is that if the showrunners knew Bran was going to be the ultimate Slay Kang, they should have spent more time with him. There was an entire season in which he didn't show up! (To be fair, I'm not 100% positive they knew by that time, but if they did, they could have given him a few stray scenes here or there. Or maybe showed his descent from person to Three-Eyed Raven!)
I believe martin said he told them the major points about the ending about 6 years ago. What that entails besides Dany burns KL and Jon kills her is anyone's guess.
a lot of places to develop things more. And if we can agree on that much, then it's pretty public why that was the case.
I guess it's not uncommon in history to have showrunners/creators get sick of their projects midstream (Sorkin West Wing, Milch, etc) - just sucks for all involved I suppose.
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More recently, HBO offered the showrunners more money and time to at least add more episodes to the final season, after eight seasons, the last two being shortened, was concocted as a compromise.
"HBO would have been happy for the show to keep going, to have more episodes in the final season," Benioff said. "We always believed it was about 73 hours, and it will be roughly that. As much as they wanted more, they understood that this is where the story ends."
And then there’s George RR Martin, who has always thought the show was cutting too much from the books. A long time ago he said the 10 episode seasons should be more like 13, and more recently he’s said that the show could continue well, well beyond eight seasons. Here’s him at the Emmys last year:
"I don't know," Martin said. "Ask David [Benioff] and Dan [Weiss] when they come through. We could have gone to 11, 12, 13 seasons, but I guess they wanted a life.”
season 6...not perfect, but they delivered great episodes in the Door, Battle of the Bastards, and Winds of Winter while bringing the story to the point they wanted (Cersei on the Iron Throne, Jon King in the North, Sansa all growns up, Arya back as fully trained assassin, Daenerys on her way to Westeros with full armies and dragons).
That was all based on the apparent outline from GRRM, not source material from the books. They just rushed to finish the story over 13 remaining episodes...and to their credit, delivered some amazing cinematography in some (not all) of the major battles.
They just sacrificed a ton in the story telling in the race to finish.
I didn't have the same gripes others had about the final season, but I wasn't a necessarily a fan of the final episode. The only show I ever enjoyed this much was Breaking Bad and I think they stuck the landing, Game of Thrones didn't.
My main gripe with how things ended was how they got there. Danys heel turn was rushed. Bran the King? What an unlikable character, but I am not sure who else becomes King at that point. Maybe if they hadn't made his character so absurd you could've grown to like him "I have to go now"... Can't believe the checked out on LSD guy wins the Game of Thrones.
With that said. I will really miss looking forward to this show. I waited an extra hour or two to watch the final episode. Went and got a nice dinner, checked out the sunset. I was in no rush for this to be the end. I'll rewatch the show eventually. Its my favorite series of all time. I look forward to watching with people who have never seen it before too!
more literally. He can't be "Lord" of any house because he doesn't associate himself with any house. To him he's no longer Stark. And he also can't have any children, which is very important.
So what he was saying was true at the moment, but once Dany died and Jon refused the throne the dynamics changed. Maybe he had some foresight to see this coming, but in general I don't think Bran was being disingenuous when he said what he said
The final episode of "Game of Thrones" brought in a series record of 19.3 million viewers.
The finale, titled "The Iron Throne," broke the record set by last weekend's episode, "The Bells," for which 18.4 million viewers tuned in.
The viewership for "The Iron Throne" includes 13.6 million people who watched the episode on HBO at 9 p.m. Sunday night, making it the most-watched telecast in the network's history, according to HBO. The rest were viewers who watched an encore presentation, or who streamed the show with the HBO Go or HBO Now apps.
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I liked the episode and season more than most but that’s only because so many just hated it. I thought it was ok.
Great show and sad to see the run end. They definitely fell off from their peak when Tywin was so good, but overall I still have good thoughts on this show.
Europe is west of the US. Sure if you go west from CA and keep going west through Asia, yes you can get to Europe by going West from the US. but it's generally accepted that Europe is East of the US.
And Essos is East of Westeros. No idea what's out there between the two and I think that was Arya's point, unless it's a joke I just missed.
For all the whiners, here's the deal, take it or leave it. Me and my fiance re-watched the first 5 and figured out something easy, if you've been a dick, you die. Euron, dick. Dead. Jamie shoves Bran out a window. Dick. Dead. Cersei, too many to count. Dick. Dead. Varys was spying on Dany in two locations and tried to poison her, dick. Dead. Night King, Theon, Walder Frey, Joffrey, The High Sparrow, The Hound, The Mountain, Beric Dondarion, Thoros of Mir, Melisandre, the list goes on. Do something treasonous or evil and you die.
We reasoned the simple assumption that Jon has to kill Dany, there is no other way, it's just too easy. The biggest threat keeps dying and especially this season the big bad always dies. Only Jon could get close enough, easy to see. Arya told the Hound that she wasn't coming back to Winterfell, duh, she's going to explore. Again, not fucking hard. Bran has to be the king, he's seen it clearly, he set the pieces on the board to removed, he worked it so Theon who betrayed him died. He worked it so the Night King who sent his men to kill Hordor ultimately and overtake the world died. He saw to it that Jamie, who chucked him out of a window died. He knew the throne would be free, he sees everything and he put himself in position to get justice for those who harmed him and to rule because he has the ability to see all of this treachery and prevent it if he can. These are all easy once you realize that Benioff and Weiss had a formula. You do bad, you get punished. Jon HAD to get sent to the wall, he killed his queen, but he saved the world so he gets to live. This isn't rocket science it's behavioral and if you see the pattern emerge it's easy.
Call me what you want, tell me I ruined your sad life because I predicted something or do whatever other childish thing you insist on doing. I see things emerge and I can predict once I see patterns, and my fiance is otherworldly at it. There are clues if you see them. Hell Anakim predicted last week to a T and no one wanted to burn him at the stake. Either way, I didn't read a damn spoiler, I made a guess based on what I've seen. I was right big deal. IF that "ruins" your journey, perhaps you need to examine what value you place on things. I was actually kind of annoyed that I was right, that was a predictable and dull end but it fits the season. Big bad arrives, all hope is lost, someone saves the day and someone pays a price. Now stop whining you big babies.
They fucked it so hard I don't even recognize it. Â
The characters and plot may be the same but the show was unrecognizable. If you're happy, great. If the pilot was like the final season we never would have heard of it.
For all the whiners, here's the deal, take it or leave it. Me and my fiance re-watched the first 5 and figured out something easy, if you've been a dick, you die. Euron, dick. Dead. Jamie shoves Bran out a window. Dick. Dead. Cersei, too many to count. Dick. Dead. Varys was spying on Dany in two locations and tried to poison her, dick. Dead. Night King, Theon, Walder Frey, Joffrey, The High Sparrow, The Hound, The Mountain, Beric Dondarion, Thoros of Mir, Melisandre, the list goes on. Do something treasonous or evil and you die.
We reasoned the simple assumption that Jon has to kill Dany, there is no other way, it's just too easy. The biggest threat keeps dying and especially this season the big bad always dies. Only Jon could get close enough, easy to see. Arya told the Hound that she wasn't coming back to Winterfell, duh, she's going to explore. Again, not fucking hard. Bran has to be the king, he's seen it clearly, he set the pieces on the board to removed, he worked it so Theon who betrayed him died. He worked it so the Night King who sent his men to kill Hordor ultimately and overtake the world died. He saw to it that Jamie, who chucked him out of a window died. He knew the throne would be free, he sees everything and he put himself in position to get justice for those who harmed him and to rule because he has the ability to see all of this treachery and prevent it if he can. These are all easy once you realize that Benioff and Weiss had a formula. You do bad, you get punished. Jon HAD to get sent to the wall, he killed his queen, but he saved the world so he gets to live. This isn't rocket science it's behavioral and if you see the pattern emerge it's easy.
Call me what you want, tell me I ruined your sad life because I predicted something or do whatever other childish thing you insist on doing. I see things emerge and I can predict once I see patterns, and my fiance is otherworldly at it. There are clues if you see them. Hell Anakim predicted last week to a T and no one wanted to burn him at the stake. Either way, I didn't read a damn spoiler, I made a guess based on what I've seen. I was right big deal. IF that "ruins" your journey, perhaps you need to examine what value you place on things. I was actually kind of annoyed that I was right, that was a predictable and dull end but it fits the season. Big bad arrives, all hope is lost, someone saves the day and someone pays a price. Now stop whining you big babies.
No criticisms with that, but Dany heel turn is rushed and Bran is a terrible character. Maybe if the writers had built him up instead of "I have to go now" lines then I'd feel different. Still a great show when you take it in its entirety. Gonna switch to reading the books, hope Martin does a better job.
For all the whiners, here's the deal, take it or leave it. Me and my fiance re-watched the first 5 and figured out something easy, if you've been a dick, you die. Euron, dick. Dead. Jamie shoves Bran out a window. Dick. Dead. Cersei, too many to count. Dick. Dead. Varys was spying on Dany in two locations and tried to poison her, dick. Dead. Night King, Theon, Walder Frey, Joffrey, The High Sparrow, The Hound, The Mountain, Beric Dondarion, Thoros of Mir, Melisandre, the list goes on. Do something treasonous or evil and you die.
We reasoned the simple assumption that Jon has to kill Dany, there is no other way, it's just too easy. The biggest threat keeps dying and especially this season the big bad always dies. Only Jon could get close enough, easy to see. Arya told the Hound that she wasn't coming back to Winterfell, duh, she's going to explore. Again, not fucking hard. Bran has to be the king, he's seen it clearly, he set the pieces on the board to removed, he worked it so Theon who betrayed him died. He worked it so the Night King who sent his men to kill Hordor ultimately and overtake the world died. He saw to it that Jamie, who chucked him out of a window died. He knew the throne would be free, he sees everything and he put himself in position to get justice for those who harmed him and to rule because he has the ability to see all of this treachery and prevent it if he can. These are all easy once you realize that Benioff and Weiss had a formula. You do bad, you get punished. Jon HAD to get sent to the wall, he killed his queen, but he saved the world so he gets to live. This isn't rocket science it's behavioral and if you see the pattern emerge it's easy.
Call me what you want, tell me I ruined your sad life because I predicted something or do whatever other childish thing you insist on doing. I see things emerge and I can predict once I see patterns, and my fiance is otherworldly at it. There are clues if you see them. Hell Anakim predicted last week to a T and no one wanted to burn him at the stake. Either way, I didn't read a damn spoiler, I made a guess based on what I've seen. I was right big deal. IF that "ruins" your journey, perhaps you need to examine what value you place on things. I was actually kind of annoyed that I was right, that was a predictable and dull end but it fits the season. Big bad arrives, all hope is lost, someone saves the day and someone pays a price. Now stop whining you big babies.
At the risk of another self righteous thesis...you're full of shit lol.
I think Seasons 6, 7, and 4 were the best.
Although not as good as them, Season 8 had the best cinematography by far, and had 2 of the top 3 battle seasons IMO.
Plus I think the scene where Dany is addressing the army after the victory is outstanding, much better the 2nd time now that I am watching more closely. I love how the Dothrakis are riding in circles hooting it up, while the Unsullied are in a perfect line completely militarize. She spoke to both factions telling them exactly what they wanted to hear.
Also when she approached the stairs with the dragon wings behind her, that was great too.
What a great, great show. I can't imagine a better TV production that the last 8 years have been.
Jon in particular. I am quite satisfied by his arc. I didn't need him to be Aegon Targaryen secret royal King taking his rightful place. To me it makes much more sense for him to be with the Free Folk a people who accepted him before they even knew who he was or how powerful he would get. He also is free from the Westerosi politics he despises. It's a good end for him.
Bran as King...meh, I can see the idea. I'm going to need some more coherent info in the books though, but I get the point they're all going for.
Arya traveling makes a lot of sense too as her hero was Nymeria. It's a very Nymeria end. They didn't make the warrior queen Nymeria clear enough in the show, and that was their fault as I think it would have clicked with more people straight away the symbolism of Arya traveling on a ship to a far away land.
I am satisfied with it. I think the end will age much better than the rest of season 8 will.
why is Jon's claim to the throne more legitimate than Gendry's?
The first Targaryen king became so through conquest I imagine. And Robert Baratheon became king through his rebellion and conquest of Kings Landing.
If Jon's claim is due to his bloodlines to Aegon, then Gendry's supersedes him because Robert was more recently king. If his claim is due to his bloodlines to Dany, then it is likely invalidated by the fact that he was the one to kill Dany and the Unsullied would just kill him instead of making him King, leaving no one with a true claim to the throne.
If anything, I suppose Drogon has the best birthright claim, but he abdicated it when he skipped town.
And so it goes, on and on. Power by birthright leading to more and more bloodshed, and so this incremental step forward by the remaining Lords of Westeros was to try and do away with that and pick a leader based on merit.
For all the whiners, here's the deal, take it or leave it. Me and my fiance re-watched the first 5 and figured out something easy, if you've been a dick, you die. Euron, dick. Dead. Jamie shoves Bran out a window. Dick. Dead. Cersei, too many to count. Dick. Dead. Varys was spying on Dany in two locations and tried to poison her, dick. Dead. Night King, Theon, Walder Frey, Joffrey, The High Sparrow, The Hound, The Mountain, Beric Dondarion, Thoros of Mir, Melisandre, the list goes on. Do something treasonous or evil and you die.
We reasoned the simple assumption that Jon has to kill Dany, there is no other way, it's just too easy. The biggest threat keeps dying and especially this season the big bad always dies. Only Jon could get close enough, easy to see. Arya told the Hound that she wasn't coming back to Winterfell, duh, she's going to explore. Again, not fucking hard. Bran has to be the king, he's seen it clearly, he set the pieces on the board to removed, he worked it so Theon who betrayed him died. He worked it so the Night King who sent his men to kill Hordor ultimately and overtake the world died. He saw to it that Jamie, who chucked him out of a window died. He knew the throne would be free, he sees everything and he put himself in position to get justice for those who harmed him and to rule because he has the ability to see all of this treachery and prevent it if he can. These are all easy once you realize that Benioff and Weiss had a formula. You do bad, you get punished. Jon HAD to get sent to the wall, he killed his queen, but he saved the world so he gets to live. This isn't rocket science it's behavioral and if you see the pattern emerge it's easy.
Call me what you want, tell me I ruined your sad life because I predicted something or do whatever other childish thing you insist on doing. I see things emerge and I can predict once I see patterns, and my fiance is otherworldly at it. There are clues if you see them. Hell Anakim predicted last week to a T and no one wanted to burn him at the stake. Either way, I didn't read a damn spoiler, I made a guess based on what I've seen. I was right big deal. IF that "ruins" your journey, perhaps you need to examine what value you place on things. I was actually kind of annoyed that I was right, that was a predictable and dull end but it fits the season. Big bad arrives, all hope is lost, someone saves the day and someone pays a price. Now stop whining you big babies.
Yeah... pretty sure you just saw the spoilers on freefolk and posted them.
I guess you would have died this season then. Joey in VA...dick!
Amateur writing, predictable and formulaic “plot lines”, sloppy editing, and a general sense of “we know you’re going to watch it anyway so who cares?”
2 years to make 6 episodes, this was a pathetic final product.
First 2 episodes should’ve been 1, waste of time.
the battle going from hopeless/the world is coming to an end to “hey arya’s Coming out of nowhere and now this 7-season build up is all done” was absurd.
Jamie’s entire story line was a joke this season
But the CGI was great and i’m Sure appealed to the lowest common denominator that just started watching the show because it was “trending”.
Absolutely awful way of ending what could’ve been the best series ever. Interesting how bad the writing gets when the original author isn’t able to carry your storylines.
Dany keeps the throne and starts 'liberating' the rest of Westeros (and the world). Sends Dothraki back to Essos. Arya and Jon go back to Winterfell to help Sansa prepare to defend the North. Bran tells Jon to go North of the Wall to get the Freefolk. Dany's army approaches Winterfell.
Cut to Jon in the north. Children of the Forest plunge an obsidian dagger into his heart. Final shot to end the series is Jon leaning against a tree with the dagger in his heart. Zoom in on his face. Eyes open - they are blue
Fade to black
That took me 10 minutes to think of after I watched the finale last night (after avoiding the internet all day on Sunday and Monday)
Dany keeps the throne and starts 'liberating' the rest of Westeros (and the world). Sends Dothraki back to Essos. Arya and Jon go back to Winterfell to help Sansa prepare to defend the North. Bran tells Jon to go North of the Wall to get the Freefolk. Dany's army approaches Winterfell.
Cut to Jon in the north. Children of the Forest plunge an obsidian dagger into his heart. Final shot to end the series is Jon leaning against a tree with the dagger in his heart. Zoom in on his face. Eyes open - they are blue
Fade to black
That took me 10 minutes to think of after I watched the finale last night (after avoiding the internet all day on Sunday and Monday)
Now that wouldve been an awful ending lol. Sorry, Im not trying to be a dick, but yikes. Why would the Children, if there are even any left, re-create the White Walkers after how badly it backfired the first time they did it? That makes less sense than Joey's "dicks die" trail of breadcrumbs.
I think that is a pretty good list, a lot of my favorites were near the top. It also shows better for Season 8 then some on here portray. 8, like the other seasons, has episodes sprinkled throughout the list
Yes, it was clear as day that Jon would get sent to a non existent Nights Watch. I TOTALLY believe you didn’t read any spoilers on Reddit. You’re just smarter than everyone else. LOL. I’d have more respect for you if you just owned up to the fact that you wanted to be an asshole and ruin the ending for as many people as you could.
You didn’t just reveal the end of the show, you revealed yourself to be the biggest douche on this site, which is saying something. But do the rest of us a favor and put your big boy pants on and own it.
Was Jon pulling a Mance Rayder at the end and deciding to abandon the Night's Watch and live with the Wildlings? Was it a trick all along to confuse Grey Worm who knows nothing about how any of it works, and Jon was not actually being sent there? I don't know, the ending leaves that open and confusing. Because there's no reason for Jon to be riding out with them, it's not like they don't know where they are going and need a guide.
My guess is it's a Mance Rayder and that's what the author told them he has planned and for whatever reason they decided to not make that overly clear. Why, I have no idea.
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Was Jon pulling a Mance Rayder at the end and deciding to abandon the Night's Watch and live with the Wildlings? Was it a trick all along to confuse Grey Worm who knows nothing about how any of it works, and Jon was not actually being sent there? I don't know, the ending leaves that open and confusing. Because there's no reason for Jon to be riding out with them, it's not like they don't know where they are going and need a guide.
My guess is it's a Mance Rayder and that's what the author told them he has planned and for whatever reason they decided to not make that overly clear. Why, I have no idea.
this was my thought:
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on to become Mance Rayder?
There is no Night's Watch (or so it seemed) though we didn't see East Watch I was amazed how much of the wall was rebuilt or we didn't really know how much reanimated Viserys obliterated. Looked like a lot.
Anyway, yes, my assumption is Jon Snow went on to become the new Mance Rayder.
The only real obstacle to believing that was pre-planned is his goodbyes to the Starks. Didn't seem wink wink nod nod to me.
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Was Jon pulling a Mance Rayder at the end and deciding to abandon the Night's Watch and live with the Wildlings? Was it a trick all along to confuse Grey Worm who knows nothing about how any of it works, and Jon was not actually being sent there? I don't know, the ending leaves that open and confusing. Because there's no reason for Jon to be riding out with them, it's not like they don't know where they are going and need a guide.
My guess is it's a Mance Rayder and that's what the author told them he has planned and for whatever reason they decided to not make that overly clear. Why, I have no idea.
They could have made it more clear. I personally think sending him north was more of a gesture than an actual punishment. First off, the Wall isn't in the newly minted 6 Kingdoms, its in The North, meaning its not even in their jurisdiction anymore. I also don't believe there is even a Nights Watch. The entire point of the Watch was to man the Wall and protect the realm from the Others (sorry, White Walkers) and in more recent generations Wildlings. Neither are a threat anymore. I don't know how much or or how little of this Grey Worm knows or understands, but I think saying "we're sending you to the Wall" sounds better and more symbolic than "We're banishing you".
In the end it's probably what Jon would've wanted. He was bound by a sense of duty to a realm that no longer needs him. Which could be why he held to the "sentence" despite the Unsullied, who it was meant to appease, leaving Westeros.
it was just pretty blah in terms of how they got there since they spent so little time establishing Bran as anything more than a meme. I'd have preferred Arya at storm's end but other than that everything made sense - except the unsullied and dothraki putting their war rally rage aside after Dany dies and just packing up their stuff and leaving. Also probably would have made more sense to allow the other kingdoms to all just be their own independent areas like the North with some kind of mutual alliance. Kind of like the commission/5 families.
Also fits with the idea that it certainly seems was part of the ending, that the Starks are essentially a major presence everywhere now. Jon, Sansa, Bran in all of Westeros and Arya is about to be Nymeria 2.0 in a new land. So it makes sense that he would Mance Rayder 2.0. They should have made that more clear though.
I've thought about the Dothraki doing Dothraki shit after Dany dies Â
Im sure there was a lot of unrest and probably a little raping, some minor pillaging (wasn't much left to pillage). I also think the Unsullied would put them in check pretty quickly. I think they held more to Dany's plan of "breaking the wheel" and protecting those who can't protect themselves.
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So, I don't see any reason to think Sansa if Jon wanted to go into the Northern Kingdom or Bran if he wanted to go somewhere South would have not pardoned him immdiately. So, yeah I guess there was never any expectation from any of them about him staying in the Night's Watch. But then the whole 'who's going to stop you because you're a woman' to Arya about visiting Castle Black...
That's the type of thing I meant, they made it confusing when it probably didn't have to be.
I think he just ended up back to the place he most belonged and free of the burdens he didn't want. He became both lord commander and king of the north begrudgingly. He consistently hated the politics of ruling wherever he was and gave up both positions. If he'd had the chance to be king he wouldn't have wanted it. His first time traveling to king's landing he said "why would anyone live here?". When he was with the freefolk he was most in his element, that's why those ended up some of his main relationships. Mance was almost a mentor, he fell in love, Tormund his most trusted sidekick. Mance united the freefolk to save them and I just don't think there's a purpose to doing that in a broken wall/post-white walker/new night's watch world.
Also if you think about Tormund's quotes/freefolk "we're not clever like you southerners, when we say we'll do something we do it" and the fact that they honored all their pledges that's definitely the most Jon. Moreso than even the northerners + sansa who maneuvered, questioned every decision he made, and broke her promise to him within 90 seconds.
Also fits with the idea that it certainly seems was part of the ending, that the Starks are essentially a major presence everywhere now. Jon, Sansa, Bran in all of Westeros and Arya is about to be Nymeria 2.0 in a new land. So it makes sense that he would Mance Rayder 2.0. They should have made that more clear though.
That’s how I saw the ending too. Kit Harrington could have managed a bit more of a smile at the end, but it seemed clear he went from miserable from prison to Castle Black, to happy once he realized he was going North of the wall to be with the wildlings, who had really become his people. They made a point of showing several wildlings, including children, smiling at him as he rode by them.
They even lingered on a shot of the gate of Castle Black closing behind him, symbolizing him leaving his past in Westeros behind. IMO
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Why was Tormund at Castle Black? He left for beyond the wall after the fight for WF. I mean I know why, for a Hollywoood send off, but sheesh. A final shot of Jon finding the wildling camp in the mountains would've made more sense.
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Why was Tormund at Castle Black? He left for beyond the wall after the fight for WF. I mean I know why, for a Hollywoood send off, but sheesh. A final shot of Jon finding the wildling camp in the mountains would've made more sense.
He said he’d stay there till the winter storms pass
I believe martin said he told them the major points about the ending about 6 years ago. What that entails besides Dany burns KL and Jon kills her is anyone's guess.
I guess it's not uncommon in history to have showrunners/creators get sick of their projects midstream (Sorkin West Wing, Milch, etc) - just sucks for all involved I suppose.
"HBO would have been happy for the show to keep going, to have more episodes in the final season," Benioff said. "We always believed it was about 73 hours, and it will be roughly that. As much as they wanted more, they understood that this is where the story ends."
And then there’s George RR Martin, who has always thought the show was cutting too much from the books. A long time ago he said the 10 episode seasons should be more like 13, and more recently he’s said that the show could continue well, well beyond eight seasons. Here’s him at the Emmys last year:
"I don't know," Martin said. "Ask David [Benioff] and Dan [Weiss] when they come through. We could have gone to 11, 12, 13 seasons, but I guess they wanted a life.”
It Is Now Clear Having Two Short ‘Game Of Thrones’ Final Seasons Was A Mistake - ( New Window )
That was all based on the apparent outline from GRRM, not source material from the books. They just rushed to finish the story over 13 remaining episodes...and to their credit, delivered some amazing cinematography in some (not all) of the major battles.
They just sacrificed a ton in the story telling in the race to finish.
My main gripe with how things ended was how they got there. Danys heel turn was rushed. Bran the King? What an unlikable character, but I am not sure who else becomes King at that point. Maybe if they hadn't made his character so absurd you could've grown to like him "I have to go now"... Can't believe the checked out on LSD guy wins the Game of Thrones.
With that said. I will really miss looking forward to this show. I waited an extra hour or two to watch the final episode. Went and got a nice dinner, checked out the sunset. I was in no rush for this to be the end. I'll rewatch the show eventually. Its my favorite series of all time. I look forward to watching with people who have never seen it before too!
So what he was saying was true at the moment, but once Dany died and Jon refused the throne the dynamics changed. Maybe he had some foresight to see this coming, but in general I don't think Bran was being disingenuous when he said what he said
r/freefolk has been on fire this season. Some absolutely hysterical stuff.
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r/freefolk has been on fire this season. Some absolutely hysterical stuff.
The finale, titled "The Iron Throne," broke the record set by last weekend's episode, "The Bells," for which 18.4 million viewers tuned in.
The viewership for "The Iron Throne" includes 13.6 million people who watched the episode on HBO at 9 p.m. Sunday night, making it the most-watched telecast in the network's history, according to HBO. The rest were viewers who watched an encore presentation, or who streamed the show with the HBO Go or HBO Now apps.
that is all.
Great show and sad to see the run end. They definitely fell off from their peak when Tywin was so good, but overall I still have good thoughts on this show.
On to the next show....
And Essos is East of Westeros. No idea what's out there between the two and I think that was Arya's point, unless it's a joke I just missed.
We reasoned the simple assumption that Jon has to kill Dany, there is no other way, it's just too easy. The biggest threat keeps dying and especially this season the big bad always dies. Only Jon could get close enough, easy to see. Arya told the Hound that she wasn't coming back to Winterfell, duh, she's going to explore. Again, not fucking hard. Bran has to be the king, he's seen it clearly, he set the pieces on the board to removed, he worked it so Theon who betrayed him died. He worked it so the Night King who sent his men to kill Hordor ultimately and overtake the world died. He saw to it that Jamie, who chucked him out of a window died. He knew the throne would be free, he sees everything and he put himself in position to get justice for those who harmed him and to rule because he has the ability to see all of this treachery and prevent it if he can. These are all easy once you realize that Benioff and Weiss had a formula. You do bad, you get punished. Jon HAD to get sent to the wall, he killed his queen, but he saved the world so he gets to live. This isn't rocket science it's behavioral and if you see the pattern emerge it's easy.
Call me what you want, tell me I ruined your sad life because I predicted something or do whatever other childish thing you insist on doing. I see things emerge and I can predict once I see patterns, and my fiance is otherworldly at it. There are clues if you see them. Hell Anakim predicted last week to a T and no one wanted to burn him at the stake. Either way, I didn't read a damn spoiler, I made a guess based on what I've seen. I was right big deal. IF that "ruins" your journey, perhaps you need to examine what value you place on things. I was actually kind of annoyed that I was right, that was a predictable and dull end but it fits the season. Big bad arrives, all hope is lost, someone saves the day and someone pays a price. Now stop whining you big babies.
We reasoned the simple assumption that Jon has to kill Dany, there is no other way, it's just too easy. The biggest threat keeps dying and especially this season the big bad always dies. Only Jon could get close enough, easy to see. Arya told the Hound that she wasn't coming back to Winterfell, duh, she's going to explore. Again, not fucking hard. Bran has to be the king, he's seen it clearly, he set the pieces on the board to removed, he worked it so Theon who betrayed him died. He worked it so the Night King who sent his men to kill Hordor ultimately and overtake the world died. He saw to it that Jamie, who chucked him out of a window died. He knew the throne would be free, he sees everything and he put himself in position to get justice for those who harmed him and to rule because he has the ability to see all of this treachery and prevent it if he can. These are all easy once you realize that Benioff and Weiss had a formula. You do bad, you get punished. Jon HAD to get sent to the wall, he killed his queen, but he saved the world so he gets to live. This isn't rocket science it's behavioral and if you see the pattern emerge it's easy.
Call me what you want, tell me I ruined your sad life because I predicted something or do whatever other childish thing you insist on doing. I see things emerge and I can predict once I see patterns, and my fiance is otherworldly at it. There are clues if you see them. Hell Anakim predicted last week to a T and no one wanted to burn him at the stake. Either way, I didn't read a damn spoiler, I made a guess based on what I've seen. I was right big deal. IF that "ruins" your journey, perhaps you need to examine what value you place on things. I was actually kind of annoyed that I was right, that was a predictable and dull end but it fits the season. Big bad arrives, all hope is lost, someone saves the day and someone pays a price. Now stop whining you big babies.
No criticisms with that, but Dany heel turn is rushed and Bran is a terrible character. Maybe if the writers had built him up instead of "I have to go now" lines then I'd feel different. Still a great show when you take it in its entirety. Gonna switch to reading the books, hope Martin does a better job.
We reasoned the simple assumption that Jon has to kill Dany, there is no other way, it's just too easy. The biggest threat keeps dying and especially this season the big bad always dies. Only Jon could get close enough, easy to see. Arya told the Hound that she wasn't coming back to Winterfell, duh, she's going to explore. Again, not fucking hard. Bran has to be the king, he's seen it clearly, he set the pieces on the board to removed, he worked it so Theon who betrayed him died. He worked it so the Night King who sent his men to kill Hordor ultimately and overtake the world died. He saw to it that Jamie, who chucked him out of a window died. He knew the throne would be free, he sees everything and he put himself in position to get justice for those who harmed him and to rule because he has the ability to see all of this treachery and prevent it if he can. These are all easy once you realize that Benioff and Weiss had a formula. You do bad, you get punished. Jon HAD to get sent to the wall, he killed his queen, but he saved the world so he gets to live. This isn't rocket science it's behavioral and if you see the pattern emerge it's easy.
Call me what you want, tell me I ruined your sad life because I predicted something or do whatever other childish thing you insist on doing. I see things emerge and I can predict once I see patterns, and my fiance is otherworldly at it. There are clues if you see them. Hell Anakim predicted last week to a T and no one wanted to burn him at the stake. Either way, I didn't read a damn spoiler, I made a guess based on what I've seen. I was right big deal. IF that "ruins" your journey, perhaps you need to examine what value you place on things. I was actually kind of annoyed that I was right, that was a predictable and dull end but it fits the season. Big bad arrives, all hope is lost, someone saves the day and someone pays a price. Now stop whining you big babies.
At the risk of another self righteous thesis...you're full of shit lol.
He read spoilers and posted them as though he and his brilliant fiance figured it all out because they're special.
Although his analysis left out "Robin Arryn...dick" and "Greyworm...dick" for some reason.
Although not as good as them, Season 8 had the best cinematography by far, and had 2 of the top 3 battle seasons IMO.
Plus I think the scene where Dany is addressing the army after the victory is outstanding, much better the 2nd time now that I am watching more closely. I love how the Dothrakis are riding in circles hooting it up, while the Unsullied are in a perfect line completely militarize. She spoke to both factions telling them exactly what they wanted to hear.
Also when she approached the stairs with the dragon wings behind her, that was great too.
What a great, great show. I can't imagine a better TV production that the last 8 years have been.
Jon in particular. I am quite satisfied by his arc. I didn't need him to be Aegon Targaryen secret royal King taking his rightful place. To me it makes much more sense for him to be with the Free Folk a people who accepted him before they even knew who he was or how powerful he would get. He also is free from the Westerosi politics he despises. It's a good end for him.
Bran as King...meh, I can see the idea. I'm going to need some more coherent info in the books though, but I get the point they're all going for.
Arya traveling makes a lot of sense too as her hero was Nymeria. It's a very Nymeria end. They didn't make the warrior queen Nymeria clear enough in the show, and that was their fault as I think it would have clicked with more people straight away the symbolism of Arya traveling on a ship to a far away land.
I am satisfied with it. I think the end will age much better than the rest of season 8 will.
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The first Targaryen king became so through conquest I imagine. And Robert Baratheon became king through his rebellion and conquest of Kings Landing.
If Jon's claim is due to his bloodlines to Aegon, then Gendry's supersedes him because Robert was more recently king. If his claim is due to his bloodlines to Dany, then it is likely invalidated by the fact that he was the one to kill Dany and the Unsullied would just kill him instead of making him King, leaving no one with a true claim to the throne.
If anything, I suppose Drogon has the best birthright claim, but he abdicated it when he skipped town.
And so it goes, on and on. Power by birthright leading to more and more bloodshed, and so this incremental step forward by the remaining Lords of Westeros was to try and do away with that and pick a leader based on merit.
We reasoned the simple assumption that Jon has to kill Dany, there is no other way, it's just too easy. The biggest threat keeps dying and especially this season the big bad always dies. Only Jon could get close enough, easy to see. Arya told the Hound that she wasn't coming back to Winterfell, duh, she's going to explore. Again, not fucking hard. Bran has to be the king, he's seen it clearly, he set the pieces on the board to removed, he worked it so Theon who betrayed him died. He worked it so the Night King who sent his men to kill Hordor ultimately and overtake the world died. He saw to it that Jamie, who chucked him out of a window died. He knew the throne would be free, he sees everything and he put himself in position to get justice for those who harmed him and to rule because he has the ability to see all of this treachery and prevent it if he can. These are all easy once you realize that Benioff and Weiss had a formula. You do bad, you get punished. Jon HAD to get sent to the wall, he killed his queen, but he saved the world so he gets to live. This isn't rocket science it's behavioral and if you see the pattern emerge it's easy.
Call me what you want, tell me I ruined your sad life because I predicted something or do whatever other childish thing you insist on doing. I see things emerge and I can predict once I see patterns, and my fiance is otherworldly at it. There are clues if you see them. Hell Anakim predicted last week to a T and no one wanted to burn him at the stake. Either way, I didn't read a damn spoiler, I made a guess based on what I've seen. I was right big deal. IF that "ruins" your journey, perhaps you need to examine what value you place on things. I was actually kind of annoyed that I was right, that was a predictable and dull end but it fits the season. Big bad arrives, all hope is lost, someone saves the day and someone pays a price. Now stop whining you big babies.
Yeah... pretty sure you just saw the spoilers on freefolk and posted them.
I guess you would have died this season then. Joey in VA...dick!
2 years to make 6 episodes, this was a pathetic final product.
First 2 episodes should’ve been 1, waste of time.
the battle going from hopeless/the world is coming to an end to “hey arya’s Coming out of nowhere and now this 7-season build up is all done” was absurd.
Jamie’s entire story line was a joke this season
But the CGI was great and i’m Sure appealed to the lowest common denominator that just started watching the show because it was “trending”.
Absolutely awful way of ending what could’ve been the best series ever. Interesting how bad the writing gets when the original author isn’t able to carry your storylines.
Cut to Jon in the north. Children of the Forest plunge an obsidian dagger into his heart. Final shot to end the series is Jon leaning against a tree with the dagger in his heart. Zoom in on his face. Eyes open - they are blue
Fade to black
That took me 10 minutes to think of after I watched the finale last night (after avoiding the internet all day on Sunday and Monday)
Cut to Jon in the north. Children of the Forest plunge an obsidian dagger into his heart. Final shot to end the series is Jon leaning against a tree with the dagger in his heart. Zoom in on his face. Eyes open - they are blue
Fade to black
That took me 10 minutes to think of after I watched the finale last night (after avoiding the internet all day on Sunday and Monday)
Now that wouldve been an awful ending lol. Sorry, Im not trying to be a dick, but yikes. Why would the Children, if there are even any left, re-create the White Walkers after how badly it backfired the first time they did it? That makes less sense than Joey's "dicks die" trail of breadcrumbs.
I think that is a pretty good list, a lot of my favorites were near the top. It also shows better for Season 8 then some on here portray. 8, like the other seasons, has episodes sprinkled throughout the list
You didn’t just reveal the end of the show, you revealed yourself to be the biggest douche on this site, which is saying something. But do the rest of us a favor and put your big boy pants on and own it.
I'd have more respect if you just said you posted spoilers.
you look worse with that bullshit soliloquy.
Forget about there is more holes in it than swiss cheese.
My guess is it's a Mance Rayder and that's what the author told them he has planned and for whatever reason they decided to not make that overly clear. Why, I have no idea.
My guess is it's a Mance Rayder and that's what the author told them he has planned and for whatever reason they decided to not make that overly clear. Why, I have no idea.
this was my thought:
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on to become Mance Rayder?
There is no Night's Watch (or so it seemed) though we didn't see East Watch I was amazed how much of the wall was rebuilt or we didn't really know how much reanimated Viserys obliterated. Looked like a lot.
Anyway, yes, my assumption is Jon Snow went on to become the new Mance Rayder.
The only real obstacle to believing that was pre-planned is his goodbyes to the Starks. Didn't seem wink wink nod nod to me.
My guess is it's a Mance Rayder and that's what the author told them he has planned and for whatever reason they decided to not make that overly clear. Why, I have no idea.
They could have made it more clear. I personally think sending him north was more of a gesture than an actual punishment. First off, the Wall isn't in the newly minted 6 Kingdoms, its in The North, meaning its not even in their jurisdiction anymore. I also don't believe there is even a Nights Watch. The entire point of the Watch was to man the Wall and protect the realm from the Others (sorry, White Walkers) and in more recent generations Wildlings. Neither are a threat anymore. I don't know how much or or how little of this Grey Worm knows or understands, but I think saying "we're sending you to the Wall" sounds better and more symbolic than "We're banishing you".
In the end it's probably what Jon would've wanted. He was bound by a sense of duty to a realm that no longer needs him. Which could be why he held to the "sentence" despite the Unsullied, who it was meant to appease, leaving Westeros.
That's the type of thing I meant, they made it confusing when it probably didn't have to be.
Also if you think about Tormund's quotes/freefolk "we're not clever like you southerners, when we say we'll do something we do it" and the fact that they honored all their pledges that's definitely the most Jon. Moreso than even the northerners + sansa who maneuvered, questioned every decision he made, and broke her promise to him within 90 seconds.
That’s how I saw the ending too. Kit Harrington could have managed a bit more of a smile at the end, but it seemed clear he went from miserable from prison to Castle Black, to happy once he realized he was going North of the wall to be with the wildlings, who had really become his people. They made a point of showing several wildlings, including children, smiling at him as he rode by them.
They even lingered on a shot of the gate of Castle Black closing behind him, symbolizing him leaving his past in Westeros behind. IMO
He said he’d stay there till the winter storms pass