Eli's motivation comes from deep within, but I think he's more determined than ever to deliver like he 's never before.
YA tittle threw 36 TDs at age 37 in 1963 (14 games). If Eli approaches that figure (or more) in 16 games, it will be difficult to show him the door, in favor of Jones in 2020.
He will want to get paid (as well as get an extension). It's not the Manning style to offer any "hometown discounts", so it may get very interesting.
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Good luck in your future endeavors.
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This should be interesting
That means about 30 TDs 10 INTs, 65% completion and about 4000 yds.
Enjoy the quarter of a billion dollars we have given you over the past sixteen years.
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Given? I think you mean earned.
That means about 30 TDs 10 INTs, 65% completion and about 4000 yds.
Highly unlikely. He was good against a Skins team decimated by injuries on offense & defense. I'd say there's almost no chance he has 30 TDs.
What if the Moon is made of green cheese?
What if someone discovers what women want?
It’s so friggin’ simple. Sheesh. If Eli does well, it’s a win-win
I understand it s difficult from some fans perspective to move on for Eli, I was upset when Giants moves on from Simms. But more than likely Giants will be moving on from Eli.
I t s hard to have seen Eli s performance the past few seasons and agree with any assessment that makes a case for extending his career after this coming season
I agree that it's a win-win, since it means maybe we don't have to suffer through another disastrous season while Daniel Jones learns his craft. A win-win in the sense that we can extend the Eli Manning Era into 2020 and beyond? Not so much.
Eli doing well in the season he turns 39 may not be a reliable predictor of his performance in the years he turns 40 and 41. The man can still play, BUT obviously not well enough to dissuade his own adoring team from drafting a QB at #6; and he only has one way to go at this point in his career, even if his numbers improve in 2019.
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and a tick above over a full season. His OL is better than the 2nd half one was and we played without OBJ for most those games (and added Tate).
That means about 30 TDs 10 INTs, 65% completion and about 4000 yds.
Highly unlikely. He was good against a Skins team decimated by injuries on offense & defense. I'd say there's almost no chance he has 30 TDs.
Rick, you do realize that every QB gets to play against beat up teams as well as full teams. It all evens out over the course of a season. I would not disparage good games against beat up teams. Cannot cherry pick games.
That said, Eli is not playing for the Patriots. I expect a standard Eli season. The line, if it stays reasonably healthy will help him to have a good season.
That means about 30 TDs 10 INTs, 65% completion and about 4000 yds.
So you are saying that he is going to throw for less yards than last year and a lower completion percentage?
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Jones has 4 years left AFTER this one(including our 5th year option). We can also tag him multiple times, if we care to. PLENTY OF TIME for development regardless of how Eli does. It’s so friggin’ simple. Sheesh. If Eli does well, it’s a win-win.
I agree that it's a win-win, since it means maybe we don't have to suffer through another disastrous season while Daniel Jones learns his craft. A win-win in the sense that we can extend the Eli Manning Era into 2020 and beyond? Not so much.
Eli doing well in the season he turns 39 may not be a reliable predictor of his performance in the years he turns 40 and 41. The man can still play, BUT obviously not well enough to dissuade his own adoring team from drafting a QB at #6; and he only has one way to go at this point in his career, even if his numbers improve in 2019.
Mike, Any extension, if it’s in the cards, should be for 1 year, imo. That would certainly be reasonable imv and certainly not an impediment to Jones’ development. If he really has had it, then he’ll be replaced sooner rather than later.
I love Eli and will always cheer for him. It would be best for him and his family to be somewhere else in 2020.
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and a tick above over a full season. His OL is better than the 2nd half one was and we played without OBJ for most those games (and added Tate).
That means about 30 TDs 10 INTs, 65% completion and about 4000 yds.
Highly unlikely. He was good against a Skins team decimated by injuries on offense & defense. I'd say there's almost no chance he has 30 TDs.
Rick, you do realize that every QB gets to play against beat up teams as well as full teams. It all evens out over the course of a season. I would not disparage good games against beat up teams. Cannot cherry pick games.
That said, Eli is not playing for the Patriots. I expect a standard Eli season. The line, if it stays reasonably healthy will help him to have a good season.
The Skins played 2 QBs who were on the team for less then 3 weeks. That very rarely happens. So looking at the Redskins game to try to determine his ability is a joke.
He threw 6 TDs and 3 INTs in the final 4 games (3 against the Skins). If you use those numbers to project an entire season he'd be at 24 TDs and 12 INTs. Which is in line with what he's done the last 2 years.
Enjoy the quarter of a billion dollars we have given you over the past sixteen years.
Good luck in your future endeavors.
Feel free to join us in my luxury suite for any future Giants games you wish to attend.
It's been a slice, but it's time for both of us to take the next step.
-John Mara
John I think I give the team the best chance to win another championship. Thanks for finally giving me a GM that understands you need to build from the interior out. Now that we have a line and a run game I think you’ll be more than satisfied with the product on the field. I think given my dedication to this organization and success you’ll agree to let me finish out my career here in the best way possible. And that’s competing for another Super Bowl.
Take sentiment out of the equation. Would you support the Giants signing a different one-year rental QB at that price for the 2020 season? Because at that point, a one-year rental is what we're talking about, whether it's Eli Manning, Derek Carr, Cam Newton, Philip Rivers, Jameis Winston, or whoever.
I'm counting on it.
that's all...
...after this season.
Giants get a nice comp pick
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Mike, Any extension, if it’s in the cards, should be for 1 year, imo. That would certainly be reasonable imv and certainly not an impediment to Jones’ development.
Does turning-40 Eli give the Giants a significantly better chance to win in 2020 than Jones? Remember, it's not just Eli vs. Jones. It's more likely Eli vs. Jones + ~$20-25MM in cap space. Looking further down the road, are the Giants better off beyond 2020 if Eli plays that season?
Take sentiment out of the equation. Would you support the Giants signing a different one-year rental QB at that price for the 2020 season? Because at that point, a one-year rental is what we're talking about, whether it's Eli Manning, Derek Carr, Cam Newton, Philip Rivers, Jameis Winston, or whoever.
Only if Eli has a pedestrian start/year. Otherwise, per OP, if this year is a solid one and it’s been a sieve for an OL in the main and/or, all along, I give him another year. If we aren’t close to the hardware, then, no
This should be interesting
A 39 year old one who has the #6 draft pick waiting in the wings and wants to remain with his current and only team.
The discussion is most likely moot anyway though, IMO.
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Thank you for the two Super Bowls you helped bring to the New York Giants.
Enjoy the quarter of a billion dollars we have given you over the past sixteen years.
Good luck in your future endeavors.
Feel free to join us in my luxury suite for any future Giants games you wish to attend.
It's been a slice, but it's time for both of us to take the next step.
-John Mara
John I think I give the team the best chance to win another championship. Thanks for finally giving me a GM that understands you need to build from the interior out. Now that we have a line and a run game I think you’ll be more than satisfied with the product on the field. I think given my dedication to this organization and success you’ll agree to let me finish out my career here in the best way possible. And that’s competing for another Super Bowl.
Mara; Sorry Eli, for 7 years you weren’t part of the solution. I know there are some that believe you bear no responsibility for our poor performance, but I m not one of them.
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Thank you for the two Super Bowls you helped bring to the New York Giants.
Enjoy the quarter of a billion dollars we have given you over the past sixteen years.
Good luck in your future endeavors.
Feel free to join us in my luxury suite for any future Giants games you wish to attend.
It's been a slice, but it's time for both of us to take the next step.
-John Mara
Given? I think you mean earned.
You don't think it's a little bit of both? He's the highest paid player in NFL history and is not even close to the best player of his own era. There's a little bit of "given" to go along with earned.
It’s so friggin’ simple. Sheesh. If Eli does well, it’s a win-win
What a wonderful way to utilize the advantage provided by a young QB on his rookie contract!
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Jones has 4 years left AFTER this one(including our 5th year option). We can also tag him multiple times, if we care to. PLENTY OF TIME for development regardless of how Eli does.
It’s so friggin’ simple. Sheesh. If Eli does well, it’s a win-win
What a wonderful way to utilize the advantage provided by a young QB on his rookie contract!
At which point I say “Thanks Eli, congrats for going out on top” ... and then use his cap savings to plug holes with established young talent in free agency
2020 draft will gift wrap us a young stud WR, depending on how free agency shakes out there could be elite C and quality OTs available to overhaul the OL.
2020 is Jones’ time. Give him a young WR to grow with and a great OL with a “splash” free agent signing or 2 on defense and let’s go ...
I am not even considering re-signing Eli unless he pulls a Mahomes 2018 season out of his ass ... which he won’t
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Jones has 4 years left AFTER this one(including our 5th year option). We can also tag him multiple times, if we care to. PLENTY OF TIME for development regardless of how Eli does.
It’s so friggin’ simple. Sheesh. If Eli does well, it’s a win-win
What a wonderful way to utilize the advantage provided by a young QB on his rookie contract!
It's more important to win Super Bowls than it is to have a starting QB on his rookie contract, wouldn't you agree?
More likely way of winning a SB:
- Near 40 year old eating up a ton of cap room who’s played mediocre football for years and no longer can “carry” the team
Or
- Young QB with significantly more athleticism and a skillset tailored for your current HC/OC’s offense for a fraction of the cost that’ll allow you to spend money elsewhere and build a much more complete/balanced/talented roster
I’m thinking option 2
Eli's last year with the Giants should be 2019 regardless of what happens, though of course I hope he rides off with his third ring.
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Jones has 4 years left AFTER this one(including our 5th year option). We can also tag him multiple times, if we care to. PLENTY OF TIME for development regardless of how Eli does.
It’s so friggin’ simple. Sheesh. If Eli does well, it’s a win-win
What a wonderful way to utilize the advantage provided by a young QB on his rookie contract!
It's more important to win Super Bowls than it is to have a starting QB on his rookie contract, wouldn't you agree?
Of course it is. This is bizarre. Are people even reading the hypothetical? If Eli has a career year and the Giants get close or win a Super Bowl, we're going to send him packing so Jones can get reps? Fans truly want the seamless quarterback transition above all else.
I look forward to Shurmur working his QB magic with the more athletic version - in 2020
This x 1000
Jones is the future, or at least we need to find that out. Love Eli, but his days are numbered hear. Him going out on top would be a perfect ending ... not a reason to give him 30+M a year into his 40s and waste the 6th overall pick in the process