I've put together a list of free agents at key positions and was curious who BBI wants Gettleman to target. I realize that a lot of these players may be re-signed prior to free agency, and another handful will be tagged, but there is a lot of good players that are available as of today. We will have a ton of cap space available, even more if we cut ties with JackRabbit and Ogletree, and we have no player really up for a major re-sign, so we can really probably add 3 elite free agents if we want to.
EDGE
Bud Dupree
Jerry Hughes
Jadaveon Clowney
Whitney Mercilius
Yannick Ngakoue
Robert Quinn
Vinny Curry
Bruce Irvin
Dante Fowler Jr.
Ziggy Ansah
LB
Joe Schobert
Myles Jack
Jaylon Smith
Darron Lee
Deion Jones
Shaq Thompson
Deone Buchanon
Mychal Kendricks
Bobby Wagner
OT
Matt Kalil
Jack Conklin
Daryl Williams
La'el Collins
Andrus Peat
DJ Humphries
German Ifedi
S
Devin McCourty
Kevin Byard
Justin Simmons
Jeff Heath
Karl Joseph
Vonn Bell
Clowney + Bettcher could be special, although I think O.X. will be key to how much they spend on “Edge”. Nice potential options .. I’d love Bud Dupree (freak athlete) in this scheme at a likely lower cost.
Gimme Williams or Collins at RT and get out of Saquon’s way. OL should be priority - for Saquon and for Jones
ER Yannick Ngakoue
LB Deion Jones
RT Daryl Williams
Yannick Ngakoue would be my top target on that list. He is only 24 but he has posted at least 8 sacks each of his three seasons in the league. I doubt Jax let's him hit the market but if he does he should be the Giants top target. Jones is a younger better version of Ogletree and would be a valuable addition to the defense since he excels in coverage.
ER Yannick Ngakoue
LB Deion Jones
RT Daryl Williams
Yannick Ngakoue would be my top target on that list. He is only 24 but he has posted at least 8 sacks each of his three seasons in the league. I doubt Jax let's him hit the market but if he does he should be the Giants top target. Jones is a younger better version of Ogletree and would be a valuable addition to the defense since he excels in coverage.
Perhaps we selected our own Yannick Ngakoue in the 3rd round ...
Deion Jones seems like he’d be a dream “moneybacker” - good call
Solder Hernandez Hudson Zeitler Williams/Collins ... Saquon shatters every single season record
Marcell Dareus has a 22 million dollar cap hit in 2020, Calais Campbell a 17.5 million dollar cap number, Telvin Smith 12.8 million, AJ Bouye 15.5 million dollar cap hit, etc. They could save 54 million alone just by releasing them plus there are several others they will likely release to keep Yannick Ngakoue.
Solder Hernandez Hudson Zeitler Williams/Collins ... Saquon shatters every single season record
Hudson is over 30. Whitehair would be an excellent target assuming either Evan Brown or James O'Hagan don't show enough.
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or Cody Whitehair should be top targets if available
Solder Hernandez Hudson Zeitler Williams/Collins ... Saquon shatters every single season record
Hudson is over 30. Whitehair would be an excellent target assuming either Evan Brown or James O'Hagan don't show enough.
JC Tretter also may be available ... some nice C plug ins/upgrades if needed
Been banging that drum for a long time ... think he may be a restricted FA though
I would like Smith or Myles Jack but I am concerned about their ability to hold up long term. Both had serious knee concerns coming out which is why they fell to the 2nd round. Both have played well but if the Giants did sign either I hope they are able to get out of the contract after two years. Deion Jones is a safer bet IMO.
I think Quinn is as good as gone. There is little chance that Jones hits the market too. They will more than likely franchise him if they can't work out a long term deal. As you mentioned he is such a huge part of their defense and the exact type of LB that Bettcher has been looking for. Jaylon Smith or Myles Jack make a lot of sense too but again the knee issues worry me. Taking Smith away from a division rival and plugging him in at ILB would be awesome IF his knee checks out.
He’s coming off his best year and has become an elite run defender in addition to being the same freak athlete with 18.5 sacks the last 2 years
He’s also missed 3 games over the last 3 years.
6’5 270 and entering his physical prime @ 26 ... he is worth whatever it costs. Bettcher would have a field day with a talent like him.
Clowney Ogletree Connelly Carter
Tomlinson Lawrence Hill
Lawrence/Clowney/Peppers ... a “freak” at every level.
Thanks, but no thanks.
As for EDGE, Yannick Ngakoue is very intriguing and with the drafting of Josh Allen, he's a very similar build if not stronger. He'd be my top prize FA.
Those other guys, bleh. Dupree has been a disappointment in Pittsburgh. Hughes will be too old. Mercilus would be cheaper, but I wouldn't overpay. Clowney will be too much for a guy who isn't a Khalil Mack, Chandler Jones, or prime Clay Matthews pass-rusher.
As for ILB, my favorite out of that sans Wagner and Smith is Joe Schobert. He's been very good for Cleveland and wouldn't command a lot of money.
I don't love the Safeties at all. Most of those listed are box types. They need a centerfielder. They might already have a future S in Julian Love.
Get your Right Tackle in the draft
According to the NFL's Next Gen Stats, Devin reached a top speed of 22.05 mph on his 85 yard interception return.The second fastest speed by a ball carrier this season. He is faster than Tyreek Hill.
McCourty is much faster and more athletic than Julian Love.
I like your thinking score the younger solid starters
Have to get another Tackle for the O-line .
Likely a first round pick build the line For Barkley
and our prized new QB !!
Playmaking LB a top WR a LT even if they start out on
the right side Solider has to be replaced in a year
or two . Another big TE that can split the seam and
block.
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when they signed McKenzie, Burress, and Pierce who were 26 or younger.
I like your thinking score the younger solid starters
Have to get another Tackle for the O-line .
Likely a first round pick build the line For Barkley
and our prized new QB !!
Playmaking LB a top WR a LT even if they start out on
the right side Solider has to be replaced in a year
or two . Another big TE that can split the seam and
block.
In free agency my focus next offseason would be Yannick Ngakoue, Daryl Williams, and one out of Deion Jones, Myles Jack, Jaylon Smith, Deone Buchanon. I would release Alec Ogletree and in the draft focus on WR, OT, ER, DL, and C in that order.
There are some very good WR options in next years draft. Finding Jones #1 WR and continuing to strengthen the offensive line should be the focus in next years draft if they address the pass rush in free agency. The Giants have hopefully learned from their mistakes when they waited too long to find Diehl, Seubert, O'Hara, Snee, and McKenzie's replacements. Solder likely only has two years left, Zeitler 3-4, Remmers 1-2. Let's hope that either Halapio, Evan Brown, or James O'Hagan are the long term answer at center. That would solidify two long term starting spots along with Hernandez.
Thanks, but no thanks.
His cap hit would be around Eli’s current cap hit ... they could easily afford this with Jones’ QB contract
And they should. He is an elite defender in his prime and also fills a huge need
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Thanks, but no thanks.
His cap hit would be around Eli’s current cap hit ... they could easily afford this with Jones’ QB contract
And they should. He is an elite defender in his prime and also fills a huge need
There are a whole host of players who are going to need to get paid in the near future, and I'd rather not have that much money tied up in one player's contract, no matter how elite a defender he is.
Let the likes of the Jets and Redskins win the free agency competition.
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Thanks, but no thanks.
His cap hit would be around Eli’s current cap hit ... they could easily afford this with Jones’ QB contract
And they should. He is an elite defender in his prime and also fills a huge need
There are a whole host of players who are going to need to get paid in the near future, and I'd rather not have that much money tied up in one player's contract, no matter how elite a defender he is.
50M in 2020 cap, more when JJ is released (65-70M likely next year); Rosas is the only “priority” re-signing
87M in 2021 space, Engram/Peppers priority extensions
2022; things get interesting as 2018 class enters contract 2 talks.
They can afford Clowney. 2022 will be some business decisions on Solder/Zeitler ... I expect Solder gone freeing up a lot more room.
They’ll have the money to make a few big signings. The key is still to draft well, not be forced to overpay and end up with a top heavy roster with 0 depth.
Jenkins: 11.25
Tree: 8.25
Martin: 4.8
Ellison: 5
Those guys will all be cut after this year. It's 10 million in dead money but 29 million in cap savings.
Solder Hernandez Hudson Zeitler Williams/Collins ... Saquon shatters every single season record
Maybe we see how Halapio does this year. I like looking at the centers, but I'd like to see if Halapio can do the job. I think RT and LT should be looked at, especially in the draft.
Jenkins: 11.25
Tree: 8.25
Martin: 4.8
Ellison: 5
Those guys will all be cut after this year. It's 10 million in dead money but 29 million in cap savings.
1 more way to fit a guy like Clowney on the payroll ... these 2 and Eli will free up a ton on top of the already 50+M they’ll have available
I prefer elite talent vs “patching holes”
- Especially when that elite talent, entering his prime, instantly patches a gaping hole on the roster
I don’t think it will hamstring them going forward, Ogletree/Jenkins are the last of the deadweight and Tate will likely be off the books in 2 years anyway
Gimme La’el Collins and Clowney to start FA next year and get back to beating the crap out of opponents up front.
You’ve got a young cheap QB, a young cheap secondary, and a young cheap DL ... time to spend some money. Carter + Clowney would be an incredible tandem for Bettcher to tinker with
Not gonna lie, I prefer a more defense-oriented head coach and wouldn’t mind him being the head coach here.
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would not sign Clowney to the expected big contract, especially given how often he’s been hurt, or so it seems. Continue to draft well.
He’s coming off his best year and has become an elite run defender in addition to being the same freak athlete with 18.5 sacks the last 2 years
He’s also missed 3 games over the last 3 years.
6’5 270 and entering his physical prime @ 26 ... he is worth whatever it costs. Bettcher would have a field day with a talent like him.
Clowney reminds me a lot of JPP... freak athlete who puts out full effort sometimes when he has something to gain from it. I got that impression from Clowney’s Senior year in college and nothing he has done in the pros has changed my mind.
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would not sign Clowney to the expected big contract, especially given how often he’s been hurt, or so it seems. Continue to draft well.
He’s coming off his best year and has become an elite run defender in addition to being the same freak athlete with 18.5 sacks the last 2 years
He’s also missed 3 games over the last 3 years.
6’5 270 and entering his physical prime @ 26 ... he is worth whatever it costs. Bettcher would have a field day with a talent like him.
Clowney reminds me a lot of JPP... freak athlete who puts out full effort sometimes when he has something to gain from it. I got that impression from Clowney’s Senior year in college and nothing he has done in the pros has changed my mind.
You should probably look closer, as he’s improved as a pass rusher annually on top of being an elite run defender
He is 1 of the best defensive players in the league, with a diverse skill set that would thrive under Bettcher. We’d be lucky to have him.
Clowney ... is pretty good - ( New Window )
Jadaveon Clowney
And Justin Simmons please...
Go WR, OLB/ER, and OC in the draft.
Your probably right but i think Daryl Williams is a lock to leave Carolina. They have Moton at one tackle spot and they just traded up to draft OT Greg Little in round 2 this year. I think Little will serve as the backup for this season then take over at LT next year.
Houston can't afford both Clowney and Mercilus.
Yannick would be my next target, although not sure if he could play in the “hybrid” role Bettcher likes to employ (Clowney can stand up at LB, bull rush from inside, and beat OTs outside - way more athleticism)
Bud Dupree could be interesting ... he’s got the physical traits you’d love to work with. Obviously would be the more “cost effective” dice roll
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Your probably right but i think Daryl Williams is a lock to leave Carolina. They have Moton at one tackle spot and they just traded up to draft OT Greg Little in round 2 this year. I think Little will serve as the backup for this season then take over at LT next year.
Houston can't afford both Clowney and Mercilus.
Looks like Williams only went back to CAR as a “prove it” opportunity to cash in 2020 rather than take a low ball offer this offseason
He’ll hit FA (good point on their currrent roster) if he proves healthy/back to form Williams and Clowney should be on speed dial
2020 draft class >>> 2020 free agent class