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Earl the goat : 5/17/2019 4:55 pm
Rumors are starting to circulate Knicks may trade down and look to draft Texas Techs Jarrett Culver

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Kid will be a game changer in NBA. Just like Mitchell Robinson was
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RE: Knicks Need a  
rich in DC : 5/17/2019 6:54 pm : link
In comment 14447714 NYGNYY said:
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True Top Point Guard.


No, they don't.

If KD and another star come to NY, with or without AD, there will be a number of vet FA who will look to sign with the Knicks to chase a ring.

IF PG is the goal, you could get someone like Rajon Rondo. On a team with 2 or 3 legit star scorers, his passing ability would be amplified as he would not be expected to score, only distribute.

Other pass-first PG could include Ricky Rubio, Elfred Payton, or Darren Collson.
RE: Part of the answer  
Giantz_comeback : 5/17/2019 6:56 pm : link
In comment 14447722 Mike from SI said:
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is what KD wants. Does he want all the young pieces around, or does he want AD? I assume the latter, but who knows.


A 31 year old star who wants to win mutliple championships while still in his prime. What do you think the answer would be?
Who gives 5 number 1 draft picks  
xman : 5/17/2019 6:57 pm : link
( Knox, DSJ, Dallas 2 picks, and our own 1 for AD? Plus more talent.
RE: There were rumors that they like culver  
GiantGrit : 5/17/2019 6:59 pm : link
In comment 14447675 GMEN46 said:
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That would be idiotic if they did that. RJ Barrett has most upside of snyone in the draft not named Zion, you do not pass him up for a 3 and D guy. I was thought unimpressed with Culver in the tournament when the games mattered. Especially the championship game.


Ja Morant has at least the same upside as RJ Barrett. Kid is special. 6'3 (6'7 wingspan) elite athlete at point who already understands pick & roll concepts and how to utilize his stop and go better than anyone i remember recently at point in college. The game is slow for him. His biggest weakness is consistently shooting but he was 36% from 3 this year. He's a stud. Underrated ability to cut as well offensively. He'll also have the ball in his hands more than Barrett because of of his position. I'm struggling to find flaws in his game.
RE: I don't follow NYK like most BBIers do  
rich in DC : 5/17/2019 7:01 pm : link
In comment 14447715 ColHowPepper said:
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but, given the prima donna character that AD already seems to personify, any GM that guts the young talent and draft picks to acquire him--and I don't give a hoot if he thinks it helps land KD--is gambling at Vegas. Injury history, FA w/i year, player chemistry, I'd stay as far away as possible.


This is nonsense- pure nonsense.

NO has failed repeatedly to build an even moderately competitive team around AD and he finally just refused to continue to play for an inept organization. He wants to win, not be the best player on a bad team.

He will force his way to whatever team he thinks will get him a shot at a ring- and his agent has made him very aware that his hammer is his willingness to sign an extension. To kill any trade to a team he doesn't want to go to, all he has to say is "I will test FA at the end of the year" and the trade is dead, because you can't give up major assets without some assurances.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that he wants to be paired with at least one major star. That basically means what ever team KD ends up on or LeBron's Lakers. Few other teams can offer the mix of cap space plus trade pieces to build a "big 3."

Anyone blaming AD after the criminal way NO has wasted his talent is not paying attention or simply has an agenda against the player.
RE: RE: There were rumors that they like culver  
Giantz_comeback : 5/17/2019 7:05 pm : link
In comment 14447727 GiantGrit said:
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That would be idiotic if they did that. RJ Barrett has most upside of snyone in the draft not named Zion, you do not pass him up for a 3 and D guy. I was thought unimpressed with Culver in the tournament when the games mattered. Especially the championship game.



Ja Morant has at least the same upside as RJ Barrett. Kid is special. 6'3 (6'7 wingspan) elite athlete at point who already understands pick & roll concepts and how to utilize his stop and go better than anyone i remember recently at point in college. The game is slow for him. His biggest weakness is consistently shooting but he was 36% from 3 this year. He's a stud. Underrated ability to cut as well offensively. He'll also have the ball in his hands more than Barrett because of of his position. I'm struggling to find flaws in his game.


Defense or is that a result of him carrying his team offensively
Grab Barrett  
Canton : 5/17/2019 7:13 pm : link
to play with KD and KI and our supporting young cast...

Then when Zion is a FA bring him home to play with Barrett. KD should be at the end of his career by then anyway.



I want that to be our future after we try to win 5 the next 4-5 years.
After we try to win the next 4-5 years ***  
Canton : 5/17/2019 7:14 pm : link
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Pretty sobering analysis on Lakers chances  
Giantz_comeback : 5/17/2019 7:20 pm : link
For AD.



Lakers chances for AD : Not Good - ( New Window )
This is easy  
Chris L. : 5/17/2019 7:21 pm : link
Draft RJ Barrett thank your lucky stars you were able to get him (he would go number 1 in many other drafts) and DO NOT make the AD trade! Sign KD and Kyrie. Add Barrett to that and what we already have and you are looking at a team that will contend now and well into the future. IF KD and Kyrie sign there is no reason to give Barrett and all the other assets away for AD. You would destroy your flexibility going forward. Keep Barrett (future star), keep the young players with big upside and keep all of the picks.
RE: This is easy  
robbieballs2003 : 5/17/2019 7:32 pm : link
In comment 14447749 Chris L. said:
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Draft RJ Barrett thank your lucky stars you were able to get him (he would go number 1 in many other drafts) and DO NOT make the AD trade! Sign KD and Kyrie. Add Barrett to that and what we already have and you are looking at a team that will contend now and well into the future. IF KD and Kyrie sign there is no reason to give Barrett and all the other assets away for AD. You would destroy your flexibility going forward. Keep Barrett (future star), keep the young players with big upside and keep all of the picks.


Winner, winner.
Rather have Barrett than Culver  
ghost718 : 5/17/2019 7:32 pm : link
Hachimura over both
I wouldn't be surprised if Memphis has a change of heart  
Mike in NJ : 5/17/2019 7:33 pm : link
and ends up taking Barrett at 2. I think he is a better player than Morant.

The big knock on Barrett has been that he can't shoot, but Morant isn't exactly a sharp shooter either. Morant's % his freshman year were pretty much in line with where RJ's were this year and he saw improvements to get to a more respectable level this year, as you would expect Barrett to as well with another year of experience.
My only worry is that  
Chris L. : 5/17/2019 7:41 pm : link
the Grizzlies grab Barrett. I like Morant also so I won't be crestfallen but Barrett will be an all star you can write that down.
We have to take Barrett  
adamg : 5/17/2019 7:43 pm : link
No sense winning the third pick and not banking on that talent. They should be looking to move up if anything.
RE: I wouldn't be surprised if Memphis has a change of heart  
Jim in Fairfax : 5/17/2019 7:51 pm : link
In comment 14447757 Mike in NJ said:
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and ends up taking Barrett at 2. I think he is a better player than Morant.

The big knock on Barrett has been that he can't shoot, but Morant isn't exactly a sharp shooter either. Morant's % his freshman year were pretty much in line with where RJ's were this year and he saw improvements to get to a more respectable level this year, as you would expect Barrett to as well with another year of experience.

The counter-argument is to look at their free throw shooting. Thereís a track record of good free throw shooters developing better long range shooting. Poor FT shooters usually do not.
Yeah, I've been a little concerned about RJ  
bceagle05 : 5/17/2019 7:54 pm : link
but you can't win 17 games and only have Culver to show for it. Finishing games with KD, Kyrie, RJ and two defenders (Mitch and someone) would be fun, if it happens.
RE: RE: RE: There were rumors that they like culver  
GiantGrit : 5/17/2019 8:01 pm : link
In comment 14447733 Giantz_comeback said:
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That would be idiotic if they did that. RJ Barrett has most upside of snyone in the draft not named Zion, you do not pass him up for a 3 and D guy. I was thought unimpressed with Culver in the tournament when the games mattered. Especially the championship game.



Ja Morant has at least the same upside as RJ Barrett. Kid is special. 6'3 (6'7 wingspan) elite athlete at point who already understands pick & roll concepts and how to utilize his stop and go better than anyone i remember recently at point in college. The game is slow for him. His biggest weakness is consistently shooting but he was 36% from 3 this year. He's a stud. Underrated ability to cut as well offensively. He'll also have the ball in his hands more than Barrett because of of his position. I'm struggling to find flaws in his game.



Defense or is that a result of him carrying his team offensively


not sure but that is one thing i did read, could be more consistent on defense.
RE: RE: RE: RE: There were rumors that they like culver  
larryflower37 : 5/17/2019 8:13 pm : link
In comment 14447782 GiantGrit said:
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That would be idiotic if they did that. RJ Barrett has most upside of snyone in the draft not named Zion, you do not pass him up for a 3 and D guy. I was thought unimpressed with Culver in the tournament when the games mattered. Especially the championship game.



Ja Morant has at least the same upside as RJ Barrett. Kid is special. 6'3 (6'7 wingspan) elite athlete at point who already understands pick & roll concepts and how to utilize his stop and go better than anyone i remember recently at point in college. The game is slow for him. His biggest weakness is consistently shooting but he was 36% from 3 this year. He's a stud. Underrated ability to cut as well offensively. He'll also have the ball in his hands more than Barrett because of of his position. I'm struggling to find flaws in his game.



Defense or is that a result of him carrying his team offensively



not sure but that is one thing i did read, could be more consistent on defense.

He played zero defense in college.
Most said he conserved himself for the offensive side since he was 60 % of the offense.
RE: RE: There were rumors that they like culver  
ChaChing : 5/17/2019 8:14 pm : link
In comment 14447727 GiantGrit said:
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Ja Morant has at least the same upside as RJ Barrett. Kid is special. 6'3 (6'7 wingspan) elite athlete at point who already understands pick & roll concepts and how to utilize his stop and go better than anyone i remember recently at point in college. The game is slow for him. His biggest weakness is consistently shooting but he was 36% from 3 this year. He's a stud. Underrated ability to cut as well offensively. He'll also have the ball in his hands more than Barrett because of of his position. I'm struggling to find flaws in his game.

I like Morant, but he has plenty of flaws. He might get #s to start, but will be inefficient esp w/o a J, or motor off the ball / on D. Plus he's a ball dominant PG, unless he's #1 on a bad team it'll take time and effort to fit if not build on those weaknesses

Also athleticism - tons are similar or better - DSJ, Shroeder, Ish Smith, if not stars like DMitch, Russ, Dame or Steph. Guys like Teague, Bledsoe, Brogdon, Lowry even Rondo, if not Klay or Demar, will give him trouble regardless. We'll also see his paint finishes vs NBA size & physicality - much tougher than the OVC and at least takes time to adjust

I think behind Conley is the ideal situation for him. And to be fair he'll likely be pretty good. But it's not going to be easy or definite IMO. There's a lot of work to be done, and a lot of bust potential if not. Obv just my 2 cents
Actually his D reminded me of Kemba  
ChaChing : 5/17/2019 8:17 pm : link
lack of awareness if not effort (Kemba tries tho). Seemed like his teammates were aware and often covering for him. Ja's 2 perimeter mates, Buchanon & Brown iirc, we're fantastic defenders & athletes (actually, those 3 seemed stand out in their games athletically IMO)
Even if knicks do not get durant and irving  
nygiants16 : 5/17/2019 8:20 pm : link
next year will be fun..

smith, dotson, barrett, knox, trier, robinson, frank some young talent to watxh grow together
Can someone convince me of RJ Barrett?  
Anakim : 5/17/2019 8:54 pm : link
I'm far from a basketball expert, but I watched many Duke games (to see Zion) and I obviously saw Barrett quite a lot. I understood the hype and how he was supposed to be the Next Big Thing, but when I actually watched him, all I saw was a guy with great athleticism but a complete ballstopper with a poor shot. I mean the amount of shots he put on a given game was ridiculous and he made less than 50% of those shots. He's a volume scorer.
RE: Knicks Need a  
Anakim : 5/17/2019 8:56 pm : link
In comment 14447714 NYGNYY said:
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True Top Point Guard.


I can't say I've seen him a lot, but Darius Garland sounds awfully intriguing, even at 3.
Start dreaming fellas  
Canton : 5/17/2019 9:01 pm : link
RE: Can someone convince me of RJ Barrett?  
nygiants16 : 5/17/2019 9:14 pm : link
In comment 14447822 Anakim said:
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I'm far from a basketball expert, but I watched many Duke games (to see Zion) and I obviously saw Barrett quite a lot. I understood the hype and how he was supposed to be the Next Big Thing, but when I actually watched him, all I saw was a guy with great athleticism but a complete ballstopper with a poor shot. I mean the amount of shots he put on a given game was ridiculous and he made less than 50% of those shots. He's a volume scorer.


he did shoot 45 percent from the field, scored 22.5 on 18 shots..

He can get to the rim, big and strong, good vision averaged 4 assists..

Needs to work on his 3 point shooting absolutely..

I think the spacing in the nba is really going to help him
To add to that he's got a solid handle  
ChaChing : 5/17/2019 9:31 pm : link
both to attack the rim which he does a lot, as well as run the break. Decent post game. Solid defender w/ good motor. Good bball IQ, work ethic

He's kind of a do-it-all type even if not elite at one thing. That plus playing in the ACC (closest to NBA comp), you'd guess he has the easiest transition & highest floor of the top options as many say. Tho IMO star potential if he ups the D and J. Assuming KD for NYK, he can fit nicely whether a starter or a bench option for scoring, energy or D

There's still an argument to be made about several other prospects' ceilings, but RJ is likely the safest bet w/ the most immediate production
I should say immediate impact more than raw production  
ChaChing : 5/17/2019 9:34 pm : link
particularly on a good team where personnel & scheme fit is more the priority
At the end of the day knicks should not overpay for AD  
GMEN46 : 5/17/2019 10:52 pm : link
If they are getting Kyrie and KD. A team with Kyrie KD and 2-3 vets with all of the young talent will be able to compete for a championship. At the very least you let the team play until February until other players become available, ie Beal, Paul George, etc. I donít think you have to rush and over pay for AD before the season starts. If you can get a few potential ring chasers like Danny green or Wes Matthews and deandre Jordan Brook Lopez or Ed Davis with Kd and Kyrie, then the team will be a top 4 team in the east and at the break you will have all of this young talent and picks to make trades and it wonít cost nearly as much to add another piece. I am interested to see how some of this young guys perform with another year of growth and how they play with actual nba talent. The thought of having the big 3 is def awesome but I also think a team mixed with 2 stars, 3 nba vet ring chasers and a lot of young players is very appealing as welZ.

Is Scottie Pippen a reasonable comp  
wigs in nyc : 5/17/2019 11:21 pm : link
for a max upside Barrett?
I am not a college basketball talent evaluator  
GiantJake : 5/17/2019 11:32 pm : link
but I can read statistics. Barrett put up some rare numbers and yet I am reading that people watched him and were unimpressed with his game? Really?

1) As far back as SportsRef data is available (since 92-93), Barrett is the only freshman to EVER have a season averaging 20+ PPG, 7+ RPG, and 4+ APG. 9 seniors and 6 juniors have done it, but it had NEVER been done before by a first *or* second year player.

2) R.J. Barrett averaged 4.3 assists per game last season.
That's a higher assist average than Coby White and Carsen Edwards, the No. 2 and 3 ranked PG's in this draft

3) Barrett also averaged 7.6 rebounds. That's a higher reb average than De'Andre Hunter, Jaxson Hayes and PJ Washington.

4) Tommy Beer Retweeted - Last season, R.J. Barrett became the first player EVER in NCAA Division 1 history to tally at least 850 points, 250 rebounds, 150 assists in a single season.

Barrett is also one of just three freshmen to score 850+ points (joining Kevin Durant, Michael Beasley, and Trae Young.)

Call me crazy, but Barrett has accomplished quite a bit and is still only 18 years old. Sign me up.
Draft  
TommyWiseau : 5/18/2019 1:04 am : link
Barrett, fuck it. With the nice pickups we have had recently late in the draft or eith UDFA's, I hope we can acquire some 2nd round picks this year for some cash. Wish we could have had Dallas include their 2nd round pick this year in the Porzingis trade
Itís crazy how people  
GMEN46 : 5/18/2019 1:26 am : link
On bbi will literally label a 18-20 year old player a bust. Who cares if Barrett shot 30 percent from 3 in college, I would imagine half of those 3 attempts were bad shots. Well itís very common for 18 year olds to not knowthe difference between a good shot and a bad shot. Players primes are 26-32 roughly. If kid is 18 that means he is 8 years away from having his game fully developed. As everyone on here knows I was all about Donovan Mitchell and was pissed we passed on him, but I can see plenty frankyís game that I think he will have a nice role in the nba in the future. His basketball IQ is very high, he plays good defense, he sees the floor well, and he is a long player for his position. His jump shot form, is fine just a little slow in the release. The guy has certainly had some injury issues, but he is still a kid growing into his body. He will learn to shoot the 3 and the mid range jumpers because he will work hard at it. We probably wonít see it on the knicks but three years from now he will be a 12 5 and 5 guy who plays excelelent defense and has a very strong +/- when he is on the floor. You need players like that on your team.

Dennis Smith Jr is turning 22 in November and has all the talent in the world. I am not saying he will figure it out, but the upside potential is still huge. He needs to figure out how to be a pg and with some good coaching who knows what he will look like at 25. Again most likely will not be on the knicks.

Knox - turning 20 in August and one of youngest players in the NBa last year. Certainly struggled throughout the year, but he finished strong. He is already working out with Fiz daily. He is young and motivated. Will he ever be a superstar, probably not, but I could certainly see him being at the same trajectory as Tobias Harris is at 26 right now. Thatís six years away. He def has the desire to improve and he seems like a good kid. Needs to work in defense and overall intensity, the stuff comes with growth and confidence. I am sure itís hard to be confident as the youngest player in the nba.

My point is there are so many players in the league right now that took 5 or 6 years before they figured out their roles, not everyone is going to be Durant or Lebron..
RE: Is Scottie Pippen a reasonable comp  
Vanzetti : 5/18/2019 1:26 am : link
In comment 14447951 wigs in nyc said:
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for a max upside Barrett?


I'd say more like Victor Oladipo.

Pippen was a top 5 player in the laegue most years. He was just overshadowed by Jordan
RE: Itís crazy how people  
Giantz_comeback : 5/18/2019 3:53 am : link
In comment 14447971 GMEN46 said:
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On bbi will literally label a 18-20 year old player a bust. Who cares if Barrett shot 30 percent from 3 in college, I would imagine half of those 3 attempts were bad shots. Well itís very common for 18 year olds to not knowthe difference between a good shot and a bad shot. Players primes are 26-32 roughly. If kid is 18 that means he is 8 years away from having his game fully developed. As everyone on here knows I was all about Donovan Mitchell and was pissed we passed on him, but I can see plenty frankyís game that I think he will have a nice role in the nba in the future. His basketball IQ is very high, he plays good defense, he sees the floor well, and he is a long player for his position. His jump shot form, is fine just a little slow in the release. The guy has certainly had some injury issues, but he is still a kid growing into his body. He will learn to shoot the 3 and the mid range jumpers because he will work hard at it. We probably wonít see it on the knicks but three years from now he will be a 12 5 and 5 guy who plays excelelent defense and has a very strong +/- when he is on the floor. You need players like that on your team.

Dennis Smith Jr is turning 22 in November and has all the talent in the world. I am not saying he will figure it out, but the upside potential is still huge. He needs to figure out how to be a pg and with some good coaching who knows what he will look like at 25. Again most likely will not be on the knicks.

Knox - turning 20 in August and one of youngest players in the NBa last year. Certainly struggled throughout the year, but he finished strong. He is already working out with Fiz daily. He is young and motivated. Will he ever be a superstar, probably not, but I could certainly see him being at the same trajectory as Tobias Harris is at 26 right now. Thatís six years away. He def has the desire to improve and he seems like a good kid. Needs to work in defense and overall intensity, the stuff comes with growth and confidence. I am sure itís hard to be confident as the youngest player in the nba.

My point is there are so many players in the league right now that took 5 or 6 years before they figured out their roles, not everyone is going to be Durant or Lebron..


All these guys traded for a top 5 player in the NBA and I wouldn't bat an eye. It amazes me how any Knick fan could not want a trio that would rival any team in the NBA (perhaps you could make an argument for the Warriors) in KD, Kyrie and AD. NBA is a star driven league and the Miami model works a whole lot more than the Philly Model. None of these guys DSJ,Frank Knox will come close to touching AD level. Knoxs D is so bad it isnt going to go all the way to elite you hope he develops to average, Franks O is so bad you hope he can get to 12 pts a game. DSJ while a tremendous athlete is not the consistent type of PG you see elite potential in. All these guys ceilings are that of guys who could approach high level in 1 or 2 facets of their game (maybe) but not elite all around all star talents like the top stars of this league.

We all love 'home grown' guys and guys we can watch 'grow up' but I want to see this team finally win again. Remember LJ, Houston and Spreewell? 3 FAs brought in here. Nowhere near the level of KD,Kyrie and AD and yet we went to a finals with those guys. Do you look back and say I didnt like that team because we didn't have enough home grown guys on it? Or I wish we tried to develop through the draft more?

Give me the Miami model, I will take winning over sentimentality any day. KD, AD and Kyrie would be something MSG has never seen the likes of in its history. And we have a legit chance to make it happen.


It's kind of funny how fandom works...  
JustaDiscussion : 5/18/2019 6:40 am : link
Read a game thread after a Knicks game, especially during a season as tough as last year, and the vitriol towards some of the young players makes me personally just shake my head. Then, rumors start about trading for a player who is widely agreed to be at least a top ten player in the league and the same fan base argues that these young players, who they spent the whole season ripping on, should not be traded.

I definitely understand being hesitant, as a fan, to see the Knicks trade for talent based on their trading history during this horrific run of the past two decades but it also doesn't mean all trades are bad. If the Knicks actually get KD and Kyrie in free agency, I personally believe that the AD trade is the best way to go. AD does have an injury history, but it seems like most other players in the league do as well: KD, Kyrie, Kawhi, etc. Lebron had been an iron man but he seems to be the exception. That being said, given AD's talent level and his age I believe that this trade would be completely different than the Knicks trades of old.

It would be tough to see the Knicks part with every possible available asset that they have, but I'm hopeful that Perry would continue to show well and negotiate a fair deal. Assuming that the Knicks are good enough going forward to devalue their own 1st round picks, the only two assets I personally would struggle to let go of would be Robinson and Dallas' unprotected first. Frank, DSjr, Knox and whoever the Knicks draft all have huge question marks and many do not believe that any of them have a ceiling as high as AD. So, even though I'm one of the first people to defend players like Frank after a poor game, to trade him and the others for AD, it seems like something that would be too good to pass up imo.
im excited about RJ  
Italianju : 5/18/2019 7:38 am : link
and i think he has just as good of a chance to be a star in this league as Ja does. You can call him inefficient but you still have to be damn good to inefficiently do as much as he did, especially when you are the lead scorer (1A to Zion, but the offense ran through him just as much) in an ultra competitive conference.

Man i wish we had our second rounder, that would be such a sweet pick.
i know its just vegas...  
Italianju : 5/18/2019 7:44 am : link
covering their ass, but knicks up to 3rd best odds to win 2020 nba championship, lol. Tied with LAC and HOU behind GSW/MIL.
Way less of an NBA-savvy fan  
bigbluehoya : 5/18/2019 7:55 am : link
Than many here, but I have a feeling that Memphis is going to end up taking Barrett at 2. The base case for Barrett just feels a lot safer, and heís got as high or higher upside as Morant.

I also have a feeling that the Knicks end up getting an AD deal that obviously involves the #3. It seems too obvious with the alleged ďover my dead bodyĒ comments from the Pels owner about LAL/Davis.
supposedly Benson..  
Italianju : 5/18/2019 8:07 am : link
said that quote was BS. That said i feel like that could easily be damage control. NO has a few weeks to try convince Davis to stay cause you have to think they would like to do this before the draft. Seems awfully risky to keep him into the season.
RE: Taco Fall  
Earl the goat : 5/18/2019 8:28 am : link
In comment 14447704 MookGiants said:
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Has zero chance to be a game changer in the NBA


Which NBA team do you scout for? You may be unemployed after the draft
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idiotsavant : 5/18/2019 8:33 am : link
Knee Lee
Trier
Barrett
Vonleh
Robinson
RE: RE: Itís crazy how people  
CromartiesKid21 : 5/18/2019 8:39 am : link
In comment 14447982 Giantz_comeback said:
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On bbi will literally label a 18-20 year old player a bust. Who cares if Barrett shot 30 percent from 3 in college, I would imagine half of those 3 attempts were bad shots. Well itís very common for 18 year olds to not knowthe difference between a good shot and a bad shot. Players primes are 26-32 roughly. If kid is 18 that means he is 8 years away from having his game fully developed. As everyone on here knows I was all about Donovan Mitchell and was pissed we passed on him, but I can see plenty frankyís game that I think he will have a nice role in the nba in the future. His basketball IQ is very high, he plays good defense, he sees the floor well, and he is a long player for his position. His jump shot form, is fine just a little slow in the release. The guy has certainly had some injury issues, but he is still a kid growing into his body. He will learn to shoot the 3 and the mid range jumpers because he will work hard at it. We probably wonít see it on the knicks but three years from now he will be a 12 5 and 5 guy who plays excelelent defense and has a very strong +/- when he is on the floor. You need players like that on your team.

Dennis Smith Jr is turning 22 in November and has all the talent in the world. I am not saying he will figure it out, but the upside potential is still huge. He needs to figure out how to be a pg and with some good coaching who knows what he will look like at 25. Again most likely will not be on the knicks.

Knox - turning 20 in August and one of youngest players in the NBa last year. Certainly struggled throughout the year, but he finished strong. He is already working out with Fiz daily. He is young and motivated. Will he ever be a superstar, probably not, but I could certainly see him being at the same trajectory as Tobias Harris is at 26 right now. Thatís six years away. He def has the desire to improve and he seems like a good kid. Needs to work in defense and overall intensity, the stuff comes with growth and confidence. I am sure itís hard to be confident as the youngest player in the nba.

My point is there are so many players in the league right now that took 5 or 6 years before they figured out their roles, not everyone is going to be Durant or Lebron..



All these guys traded for a top 5 player in the NBA and I wouldn't bat an eye. It amazes me how any Knick fan could not want a trio that would rival any team in the NBA (perhaps you could make an argument for the Warriors) in KD, Kyrie and AD. NBA is a star driven league and the Miami model works a whole lot more than the Philly Model. None of these guys DSJ,Frank Knox will come close to touching AD level. Knoxs D is so bad it isnt going to go all the way to elite you hope he develops to average, Franks O is so bad you hope he can get to 12 pts a game. DSJ while a tremendous athlete is not the consistent type of PG you see elite potential in. All these guys ceilings are that of guys who could approach high level in 1 or 2 facets of their game (maybe) but not elite all around all star talents like the top stars of this league.

We all love 'home grown' guys and guys we can watch 'grow up' but I want to see this team finally win again. Remember LJ, Houston and Spreewell? 3 FAs brought in here. Nowhere near the level of KD,Kyrie and AD and yet we went to a finals with those guys. Do you look back and say I didnt like that team because we didn't have enough home grown guys on it? Or I wish we tried to develop through the draft more?

Give me the Miami model, I will take winning over sentimentality any day. KD, AD and Kyrie would be something MSG has never seen the likes of in its history. And we have a legit chance to make it happen.



Well said good post
Especially with the NBA  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/18/2019 8:49 am : link
falling in love with young guys doesn't get you anywhere. Fans assume a good rookie is going to keep improving indefinitely. It's certainly not always the case.

Player development in the NBA is hard to figure out. Deangelo Russell looked like a sure bust as a rookie and he's starting to play great basketball after his first team quit on him.

RE: supposedly Benson..  
bigbluehoya : 5/18/2019 9:04 am : link
In comment 14448028 Italianju said:
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said that quote was BS. That said i feel like that could easily be damage control. NO has a few weeks to try convince Davis to stay cause you have to think they would like to do this before the draft. Seems awfully risky to keep him into the season.


Maybe it is BS...

But maybe now theyíre just walking it back once they explained to her that it destroys their leverage.
RE: I don't follow NYK like most BBIers do  
smorgan741 : 5/18/2019 3:45 pm : link
In comment 14447715 ColHowPepper said:
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but, given the prima donna character that AD already seems to personify, any GM that guts the young talent and draft picks to acquire him--and I don't give a hoot if he thinks it helps land KD--is gambling at Vegas. Injury history, FA w/i year, player chemistry, I'd stay as far away as possible.


I agree 100%
RE: RE: I don't follow NYK like most BBIers do  
smorgan741 : 5/18/2019 3:54 pm : link
In comment 14447731 rich in DC said:
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In comment 14447715 ColHowPepper said:


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but, given the prima donna character that AD already seems to personify, any GM that guts the young talent and draft picks to acquire him--and I don't give a hoot if he thinks it helps land KD--is gambling at Vegas. Injury history, FA w/i year, player chemistry, I'd stay as far away as possible.



This is nonsense- pure nonsense.

NO has failed repeatedly to build an even moderately competitive team around AD and he finally just refused to continue to play for an inept organization. He wants to win, not be the best player on a bad team.

He will force his way to whatever team he thinks will get him a shot at a ring- and his agent has made him very aware that his hammer is his willingness to sign an extension. To kill any trade to a team he doesn't want to go to, all he has to say is "I will test FA at the end of the year" and the trade is dead, because you can't give up major assets without some assurances.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that he wants to be paired with at least one major star. That basically means what ever team KD ends up on or LeBron's Lakers. Few other teams can offer the mix of cap space plus trade pieces to build a "big 3."

Anyone blaming AD after the criminal way NO has wasted his talent is not paying attention or simply has an agenda against the player.


It's the way he did it. By mentioning it mid season he selfishly hurt his team. Why not wait until season is over? I also wouldn't want a player that did this...and how could I trust he would resign after a year? Totally disagree with your comment and the comment of an "agenda against player"
Unless of course you can read minds.
If so what's the powerball numbers tonight?
Guys itís not about falling in love  
GMEN46 : 5/18/2019 4:12 pm : link
With the young players and obviously these guys arenít at the talent level of AD potential, but I canít understand how guys say a players is going to be a bust after 1 year when the player is 18 years old. Who are we to say RJ Barrett is not the next superstar in the NBA, he has the talent to get there, itís on him to make it happen.

My point about Frank is 12-5-5 with elite defense is huge, donít discount that. Think iguodala from golden state, golden state has had all of these superstars but probably doesnít win all of these championships without him. He is the guy that guards all the elite small forwards. Who are we to say Frank cannot be that guy in 3-5 years with 20 lbs of muscle on him.

I will totally be fine if itís AD KD and Kyrie because there will be plenty of ring chasers, I just donít know that itís necessry. I think KD Kyrie with a few vets and a mix of th young guys will be enough to compete for a championship. Additionally I would love to see a lot of these young guys and Barrett for at least half the year and if we not satisfied then we can package some of the young guys with picks at the trade deadline if necessary for another player. There will be plenty of guys available at the trade deadline. I just donít know that they need to rush to gut the whole team and trade al of the picks. That Dallas 2021 pick has a very good chance to be a lottery pick. I donít think Doncic and porzingis are anywhere ready to make a playoff run in the west.
RE: RE: Taco Fall  
MookGiants : 5/18/2019 8:03 pm : link
In comment 14448045 Earl the goat said:
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Has zero chance to be a game changer in the NBA



Which NBA team do you scout for? You may be unemployed after the draft


He's a 50/50 shot to even be drafted, but continue on. He can't do anything on a basketball court besides block shots, and he will foul out in 15 minutes in an NBA game.

You saw Tacko play once and now he's going to be some dominant force. His absolute ceiling is Bobi. A 8-9 guy on a team, and that's even unlikely
I agree with Mook  
Anakim : 5/18/2019 8:54 pm : link
While Fall is raw, I can't see how he makes the NBA. AT BEST, you stash him in the G-League and develop him into a backup big.
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