesser extent the motorcycle accident.
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Roethlisberger. I know most Giants fans want to think that Eli's talent is the equal of Ben's and that Eli is a better human being. I'll grant the human being component, but Ben is far better than Eli in terms of playing the position. Given Ben's arm and mobility, the Giants would not have suffered that seven-year span of one playoff berth, zero division titles, and losing seasons if Roelithsberger had been our quarterback. Once the Giants won two SB's with Eli under center, they were stuck with him and his immobility. Yeah, I agree that Reese misjudged offensive linemen and refused to value linebackers, but a mobile QB with a powerful, accurate arm could have overcome those deficiencies. Unfortunately, Eli could not.
Now this is pure comedy. What good is a strong arm if you have no time to throw and roethlisberger is not Michael Vick. No quarterback would have been able to overcome the Swiss cheese offensive line we had. Sure, roethlisberger may have been able to extend a few plays here and there, but nothing close to making an impact.
You also fail to mention that roethlisberger would have had one hell of a time in New York with the rape allegations and to a lesser extent the motorcycle accident.
Ben would have both avoided the rush and at times gained yards. Even today, despite the beating that he's taken, he's a step up from Eli. As for a motorcycle accident, this was not a predestined event that would have happened no matter where he was. Rape allegations? Not likely. NYC is full of would be models and stewardesses who would be happy to accommodate a 6'4" NFL quarterback.
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Roethlisberger. I know most Giants fans want to think that Eli's talent is the equal of Ben's and that Eli is a better human being. I'll grant the human being component, but Ben is far better than Eli in terms of playing the position. Given Ben's arm and mobility, the Giants would not have suffered that seven-year span of one playoff berth, zero division titles, and losing seasons if Roelithsberger had been our quarterback. Once the Giants won two SB's with Eli under center, they were stuck with him and his immobility. Yeah, I agree that Reese misjudged offensive linemen and refused to value linebackers, but a mobile QB with a powerful, accurate arm could have overcome those deficiencies. Unfortunately, Eli could not.
Now this is pure comedy. What good is a strong arm if you have no time to throw and roethlisberger is not Michael Vick. No quarterback would have been able to overcome the Swiss cheese offensive line we had. Sure, roethlisberger may have been able to extend a few plays here and there, but nothing close to making an impact.
You also fail to mention that roethlisberger would have had one hell of a time in New York with the rape allegations and to a lesser extent the motorcycle accident.
Ben would have both avoided the rush and at times gained yards. Even today, despite the beating that he's taken, he's a step up from Eli. As for a motorcycle accident, this was not a predestined event that would have happened no matter where he was. Rape allegations? Not likely. NYC is full of would be models and stewardesses who would be happy to accommodate a 6'4" NFL quarterback.
You do know that for their careers, roethlisberger has been sacked 501 times. Eli has been sacked 406 and Eli played in 16 more games than Ben. So tell me how a quarterback who has been sacked almost 100 more times than Eli would survive behind an even worse line than he ever had in his career?
As far as models and stewardesses being happy to accomadate Ben, there was plenty available in the college towns he was partying too, but that didn't deter him.