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FWIW: Grant Williams of Tennessee on Daniel Jones BB skills

Defenderdawg : 5/17/2019 6:35 pm
Zachary Swiecicki (@zachswies)
5/17/19, 5:26 PM
Grant Williams just said Daniel Jones (yes, the quarterback the Giants drafted) was on his AAU team and dunked on a five-star 6'10" recruit, "he's always been a phenomenal athlete"

Art Stapleton (@art_stapleton)
5/17/19, 5:31 PM
Potential NBA draft pick Grant Williams of Tennessee on & #8294; Daniel Jones.
Not a surprise from what I've been told about Jones' exploits as a basketball player
Jones is a gamer  
Ben in Tampa : 5/17/2019 7:20 pm : link
For sure.
I get the feeling now we got at least an Alex Smith  
BlueLou'sBack : 5/17/2019 8:21 pm : link
quality QB in Jones. Which is pretty good but it's not another Eli, either. I hope he's better than Smith, but I think that's his floor.
RE: I get the feeling now we got at least an Alex Smith  
Blue21 : 5/17/2019 8:41 pm : link
In comment 14447794 BlueLou'sBack said:
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quality QB in Jones. Which is pretty good but it's not another Eli, either. I hope he's better than Smith, but I think that's his floor.


I agree with the "at least we got an Alex Smith type". I think he's more athletic than Smith and has the potential to be better. I keep thinking he's a more athletic Eli. Time will tell. I'm hoping he can read defenses like Eli and Peyton.
I still don't get the Alex Smith comparison's.  
barens : 5/17/2019 8:55 pm : link
Smith was a good athlete, who came from a system completely different than what Jones had out of college.

Alex Smith has trouble, even in best years as a pro, getting the ball out to his wide receivers. He's great at checking down, throwing screen passes, finding his tight end...

I don't think that is what we have in mind when we talk about Jones. He seems a lot more capable than that.
He s a superior athlete  
joeinpa : 5/17/2019 9:59 pm : link
With good size, good arm, good football IQ, mobility, demeanor similar to Eli, what s not to like
The Dawg never sleeps ..  
Bluesbreaker : 5/17/2019 10:10 pm : link
I mean from everything we have heard and watching his
tapes whats not too like . He doesn't have wow skills but seems to do everything well Give me another Eli
with better wheels ..
Alex Smith - and no disrespect to AS.  
Giant John : 5/17/2019 10:12 pm : link
Is a completely different QB. Ridiculous to even think that.
Superior athlete?  
BlueLou'sBack : 5/17/2019 10:22 pm : link
Smith ran a better 40, 3-cone, and 20 yard shuttle, the last by a wide margin. Jones vertical was 1 ffin inch more, his droad jump 7 inches...

Alex Smith was a 1St team all Americans QB, Jones wasn't 1st team All ACC.

How is Jones a better athlete? Can't say his arm is stronger...
The Alex Smith comp might have some merit, but it's also very vague.  
Big Blue Blogger : 5/18/2019 6:31 am : link
Are we talking about the college spread QB who struggled with the pro transition and did almost nothing positive in his first six years? Or the savvy, limited WCO game manager who was 75-35-1 over his last eight seasons?

The first Alex Smith would be an unmitigated disaster. The second guy would be a great floor for the sixth pick in the draft - and probably an unrealistic one. That Alex Smith seems like a reasonable midpoint for Daniel Jones, and might be closer to his ceiling. Obviously, as NYG fans we're hoping for more from Jones, and we also tend to denigrate Smith; but he was pretty good for a long time, albeit with limitations.

One resemblance between Jones and the first Alex Smith is that they were both drafted early by bad teams. Otherwise, Jones's situation is closer to what Aaron Rodgers encountered in Green Bay: replacing a legend, with the luxury of time to learn his craft (though not three years, unless Eli Manning rewinds to 2011).

As for the broader proposition of Alex Smith as a comp for Daniel Jones, I can see the resemblance in physical traits. Their builds are similar, and both are impressive, versatile athletes. Both have been questioned for their ability to make the full range of NFL throws into tight windows. The comparison isn't very useful in the near term because Jones appears more pro-ready and is less likely to be tossed into the fire. Over the longer run, if the similarities are real, they may add some perspective to both Jones floor and his ceiling.
Blue Blogger, that’s the thing, Jones has been putting the ball into  
barens : 5/18/2019 8:19 am : link
Tight windows. I don’t see any evidence where that’s not the case.

I guess what I’m trying to say, is let’s let Jones play before we start comparing him to Alex Smith. Heck, People wanted to compare Aaron Rodgers to Joey Harrington coming out of college, how did that turn out?
The ‘tight windows’ and ‘deep out’ debates will persist...  
Big Blue Blogger : 5/18/2019 9:08 am : link
...until Jones has a chance to prove his ability to make those throws against live NFL defenses. For now, it’s basically grist for us armchair GMs.
RE: I get the feeling now we got at least an Alex Smith  
BillT : 5/18/2019 9:21 am : link
In comment 14447794 BlueLou'sBack said:
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quality QB in Jones. Which is pretty good but it's not another Eli, either. I hope he's better than Smith, but I think that's his floor.

Jones is already a better passer than Smith. Don’t understand the Smith comparisons. He’s a very limited guy and Jones has a much bigger upside.
RE: The ‘tight windows’ and ‘deep out’ debates will persist...  
TMS : 5/18/2019 12:11 pm : link
In comment 14448085 Big Blue Blogger said:
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...until Jones has a chance to prove his ability to make those throws against live NFL defenses. For now, it’s basically grist for us armchair GMs.
. Very true wait till the live bullets start flying.
RE: RE: I get the feeling now we got at least an Alex Smith  
BlueLou'sBack : 5/18/2019 12:22 pm : link
In comment 14448095 BillT said:
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quality QB in Jones. Which is pretty good but it's not another Eli, either. I hope he's better than Smith, but I think that's his floor.


Jones is already a better passer than Smith. Don’t understand the Smith comparisons. He’s a very limited guy and Jones has a much bigger upside.


When Alex Smith started playing for Andy Reid, who is one of the biggest teachers of Pat Shurmur, he came into his own, culminating in his 2017 season, his 5th under Andy Reid. He passed for 4,000 yards, 26 TDs, vs 5 interceptions for a passer rating of 104...

And guys here are bitching that Jones is already a much better QB than Alex Smith?

He hasn't shown yet he's half the QB Alex Smith is, and he sure as hell hasn't shown he has a significantly stronger arm. Alex Smith can throw 45 yard long rainbow passes too, ya know.

And I said I saw that probably as Jones's FLOOR. That's a very optimistic take on Jones... But carry on fantasizers.

He's the next Aaron Rodgers!
RE: Superior athlete?  
slickwilly : 5/18/2019 12:48 pm : link
In comment 14447909 BlueLou'sBack said:
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Smith ran a better 40, 3-cone, and 20 yard shuttle, the last by a wide margin. Jones vertical was 1 ffin inch more, his droad jump 7 inches...

Alex Smith was a 1St team all Americans QB, Jones wasn't 1st team All ACC.

How is Jones a better athlete? Can't say his arm is stronger...


An athlete is someone who is proficient at sports. I hate how the word has been twisted to make it only about a persons physical abilities like a 40 time or vertical. What about all the workout warriors that didn't make it? They are physically gifted, but I wouldn't call them better athletes than others that used their abilities and ascended to a higher level.
Also I know you mentioned credentials  
slickwilly : 5/18/2019 12:51 pm : link
My post wasn't directed at you. More the larger use of the word athletic by many.
RE: Also I know you mentioned credentials  
BlueLou'sBack : 5/18/2019 1:19 pm : link
In comment 14448198 slickwilly said:
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My post wasn't directed at you. More the larger use of the word athletic by many.


No prob, I didn't take it that way and your point is a good one. I referred to the combine #s cause it's easier that arguing about "have you watched Smith escape a pass rush 100 times?"

Smith is a very athletic QB, as is Jones, apparently. Smith has demonstrated it at the NFL level; Jones has not yet.

I do think Jones is probably well ahead of Smith coming out of college thanks to Cutcliffe's training and his own mentality. Ultimately it appears DG and PS liked him more for his personality and brains than anything else, but perhaps that's reaching on my part. A lot of their comments point to that though, and it could be a stroke of genius, or at least inspiration.
Would love to get Peyton to mentor  
TMS : 5/18/2019 2:07 pm : link
Jones for down the line. But do not know how much interest he would have.
BlueLou, it has more to do with the actual comparison  
barens : 5/19/2019 3:40 am : link
Itself. Alex Smith coming out of college was far from pro ready, he always had a very strong arm, it was more about reading defenses, and having the confidence to pull the trigger when need be.

Jones probably doesn’t have the same arm strength as Smith, but he’s accurate, and from everything we’ve seen and heard, he doesn’t have trouble reading defenses. His game is much more pro ready.

And as effective as Smith has been later in his career, he still has that game manager tag for a reason. I get that your comp is at worst, but I just think they are two different qbs.

RE: RE: RE: I get the feeling now we got at least an Alex Smith  
FranchiseQB : 5/19/2019 1:06 pm : link
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quality QB in Jones. Which is pretty good but it's not another Eli, either. I hope he's better than Smith, but I think that's his floor.


Jones is already a better passer than Smith. Don’t understand the Smith comparisons. He’s a very limited guy and Jones has a much bigger upside.



When Alex Smith started playing for Andy Reid, who is one of the biggest teachers of Pat Shurmur, he came into his own, culminating in his 2017 season, his 5th under Andy Reid. He passed for 4,000 yards, 26 TDs, vs 5 interceptions for a passer rating of 104...

And guys here are bitching that Jones is already a much better QB than Alex Smith?

He hasn't shown yet he's half the QB Alex Smith is, and he sure as hell hasn't shown he has a significantly stronger arm. Alex Smith can throw 45 yard long rainbow passes too, ya know.

And I said I saw that probably as Jones's FLOOR. That's a very optimistic take on Jones... But carry on fantasizers.

He's the next Aaron Rodgers!


completely right.. Daniel Jones' FLOOR is he is out of the league in three years. People who don't know this is true are just lying to themselves.

And since when does Daniel Jones have a strong arm able to throw in tight windows. That is ridiculous. It's not on his tape and he will have to prove this when he starts playing in the NFL.
RE: BlueLou, it has more to do with the actual comparison  
BlueLou'sBack : 5/19/2019 3:08 pm : link
In comment 14448509 barens said:
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Itself. Alex Smith coming out of college was far from pro ready, he always had a very strong arm, it was more about reading defenses, and having the confidence to pull the trigger when need be.

Jones probably doesn’t have the same arm strength as Smith, but he’s accurate, and from everything we’ve seen and heard, he doesn’t have trouble reading defenses. His game is much more pro ready.

And as effective as Smith has been later in his career, he still has that game manager tag for a reason. I get that your comp is at worst, but I just think they are two different qbs.


I think a good game manager, with an NFL average arm but above average accuracy and an excellent mind for the game, along with mobility and toughness, is a heck of a floor. Not to mention the ability to handle the NY media. Smith has traits - specifically mobility but perhaps also short passing game consistency and accuracy - that Eli lacks.

The big question is, does Jones have that ability to rise to the occasion that Eli demonstrated during two terrific playoff runs to SB titles? Who can say?

You take that away from Eli, and his 2011 season where he carried the team all season long (with help from his excellent trio of WRs) and Eli's entire career screams "mediocrity". How much better than Smith is that?

By no means do I view Jones as ASII, but IMO it's a very good, and reasonable if not downright hopeful "floor."

Now what is his upside? I'll throw this out there, and it's far crazier than Smith as a floor. I think Jones can be at best a GREAT system fit QB for Shurmur, and that leads me to suggest his ceiling could be, with all the chips falling in the right places, Joe Montana.

Mobile, intelligent, excellent decision maker, throws very well on the run left or right, great short mid area accuracy, "cool as the other side of the pillow."
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