Eli's motivation comes from deep within, but I think he's more determined than ever to deliver like he 's never before.
YA tittle threw 36 TDs at age 37 in 1963 (14 games). If Eli approaches that figure (or more) in 16 games, it will be difficult to show him the door, in favor of Jones in 2020.
He will want to get paid (as well as get an extension). It's not the Manning style to offer any "hometown discounts", so it may get very interesting.
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and a tick above over a full season. His OL is better than the 2nd half one was and we played without OBJ for most those games (and added Tate).
That means about 30 TDs 10 INTs, 65% completion and about 4000 yds.
Highly unlikely. He was good against a Skins team decimated by injuries on offense & defense. I'd say there's almost no chance he has 30 TDs.
Due to the Madden style the NFL has mandated w the officiating and rules 25 can be possible. 30 is RN impossible. Kirk Cousins whom many here were in love w had great stats Meaningless ones for years IMO but honing in on completion percentage TDS and passer ratings to me are any average QBs are getting 30 million dollar deals.
Eli could have. A great year and It joe be as much a function of the system and the guys around him. And w Jones I’m sure the assumption would be you do the want a reasonable team friendly deal Jones will be ready
Eli is my favorite Giant next to LT. Sure HOFer in my book. He had been underrated consistently and this team has failed him repeatedly in recent years. But he had a good stable coaching staff for most of his career, has made a ton, and has 2 SBs. Time to move on.
I agree that he can still 'make all the throws'. It is the rest of his game though that really is hindering the teams success. It is the little things. A minor shift in the pocket that he no longer makes, the speed at which he brings the team to the line, the pre snap reads that take too long... Reads that used to work well but not so much anymore as teams force him to change plays when they want to.... And... With the best running back in football... The inability to execute even a reasonable play fake. Running v not running QBs is a misguided debate. Running QBs usually get hurt. But when your QB can no longer keep the defense off balance and when the ends can take direct angles and not have to hold the edge or pause for play action... It's tough to win. All the best for all of this year or part of it. But either way it's time to move on.
If this team honestly felt Eli was still the answer, he would’ve been extended - and lowered his huge 2019 cap hit - with a more aggressive free agency approach with that savings and the 6th overall pick would’ve been Josh Allen. Shula wouldn’t be publically announcing Jones’ “fast track” development and Shurmur wouldn’t be flat out saying “Eli needs to keep Jones off the field” either.
Eli is done here, it’s a matter of when, not if, this year. Obviously I hope it’s on top ... but he’s going to get some tough tests right off the bat in DAL/vs. BUF (don’t laugh, their defense is very good).
- Buffalo allowed the fewest passing yards as the #1 pass defense in the league.
- Buffalo was top 10 in defensive rushing yards/attempt
- Only Chicago/Baltimore allowed a lower QBR
The same people dreaming of a career year may be calling for Jones as soon as week 3. The Bills will not be an “easy win” - at all.
Jones may take several years to develop (like Eli). If you are a super bowl contender and Eli just outplayed his 2011 season how do you let him walk? That might cost a 2020 super bowl run (keeping in mind the hypothetical we are discussing)
Generally though agree with what most are saying like Gotham. I think it’s extremely extremely rare we will need to consider that option. This is going to be a run first team so I don’t see how Eli will have anything close to a career year. I’m hoping for a decent year from Eli so we can have one last good memory before he rides off into the sunset.
- Buffalo allowed the fewest passing yards as the #1 pass defense in the league.
- Buffalo was top 10 in defensive rushing yards/attempt
- Only Chicago/Baltimore allowed a lower QBR
The same people dreaming of a career year may be calling for Jones as soon as week 3. The Bills will not be an “easy win” - at all.
Yeah, they should be. After all, they are the Bills. Murphy’s law and all
A lot of things have to go right for a QB to have a career year, and the right people have to stay healthy. Everybody agrees Eli's best year was 2011. He didn't do it on his own. He had two great WRs that year, which made up for a bad OL and the league's worst run game. He had a good coach behind him. And a offense that, when executed right, was known to be very difficult to defend.
This should be interesting
You seem to be really looking for knocks on Eli that aren't there -- the OP has been absolutely pro Eli all offseason.
So in the spirit of not being passive aggressive -- if Manning has a career year what type of contract would you give him
My take -- I'd let him walk and get the comp pick.
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Jones has 4 years left AFTER this one(including our 5th year option). We can also tag him multiple times, if we care to. PLENTY OF TIME for development regardless of how Eli does.
It’s so friggin’ simple. Sheesh. If Eli does well, it’s a win-win
What a wonderful way to utilize the advantage provided by a young QB on his rookie contract!
It's more important to win Super Bowls than it is to have a starting QB on his rookie contract, wouldn't you agree?
Absolutely. And it's far easier with a talented QB on his rookie contract.
Might be splitting hairs, but he's already 38. He turns 39 on January 3rd.
The only way I see him sticking around is if they franchise him which would be pretty silly all things considered.
Eli has been saddled with shit personnel for 8 years. He was benched for Geno Smith. His replacement was drafted when the belief was that the organization would build the rest of the roster.
If Eli has a career year all signs point to “fuck you” and signing with another team on a multi year deal.
I think he can be an effective game manager with the offense running through Barkley, but that's it.
Don't worry about it, what team do you see lining up for Eli's services, especially teams looking to compete for the playoffs. If Eli is fa and wants to play, the only teams that would be interested are teams looking for a placeholder for a young qb, the same situation we are in right now.
Do they?
After 2017, (26 TDs/5 INTs) in favor of Mahomes because he (Reid is god At KC) ...
Neither Gettleman nor Shurmur is that highly regarded here. This is NY, John Mara runs the show. If Mara wants Eli to hang around longer, it doesn't matter what makes football sense, at that time).
If Jones doesn't get the chance to even sniff the football this year (because Eli's playing so well) ......
He’s a former champion, with 1 winning season in the last 6 years
The time to move on was 2017, on top of the fact the giants have won 8 games in 2 years .... blind loyalty for past accomplishments should not be involved in business decisions
“Could always convert Jones to tight end!” - Manish Mehta
Signed,
Willie Mays
Emmitt Smith
Countless others.
I think that Broncos team had a defense that was just slightly better than what we're projected to have this season. Just a tad.
Unlike every other player, who are just suiting up for the love of the game.