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Earl the goat : 5/17/2019 4:55 pm
Rumors are starting to circulate Knicks may trade down and look to draft Texas Techs Jarrett Culver

I’m watching the draft combine and I’m seeing Tacko Fall competing
Central Florida Center 7’7”
Kid will be a game changer in NBA. Just like Mitchell Robinson was
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I am curious  
Amtoft : 5/17/2019 5:12 pm : link
How Bol Bol will look. He has a chance to be special also.
Where are these Culver rumors?  
Mike in NJ : 5/17/2019 5:13 pm : link
I haven’t seen anything about the Knicks considering moving down.
RE: I am curious  
Stu11 : 5/17/2019 5:17 pm : link
In comment 14447664 Amtoft said:
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How Bol Bol will look. He has a chance to be special also.

Yep he really intruiges me as well. In the handful of games he played his #'s were off the charts.
Thing is if you want to guarantee culver..  
Italianju : 5/17/2019 5:17 pm : link
you can only drop like 2 maybe 3 spots. I know the drop off from Barrett is high but im not sure how much you are getting to move back those couple spots. A team like CHI, PHX, etc.. isnt giving an unprotected future pick for it since they suck every year. ha
There were rumors that they like culver  
GMEN46 : 5/17/2019 5:28 pm : link
That would be idiotic if they did that. RJ Barrett has most upside of snyone in the draft not named Zion, you do not pass him up for a 3 and D guy. I was thought unimpressed with Culver in the tournament when the games mattered. Especially the championship game.
RE: There were rumors that they like culver  
Mike from SI : 5/17/2019 5:33 pm : link
In comment 14447675 GMEN46 said:
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That would be idiotic if they did that. RJ Barrett has most upside of snyone in the draft not named Zion, you do not pass him up for a 3 and D guy. I was thought unimpressed with Culver in the tournament when the games mattered. Especially the championship game.


I'm not as big a college bball fan as many on here (so take my opinion for what it's worth) but I'm with you. Take Barrett and be thankful we got a top 3 pick.
RJ Barrett  
PhilSimms15 : 5/17/2019 6:04 pm : link
Is a triple A talent, still only 18, and had his best games against the best teams.

Also has great court vision and is a superior rebounder for a two guard. Does need to improve his three-point shooting but most rookies encounter the same issue.

The Knicks should not overthink things. RJ has very high ceiling.

And I hope they don’t strip the team for AD. This is particularly so because no matter what promises Davis makes, he is still a UFA in one year.
Barrett is the 2nd best player in this draft  
larryflower37 : 5/17/2019 6:09 pm : link
And might end up a better pro than Zion.
He is only 18 and average 22 pts 7.6 rebounds and 4.6 assists. Plus he has a ton of swagger and loves the big moment.
Also the talk is he is a natural passer we great vision.
Fall is a high 2nd round pick at best.
He is a 10 minute a game guy, come in for defense and match up situations
Can't see how trading down....  
Tesla : 5/17/2019 6:20 pm : link
makes any sense at all for Knicks. They have tons of draft picks moving forward and it's obviously time for them to put all their chips in the table to try and win now.

Separately, I was really opposed to the KP trade at the time, but it now looks like it might end up being the best trade in the history of the franchise (if KD + 1 actually come here and it helps give us the ammo to go get AD).
RE: RJ Barrett  
Giantfan21 : 5/17/2019 6:21 pm : link
In comment 14447694 PhilSimms15 said:
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Is a triple A talent, still only 18, and had his best games against the best teams.

Also has great court vision and is a superior rebounder for a two guard. Does need to improve his three-point shooting but most rookies encounter the same issue.

The Knicks should not overthink things. RJ has very high ceiling.

And I hope they don’t strip the team for AD. This is particularly so because no matter what promises Davis makes, he is still a UFA in one year.


This is the part that a lot of people are missing. They would give up everything with no guarantee davis is staying because he cannot legally sign contract until mid-season . You are taking a huge chance trading for him when it's possible he can just walk after the year and be left with nothing . No way i make this trade .

He can say whatever he wants, if the year doesn't go well or he isn't happy he can walk and those promises of him staying mean nothing
Taco Fall  
MookGiants : 5/17/2019 6:22 pm : link
Has zero chance to be a game changer in the NBA
RE: RE: RJ Barrett  
Giantz_comeback : 5/17/2019 6:34 pm : link
In comment 14447702 Giantfan21 said:
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In comment 14447694 PhilSimms15 said:


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Is a triple A talent, still only 18, and had his best games against the best teams.

Also has great court vision and is a superior rebounder for a two guard. Does need to improve his three-point shooting but most rookies encounter the same issue.

The Knicks should not overthink things. RJ has very high ceiling.

And I hope they don’t strip the team for AD. This is particularly so because no matter what promises Davis makes, he is still a UFA in one year.



This is the part that a lot of people are missing. They would give up everything with no guarantee davis is staying because he cannot legally sign contract until mid-season . You are taking a huge chance trading for him when it's possible he can just walk after the year and be left with nothing . No way i make this trade .

He can say whatever he wants, if the year doesn't go well or he isn't happy he can walk and those promises of him staying mean nothing


Waste the few years left on KDs prime with a bunch of youth around him? Not happening.
Marc Berman says Barrett is "virtual certainty"  
shyster : 5/17/2019 6:40 pm : link
to be drafted by NYK unless pick is traded for AD. Given Zion and Ja going 1-2, that is.

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the Knicks are a virtual certainty to take Duke’s swingman RJ Barrett at 3 — unless they are part of a Davis blockbuster [


Ian Begley did tweet yesterday that some people associated with Knicks like Culver but he just put that out there as a possibility.

For now, I'll go with Berman and believe it's going to be Barrett or AD.

Berman also says that Barrett is only slightly behind Morant on Knicks' current board.


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RE: RE: RE: RJ Barrett  
Giantfan21 : 5/17/2019 6:41 pm : link
In comment 14447710 Giantz_comeback said:
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In comment 14447694 PhilSimms15 said:


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Is a triple A talent, still only 18, and had his best games against the best teams.

Also has great court vision and is a superior rebounder for a two guard. Does need to improve his three-point shooting but most rookies encounter the same issue.

The Knicks should not overthink things. RJ has very high ceiling.

And I hope they don’t strip the team for AD. This is particularly so because no matter what promises Davis makes, he is still a UFA in one year.



This is the part that a lot of people are missing. They would give up everything with no guarantee davis is staying because he cannot legally sign contract until mid-season . You are taking a huge chance trading for him when it's possible he can just walk after the year and be left with nothing . No way i make this trade .

He can say whatever he wants, if the year doesn't go well or he isn't happy he can walk and those promises of him staying mean nothing



Waste the few years left on KDs prime with a bunch of youth around him? Not happening.


So go all in for davis when he can walk after the season and give up all the youth and draft picks for the next years in the process ? That would be idiotic .

There is a middle ground you know. They can trade some of the youth for other vets . Since when did it become Acquire AD at all costs or bust ?
Knicks Need a  
NYGNYY : 5/17/2019 6:42 pm : link
True Top Point Guard.
I don't follow NYK like most BBIers do  
ColHowPepper : 5/17/2019 6:43 pm : link
but, given the prima donna character that AD already seems to personify, any GM that guts the young talent and draft picks to acquire him--and I don't give a hoot if he thinks it helps land KD--is gambling at Vegas. Injury history, FA w/i year, player chemistry, I'd stay as far away as possible.
RE: RE: RJ Barrett  
Del Shofner : 5/17/2019 6:51 pm : link
In comment 14447702 Giantfan21 said:
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IThey would give up everything with no guarantee davis is staying because he cannot legally sign contract until mid-season . You are taking a huge chance trading for him when it's possible he can just walk after the year and be left with nothing . No way i make this trade .


I didn't realize he can't legally sign a new contract until mid-season. Yeah, that's a deal-killer for me as well. I thought it was going to be a sign-and-trade type deal.
Part of the answer  
Mike from SI : 5/17/2019 6:53 pm : link
is what KD wants. Does he want all the young pieces around, or does he want AD? I assume the latter, but who knows.
RE: Knicks Need a  
rich in DC : 5/17/2019 6:54 pm : link
In comment 14447714 NYGNYY said:
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True Top Point Guard.


No, they don't.

If KD and another star come to NY, with or without AD, there will be a number of vet FA who will look to sign with the Knicks to chase a ring.

IF PG is the goal, you could get someone like Rajon Rondo. On a team with 2 or 3 legit star scorers, his passing ability would be amplified as he would not be expected to score, only distribute.

Other pass-first PG could include Ricky Rubio, Elfred Payton, or Darren Collson.
RE: Part of the answer  
Giantz_comeback : 5/17/2019 6:56 pm : link
In comment 14447722 Mike from SI said:
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is what KD wants. Does he want all the young pieces around, or does he want AD? I assume the latter, but who knows.


A 31 year old star who wants to win mutliple championships while still in his prime. What do you think the answer would be?
Who gives 5 number 1 draft picks  
xman : 5/17/2019 6:57 pm : link
( Knox, DSJ, Dallas 2 picks, and our own 1 for AD? Plus more talent.
RE: There were rumors that they like culver  
GiantGrit : 5/17/2019 6:59 pm : link
In comment 14447675 GMEN46 said:
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That would be idiotic if they did that. RJ Barrett has most upside of snyone in the draft not named Zion, you do not pass him up for a 3 and D guy. I was thought unimpressed with Culver in the tournament when the games mattered. Especially the championship game.


Ja Morant has at least the same upside as RJ Barrett. Kid is special. 6'3 (6'7 wingspan) elite athlete at point who already understands pick & roll concepts and how to utilize his stop and go better than anyone i remember recently at point in college. The game is slow for him. His biggest weakness is consistently shooting but he was 36% from 3 this year. He's a stud. Underrated ability to cut as well offensively. He'll also have the ball in his hands more than Barrett because of of his position. I'm struggling to find flaws in his game.
RE: I don't follow NYK like most BBIers do  
rich in DC : 5/17/2019 7:01 pm : link
In comment 14447715 ColHowPepper said:
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but, given the prima donna character that AD already seems to personify, any GM that guts the young talent and draft picks to acquire him--and I don't give a hoot if he thinks it helps land KD--is gambling at Vegas. Injury history, FA w/i year, player chemistry, I'd stay as far away as possible.


This is nonsense- pure nonsense.

NO has failed repeatedly to build an even moderately competitive team around AD and he finally just refused to continue to play for an inept organization. He wants to win, not be the best player on a bad team.

He will force his way to whatever team he thinks will get him a shot at a ring- and his agent has made him very aware that his hammer is his willingness to sign an extension. To kill any trade to a team he doesn't want to go to, all he has to say is "I will test FA at the end of the year" and the trade is dead, because you can't give up major assets without some assurances.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that he wants to be paired with at least one major star. That basically means what ever team KD ends up on or LeBron's Lakers. Few other teams can offer the mix of cap space plus trade pieces to build a "big 3."

Anyone blaming AD after the criminal way NO has wasted his talent is not paying attention or simply has an agenda against the player.
RE: RE: There were rumors that they like culver  
Giantz_comeback : 5/17/2019 7:05 pm : link
In comment 14447727 GiantGrit said:
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That would be idiotic if they did that. RJ Barrett has most upside of snyone in the draft not named Zion, you do not pass him up for a 3 and D guy. I was thought unimpressed with Culver in the tournament when the games mattered. Especially the championship game.



Ja Morant has at least the same upside as RJ Barrett. Kid is special. 6'3 (6'7 wingspan) elite athlete at point who already understands pick & roll concepts and how to utilize his stop and go better than anyone i remember recently at point in college. The game is slow for him. His biggest weakness is consistently shooting but he was 36% from 3 this year. He's a stud. Underrated ability to cut as well offensively. He'll also have the ball in his hands more than Barrett because of of his position. I'm struggling to find flaws in his game.


Defense or is that a result of him carrying his team offensively
Grab Barrett  
Canton : 5/17/2019 7:13 pm : link
to play with KD and KI and our supporting young cast...

Then when Zion is a FA bring him home to play with Barrett. KD should be at the end of his career by then anyway.



I want that to be our future after we try to win 5 the next 4-5 years.
After we try to win the next 4-5 years ***  
Canton : 5/17/2019 7:14 pm : link
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Pretty sobering analysis on Lakers chances  
Giantz_comeback : 5/17/2019 7:20 pm : link
For AD.



Lakers chances for AD : Not Good - ( New Window )
This is easy  
Chris L. : 5/17/2019 7:21 pm : link
Draft RJ Barrett thank your lucky stars you were able to get him (he would go number 1 in many other drafts) and DO NOT make the AD trade! Sign KD and Kyrie. Add Barrett to that and what we already have and you are looking at a team that will contend now and well into the future. IF KD and Kyrie sign there is no reason to give Barrett and all the other assets away for AD. You would destroy your flexibility going forward. Keep Barrett (future star), keep the young players with big upside and keep all of the picks.
RE: This is easy  
robbieballs2003 : 5/17/2019 7:32 pm : link
In comment 14447749 Chris L. said:
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Draft RJ Barrett thank your lucky stars you were able to get him (he would go number 1 in many other drafts) and DO NOT make the AD trade! Sign KD and Kyrie. Add Barrett to that and what we already have and you are looking at a team that will contend now and well into the future. IF KD and Kyrie sign there is no reason to give Barrett and all the other assets away for AD. You would destroy your flexibility going forward. Keep Barrett (future star), keep the young players with big upside and keep all of the picks.


Winner, winner.
Rather have Barrett than Culver  
ghost718 : 5/17/2019 7:32 pm : link
Hachimura over both
I wouldn't be surprised if Memphis has a change of heart  
Mike in NJ : 5/17/2019 7:33 pm : link
and ends up taking Barrett at 2. I think he is a better player than Morant.

The big knock on Barrett has been that he can't shoot, but Morant isn't exactly a sharp shooter either. Morant's % his freshman year were pretty much in line with where RJ's were this year and he saw improvements to get to a more respectable level this year, as you would expect Barrett to as well with another year of experience.
My only worry is that  
Chris L. : 5/17/2019 7:41 pm : link
the Grizzlies grab Barrett. I like Morant also so I won't be crestfallen but Barrett will be an all star you can write that down.
We have to take Barrett  
adamg : 5/17/2019 7:43 pm : link
No sense winning the third pick and not banking on that talent. They should be looking to move up if anything.
RE: I wouldn't be surprised if Memphis has a change of heart  
Jim in Fairfax : 5/17/2019 7:51 pm : link
In comment 14447757 Mike in NJ said:
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and ends up taking Barrett at 2. I think he is a better player than Morant.

The big knock on Barrett has been that he can't shoot, but Morant isn't exactly a sharp shooter either. Morant's % his freshman year were pretty much in line with where RJ's were this year and he saw improvements to get to a more respectable level this year, as you would expect Barrett to as well with another year of experience.

The counter-argument is to look at their free throw shooting. There’s a track record of good free throw shooters developing better long range shooting. Poor FT shooters usually do not.
Yeah, I've been a little concerned about RJ  
bceagle05 : 5/17/2019 7:54 pm : link
but you can't win 17 games and only have Culver to show for it. Finishing games with KD, Kyrie, RJ and two defenders (Mitch and someone) would be fun, if it happens.
RE: RE: RE: There were rumors that they like culver  
GiantGrit : 5/17/2019 8:01 pm : link
In comment 14447733 Giantz_comeback said:
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That would be idiotic if they did that. RJ Barrett has most upside of snyone in the draft not named Zion, you do not pass him up for a 3 and D guy. I was thought unimpressed with Culver in the tournament when the games mattered. Especially the championship game.



Ja Morant has at least the same upside as RJ Barrett. Kid is special. 6'3 (6'7 wingspan) elite athlete at point who already understands pick & roll concepts and how to utilize his stop and go better than anyone i remember recently at point in college. The game is slow for him. His biggest weakness is consistently shooting but he was 36% from 3 this year. He's a stud. Underrated ability to cut as well offensively. He'll also have the ball in his hands more than Barrett because of of his position. I'm struggling to find flaws in his game.



Defense or is that a result of him carrying his team offensively


not sure but that is one thing i did read, could be more consistent on defense.
RE: RE: RE: RE: There were rumors that they like culver  
larryflower37 : 5/17/2019 8:13 pm : link
In comment 14447782 GiantGrit said:
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That would be idiotic if they did that. RJ Barrett has most upside of snyone in the draft not named Zion, you do not pass him up for a 3 and D guy. I was thought unimpressed with Culver in the tournament when the games mattered. Especially the championship game.



Ja Morant has at least the same upside as RJ Barrett. Kid is special. 6'3 (6'7 wingspan) elite athlete at point who already understands pick & roll concepts and how to utilize his stop and go better than anyone i remember recently at point in college. The game is slow for him. His biggest weakness is consistently shooting but he was 36% from 3 this year. He's a stud. Underrated ability to cut as well offensively. He'll also have the ball in his hands more than Barrett because of of his position. I'm struggling to find flaws in his game.



Defense or is that a result of him carrying his team offensively



not sure but that is one thing i did read, could be more consistent on defense.

He played zero defense in college.
Most said he conserved himself for the offensive side since he was 60 % of the offense.
RE: RE: There were rumors that they like culver  
ChaChing : 5/17/2019 8:14 pm : link
In comment 14447727 GiantGrit said:
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Ja Morant has at least the same upside as RJ Barrett. Kid is special. 6'3 (6'7 wingspan) elite athlete at point who already understands pick & roll concepts and how to utilize his stop and go better than anyone i remember recently at point in college. The game is slow for him. His biggest weakness is consistently shooting but he was 36% from 3 this year. He's a stud. Underrated ability to cut as well offensively. He'll also have the ball in his hands more than Barrett because of of his position. I'm struggling to find flaws in his game.

I like Morant, but he has plenty of flaws. He might get #s to start, but will be inefficient esp w/o a J, or motor off the ball / on D. Plus he's a ball dominant PG, unless he's #1 on a bad team it'll take time and effort to fit if not build on those weaknesses

Also athleticism - tons are similar or better - DSJ, Shroeder, Ish Smith, if not stars like DMitch, Russ, Dame or Steph. Guys like Teague, Bledsoe, Brogdon, Lowry even Rondo, if not Klay or Demar, will give him trouble regardless. We'll also see his paint finishes vs NBA size & physicality - much tougher than the OVC and at least takes time to adjust

I think behind Conley is the ideal situation for him. And to be fair he'll likely be pretty good. But it's not going to be easy or definite IMO. There's a lot of work to be done, and a lot of bust potential if not. Obv just my 2 cents
Actually his D reminded me of Kemba  
ChaChing : 5/17/2019 8:17 pm : link
lack of awareness if not effort (Kemba tries tho). Seemed like his teammates were aware and often covering for him. Ja's 2 perimeter mates, Buchanon & Brown iirc, we're fantastic defenders & athletes (actually, those 3 seemed stand out in their games athletically IMO)
Even if knicks do not get durant and irving  
nygiants16 : 5/17/2019 8:20 pm : link
next year will be fun..

smith, dotson, barrett, knox, trier, robinson, frank some young talent to watxh grow together
Can someone convince me of RJ Barrett?  
Anakim : 5/17/2019 8:54 pm : link
I'm far from a basketball expert, but I watched many Duke games (to see Zion) and I obviously saw Barrett quite a lot. I understood the hype and how he was supposed to be the Next Big Thing, but when I actually watched him, all I saw was a guy with great athleticism but a complete ballstopper with a poor shot. I mean the amount of shots he put on a given game was ridiculous and he made less than 50% of those shots. He's a volume scorer.
RE: Knicks Need a  
Anakim : 5/17/2019 8:56 pm : link
In comment 14447714 NYGNYY said:
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True Top Point Guard.


I can't say I've seen him a lot, but Darius Garland sounds awfully intriguing, even at 3.
Start dreaming fellas  
Canton : 5/17/2019 9:01 pm : link
RE: Can someone convince me of RJ Barrett?  
nygiants16 : 5/17/2019 9:14 pm : link
In comment 14447822 Anakim said:
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I'm far from a basketball expert, but I watched many Duke games (to see Zion) and I obviously saw Barrett quite a lot. I understood the hype and how he was supposed to be the Next Big Thing, but when I actually watched him, all I saw was a guy with great athleticism but a complete ballstopper with a poor shot. I mean the amount of shots he put on a given game was ridiculous and he made less than 50% of those shots. He's a volume scorer.


he did shoot 45 percent from the field, scored 22.5 on 18 shots..

He can get to the rim, big and strong, good vision averaged 4 assists..

Needs to work on his 3 point shooting absolutely..

I think the spacing in the nba is really going to help him
To add to that he's got a solid handle  
ChaChing : 5/17/2019 9:31 pm : link
both to attack the rim which he does a lot, as well as run the break. Decent post game. Solid defender w/ good motor. Good bball IQ, work ethic

He's kind of a do-it-all type even if not elite at one thing. That plus playing in the ACC (closest to NBA comp), you'd guess he has the easiest transition & highest floor of the top options as many say. Tho IMO star potential if he ups the D and J. Assuming KD for NYK, he can fit nicely whether a starter or a bench option for scoring, energy or D

There's still an argument to be made about several other prospects' ceilings, but RJ is likely the safest bet w/ the most immediate production
I should say immediate impact more than raw production  
ChaChing : 5/17/2019 9:34 pm : link
particularly on a good team where personnel & scheme fit is more the priority
At the end of the day knicks should not overpay for AD  
GMEN46 : 5/17/2019 10:52 pm : link
If they are getting Kyrie and KD. A team with Kyrie KD and 2-3 vets with all of the young talent will be able to compete for a championship. At the very least you let the team play until February until other players become available, ie Beal, Paul George, etc. I don’t think you have to rush and over pay for AD before the season starts. If you can get a few potential ring chasers like Danny green or Wes Matthews and deandre Jordan Brook Lopez or Ed Davis with Kd and Kyrie, then the team will be a top 4 team in the east and at the break you will have all of this young talent and picks to make trades and it won’t cost nearly as much to add another piece. I am interested to see how some of this young guys perform with another year of growth and how they play with actual nba talent. The thought of having the big 3 is def awesome but I also think a team mixed with 2 stars, 3 nba vet ring chasers and a lot of young players is very appealing as welZ.

Is Scottie Pippen a reasonable comp  
wigs in nyc : 5/17/2019 11:21 pm : link
for a max upside Barrett?
I am not a college basketball talent evaluator  
GiantJake : 5/17/2019 11:32 pm : link
but I can read statistics. Barrett put up some rare numbers and yet I am reading that people watched him and were unimpressed with his game? Really?

1) As far back as SportsRef data is available (since 92-93), Barrett is the only freshman to EVER have a season averaging 20+ PPG, 7+ RPG, and 4+ APG. 9 seniors and 6 juniors have done it, but it had NEVER been done before by a first *or* second year player.

2) R.J. Barrett averaged 4.3 assists per game last season.
That's a higher assist average than Coby White and Carsen Edwards, the No. 2 and 3 ranked PG's in this draft

3) Barrett also averaged 7.6 rebounds. That's a higher reb average than De'Andre Hunter, Jaxson Hayes and PJ Washington.

4) Tommy Beer Retweeted - Last season, R.J. Barrett became the first player EVER in NCAA Division 1 history to tally at least 850 points, 250 rebounds, 150 assists in a single season.

Barrett is also one of just three freshmen to score 850+ points (joining Kevin Durant, Michael Beasley, and Trae Young.)

Call me crazy, but Barrett has accomplished quite a bit and is still only 18 years old. Sign me up.
Draft  
TommyWiseau : 5/18/2019 1:04 am : link
Barrett, fuck it. With the nice pickups we have had recently late in the draft or eith UDFA's, I hope we can acquire some 2nd round picks this year for some cash. Wish we could have had Dallas include their 2nd round pick this year in the Porzingis trade
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