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RicosRoidedElbow : 5/18/2019 5:25 pm
Now. I want you all to understand Plaxico was my all time favorite Giant. He made plays and I got excited when the ball would go his way. Eli would throw the ball 28 feet over his head but Plax still came down with it. Great red-zone target for Eli.

I was getting into a heated argument at work today with this idiot who would only talk about Burress shooting himself whenever his name came up during Giants talk. I said, look, this is the guy who caught the winning touchdown in Super Bowl but nope he kept talking about the gun incident.

I said sorry if you are way too moronic to only see the bad things athletes did and youre a Giant fan? Why even bother? He should be a hero to you. And like Coughlin said at least you didn't shoot someone else!

He wouldn't give up and just wouldn't listen to someone smarter than he was. There are ton of other instances, I guess Bill Buckner bobble or Jim Mora playoffs rant defined him over his career.

Now try to understand what I am saying here, what athletes body of work has been canceled out by one thing or one bad play?

Also: See A-rod

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umm Joe Pisarchek (sp)  
gtt350 : 5/18/2019 10:18 pm : link
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I kind of think  
mattyblue : 5/18/2019 10:34 pm : link
that nowadays everyone seems to be defined by their worst moment. Plaxico shooting himself was a completely foolish thing to do. There isn’t any reason for him to have even been carrying the gun. I don’t get why someone like that would be a hero to anyone. He had enough money to pay professionals with carry permits to bodyguard him, he was also absolutely a massive human, did he really need an illegal firearm? Or did he do it to look cool and be hard? He was a good player for the Giants, probably could have been a lot better had that not happened. David Tyree made an amazing catch and he is everywhere nowadays. Plaxico was a much better player and did catch the SB winning TD, yet he isn’t seen to often. I doubt the Giants or media stations really want him around all that much. So whichever way you want to look at it, his decision/action to carry that gun in his sweatpants has defined his football life since the incident.
It's funny you mentioned Tyree  
TrueBlue56 : 5/18/2019 10:45 pm : link
Because on the good side. We all know him for his special teams prowess, but he will always be remembered and known for the helmet catch (and he really wasn't much of a wide receiver)
mattyblue  
RicosRoidedElbow : 5/18/2019 11:02 pm : link
So what does that saw about society or sports fans?

Are we jealous that they can do things we could never do and once they make a mistake, we're quick to trash them?

Good points.
RE: .....  
sb from NYT Forum : 5/18/2019 11:31 pm : link
In comment 14448306 Route 9 said:
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Russell Wilson gets a lot of shit too for that interception vs the Patriots ("shouldve ran it with Lynch") in the Super Bowl.

No matter how many amazing plays that guy can make, discussions always default back to that damn throw lol.


I think more people blame Pete Carroll for not having Lynch run it.
RE: mattyblue  
mattyblue : 5/18/2019 11:33 pm : link
In comment 14448453 RicosRoidedElbow said:
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So what does that saw about society or sports fans?

Are we jealous that they can do things we could never do and once they make a mistake, we're quick to trash them?

Good points.


In Plaxicos case, I don’t think it says anything about society. He was a super rich dude that acted like an asshole, knowingly committed a felony, and managed to make a fool of himself while doing so.

People like Norwood, Buckner, etc... made errors and missed a huge field goal, Plaxico decided to take the gun out and paid the price. It’s only because he is a former athlete that he is even mentioned again, probably also the reason for his sentence. I imagine and I hope you wouldn’t stick up for some Giant player that beats his wife, why waste your time sticking up for a guy who decided to put other humans in harms way? Am I willing to forgive him? Absolutely, he didn’t end up hurting anyone other than himself and the Giants that season. He is still an asshole for doing it.

I think you are looking too much as Plaxico as the victim of cruel and mean fans. He made all his money because of his ability and those fans. He played well for the Giants, but he also singlehandedly probably cost them one of the most promising seasons in Eli’s career. Plaxico goes into the category of Vick and other people that committed crimes, he doesn’t go into the bad moment on the field guys like a Buckner Norwood etc...
RE: Steve Sax  
sb from NYT Forum : 5/18/2019 11:38 pm : link
In comment 14448431 Nomad Crow on the Madison said:
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2nd baseman who lost the ability to throw to first.


Wasn't that Chuck Knobloch? Or the Yankees had two 2bmen that couldn't throw to 1b?
not a player  
madgiantscow009 : 5/19/2019 12:21 am : link
but steve bartman.

the brasilian team that lost 0-6 to the germans.

garo yepremian. Cam Newton superbowl fumble.

the umpire that ruined a perfect game Jim Joyce.
RE: Trey Junkins?  
jnoble : 5/19/2019 1:32 am : link
In comment 14448354 TheEvilLurker said:
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He was known as a great long snapper until the SF playoff game. Pretty mucn defined his career.


Grrrr.

Please don't bring this name up.

:-)
mattyblue,  
RicosRoidedElbow : 5/19/2019 2:56 am : link
Let's be honest now, your last response was pretty aimless and especially at that last part of "seeing Plaxico" at the victim. Face it, all of the players are rich and have more money than the average Joe. We get that, we are basically all on the same level in life as having less money than a pro athlete. Completely pointless to point that out and your whole mindset was just aimless as well in that response as well.

Why waste my time? Because he contributed to a New York Giants championship and he was my favorite Giant.

As I said, he only hurt himself. While stupid, it still doesn't erase the memory of the game winning catch against an 18-0 team.

The beating wife comparison was aimless as well. I know you just have that "Stick up for the other guy or go against the OP" mentality the internet has.
If you're a Giants fan  
RicosRoidedElbow : 5/19/2019 2:58 am : link
when that name comes up, you should be focused on the game winning Super Bowl touchdown when Plaxicos name comes up, the coin of his realm as a Giant. Not obsessing over the point where the shooting himself incident over rides his skills and what he did. Since no, no one was hurt. It's still about the game winner and it will always be, nothing gets cancelled out.
RE: not a player  
RicosRoidedElbow : 5/19/2019 3:01 am : link
In comment 14448482 madgiantscow009 said:
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the umpire that ruined a perfect game Jim Joyce.


If I was the pitcher, the manager, 3rd base coach bench player or someone else not important during this I would've broken Joyce's jaw over this.

Some lousy teammates that guy has had.
RE: mattyblue,  
mattyblue : 5/19/2019 5:11 am : link
In comment 14448504 RicosRoidedElbow said:
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Let's be honest now, your last response was pretty aimless and especially at that last part of "seeing Plaxico" at the victim. Face it, all of the players are rich and have more money than the average Joe. We get that, we are basically all on the same level in life as having less money than a pro athlete. Completely pointless to point that out and your whole mindset was just aimless as well in that response as well.

Why waste my time? Because he contributed to a New York Giants championship and he was my favorite Giant.

As I said, he only hurt himself. While stupid, it still doesn't erase the memory of the game winning catch against an 18-0 team.

The beating wife comparison was aimless as well. I know you just have that "Stick up for the other guy or go against the OP" mentality the internet has.


Respectfully, I have no idea what you are trying to say. I am not going against you or for you, as I am not arguing any point. However, if you think that all Giants fans have to think he is a hero because of his stint here and just forget about the shooting himself incident, I don’t know what to tell you. At no point was I attacking you, sticking up for the other guy, or anything of the sort. Post what you want, read what you want, think what you want. Good luck
Fred Merkle  
jeffusedtobeonwebtv : 5/19/2019 6:01 am : link
Once you get the nickname "Bonehead", it defines your career.
Mickey Owen of the Brooklyn Dodgers  
yalebowl : 5/19/2019 6:52 am : link
Top of the ninth inning in the fourth game of the 1941 World Series at Ebbets Field. Yankees versus the Dodgers. Two outs Dodgers winning 4-3. A win and the series is tied 2-2.

Mickey Owen was the catcher for the Dodgers. Tommy Henrich of the Yanks strikes out for the third out and the Dodgers win. But wait the pitch hits Owens glove and gets passed him as Henrich reaches first base. Yankees continue batting and take a 7-4 lead. Dodgers go down in the bottom of the ninth.

Yankees lead Series now 3-1. They win the next game to take the Series and the phrase “Wait till next year” is born.
Maradona (although it was probably intentional)  
Bill L : 5/19/2019 9:06 am : link
Weber’s time-out
RE: RE: Steve Sax  
markky : 5/19/2019 9:17 am : link
In comment 14448471 sb from NYT Forum said:
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In comment 14448431 Nomad Crow on the Madison said:


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2nd baseman who lost the ability to throw to first.



Wasn't that Chuck Knobloch? Or the Yankees had two 2bmen that couldn't throw to 1b?


Steve Sax. lost the ability to make ANY short throw. it was amazing to watch.
Wes Welker - missing that overthrown ball in the Superbowl  
markky : 5/19/2019 9:18 am : link
first one that popped into my mind though was Tony Romo and the snap
Dave and Dan the olympic decathaletes  
markky : 5/19/2019 9:19 am : link
Missing the pole vault distance.
Stupid thread...  
MarkT : 5/19/2019 9:41 am : link
Telling Giant fans they are not true fans if they don't see things the way you do. People remember the good and the bad. You telling them they are wrong, makes you a jerk. Same thing, every post you are on.
Roy Riegels  
Big Blue Blogger : 5/19/2019 10:40 am : link
The original “Wrong-Way”.

The most tragic example is Andres Escobar, who paid for a World Cup one goal with his life.
Own goal, that is.  
Big Blue Blogger : 5/19/2019 10:44 am : link
Sports fans around the world reflected briefly on the senseless tragedy of Escobar’s murder, then went right back to being @$$holes.
RE: If you're a Giants fan  
Klaatu : 5/19/2019 11:37 am : link
In comment 14448505 RicosRoidedElbow said:
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when that name comes up, you should be focused on the game winning Super Bowl touchdown when Plaxicos name comes up, the coin of his realm as a Giant. Not obsessing over the point where the shooting himself incident over rides his skills and what he did. Since no, no one was hurt. It's still about the game winner and it will always be, nothing gets cancelled out.


Wait, so I'm not supposed to be upset that Burress's stupid, careless, criminal behavior most likely cost the Giants the chance to win back-to-back Super Bowls? I'm just supposed to skip over that and think back to his catching the go-ahead TD pass in the Super Bowl the year before? Oh, and I'm supposed to take solace in the fact that by the grace of God this fool didn't hurt anyone else with his carelessness?

Sorry...not happening. Plax didn't go out like a champion - he went out like an idiot, and ultimately like a felon.
RE: RE: If you're a Giants fan  
GothamGiants : 5/19/2019 11:42 am : link
In comment 14448633 Klaatu said:
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In comment 14448505 RicosRoidedElbow said:


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when that name comes up, you should be focused on the game winning Super Bowl touchdown when Plaxicos name comes up, the coin of his realm as a Giant. Not obsessing over the point where the shooting himself incident over rides his skills and what he did. Since no, no one was hurt. It's still about the game winner and it will always be, nothing gets cancelled out.



Wait, so I'm not supposed to be upset that Burress's stupid, careless, criminal behavior most likely cost the Giants the chance to win back-to-back Super Bowls? I'm just supposed to skip over that and think back to his catching the go-ahead TD pass in the Super Bowl the year before? Oh, and I'm supposed to take solace in the fact that by the grace of God this fool didn't hurt anyone else with his carelessness?

Sorry...not happening. Plax didn't go out like a champion - he went out like an idiot, and ultimately like a felon.


My thoughts exactly. Plax is nowhere near a “hero” ... great talent who never fully lived up to his potential ... helping win a SB and likely costing us another pretty much sums up his career in a nutshell
Kletu  
RicosRoidedElbow : 5/19/2019 1:13 pm : link
And there you are.

Purposefully posting about the negatives, LETTING a negative thing outweigh the good thing a player, someone did. Holding your grudge.

You guys are men right?

And nope. No one got hurt. It's nothing to overlook, just stating a clear, simple, concise fact.

I guess it's just obvious that you're manipulated through words of the press. Maybe I was wrong about society's feedback.

I know what you are doing, though. Just fall in love with the OP and run away together?

But seriously, to not talk about anything he did as a Giant PLAYER (like co-workers) and only pivot to the one negative proves we just live in this world. That's what I'm trying to say to you.

It's also no guarantee the Giants win another Super Bowl with him. Plaxico was hurt and only had 35 catches that year.

Did you even see the game vs the eagles? The defensive line was spent. Eli stunk.

That's like saying you took everything away from me the night before my college graduation when I got busted for possession. I know I may not be perfect but I still graduated and found my way because I worked hard. Maybe you should get the facts and have an understanding about the places people come from.
RE: Kletu  
Klaatu : 5/19/2019 4:32 pm : link
In comment 14448735 RicosRoidedElbow said:
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And there you are.

Purposefully posting about the negatives, LETTING a negative thing outweigh the good thing a player, someone did. Holding your grudge.

You guys are men right?

And nope. No one got hurt. It's nothing to overlook, just stating a clear, simple, concise fact.

I guess it's just obvious that you're manipulated through words of the press. Maybe I was wrong about society's feedback.

I know what you are doing, though. Just fall in love with the OP and run away together?

But seriously, to not talk about anything he did as a Giant PLAYER (like co-workers) and only pivot to the one negative proves we just live in this world. That's what I'm trying to say to you.

It's also no guarantee the Giants win another Super Bowl with him. Plaxico was hurt and only had 35 catches that year.

Did you even see the game vs the eagles? The defensive line was spent. Eli stunk.

That's like saying you took everything away from me the night before my college graduation when I got busted for possession. I know I may not be perfect but I still graduated and found my way because I worked hard. Maybe you should get the facts and have an understanding about the places people come from.


Plax was an Eagle-killer. Without having to defend him, the Eagles were able to load up the box and sell out to stuff the run and pressure Eli. The WR's we had could not compensate for his absence. Perhaps if he had been there, the Giants could have gotten a few more first downs, a few more scores, and their defense wouldn't have gassed. And there was no reason for him NOT to be there other than his own stupidity. That's the only relevant fact. Make all the excuses you want for that dumbass, but don't try and sell them to me.

Other than that, I found the rest of your diatribe patently incoherent, eminently nonsensical, more than a little laughable and really not worthy of any further response. Good day.
The credit for the Super Bowl TD goes to Gilbride  
Go Terps : 5/19/2019 5:00 pm : link
He had that play loaded up for a blitz zero look, and Belichick gave it to him. That play was a touchdown before the ball was snapped.

Remember, Plax was a non-factor in that game because he "slipped in the shower" the night before and hurt his knee. What actually happened is anyone's guess.

And don't forget he also almost destroyed his Giants career before it started with another gun incident.

Guy was a huge asshole.
Chris Webber was the first to come to mind for me.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/19/2019 6:21 pm : link
He never lived down calling that TO in the '93 title game vs. UNC, though in his defense people were calling for TO from the bench.

Great player, but a man who I think was scarred after that. That dude played a mean hot potato in the pros come the spring.
RE: Kletu  
GothamGiants : 5/19/2019 7:32 pm : link
In comment 14448735 RicosRoidedElbow said:
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And there you are.

Purposefully posting about the negatives, LETTING a negative thing outweigh the good thing a player, someone did. Holding your grudge.

You guys are men right?

And nope. No one got hurt. It's nothing to overlook, just stating a clear, simple, concise fact.

I guess it's just obvious that you're manipulated through words of the press. Maybe I was wrong about society's feedback.

I know what you are doing, though. Just fall in love with the OP and run away together?

But seriously, to not talk about anything he did as a Giant PLAYER (like co-workers) and only pivot to the one negative proves we just live in this world. That's what I'm trying to say to you.

It's also no guarantee the Giants win another Super Bowl with him. Plaxico was hurt and only had 35 catches that year.

Did you even see the game vs the eagles? The defensive line was spent. Eli stunk.

That's like saying you took everything away from me the night before my college graduation when I got busted for possession. I know I may not be perfect but I still graduated and found my way because I worked hard. Maybe you should get the facts and have an understanding about the places people come from.


Read the article I’ve linked.

Here’s another one:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/deadspin.com/plaxico-burress-has-tardiness-issues-5057009/amp

And another one:

https://www.google.com/amp/www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/288424/ten-years-later-how-plaxico-burress-shooting-unraveled-nfls-best-team%3Fplatform%3Damp

Plax was a POS who never lived up to his true potential. He is nowhere near the “hero” you want to pretend he is.
Plaxico Burress - ( New Window )
Again  
RicosRoidedElbow : 5/19/2019 8:03 pm : link
Did he not perform well on the field as a Giant? Yes. Now it's, he doesn't deserve any credit for the Super Bowl GAME. WINNING. TOUCH. DOWN. against an 18-0 Patriots team that averaged 40 points a game?

POS? He shot himself. Not someone else, not his neighbor, not his friend. Being a POS is shooting your dog or reading about some punk kid who decides to punch his mother. Fine if you want to call him stupid, thats fine but POS? I think that is a bit too far.

To go after the earlier comment with Vick to to think that him and Vick are in the same sentence is absurd.

But again, I get your "focusing on the negative" (welcome to American culture), you guys are like leaches and cannot get over the dumb shooting story. Negative thinking. There are two doors: one that has a projector of the game winning touchdown and one has endless articles about the gun incident and you just care more about getting your fat thumbs so you can give your self-important opinion about someone (that I admit) did something absolutely stupid.

But it shouldn't override his success as a player with your favorite team.

My point here is (and I am actually surprised there are so many people who are this way) they cannot get off it and are proving my point exactly.

You all just want to sound as if you're a bunch of law experts and you like to salivate over the scandals and stuff, want to get your opinion in there. You are forgetting that I was talking about his play on the field, and then you guys say him not being there was the reason why they lost. HUH? So by that claim he was a great and was a hero (in terms of football).

As for the defense, they were getting worn out anyway by the end of the season. The telltale signs were present in the Carolina game. Jonathan Stewart had 4 touchdowns in that game!

Tuck got hurt and also Cofield was getting nicked up. The Giants were also down Osi and Strahan was not coming back.

The dude showed up and he had a good game against the Packers, and was he not injured that whole season? He had a good year as well. He didn't drop balls that were thrown to him like OBJ when the big lights were on.

Lol. Where was Gilbirde's genius game-plan when he called a draw vs Philly on 3rd and 13 in that same playoff game that Plaxico cost us?

So yeah Plax is a hero in terms of football because of Super Bowl 42. I know you're all so perfect and do not have any mugshots of yourself out there on the internet and yes let us all lump him in with OJ and Vick.
Marcin Gortat (Wizards) joining the Celtics Huddle  
FStubbs : 5/19/2019 8:44 pm : link
This was actually awesome.
It was pretty clever of him and they never realized it - ( New Window )
RE: The credit for the Super Bowl TD goes to Gilbride  
speedywheels : 5/19/2019 10:59 pm : link
In comment 14449022 Go Terps said:
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He had that play loaded up for a blitz zero look, and Belichick gave it to him. That play was a touchdown before the ball was snapped.

Remember, Plax was a non-factor in that game because he "slipped in the shower" the night before and hurt his knee. What actually happened is anyone's guess.

And don't forget he also almost destroyed his Giants career before it started with another gun incident.

Guy was a huge asshole.


Of course you take another shot at Plax. Totally fucking predictable.

You conveniently forget the clinic Plax put on in the GB game 2 weeks earlier. Without his performance, Giants get no where near that game vs NE.

But I suppose in your fucking warped mind, Eli gets ALL the credit for that.

You and your fucking narrative.
Nearly as predictable as you whining about my post  
Go Terps : 5/20/2019 1:07 am : link
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Haven’t read through, so might have been mentioned.  
Big Blue '56 : 5/20/2019 6:30 am : link
Mr. Yips, Chuck Knoblauch
"He should be a hero to you"  
rsjem1979 : 5/20/2019 9:39 am : link
Pump the brakes. There's a middle ground between that and focusing solely on the sweatpants/gun/club incident.

Plaxico Burress should be nobody's hero. You can acknowledge the on field feats you choose to acknowledge while also pointing out that he's was a complete idiot who endangered people's lives. The fact that he didn't happen to shoot anyone else is irrelevant.
Burress  
GothamGiants : 5/20/2019 3:43 pm : link
was a big part of why this team won SB42
Burress was also a big part of why this team didn’t repeat in SB43.

Burress’ career in a nutshell.

Not NFL  
Matt M. : 5/20/2019 3:54 pm : link
But, for many years Chriss Webber and the time-out.

Chuck Knoblauch got defined by 2 things: arguing the call at first base and not being able to throw from second any longer.
RE: RE: Trey Junkins?  
TheEvilLurker : 5/20/2019 4:19 pm : link
In comment 14448496 jnoble said:
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In comment 14448354 TheEvilLurker said:


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He was known as a great long snapper until the SF playoff game. Pretty mucn defined his career.



Grrrr.

Please don't bring this name up.

:-)

I'll add him to a list as T*** J******* along with R** H****** and M*A***
RE: Burress  
RicosRoidedElbow : 5/20/2019 7:22 pm : link
In comment 14450111 GothamGiants said:
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was a big part of why this team won SB42
Burress was also a big part of why this team didn’t repeat in SB43.

Burress’ career in a nutshell.


I'm pretty much done with this discussion but if you're saying him being off the team after the shooting cost them a Super Bowl trip, where would they have been in the season without him? He did help compile all those wins, if they looked like the team that played Philly, Dallas, Minnesota and Philly again in the playoffs, doubt they would've been 11-1.

I get that everyone is pissed at him but he did make us better. Strahan/Osi being gone didn't do much and Tuck was nicked up, If I remember correct.
RE: The credit for the Super Bowl TD goes to Gilbride  
crick n NC : 5/20/2019 7:32 pm : link
In comment 14449022 Go Terps said:
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He had that play loaded up for a blitz zero look, and Belichick gave it to him. That play was a touchdown before the ball was snapped.

Remember, Plax was a non-factor in that game because he "slipped in the shower" the night before and hurt his knee. What actually happened is anyone's guess.

And don't forget he also almost destroyed his Giants career before it started with another gun incident.

Guy was a huge asshole.


Just an FYI
Rodney Harrison claims Seau called the zero blitz. Harrison said he tried to persuade Seau into backing off. No real point here, just an fyi.
Joe Pisarcik  
jpkmets : 5/20/2019 8:05 pm : link
Now, granted his entire career was a laundry list of mistakes -- but that one botched handoff will always define him.
Burress was a machine in the 2007 NFC Championship  
justafan : 5/21/2019 12:19 am : link
Al Harris still has nightmares, I'm sure of it. Catches game winning Super Bowl pass. Loved him when I used to play Madden online when everyone was playing the Pats or Colts in 2006-2008. Play action all day.
RE: mattyblue  
Gatorade Dunk : 5/21/2019 6:59 am : link
In comment 14448453 RicosRoidedElbow said:
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So what does that saw about society or sports fans?

Are we jealous that they can do things we could never do and once they make a mistake, we're quick to trash them?

Good points.

I think it depends on the mistake. If they were caught ripping off grandma and grandpa like you and your family were, we can continue to trash them on here every time they come back with a new handle, like the pathetic nutjobs that they are.

Does that answer your question?
Troll is  
JonC : 5/21/2019 7:47 am : link
a troll.
Gatorade Dunk at 6:59 AM  
RicosRoidedElbow : 5/21/2019 4:14 pm : link
Making absolutely no sense, none. One of the only things I will award you is that your post was in English.

You would think someone would be out getting their favorite newsletter, getting a bagel and coffee or watching the NFL Network but - nope - you are thinking of me at 7 in the morning, being a weirdo and saying absurd garbage.

Put it this way, I'm a huge fan of Plaxico's. I might be a big fan of his but I will try put it in a way for you to understand. The same passion for Plax might similar to the way you feel about OBJ's dressing style. It's not as important as rushing to the front lines to defend Odell wearing a dress on a message board against middle aged men who wear "cargo shorts" (big deal?) or whatever other contemporary fat man styles you curl your lip at... but keep lets keep that same energy, though.
A-Rod and Plax are not defined by the bad.  
Mike in Long Beach : 5/21/2019 4:31 pm : link
They both won. There's a body of work at place for both of them at this point, for better or worse, but both climbed the mountain top, so neither are defined by their failures. Your friend just sounds like an idiot. I even know people who think of Mo Rivera as the guy who blew Game 7 of the world series. These people are just trolls and not the ones who will ultimately be passing down the history that'll stick.

But there are players who are defined by their failures like you said. Most of the responses covered the guys I think of. I keep thinking I have one and I look to see it's already covered. Sanchez does come to mind as another poster said for the butt fumble. Bill Buckner, Leon Lett, Chris Weber and Scott Norwood already covered.

I think to a degree Patrick Ewing's and Henrik Lundqvist as guys who never could win the big one (though Hank still has some time), but they also don't have that defining awful moment, at least Hank doesn't. Ewing has the missed layup.
Charles Smith  
Del Shofner : 5/21/2019 4:42 pm : link
- expected to see him somewhere in here.
RE: A-Rod and Plax are not defined by the bad.  
Route 9 : 5/21/2019 4:52 pm : link
In comment 14451361 Mike in Long Beach said:
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They both won. There's a body of work at place for both of them at this point, for better or worse, but both climbed the mountain top, so neither are defined by their failures. Your friend just sounds like an idiot. I even know people who think of Mo Rivera as the guy who blew Game 7 of the world series. These people are just trolls and not the ones who will ultimately be passing down the history that'll stick.

But there are players who are defined by their failures like you said. Most of the responses covered the guys I think of. I keep thinking I have one and I look to see it's already covered. Sanchez does come to mind as another poster said for the butt fumble. Bill Buckner, Leon Lett, Chris Weber and Scott Norwood already covered.

I think to a degree Patrick Ewing's and Henrik Lundqvist as guys who never could win the big one (though Hank still has some time), but they also don't have that defining awful moment, at least Hank doesn't. Ewing has the missed layup.


Good post.

Fine, the Kings were the better team in 2014. It seemed as if there was no fucking hole that team couldn't climb out of. LA even fell down 0-3 to the Sharks in the first round.

2015, I thought the Rangers surprise me and prove me wrong and win the whole thing. Nope. 2 dud no goal games on home ice, vs Tampa Bay.

I really, REALLY wanted to see how the Rangers would do against Chicago that year. Second most disappointing matchup I didnt get to see in my years watching sports. First place goes the Giants in 2002 vs Philly. I really, REALLY felt in my soul the Giants could beat those fucks. McNabb was injured, only problem was that Tampa Bay was still out there but some coach and team couldn't handle a 38-14 lead vs the 49ers, way worse than Desean Jackson.

So well never know...
Greg Norman  
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Choking at the Masters.

RE: Gatorade Dunk at 6:59 AM  
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In comment 14451345 RicosRoidedElbow said:
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Making absolutely no sense, none. One of the only things I will award you is that your post was in English.

You would think someone would be out getting their favorite newsletter, getting a bagel and coffee or watching the NFL Network but - nope - you are thinking of me at 7 in the morning, being a weirdo and saying absurd garbage.

Put it this way, I'm a huge fan of Plaxico's. I might be a big fan of his but I will try put it in a way for you to understand. The same passion for Plax might similar to the way you feel about OBJ's dressing style. It's not as important as rushing to the front lines to defend Odell wearing a dress on a message board against middle aged men who wear "cargo shorts" (big deal?) or whatever other contemporary fat man styles you curl your lip at... but keep lets keep that same energy, though.

Don't worry sunshine, your time here is almost done.

Enjoy your favorite newsletter and expired bread.
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