What if Eli has a career year ? ....

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What style of QB who has a "career year" then takes a pay cut like you passively/aggressively implied ?

This should be interesting

Let's just say that I wouldn't worry about it.

to where there's an open debate next off season. I can see that happening. It will be interesting.

and a tick above over a full season. His OL is better than the 2nd half one was and we played without OBJ for most those games (and added Tate).

That means about 30 TDs 10 INTs, 65% completion and about 4000 yds.

best send off possible.

In comment 14447975 MOOPS said:

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Thank you for the two Super Bowls you helped bring to the New York Giants. Enjoy the quarter of a billion dollars we have given you over the past sixteen years. Good luck in your future endeavors. Feel free to join us in my luxury suite for any future Giants games you wish to attend. It's been a slice, but it's time for both of us to take the next step. -John Mara

Given? I think you mean earned.

In comment 14447987 Giantz_comeback said:

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and a tick above over a full season. His OL is better than the 2nd half one was and we played without OBJ for most those games (and added Tate). That means about 30 TDs 10 INTs, 65% completion and about 4000 yds.

Highly unlikely. He was good against a Skins team decimated by injuries on offense & defense. I'd say there's almost no chance he has 30 TDs.

with just enough passing to try and keep defenses honest. Not sure that plays into a QB having a big year. I still remember the fun of the Killbride years, but we don't have the same horses. At best, maybe a balanced attack this year, but I don't see a pass heavy one.

What if peace comes to the Middle East?

What if the Moon is made of green cheese?

What if someone discovers what women want?

Jones has 4 years left AFTER this one(including our 5th year option). We can also tag him multiple times, if we care to. PLENTY OF TIME for development regardless of how Eli does.

It’s so friggin’ simple. Sheesh. If Eli does well, it’s a win-win

If he's bad or mediocre, the decision is made. If he's anything above that, the team's next move is all about the progress and potential they see in Daniel Jones. Unless his development is very disappointing, the Giants need to let Eli walk, either into the sunset or to another team.

Performance went into steep declined the following last season, “64”, as did the Giants.

I understand it s difficult from some fans perspective to move on for Eli, I was upset when Giants moves on from Simms. But more than likely Giants will be moving on from Eli.

I t s hard to have seen Eli s performance the past few seasons and agree with any assessment that makes a case for extending his career after this coming season

Big Blue '56 said:

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Jones has 4 years left AFTER this one(including our 5th year option). We can also tag him multiple times, if we care to. PLENTY OF TIME for development regardless of how Eli does. It’s so friggin’ simple. Sheesh. If Eli does well, it’s a win-win.

I agree that it's a win-win, since it means maybe we don't have to suffer through another disastrous season while Daniel Jones learns his craft. A win-win in the sense that we can extend the Eli Manning Era into 2020 and beyond? Not so much.

Eli doing well in the season he turns 39 may not be a reliable predictor of his performance in the years he turns 40 and 41. The man can still play, BUT obviously not well enough to dissuade his own adoring team from drafting a QB at #6; and he only has one way to go at this point in his career, even if his numbers improve in 2019.

In comment 14447992 Big Rick in FL said:

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In comment 14447987 Giantz_comeback said: Quote: and a tick above over a full season. His OL is better than the 2nd half one was and we played without OBJ for most those games (and added Tate). That means about 30 TDs 10 INTs, 65% completion and about 4000 yds. Highly unlikely. He was good against a Skins team decimated by injuries on offense & defense. I'd say there's almost no chance he has 30 TDs.

Rick, you do realize that every QB gets to play against beat up teams as well as full teams. It all evens out over the course of a season. I would not disparage good games against beat up teams. Cannot cherry pick games.

That said, Eli is not playing for the Patriots. I expect a standard Eli season. The line, if it stays reasonably healthy will help him to have a good season.

In comment 14447987 Giantz_comeback said:

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and a tick above over a full season. His OL is better than the 2nd half one was and we played without OBJ for most those games (and added Tate). That means about 30 TDs 10 INTs, 65% completion and about 4000 yds.

So you are saying that he is going to throw for less yards than last year and a lower completion percentage?

that we've been having until now. Some things never change.

Turning 39 in January. You don’t extend a soon to be 40 year old to a massive contract. It’s amazing how Tom Brady always figures out a way to “make less money” against the cap to help his team sign players or have money to make roster moves but Eli doesn’t. I truly think the only chance of extending Eli would have been or will be by taking a pay cut for this year and moving it towards a 1 year extension. Eli isn’t Brady where he’s had a top notch OL forever and he’s taken a huge beating over the years.

In comment 14448001 Big Blue Blogger said:

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Big Blue '56 said: Quote: Jones has 4 years left AFTER this one(including our 5th year option). We can also tag him multiple times, if we care to. PLENTY OF TIME for development regardless of how Eli does. It’s so friggin’ simple. Sheesh. If Eli does well, it’s a win-win. I agree that it's a win-win, since it means maybe we don't have to suffer through another disastrous season while Daniel Jones learns his craft. A win-win in the sense that we can extend the Eli Manning Era into 2020 and beyond? Not so much. Eli doing well in the season he turns 39 may not be a reliable predictor of his performance in the years he turns 40 and 41. The man can still play, BUT obviously not well enough to dissuade his own adoring team from drafting a QB at #6; and he only has one way to go at this point in his career, even if his numbers improve in 2019.

Mike, Any extension, if it’s in the cards, should be for 1 year, imo. That would certainly be reasonable imv and certainly not an impediment to Jones’ development. If he really has had it, then he’ll be replaced sooner rather than later.

He knows Jones is taking over soon. Fans will be demanding that Jones play either when the Giants fall out of contention or Eli throws an interception. Why put his family through that pain and controversy?

I love Eli and will always cheer for him. It would be best for him and his family to be somewhere else in 2020.

In comment 14448002 section125 said:

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In comment 14447992 Big Rick in FL said: Quote: In comment 14447987 Giantz_comeback said: Quote: and a tick above over a full season. His OL is better than the 2nd half one was and we played without OBJ for most those games (and added Tate). That means about 30 TDs 10 INTs, 65% completion and about 4000 yds. Highly unlikely. He was good against a Skins team decimated by injuries on offense & defense. I'd say there's almost no chance he has 30 TDs. Rick, you do realize that every QB gets to play against beat up teams as well as full teams. It all evens out over the course of a season. I would not disparage good games against beat up teams. Cannot cherry pick games. That said, Eli is not playing for the Patriots. I expect a standard Eli season. The line, if it stays reasonably healthy will help him to have a good season.

The Skins played 2 QBs who were on the team for less then 3 weeks. That very rarely happens. So looking at the Redskins game to try to determine his ability is a joke.

He threw 6 TDs and 3 INTs in the final 4 games (3 against the Skins). If you use those numbers to project an entire season he'd be at 24 TDs and 12 INTs. Which is in line with what he's done the last 2 years.

on a high note.

In comment 14447975 MOOPS said:

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Thank you for the two Super Bowls you helped bring to the New York Giants. Enjoy the quarter of a billion dollars we have given you over the past sixteen years. Good luck in your future endeavors. Feel free to join us in my luxury suite for any future Giants games you wish to attend. It's been a slice, but it's time for both of us to take the next step. -John Mara

John I think I give the team the best chance to win another championship. Thanks for finally giving me a GM that understands you need to build from the interior out. Now that we have a line and a run game I think you’ll be more than satisfied with the product on the field. I think given my dedication to this organization and success you’ll agree to let me finish out my career here in the best way possible. And that’s competing for another Super Bowl.

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Mike, Any extension, if it’s in the cards, should be for 1 year, imo. That would certainly be reasonable imv and certainly not an impediment to Jones’ development.

Does turning-40 Eli give the Giants a significantly better chance to win in 2020 than Jones? Remember, it's not just Eli vs. Jones. It's more likely Eli vs. Jones + ~$20-25MM in cap space. Looking further down the road, are the Giants better off beyond 2020 if Eli plays that season?

Take sentiment out of the equation. Would you support the Giants signing a different one-year rental QB at that price for the 2020 season? Because at that point, a one-year rental is what we're talking about, whether it's Eli Manning, Derek Carr, Cam Newton, Philip Rivers, Jameis Winston, or whoever.

Giants. And leave them with a good problem to have.

Engram becomes the best blocking TE in the league?

...?

I'm counting on it.

It would be a wonderful end of his Giants career. Seriously time to see DJ play in 2020.

with about $50M guaranteed and tell him to lead us to the promised land because its obvious another 2011 season is just around the corner. Give Jones the clipboard and tell him chart plays.

that's all...

...after this season.

Eli gets a nice FA offer from a QB desperate team
Giants get a nice comp pick

In comment 14448017 Big Blue Blogger said:

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Big Blue '56 said: Quote: Mike, Any extension, if it’s in the cards, should be for 1 year, imo. That would certainly be reasonable imv and certainly not an impediment to Jones’ development. Does turning-40 Eli give the Giants a significantly better chance to win in 2020 than Jones? Remember, it's not just Eli vs. Jones. It's more likely Eli vs. Jones + ~$20-25MM in cap space. Looking further down the road, are the Giants better off beyond 2020 if Eli plays that season? Take sentiment out of the equation. Would you support the Giants signing a different one-year rental QB at that price for the 2020 season? Because at that point, a one-year rental is what we're talking about, whether it's Eli Manning, Derek Carr, Cam Newton, Philip Rivers, Jameis Winston, or whoever.

Only if Eli has a pedestrian start/year. Otherwise, per OP, if this year is a solid one and it’s been a sieve for an OL in the main and/or, all along, I give him another year. If we aren’t close to the hardware, then, no

In comment 14447980 montanagiant said:

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What style of QB who has a "career year" then takes a pay cut like you passively/aggressively implied ? This should be interesting

A 39 year old one who has the #6 draft pick waiting in the wings and wants to remain with his current and only team.

The discussion is most likely moot anyway though, IMO.

In comment 14448011 mattlawson said:

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In comment 14447975 MOOPS said: Quote: Thank you for the two Super Bowls you helped bring to the New York Giants. Enjoy the quarter of a billion dollars we have given you over the past sixteen years. Good luck in your future endeavors. Feel free to join us in my luxury suite for any future Giants games you wish to attend. It's been a slice, but it's time for both of us to take the next step. -John Mara John I think I give the team the best chance to win another championship. Thanks for finally giving me a GM that understands you need to build from the interior out. Now that we have a line and a run game I think you’ll be more than satisfied with the product on the field. I think given my dedication to this organization and success you’ll agree to let me finish out my career here in the best way possible. And that’s competing for another Super Bowl.

Mara; Sorry Eli, for 7 years you weren’t part of the solution. I know there are some that believe you bear no responsibility for our poor performance, but I m not one of them.

In comment 14447991 Eman11 said:

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In comment 14447975 MOOPS said: Quote: Thank you for the two Super Bowls you helped bring to the New York Giants. Enjoy the quarter of a billion dollars we have given you over the past sixteen years. Good luck in your future endeavors. Feel free to join us in my luxury suite for any future Giants games you wish to attend. It's been a slice, but it's time for both of us to take the next step. -John Mara Given? I think you mean earned.

You don't think it's a little bit of both? He's the highest paid player in NFL history and is not even close to the best player of his own era. There's a little bit of "given" to go along with earned.

Peyton signs Eli to a 3-year deal with the Jets. You heard it here first! And last. Because it's not gonna happen.

In comment 14447997 Big Blue '56 said:

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Jones has 4 years left AFTER this one(including our 5th year option). We can also tag him multiple times, if we care to. PLENTY OF TIME for development regardless of how Eli does. It’s so friggin’ simple. Sheesh. If Eli does well, it’s a win-win

What a wonderful way to utilize the advantage provided by a young QB on his rookie contract!

In comment 14448061 Gatorade Dunk said:

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In comment 14447997 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: Jones has 4 years left AFTER this one(including our 5th year option). We can also tag him multiple times, if we care to. PLENTY OF TIME for development regardless of how Eli does. It’s so friggin’ simple. Sheesh. If Eli does well, it’s a win-win What a wonderful way to utilize the advantage provided by a young QB on his rookie contract!

It's more important to win Super Bowls than it is to have a starting QB on his rookie contract, wouldn't you agree?

It means this team has gone deep into the playoffs, as I believe the run game will be 1 of the best in the league and the defense significantly improved

At which point I say “Thanks Eli, congrats for going out on top” ... and then use his cap savings to plug holes with established young talent in free agency

2020 draft will gift wrap us a young stud WR, depending on how free agency shakes out there could be elite C and quality OTs available to overhaul the OL.

2020 is Jones’ time. Give him a young WR to grow with and a great OL with a “splash” free agent signing or 2 on defense and let’s go ...

I am not even considering re-signing Eli unless he pulls a Mahomes 2018 season out of his ass ... which he won’t

For however long he’s the starter, I’m expecting a bunch of checkdowns, wildly inaccurate throws past 15 yards downfield, a few killer interceptions, and some stat padding playing catch-up because the defense won’t be good enough relying on rookies and 2nd year players.

In comment 14448062 Milton said:

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In comment 14448061 Gatorade Dunk said: Quote: In comment 14447997 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: Jones has 4 years left AFTER this one(including our 5th year option). We can also tag him multiple times, if we care to. PLENTY OF TIME for development regardless of how Eli does. It’s so friggin’ simple. Sheesh. If Eli does well, it’s a win-win What a wonderful way to utilize the advantage provided by a young QB on his rookie contract! It's more important to win Super Bowls than it is to have a starting QB on his rookie contract, wouldn't you agree?

More likely way of winning a SB:

- Near 40 year old eating up a ton of cap room who’s played mediocre football for years and no longer can “carry” the team

Or

- Young QB with significantly more athleticism and a skillset tailored for your current HC/OC’s offense for a fraction of the cost that’ll allow you to spend money elsewhere and build a much more complete/balanced/talented roster

I’m thinking option 2

And fell apart year 2.

Eli's last year with the Giants should be 2019 regardless of what happens, though of course I hope he rides off with his third ring.

In comment 14448062 Milton said:

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In comment 14448061 Gatorade Dunk said: Quote: In comment 14447997 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: Jones has 4 years left AFTER this one(including our 5th year option). We can also tag him multiple times, if we care to. PLENTY OF TIME for development regardless of how Eli does. It’s so friggin’ simple. Sheesh. If Eli does well, it’s a win-win What a wonderful way to utilize the advantage provided by a young QB on his rookie contract! It's more important to win Super Bowls than it is to have a starting QB on his rookie contract, wouldn't you agree?

Of course it is. This is bizarre. Are people even reading the hypothetical? If Eli has a career year and the Giants get close or win a Super Bowl, we're going to send him packing so Jones can get reps? Fans truly want the seamless quarterback transition above all else.

Pretty insane that Eli managed to put up 4300/21/11 and a 90+ QB Rating last year ...

I look forward to Shurmur working his QB magic with the more athletic version - in 2020

This is Eli's last year, enjoy it. Hopefully he goes out on a high note.

Then you let him sign with another if we wants to continue to play. Giants have to move on and stack team with players while they can afford to.

In comment 14448072 armstead98 said:

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This is Eli's last year, enjoy it. Hopefully he goes out on a high note.

This x 1000

Jones is the future, or at least we need to find that out. Love Eli, but his days are numbered hear. Him going out on top would be a perfect ending ... not a reason to give him 30+M a year into his 40s and waste the 6th overall pick in the process

If Eli doesn’t play lights out you let him walk this year but assuming he has a career year as the OP is saying it’s a no brainer to give him a 1 year extension. If that’s the case they should be a super bowl contender with a ton of cap space to spend in 2020. And if you give him a 1 year extension and he seriously declines you have Daniel Jones ready to step in. I think people get too wrapped up in the cap, rookie QBs model, and the fact jones was the 6 pick. The goal is to win games and we have Jones until about 2023-2025 until we would need to give him a long term contract.