Tyrion is hand of the king, and he kills Greyworm.
Sansa lady of winterfell and ward of the North.
Bran doesn't become the NK, NK is dead (and only a show creation I believe), Bran becomes the 3-eyed Raven intertwined with a weirwood tree near Winterfell.
Brienne kills Bronn. Maybe a Tormund Giantsbane appearance either giving his life to save Brienne or winding up banging her.
Tyrion is hand of the king, and he kills Greyworm.
Sansa lady of winterfell and ward of the North.
Bran doesn't become the NK, NK is dead (and only a show creation I believe), Bran becomes the 3-eyed Raven intertwined with a weirwood tree near Winterfell.
Brienne kills Bronn. Maybe a Tormund Giantsbane appearance either giving his life to save Brienne or winding up banging her.
I did not Know the NK was not in the books.
Interesting. But then I will Change it to Bran somehow creating/ressurecting the NK to kill Dany. He saw the creationof the NK in a vision. (At leastin the show)
Tyrion is hand of the king, and he kills Greyworm.
Sansa lady of winterfell and ward of the North.
Bran doesn't become the NK, NK is dead (and only a show creation I believe), Bran becomes the 3-eyed Raven intertwined with a weirwood tree near Winterfell.
Brienne kills Bronn. Maybe a Tormund Giantsbane appearance either giving his life to save Brienne or winding up banging her.
I did not Know the NK was not in the books.
Interesting. But then I will Change it to Bran somehow creating/ressurecting the NK to kill Dany. He saw the creationof the NK in a vision. (At leastin the show)
The NK in theory could be introduced in Winds of Winter or Dream of Spring. But there is already a book character called the Night's King that is different from the Night King, so I doubt it.
Has been even more of a joke than last season, only saved by the emotional attachment to the characters and some exceptional performances from some of the actors, such as Peter Dinklage, Nikolaj Coster-Waldau, Emilia Clarke, Lena Headey, Maisie Williams, and Conleth Hill.
And someone please tell me how Daenerys had a fuckton of Unsullied and Dothraki with which to storm Kings Landing with after the Battle of Winterfell? Winterfell was completely overwhelmed and overrun at the point that Arya killed the Night King. Everyone should have been dead save for a few holdouts. The show would've had a ton more credibility had the writers not basically just re-spawned an entire army for Daenerys like a video game. And it's silly that Lady Morning is not going to be able to kill a giant after having her bones and organs crushed. She's dead instantly, come on. I know that is more of a nitpick, but the reason this show was so great was because nobody was safe. No conveniently happy ending because the audience likes the character. Ned Stark's death set the tone, and the Red Wedding, as gut-wrenching and brutal a scene that it was, perhaps the most gut-wrenching and brutal scene in TV history, made the show great. And now you have miracle journeys to save the day from Dragonstone to North of the Wall, you have armies re-spawning and a little girl who was crushed kill a giant.
This show could've been the best show ever, and it's going out rushed, with lazy writing that has been a disservice to the first five seasons of great storytelling.
Has been even more of a joke than last season, only saved by the emotional attachment to the characters and some exceptional performances from some of the actors, such as Peter Dinklage, Nikolaj Coster-Waldau, Emilia Clarke, Lena Headey, Maisie Williams, and Conleth Hill.
And someone please tell me how Daenerys had a fuckton of Unsullied and Dothraki with which to storm Kings Landing with after the Battle of Winterfell? Winterfell was completely overwhelmed and overrun at the point that Arya killed the Night King. Everyone should have been dead save for a few holdouts. The show would've had a ton more credibility had the writers not basically just re-spawned an entire army for Daenerys like a video game. And it's silly that Lady Morning is not going to be able to kill a giant after having her bones and organs crushed. She's dead instantly, come on. I know that is more of a nitpick, but the reason this show was so great was because nobody was safe. No conveniently happy ending because the audience likes the character. Ned Stark's death set the tone, and the Red Wedding, as gut-wrenching and brutal a scene that it was, perhaps the most gut-wrenching and brutal scene in TV history, made the show great. And now you have miracle journeys to save the day from Dragonstone to North of the Wall, you have armies re-spawning and a little girl who was crushed kill a giant.
This show could've been the best show ever, and it's going out rushed, with lazy writing that has been a disservice to the first five seasons of great storytelling.
The series is incredibly expensive to produce. That is why HBO is just rushing through it. Apparently it costs $15 million each episode to produce and the last episode probably ran over $30 million cause of the CGI. They can't make that back in ticket sales.
The alternative would have been a Lord of the Rings 3 part movie where you would have had to cut 75% of the books out and change a ton of stuff to get the entire story into 9 hours. People complain now about book stuff missing so imagine that.
Has been even more of a joke than last season, only saved by the emotional attachment to the characters and some exceptional performances from some of the actors, such as Peter Dinklage, Nikolaj Coster-Waldau, Emilia Clarke, Lena Headey, Maisie Williams, and Conleth Hill.
And someone please tell me how Daenerys had a fuckton of Unsullied and Dothraki with which to storm Kings Landing with after the Battle of Winterfell? Winterfell was completely overwhelmed and overrun at the point that Arya killed the Night King. Everyone should have been dead save for a few holdouts. The show would've had a ton more credibility had the writers not basically just re-spawned an entire army for Daenerys like a video game. And it's silly that Lady Morning is not going to be able to kill a giant after having her bones and organs crushed. She's dead instantly, come on. I know that is more of a nitpick, but the reason this show was so great was because nobody was safe. No conveniently happy ending because the audience likes the character. Ned Stark's death set the tone, and the Red Wedding, as gut-wrenching and brutal a scene that it was, perhaps the most gut-wrenching and brutal scene in TV history, made the show great. And now you have miracle journeys to save the day from Dragonstone to North of the Wall, you have armies re-spawning and a little girl who was crushed kill a giant.
This show could've been the best show ever, and it's going out rushed, with lazy writing that has been a disservice to the first five seasons of great storytelling.
The series is incredibly expensive to produce. That is why HBO is just rushing through it. Apparently it costs $15 million each episode to produce and the last episode probably ran over $30 million cause of the CGI. They can't make that back in ticket sales.
The alternative would have been a Lord of the Rings 3 part movie where you would have had to cut 75% of the books out and change a ton of stuff to get the entire story into 9 hours. People complain now about book stuff missing so imagine that.
The show is a cash cow. Let's not make excuses for Benioff and Weiss.
Maybe? Could be? I don't have a fooking clue!
I do think that Arya is dead and she is now a ghost. That was my 1st reaction when she got up and saw the white horse. Don't know if my half baked theory has been discussed on BBI or on the 'net.
I am going to miss this show!!!
Maybe? Could be? I don't have a fooking clue!
I do think that Arya is dead and she is now a ghost. That was my 1st reaction when she got up and saw the white horse. Don't know if my half baked theory has been discussed on BBI or on the 'net.
I am going to miss this show!!!
Gonna be disappointing if Arya doesn’t pull a Faceless Men and put on the face of someone else.
Maybe? Could be? I don't have a fooking clue!
I do think that Arya is dead and she is now a ghost. That was my 1st reaction when she got up and saw the white horse. Don't know if my half baked theory has been discussed on BBI or on the 'net.
I am going to miss this show!!!
Gonna be disappointing if Arya doesn’t pull a Faceless Men and put on the face of someone else.
Yes, Arya learned all these crazy skills in the House of Black and White and has basically only used them to kill Walder Frey. Another failure of the writers.
Has been even more of a joke than last season, only saved by the emotional attachment to the characters and some exceptional performances from some of the actors, such as Peter Dinklage, Nikolaj Coster-Waldau, Emilia Clarke, Lena Headey, Maisie Williams, and Conleth Hill.
And someone please tell me how Daenerys had a fuckton of Unsullied and Dothraki with which to storm Kings Landing with after the Battle of Winterfell? Winterfell was completely overwhelmed and overrun at the point that Arya killed the Night King. Everyone should have been dead save for a few holdouts. The show would've had a ton more credibility had the writers not basically just re-spawned an entire army for Daenerys like a video game. And it's silly that Lady Morning is not going to be able to kill a giant after having her bones and organs crushed. She's dead instantly, come on. I know that is more of a nitpick, but the reason this show was so great was because nobody was safe. No conveniently happy ending because the audience likes the character. Ned Stark's death set the tone, and the Red Wedding, as gut-wrenching and brutal a scene that it was, perhaps the most gut-wrenching and brutal scene in TV history, made the show great. And now you have miracle journeys to save the day from Dragonstone to North of the Wall, you have armies re-spawning and a little girl who was crushed kill a giant.
This show could've been the best show ever, and it's going out rushed, with lazy writing that has been a disservice to the first five seasons of great storytelling.
The series is incredibly expensive to produce. That is why HBO is just rushing through it. Apparently it costs $15 million each episode to produce and the last episode probably ran over $30 million cause of the CGI. They can't make that back in ticket sales.
The alternative would have been a Lord of the Rings 3 part movie where you would have had to cut 75% of the books out and change a ton of stuff to get the entire story into 9 hours. People complain now about book stuff missing so imagine that.
Personally I am enjoying it but I understand what the criticism is. But with that said the one thing that I will criticize is that HBO went to them and offered the time and money to make this a full season even with extended episodes and D&D refused which tells me they were ready to be done with it and move on to the next Star Wars trilogy
Personally I am enjoying it but I understand what the criticism is. But with that said the one thing that I will criticize is that HBO went to them and offered the time and money to make this a full season even with extended episodes and D&D refused which tells me they were ready to be done with it and move on to the next Star Wars trilogy
Agreed. I think these last 2 years were a big writing challenge for them getting so far beyond the source material and they just wanted to end it as simply as they could. S6 was beyond the source material, but all the starting points were setup. Over the normal 10 episodes each major thing that happened got it's own episode and room to breathe. Not everything was perfect, but most of it was well done (the door, sansa/jon, etc) and some of it excellent (finale).
S7 was a contrived plot rush to setup S8 in a certain way, and now S8 has been a sprint to wrap up 10-20 characters plots 7+ years in development. Some worked, far more didn't due to rushed sloppiness - which as you mentioned was their choice. There would have been risks extending it to more episodes also, like dragging things out too much, but at this point it's hard to argue they made the right choice. I think splitting up the 2 major plot resolutions north/south over 2 separate seasons may have been better. S7 could have easily been entirely focused on resolving the white walker storyline, kept Cersei in the south trying to find a way to strengthen her armies, and then let S8 focus on the entire march south.
RE: Petition to redo Season 8 now at 1 million signatures Â
They need a redo on both 7 & 8. S7 should have been all about Jon convincing Dany to go North and concluding with the battle of winterfell and their forces weakened as Cersei built up her forces in the south. Then s8 could have entirely focused on the battle for KL and the political maneuvering in westeros.
Just read the finale length was changed twice recently Â
First four minutes removed then seven minutes added plus Kit Harington had to miss a charity event for a meeting with the writers and I think HBO. Could of been planned all along to throw off leakers but who knows at this point
On BBI, I was one of the original people who said this season has been subpar, but I feel strongly that people are now overreacting. The epitome of this is the petition to have HBO produce season 8 all over again. (Don't get me started on the over-inflated, narcissistic mentality of the social media warrior who thinks his/her opinion means a damn thing).
Last week was excellent and if they finish with a bittersweet ending tonight, all is well.
On BBI, I was one of the original people who said this season has been subpar, but I feel strongly that people are now overreacting. The epitome of this is the petition to have HBO produce season 8 all over again. (Don't get me started on the over-inflated, narcissistic mentality of the social media warrior who thinks his/her opinion means a damn thing).
Last week was excellent and if they finish with a bittersweet ending tonight, all is well.
2 thoughts -
1) I don't think anyone actually signs petitions expecting anything to happen. I'd venture to guess 99% of people who signed it think it's a joke.
2) the bolded part above is more than little pot calling the kettle black considering all of us here have been inflicted with the same silly notion that our opinions matter about a host of things for 20 years now. It's kind of the entire premise of a message board, which is basically just longer form social media.
And I don't think it is a joke. Have you seen the online reaction videos of people actually breaking down and crying or acting like someone just shot their dog?
How many parents have named their babies after Daenerys?
We're talking about people who are having a hard time separating fictional entertainment with reality.
And I don't think it is a joke. Have you seen the online reaction videos of people actually breaking down and crying or acting like someone just shot their dog?
How many parents have named their babies after Daenerys?
We're talking about people who are having a hard time separating fictional entertainment with reality.
Did you see the videos after Daniel Jones was drafted? Have you seen the videos of that 50 something year old giants fan Vic ranting and raving over the past several years? Have you seen sports fans literally pay money to fly planes with banners or buy billboard space to get coaches fired? Is that behavior really all that different just because the subject in question is a different genre of entertainment?
On BBI, I was one of the original people who said this season has been subpar, but I feel strongly that people are now overreacting. The epitome of this is the petition to have HBO produce season 8 all over again. (Don't get me started on the over-inflated, narcissistic mentality of the social media warrior who thinks his/her opinion means a damn thing).
Last week was excellent and if they finish with a bittersweet ending tonight, all is well.
2 thoughts -
1) I don't think anyone actually signs petitions expecting anything to happen. I'd venture to guess 99% of people who signed it think it's a joke.
2) the bolded part above is more than little pot calling the kettle black considering all of us here have been inflicted with the same silly notion that our opinions matter about a host of things for 20 years now. It's kind of the entire premise of a message board, which is basically just longer form social media.
I don't use BBI thinking/hoping that the Giants give a rat's ass what I think. I come here to discuss football and other non-football topics with Giants fans I have come to know (digitally) over the years. I think it's a pretty big difference.
storyline wise. I think most people who are upset and want the whole season redone are Dany fans who hated seeing their beloved queen essentially turn to the dark side. But if you're upset by that, you haven't been paying attention to the story from the beginning or you're just upset that a strong woman isn't finishing on top. The real issue for me is how rushed everything feels in this season. There's no way they can conclude everything in tonight's episode and make it feel right, no matter what happens. Everything needs more time - what Jon is going to do, how everyone settles in after the fact of whatever happens, setting up what characters might do in the future after this, etc.
It really feels like last weeks episode should've been a season finale and that there should be one more season. To know they're going to squeeze a bunch of character's outcomes into 80 minutes feels ridiculous. I've been watching from the very beginning so I'm excited for the episode but at the same time, there's a little bit of dread knowing there's almost zero chance they can do this justice with how rushed it is. I don't mind their writing that much, some of the decisions are stupid, but the real issue with Benioff and Weiss is them trying to fit everything into one season when they needed at least two more. It just shows terrible foresight from them that they didn't see this reaction coming and that they thought they could pull it off after having so many people get invested in their show for so long. It deserved a little more time. But oh well. Here we are. Let's see how they finish it.
Yes, people have too much time on their hands. But the complaints, petitions, etc. aren't just the result of some snowflake revolution. The writing has been bad for a few years now and any hope of pulling out of the nosedive is gone. My expectations have been low for a while now, but I think the reality is setting in now for many.
Breaking Bad lived in the internet age, and while not everyone was completely satisfied with the end, there wasn't a giant petition to reshoot anything. I don't think most of those million signers really expect a reshoot of season 8.
They're voicing their displeasure. To write off their opinions as some sign of the times is excuse making for what used to be a pretty tightly written show in my opinion.
Yes, people have too much time on their hands. But the complaints, petitions, etc. aren't just the result of some snowflake revolution. The writing has been bad for a few years now and any hope of pulling out of the nosedive is gone. My expectations have been low for a while now, but I think the reality is setting in now for many.
Breaking Bad lived in the internet age, and while not everyone was completely satisfied with the end, there wasn't a giant petition to reshoot anything. I don't think most of those million signers really expect a reshoot of season 8.
They're voicing their displeasure. To write off their opinions as some sign of the times is excuse making for what used to be a pretty tightly written show in my opinion.
I'm hear for your outrage over the outrage over the outrage.
Jokes aside, parts of it do feel a little rushed, but I've thoroughly enjoyed it. (Euron sucks, was anyone even remotely afraid of that guy?)
They need a redo on both 7 & 8. S7 should have been all about Jon convincing Dany to go North and concluding with the battle of winterfell and their forces weakened as Cersei built up her forces in the south. Then s8 could have entirely focused on the battle for KL and the political maneuvering in westeros.
That would have been more sensible.
Jon kills Dany. (Arya a possibility with that face things she does) Â
Has been even more of a joke than last season, only saved by the emotional attachment to the characters and some exceptional performances from some of the actors, such as Peter Dinklage, Nikolaj Coster-Waldau, Emilia Clarke, Lena Headey, Maisie Williams, and Conleth Hill.
And someone please tell me how Daenerys had a fuckton of Unsullied and Dothraki with which to storm Kings Landing with after the Battle of Winterfell? Winterfell was completely overwhelmed and overrun at the point that Arya killed the Night King. Everyone should have been dead save for a few holdouts. The show would've had a ton more credibility had the writers not basically just re-spawned an entire army for Daenerys like a video game. And it's silly that Lady Morning is not going to be able to kill a giant after having her bones and organs crushed. She's dead instantly, come on. I know that is more of a nitpick, but the reason this show was so great was because nobody was safe. No conveniently happy ending because the audience likes the character. Ned Stark's death set the tone, and the Red Wedding, as gut-wrenching and brutal a scene that it was, perhaps the most gut-wrenching and brutal scene in TV history, made the show great. And now you have miracle journeys to save the day from Dragonstone to North of the Wall, you have armies re-spawning and a little girl who was crushed kill a giant.
This show could've been the best show ever, and it's going out rushed, with lazy writing that has been a disservice to the first five seasons of great storytelling.
Couldn’t agree more.
This season has sucked. First 2 episodes could’ve been 1 episode, the battle goes from epic to “let’s have Arya come out of nowhere and end 7 seasons of impending doom in 5 seconds” ... The Lannister storyline, especially Jamie, was awful ...
The cgi on the dragons has been beautiful. I’ve pretty much hated everything about this season otherwise, so formulaic and predictable at times. Amazing how bad the writing gets once the book’s author is doing the work for them.
Arya dies trying to stop him.
Sansa and Tyrion escape.
Jon takes the throne reluctantly.
Jon dies killing Dany and Drogon.
Tyrion is hand of the king, and he kills Greyworm.
Sansa lady of winterfell and ward of the North.
Bran doesn't become the NK, NK is dead (and only a show creation I believe), Bran becomes the 3-eyed Raven intertwined with a weirwood tree near Winterfell.
Brienne kills Bronn. Maybe a Tormund Giantsbane appearance either giving his life to save Brienne or winding up banging her.
I'm hoping they have arya kill Dany in Jon Snow's face and Sansa ends up on the throne with Tyrion being her number 2
Jon dies killing Dany and Drogon.
Tyrion is hand of the king, and he kills Greyworm.
Sansa lady of winterfell and ward of the North.
Bran doesn't become the NK, NK is dead (and only a show creation I believe), Bran becomes the 3-eyed Raven intertwined with a weirwood tree near Winterfell.
Brienne kills Bronn. Maybe a Tormund Giantsbane appearance either giving his life to save Brienne or winding up banging her.
I did not Know the NK was not in the books.
Interesting. But then I will Change it to Bran somehow creating/ressurecting the NK to kill Dany. He saw the creationof the NK in a vision. (At leastin the show)
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Gendry and Arya on the throne.
Jon dies killing Dany and Drogon.
Tyrion is hand of the king, and he kills Greyworm.
Sansa lady of winterfell and ward of the North.
Bran doesn't become the NK, NK is dead (and only a show creation I believe), Bran becomes the 3-eyed Raven intertwined with a weirwood tree near Winterfell.
Brienne kills Bronn. Maybe a Tormund Giantsbane appearance either giving his life to save Brienne or winding up banging her.
I did not Know the NK was not in the books.
Interesting. But then I will Change it to Bran somehow creating/ressurecting the NK to kill Dany. He saw the creationof the NK in a vision. (At leastin the show)
The NK in theory could be introduced in Winds of Winter or Dream of Spring. But there is already a book character called the Night's King that is different from the Night King, so I doubt it.
but your ending is of course possible.
Expectations subverted, bitches!
And someone please tell me how Daenerys had a fuckton of Unsullied and Dothraki with which to storm Kings Landing with after the Battle of Winterfell? Winterfell was completely overwhelmed and overrun at the point that Arya killed the Night King. Everyone should have been dead save for a few holdouts. The show would've had a ton more credibility had the writers not basically just re-spawned an entire army for Daenerys like a video game. And it's silly that Lady Morning is not going to be able to kill a giant after having her bones and organs crushed. She's dead instantly, come on. I know that is more of a nitpick, but the reason this show was so great was because nobody was safe. No conveniently happy ending because the audience likes the character. Ned Stark's death set the tone, and the Red Wedding, as gut-wrenching and brutal a scene that it was, perhaps the most gut-wrenching and brutal scene in TV history, made the show great. And now you have miracle journeys to save the day from Dragonstone to North of the Wall, you have armies re-spawning and a little girl who was crushed kill a giant.
This show could've been the best show ever, and it's going out rushed, with lazy writing that has been a disservice to the first five seasons of great storytelling.
And someone please tell me how Daenerys had a fuckton of Unsullied and Dothraki with which to storm Kings Landing with after the Battle of Winterfell? Winterfell was completely overwhelmed and overrun at the point that Arya killed the Night King. Everyone should have been dead save for a few holdouts. The show would've had a ton more credibility had the writers not basically just re-spawned an entire army for Daenerys like a video game. And it's silly that Lady Morning is not going to be able to kill a giant after having her bones and organs crushed. She's dead instantly, come on. I know that is more of a nitpick, but the reason this show was so great was because nobody was safe. No conveniently happy ending because the audience likes the character. Ned Stark's death set the tone, and the Red Wedding, as gut-wrenching and brutal a scene that it was, perhaps the most gut-wrenching and brutal scene in TV history, made the show great. And now you have miracle journeys to save the day from Dragonstone to North of the Wall, you have armies re-spawning and a little girl who was crushed kill a giant.
This show could've been the best show ever, and it's going out rushed, with lazy writing that has been a disservice to the first five seasons of great storytelling.
The series is incredibly expensive to produce. That is why HBO is just rushing through it. Apparently it costs $15 million each episode to produce and the last episode probably ran over $30 million cause of the CGI. They can't make that back in ticket sales.
The alternative would have been a Lord of the Rings 3 part movie where you would have had to cut 75% of the books out and change a ton of stuff to get the entire story into 9 hours. People complain now about book stuff missing so imagine that.
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Has been even more of a joke than last season, only saved by the emotional attachment to the characters and some exceptional performances from some of the actors, such as Peter Dinklage, Nikolaj Coster-Waldau, Emilia Clarke, Lena Headey, Maisie Williams, and Conleth Hill.
And someone please tell me how Daenerys had a fuckton of Unsullied and Dothraki with which to storm Kings Landing with after the Battle of Winterfell? Winterfell was completely overwhelmed and overrun at the point that Arya killed the Night King. Everyone should have been dead save for a few holdouts. The show would've had a ton more credibility had the writers not basically just re-spawned an entire army for Daenerys like a video game. And it's silly that Lady Morning is not going to be able to kill a giant after having her bones and organs crushed. She's dead instantly, come on. I know that is more of a nitpick, but the reason this show was so great was because nobody was safe. No conveniently happy ending because the audience likes the character. Ned Stark's death set the tone, and the Red Wedding, as gut-wrenching and brutal a scene that it was, perhaps the most gut-wrenching and brutal scene in TV history, made the show great. And now you have miracle journeys to save the day from Dragonstone to North of the Wall, you have armies re-spawning and a little girl who was crushed kill a giant.
This show could've been the best show ever, and it's going out rushed, with lazy writing that has been a disservice to the first five seasons of great storytelling.
The series is incredibly expensive to produce. That is why HBO is just rushing through it. Apparently it costs $15 million each episode to produce and the last episode probably ran over $30 million cause of the CGI. They can't make that back in ticket sales.
The alternative would have been a Lord of the Rings 3 part movie where you would have had to cut 75% of the books out and change a ton of stuff to get the entire story into 9 hours. People complain now about book stuff missing so imagine that.
The show is a cash cow. Let's not make excuses for Benioff and Weiss.
I do think that Arya is dead and she is now a ghost. That was my 1st reaction when she got up and saw the white horse. Don't know if my half baked theory has been discussed on BBI or on the 'net.
I am going to miss this show!!!
I do think that Arya is dead and she is now a ghost. That was my 1st reaction when she got up and saw the white horse. Don't know if my half baked theory has been discussed on BBI or on the 'net.
I am going to miss this show!!!
Gonna be disappointing if Arya doesn’t pull a Faceless Men and put on the face of someone else.
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Maybe? Could be? I don't have a fooking clue!
I do think that Arya is dead and she is now a ghost. That was my 1st reaction when she got up and saw the white horse. Don't know if my half baked theory has been discussed on BBI or on the 'net.
I am going to miss this show!!!
Gonna be disappointing if Arya doesn’t pull a Faceless Men and put on the face of someone else.
Yes, Arya learned all these crazy skills in the House of Black and White and has basically only used them to kill Walder Frey. Another failure of the writers.
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Has been even more of a joke than last season, only saved by the emotional attachment to the characters and some exceptional performances from some of the actors, such as Peter Dinklage, Nikolaj Coster-Waldau, Emilia Clarke, Lena Headey, Maisie Williams, and Conleth Hill.
And someone please tell me how Daenerys had a fuckton of Unsullied and Dothraki with which to storm Kings Landing with after the Battle of Winterfell? Winterfell was completely overwhelmed and overrun at the point that Arya killed the Night King. Everyone should have been dead save for a few holdouts. The show would've had a ton more credibility had the writers not basically just re-spawned an entire army for Daenerys like a video game. And it's silly that Lady Morning is not going to be able to kill a giant after having her bones and organs crushed. She's dead instantly, come on. I know that is more of a nitpick, but the reason this show was so great was because nobody was safe. No conveniently happy ending because the audience likes the character. Ned Stark's death set the tone, and the Red Wedding, as gut-wrenching and brutal a scene that it was, perhaps the most gut-wrenching and brutal scene in TV history, made the show great. And now you have miracle journeys to save the day from Dragonstone to North of the Wall, you have armies re-spawning and a little girl who was crushed kill a giant.
This show could've been the best show ever, and it's going out rushed, with lazy writing that has been a disservice to the first five seasons of great storytelling.
The series is incredibly expensive to produce. That is why HBO is just rushing through it. Apparently it costs $15 million each episode to produce and the last episode probably ran over $30 million cause of the CGI. They can't make that back in ticket sales.
The alternative would have been a Lord of the Rings 3 part movie where you would have had to cut 75% of the books out and change a ton of stuff to get the entire story into 9 hours. People complain now about book stuff missing so imagine that.
Personally I am enjoying it but I understand what the criticism is. But with that said the one thing that I will criticize is that HBO went to them and offered the time and money to make this a full season even with extended episodes and D&D refused which tells me they were ready to be done with it and move on to the next Star Wars trilogy
Way to spoil it for people who don’t want to know jackass
I'm hoping they have arya kill Dany in Jon Snow's face and Sansa ends up on the throne with Tyrion being her number 2
Wouldn’t Jon have to be dead for Arya to use his face ???
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Personally I am enjoying it but I understand what the criticism is. But with that said the one thing that I will criticize is that HBO went to them and offered the time and money to make this a full season even with extended episodes and D&D refused which tells me they were ready to be done with it and move on to the next Star Wars trilogy
Agreed. I think these last 2 years were a big writing challenge for them getting so far beyond the source material and they just wanted to end it as simply as they could. S6 was beyond the source material, but all the starting points were setup. Over the normal 10 episodes each major thing that happened got it's own episode and room to breathe. Not everything was perfect, but most of it was well done (the door, sansa/jon, etc) and some of it excellent (finale).
S7 was a contrived plot rush to setup S8 in a certain way, and now S8 has been a sprint to wrap up 10-20 characters plots 7+ years in development. Some worked, far more didn't due to rushed sloppiness - which as you mentioned was their choice. There would have been risks extending it to more episodes also, like dragging things out too much, but at this point it's hard to argue they made the right choice. I think splitting up the 2 major plot resolutions north/south over 2 separate seasons may have been better. S7 could have easily been entirely focused on resolving the white walker storyline, kept Cersei in the south trying to find a way to strengthen her armies, and then let S8 focus on the entire march south.
They need a redo on both 7 & 8. S7 should have been all about Jon convincing Dany to go North and concluding with the battle of winterfell and their forces weakened as Cersei built up her forces in the south. Then s8 could have entirely focused on the battle for KL and the political maneuvering in westeros.
Last week was excellent and if they finish with a bittersweet ending tonight, all is well.
Last week was excellent and if they finish with a bittersweet ending tonight, all is well.
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1) I don't think anyone actually signs petitions expecting anything to happen. I'd venture to guess 99% of people who signed it think it's a joke.
2) the bolded part above is more than little pot calling the kettle black considering all of us here have been inflicted with the same silly notion that our opinions matter about a host of things for 20 years now. It's kind of the entire premise of a message board, which is basically just longer form social media.
There is a difference between cheerleading, venting, discussion, argument versus acting like a toddler who didn't get his/her way.
How many parents have named their babies after Daenerys?
We're talking about people who are having a hard time separating fictional entertainment with reality.
no offense.
How many parents have named their babies after Daenerys?
We're talking about people who are having a hard time separating fictional entertainment with reality.
Did you see the videos after Daniel Jones was drafted? Have you seen the videos of that 50 something year old giants fan Vic ranting and raving over the past several years? Have you seen sports fans literally pay money to fly planes with banners or buy billboard space to get coaches fired? Is that behavior really all that different just because the subject in question is a different genre of entertainment?
I'd rather have him warg into her, then have the 'warged' Dany ....... nsfw.
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On BBI, I was one of the original people who said this season has been subpar, but I feel strongly that people are now overreacting. The epitome of this is the petition to have HBO produce season 8 all over again. (Don't get me started on the over-inflated, narcissistic mentality of the social media warrior who thinks his/her opinion means a damn thing).
Last week was excellent and if they finish with a bittersweet ending tonight, all is well.
2 thoughts -
1) I don't think anyone actually signs petitions expecting anything to happen. I'd venture to guess 99% of people who signed it think it's a joke.
2) the bolded part above is more than little pot calling the kettle black considering all of us here have been inflicted with the same silly notion that our opinions matter about a host of things for 20 years now. It's kind of the entire premise of a message board, which is basically just longer form social media.
I don't use BBI thinking/hoping that the Giants give a rat's ass what I think. I come here to discuss football and other non-football topics with Giants fans I have come to know (digitally) over the years. I think it's a pretty big difference.
What kind of narcissistic moron takes a reaction video of himself? Nobody cares. Get over it dumbass.
I'd like to think the people who comment on this site are above that. (grin)
It really feels like last weeks episode should've been a season finale and that there should be one more season. To know they're going to squeeze a bunch of character's outcomes into 80 minutes feels ridiculous. I've been watching from the very beginning so I'm excited for the episode but at the same time, there's a little bit of dread knowing there's almost zero chance they can do this justice with how rushed it is. I don't mind their writing that much, some of the decisions are stupid, but the real issue with Benioff and Weiss is them trying to fit everything into one season when they needed at least two more. It just shows terrible foresight from them that they didn't see this reaction coming and that they thought they could pull it off after having so many people get invested in their show for so long. It deserved a little more time. But oh well. Here we are. Let's see how they finish it.
There are a few plausible endings and I think we've been over them; if a troll leaked it would just look like informed speculation.
Arya kills Dany
Jon renounces the throne
Gendry gets it by default
Breaking Bad lived in the internet age, and while not everyone was completely satisfied with the end, there wasn't a giant petition to reshoot anything. I don't think most of those million signers really expect a reshoot of season 8.
They're voicing their displeasure. To write off their opinions as some sign of the times is excuse making for what used to be a pretty tightly written show in my opinion.
Breaking Bad lived in the internet age, and while not everyone was completely satisfied with the end, there wasn't a giant petition to reshoot anything. I don't think most of those million signers really expect a reshoot of season 8.
They're voicing their displeasure. To write off their opinions as some sign of the times is excuse making for what used to be a pretty tightly written show in my opinion.
I'm hear for your outrage over the outrage over the outrage.
Jokes aside, parts of it do feel a little rushed, but I've thoroughly enjoyed it. (Euron sucks, was anyone even remotely afraid of that guy?)
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They need a redo on both 7 & 8. S7 should have been all about Jon convincing Dany to go North and concluding with the battle of winterfell and their forces weakened as Cersei built up her forces in the south. Then s8 could have entirely focused on the battle for KL and the political maneuvering in westeros.
That would have been more sensible.
In fact, I’m not ever sure they need one central leader. I know Winterfell has no desire to serve a ruler.
And someone please tell me how Daenerys had a fuckton of Unsullied and Dothraki with which to storm Kings Landing with after the Battle of Winterfell? Winterfell was completely overwhelmed and overrun at the point that Arya killed the Night King. Everyone should have been dead save for a few holdouts. The show would've had a ton more credibility had the writers not basically just re-spawned an entire army for Daenerys like a video game. And it's silly that Lady Morning is not going to be able to kill a giant after having her bones and organs crushed. She's dead instantly, come on. I know that is more of a nitpick, but the reason this show was so great was because nobody was safe. No conveniently happy ending because the audience likes the character. Ned Stark's death set the tone, and the Red Wedding, as gut-wrenching and brutal a scene that it was, perhaps the most gut-wrenching and brutal scene in TV history, made the show great. And now you have miracle journeys to save the day from Dragonstone to North of the Wall, you have armies re-spawning and a little girl who was crushed kill a giant.
This show could've been the best show ever, and it's going out rushed, with lazy writing that has been a disservice to the first five seasons of great storytelling.
Couldn’t agree more.
This season has sucked. First 2 episodes could’ve been 1 episode, the battle goes from epic to “let’s have Arya come out of nowhere and end 7 seasons of impending doom in 5 seconds” ... The Lannister storyline, especially Jamie, was awful ...
The cgi on the dragons has been beautiful. I’ve pretty much hated everything about this season otherwise, so formulaic and predictable at times. Amazing how bad the writing gets once the book’s author is doing the work for them.