NFT: Knicks Draft Chat

On bbi will literally label a 18-20 year old player a bust. Who cares if Barrett shot 30 percent from 3 in college, I would imagine half of those 3 attempts were bad shots. Well it’s very common for 18 year olds to not knowthe difference between a good shot and a bad shot. Players primes are 26-32 roughly. If kid is 18 that means he is 8 years away from having his game fully developed. As everyone on here knows I was all about Donovan Mitchell and was pissed we passed on him, but I can see plenty franky’s game that I think he will have a nice role in the nba in the future. His basketball IQ is very high, he plays good defense, he sees the floor well, and he is a long player for his position. His jump shot form, is fine just a little slow in the release. The guy has certainly had some injury issues, but he is still a kid growing into his body. He will learn to shoot the 3 and the mid range jumpers because he will work hard at it. We probably won’t see it on the knicks but three years from now he will be a 12 5 and 5 guy who plays excelelent defense and has a very strong +/- when he is on the floor. You need players like that on your team.

Dennis Smith Jr is turning 22 in November and has all the talent in the world. I am not saying he will figure it out, but the upside potential is still huge. He needs to figure out how to be a pg and with some good coaching who knows what he will look like at 25. Again most likely will not be on the knicks.

Knox - turning 20 in August and one of youngest players in the NBa last year. Certainly struggled throughout the year, but he finished strong. He is already working out with Fiz daily. He is young and motivated. Will he ever be a superstar, probably not, but I could certainly see him being at the same trajectory as Tobias Harris is at 26 right now. That’s six years away. He def has the desire to improve and he seems like a good kid. Needs to work in defense and overall intensity, the stuff comes with growth and confidence. I am sure it’s hard to be confident as the youngest player in the nba.

My point is there are so many players in the league right now that took 5 or 6 years before they figured out their roles, not everyone is going to be Durant or Lebron..

In comment 14447951 wigs in nyc said:

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for a max upside Barrett?

I'd say more like Victor Oladipo.

Pippen was a top 5 player in the laegue most years. He was just overshadowed by Jordan

In comment 14447971 GMEN46 said:

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On bbi will literally label a 18-20 year old player a bust. Who cares if Barrett shot 30 percent from 3 in college, I would imagine half of those 3 attempts were bad shots. Well it’s very common for 18 year olds to not knowthe difference between a good shot and a bad shot. Players primes are 26-32 roughly. If kid is 18 that means he is 8 years away from having his game fully developed. As everyone on here knows I was all about Donovan Mitchell and was pissed we passed on him, but I can see plenty franky’s game that I think he will have a nice role in the nba in the future. His basketball IQ is very high, he plays good defense, he sees the floor well, and he is a long player for his position. His jump shot form, is fine just a little slow in the release. The guy has certainly had some injury issues, but he is still a kid growing into his body. He will learn to shoot the 3 and the mid range jumpers because he will work hard at it. We probably won’t see it on the knicks but three years from now he will be a 12 5 and 5 guy who plays excelelent defense and has a very strong +/- when he is on the floor. You need players like that on your team. Dennis Smith Jr is turning 22 in November and has all the talent in the world. I am not saying he will figure it out, but the upside potential is still huge. He needs to figure out how to be a pg and with some good coaching who knows what he will look like at 25. Again most likely will not be on the knicks. Knox - turning 20 in August and one of youngest players in the NBa last year. Certainly struggled throughout the year, but he finished strong. He is already working out with Fiz daily. He is young and motivated. Will he ever be a superstar, probably not, but I could certainly see him being at the same trajectory as Tobias Harris is at 26 right now. That’s six years away. He def has the desire to improve and he seems like a good kid. Needs to work in defense and overall intensity, the stuff comes with growth and confidence. I am sure it’s hard to be confident as the youngest player in the nba. My point is there are so many players in the league right now that took 5 or 6 years before they figured out their roles, not everyone is going to be Durant or Lebron..

All these guys traded for a top 5 player in the NBA and I wouldn't bat an eye. It amazes me how any Knick fan could not want a trio that would rival any team in the NBA (perhaps you could make an argument for the Warriors) in KD, Kyrie and AD. NBA is a star driven league and the Miami model works a whole lot more than the Philly Model. None of these guys DSJ,Frank Knox will come close to touching AD level. Knoxs D is so bad it isnt going to go all the way to elite you hope he develops to average, Franks O is so bad you hope he can get to 12 pts a game. DSJ while a tremendous athlete is not the consistent type of PG you see elite potential in. All these guys ceilings are that of guys who could approach high level in 1 or 2 facets of their game (maybe) but not elite all around all star talents like the top stars of this league.

We all love 'home grown' guys and guys we can watch 'grow up' but I want to see this team finally win again. Remember LJ, Houston and Spreewell? 3 FAs brought in here. Nowhere near the level of KD,Kyrie and AD and yet we went to a finals with those guys. Do you look back and say I didnt like that team because we didn't have enough home grown guys on it? Or I wish we tried to develop through the draft more?

Give me the Miami model, I will take winning over sentimentality any day. KD, AD and Kyrie would be something MSG has never seen the likes of in its history. And we have a legit chance to make it happen.

Read a game thread after a Knicks game, especially during a season as tough as last year, and the vitriol towards some of the young players makes me personally just shake my head. Then, rumors start about trading for a player who is widely agreed to be at least a top ten player in the league and the same fan base argues that these young players, who they spent the whole season ripping on, should not be traded.

I definitely understand being hesitant, as a fan, to see the Knicks trade for talent based on their trading history during this horrific run of the past two decades but it also doesn't mean all trades are bad. If the Knicks actually get KD and Kyrie in free agency, I personally believe that the AD trade is the best way to go. AD does have an injury history, but it seems like most other players in the league do as well: KD, Kyrie, Kawhi, etc. Lebron had been an iron man but he seems to be the exception. That being said, given AD's talent level and his age I believe that this trade would be completely different than the Knicks trades of old.

It would be tough to see the Knicks part with every possible available asset that they have, but I'm hopeful that Perry would continue to show well and negotiate a fair deal. Assuming that the Knicks are good enough going forward to devalue their own 1st round picks, the only two assets I personally would struggle to let go of would be Robinson and Dallas' unprotected first. Frank, DSjr, Knox and whoever the Knicks draft all have huge question marks and many do not believe that any of them have a ceiling as high as AD. So, even though I'm one of the first people to defend players like Frank after a poor game, to trade him and the others for AD, it seems like something that would be too good to pass up imo.

and i think he has just as good of a chance to be a star in this league as Ja does. You can call him inefficient but you still have to be damn good to inefficiently do as much as he did, especially when you are the lead scorer (1A to Zion, but the offense ran through him just as much) in an ultra competitive conference.

Man i wish we had our second rounder, that would be such a sweet pick.

covering their ass, but knicks up to 3rd best odds to win 2020 nba championship, lol. Tied with LAC and HOU behind GSW/MIL.

Than many here, but I have a feeling that Memphis is going to end up taking Barrett at 2. The base case for Barrett just feels a lot safer, and he’s got as high or higher upside as Morant.

I also have a feeling that the Knicks end up getting an AD deal that obviously involves the #3. It seems too obvious with the alleged “over my dead body” comments from the Pels owner about LAL/Davis.

said that quote was BS. That said i feel like that could easily be damage control. NO has a few weeks to try convince Davis to stay cause you have to think they would like to do this before the draft. Seems awfully risky to keep him into the season.

In comment 14447704 MookGiants said:

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Has zero chance to be a game changer in the NBA

Which NBA team do you scout for? You may be unemployed after the draft

Knee Lee
Trier
Barrett
Vonleh
Robinson

In comment 14447982 Giantz_comeback said:

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In comment 14447971 GMEN46 said: Quote: On bbi will literally label a 18-20 year old player a bust. Who cares if Barrett shot 30 percent from 3 in college, I would imagine half of those 3 attempts were bad shots. Well it’s very common for 18 year olds to not knowthe difference between a good shot and a bad shot. Players primes are 26-32 roughly. If kid is 18 that means he is 8 years away from having his game fully developed. As everyone on here knows I was all about Donovan Mitchell and was pissed we passed on him, but I can see plenty franky’s game that I think he will have a nice role in the nba in the future. His basketball IQ is very high, he plays good defense, he sees the floor well, and he is a long player for his position. His jump shot form, is fine just a little slow in the release. The guy has certainly had some injury issues, but he is still a kid growing into his body. He will learn to shoot the 3 and the mid range jumpers because he will work hard at it. We probably won’t see it on the knicks but three years from now he will be a 12 5 and 5 guy who plays excelelent defense and has a very strong +/- when he is on the floor. You need players like that on your team. Dennis Smith Jr is turning 22 in November and has all the talent in the world. I am not saying he will figure it out, but the upside potential is still huge. He needs to figure out how to be a pg and with some good coaching who knows what he will look like at 25. Again most likely will not be on the knicks. Knox - turning 20 in August and one of youngest players in the NBa last year. Certainly struggled throughout the year, but he finished strong. He is already working out with Fiz daily. He is young and motivated. Will he ever be a superstar, probably not, but I could certainly see him being at the same trajectory as Tobias Harris is at 26 right now. That’s six years away. He def has the desire to improve and he seems like a good kid. Needs to work in defense and overall intensity, the stuff comes with growth and confidence. I am sure it’s hard to be confident as the youngest player in the nba. My point is there are so many players in the league right now that took 5 or 6 years before they figured out their roles, not everyone is going to be Durant or Lebron.. All these guys traded for a top 5 player in the NBA and I wouldn't bat an eye. It amazes me how any Knick fan could not want a trio that would rival any team in the NBA (perhaps you could make an argument for the Warriors) in KD, Kyrie and AD. NBA is a star driven league and the Miami model works a whole lot more than the Philly Model. None of these guys DSJ,Frank Knox will come close to touching AD level. Knoxs D is so bad it isnt going to go all the way to elite you hope he develops to average, Franks O is so bad you hope he can get to 12 pts a game. DSJ while a tremendous athlete is not the consistent type of PG you see elite potential in. All these guys ceilings are that of guys who could approach high level in 1 or 2 facets of their game (maybe) but not elite all around all star talents like the top stars of this league. We all love 'home grown' guys and guys we can watch 'grow up' but I want to see this team finally win again. Remember LJ, Houston and Spreewell? 3 FAs brought in here. Nowhere near the level of KD,Kyrie and AD and yet we went to a finals with those guys. Do you look back and say I didnt like that team because we didn't have enough home grown guys on it? Or I wish we tried to develop through the draft more? Give me the Miami model, I will take winning over sentimentality any day. KD, AD and Kyrie would be something MSG has never seen the likes of in its history. And we have a legit chance to make it happen.

Well said good post

falling in love with young guys doesn't get you anywhere. Fans assume a good rookie is going to keep improving indefinitely. It's certainly not always the case.

Player development in the NBA is hard to figure out. Deangelo Russell looked like a sure bust as a rookie and he's starting to play great basketball after his first team quit on him.

In comment 14448028 Italianju said:

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said that quote was BS. That said i feel like that could easily be damage control. NO has a few weeks to try convince Davis to stay cause you have to think they would like to do this before the draft. Seems awfully risky to keep him into the season.

Maybe it is BS...

But maybe now they’re just walking it back once they explained to her that it destroys their leverage.

In comment 14447715 ColHowPepper said:

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but, given the prima donna character that AD already seems to personify, any GM that guts the young talent and draft picks to acquire him--and I don't give a hoot if he thinks it helps land KD--is gambling at Vegas. Injury history, FA w/i year, player chemistry, I'd stay as far away as possible.

I agree 100%

In comment 14447731 rich in DC said:

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In comment 14447715 ColHowPepper said: Quote: but, given the prima donna character that AD already seems to personify, any GM that guts the young talent and draft picks to acquire him--and I don't give a hoot if he thinks it helps land KD--is gambling at Vegas. Injury history, FA w/i year, player chemistry, I'd stay as far away as possible. This is nonsense- pure nonsense. NO has failed repeatedly to build an even moderately competitive team around AD and he finally just refused to continue to play for an inept organization. He wants to win, not be the best player on a bad team. He will force his way to whatever team he thinks will get him a shot at a ring- and his agent has made him very aware that his hammer is his willingness to sign an extension. To kill any trade to a team he doesn't want to go to, all he has to say is "I will test FA at the end of the year" and the trade is dead, because you can't give up major assets without some assurances. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that he wants to be paired with at least one major star. That basically means what ever team KD ends up on or LeBron's Lakers. Few other teams can offer the mix of cap space plus trade pieces to build a "big 3." Anyone blaming AD after the criminal way NO has wasted his talent is not paying attention or simply has an agenda against the player.

It's the way he did it. By mentioning it mid season he selfishly hurt his team. Why not wait until season is over? I also wouldn't want a player that did this...and how could I trust he would resign after a year? Totally disagree with your comment and the comment of an "agenda against player"
Unless of course you can read minds.
If so what's the powerball numbers tonight?

With the young players and obviously these guys aren’t at the talent level of AD potential, but I can’t understand how guys say a players is going to be a bust after 1 year when the player is 18 years old. Who are we to say RJ Barrett is not the next superstar in the NBA, he has the talent to get there, it’s on him to make it happen.

My point about Frank is 12-5-5 with elite defense is huge, don’t discount that. Think iguodala from golden state, golden state has had all of these superstars but probably doesn’t win all of these championships without him. He is the guy that guards all the elite small forwards. Who are we to say Frank cannot be that guy in 3-5 years with 20 lbs of muscle on him.

I will totally be fine if it’s AD KD and Kyrie because there will be plenty of ring chasers, I just don’t know that it’s necessry. I think KD Kyrie with a few vets and a mix of th young guys will be enough to compete for a championship. Additionally I would love to see a lot of these young guys and Barrett for at least half the year and if we not satisfied then we can package some of the young guys with picks at the trade deadline if necessary for another player. There will be plenty of guys available at the trade deadline. I just don’t know that they need to rush to gut the whole team and trade al of the picks. That Dallas 2021 pick has a very good chance to be a lottery pick. I don’t think Doncic and porzingis are anywhere ready to make a playoff run in the west.

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In comment 14447704 MookGiants said: Quote: Has zero chance to be a game changer in the NBA Which NBA team do you scout for? You may be unemployed after the draft

He's a 50/50 shot to even be drafted, but continue on. He can't do anything on a basketball court besides block shots, and he will foul out in 15 minutes in an NBA game.

You saw Tacko play once and now he's going to be some dominant force. His absolute ceiling is Bobi. A 8-9 guy on a team, and that's even unlikely

While Fall is raw, I can't see how he makes the NBA. AT BEST, you stash him in the G-League and develop him into a backup big.