Was fine. How they got there In the last season was atrocious.
When I realized the scene In front of the tribunal wasn’t a dream of Tyrion’s and it was really happening I thought maybe Bron would turn into the NK. Then it just kept going where it was heading. It’s the how they got to the end that was just flat.
Dany, the dragons, the Dothraki, and Unsullied did the heavy lifting against the supposed existential threat in the Night King, then everyone said, "Thank GOD" she's gone.
I'm salty... forgive me. Everyone at that meeting would've been dead if not for her and no one gave her a second thought except Yara.
Wow, you're really wrapped up in this fictional character Dany, aren't you? Relative of the actress?
You're commenting on a fictional show too. Don't pretend you're on a higher plane of rationality.
Was it a great ending...no. They tied a pretty bow on what became a poorly written show. No one can be terribly upset at the ending...but it feels like they gave up.
a Grey worm vs John Snow boss fight. But how they ended the story is fine with everybody going their own way really no other way to wrap up the show any better then they did.
The only thing I didn't like was grey worm being appeased so easily. It always seemed to me the unsullied, being eunochs don't want sex, don't want power, don't want material gain, they just want a leaser to be loyal to and orders to follow - they seemed to take pride in their slavery.
thought that was kind of weak.
I wish Bran spoke more, seems like every time he opens his mouth it's like "Confucius says..."
not what I predicted or expected, but no real complaints that are impactful.
better ending than many shows that went this long.
That's how I feel. I didn't expect them to sum things up that well in one episode, not that it was something great or amazing but they tied stuff together well enough considering what they had to work with.
Wasn't an amazing finale but it wasn't the worst piece of shit ever which is what most people will say. Most people will be pissed off because characters didn't end up where they wanted them to, though. I think the worst send off was arya's. I guess it's the only thing that makes sense for her character but it's just kind of lame. On the flip side, it's nice to see those characters end up on the council at the end.
The entire show made perfect sense. From Tyrion's reaction and throwing down his hand emblem, to Dany sentencing him to death, to the conversation between Jon and Tyrion, to Jon finally realizing that she had to die for the sake of humanity.
Eric I’m glad you loved it but the whole world knew this ending would happen save Bran become top ruler.
Like I previously said I’m glad you few people out there who liked it, can go to sleep with a big smile of contentment. For what it’s worth, I’m sure this will be the lowest rated episode of all of them.
got nothing for tonight. I can’t believe anyone enjoyed that episode or this season.
My only surprise/gripe was the Bran/Jon angle. Thought Jon should have been the kind but then people would have just said it was even more obvious and predictable. In the end, the Starks all ended up going out the way they wanted it seemed.
The Dany/Dragon stuff prior was perfect. We all knew she had to die and Jon was likely the guy to do it. They executed it well.
Might have helped if Dany had dismissed the Queen’s Guard to allow her a private audience with Jon. Her scene alone in the throne room was more like a vision from the House of Black & White than anything close to reality. So that was dumb, but they topped it in the Dragon Pit. Yikes.
I actually liked the Small Council meeting. Nice reminder that after all the big drama of war and magic, there are bills to pay and a kingdom to rebuild, as there were after Robert’s rebellion and all the wars before and since. As Joffrey’s Hand, Tyrion was just keeping the seat warm for Tywin. Now he’s really doing the job, and might be ready for it.
The final montage was OK. Missed opportunities there, especially the chance to show a visual clue about the White Walker Spirogram as Jon rose north with the Wildlings.
I would say that was the only scene that will stick out as memorable Â
Arya goes on to do whatever the hell she wants...
Bran/ Tyrion/ Sansa et al, sentence john to a nigt's watch that doesn't exist and allows him to live the way he was happiest: north of the wall. Bran being king... whatever, but at least Sansa declared her independence. I really thought this was a great ending to a phenomenal series. And not for nothing, but those of you that are complaining about the last 2 seasons shouldn't be bitching to the showrunners, you should be banging down the door of GRRM. It doesn't take six fucking years to write a book.
The only thing I didn't like was grey worm being appeased so easily. It always seemed to me the unsullied, being eunochs don't want sex, don't want power, don't want material gain, they just want a leaser to be loyal to and orders to follow - they seemed to take pride in their slavery.
thought that was kind of weak.
I wish Bran spoke more, seems like every time he opens his mouth it's like "Confucius says..."
not what I predicted or expected, but no real complaints that are impactful.
better ending than many shows that went this long.
Well said.
RE: RE: Thought they tied it up the best they could Â
That's how I feel. I didn't expect them to sum things up that well in one episode, not that it was something great or amazing but they tied stuff together well enough considering what they had to work with.
Wasn't an amazing finale but it wasn't the worst piece of shit ever which is what most people will say. Most people will be pissed off because characters didn't end up where they wanted them to, though. I think the worst send off was arya's. I guess it's the only thing that makes sense for her character but it's just kind of lame. On the flip side, it's nice to see those characters end up on the council at the end.
Arya didn't want to rule so it made sense she would want to explore/discover the world. Agree with your sentiment.
the only people who wanted Jon punished left Westeros and they still Â
I'm as critical as they come. My wife sometimes "lovingly" calls me "the bitcher."
I railed against three three of the six episodes this season, but I strongly feel that a mob mentality has taken over regarding this show now. I'm not sure what some of you expected. This show was always going to have a bittersweet ending... it was just a matter of who lived and who died. Most of the characters were tragic in nature.
Most of the character arcs felt "right." It felt right for Jamie to die with Cersi. It felt right for Sansa to become queen (of the north). It felt right for Arya to go off on her own. Dany's end was predestined.
After a weak middle, I thought they ended strong. I now want to re-watch it all again to pick up the cues, which are there.
Anyone surprised they had never gone West passed Â
Westeros? I mean you’ve been fighting over the realms all these years. Turns out you could just go west and nobody would bother you. That would have been my escape route in season 4 or 5 if I was Tyrion when he had to be snuck out after killing his father. GO WEST THEY WILL NEVER LOOK FOR US THERE.
Just curious and I know this is a really open-ended question Â
the size of the army ridiculous, I thought the Dothraki were annihilated.
time travel everyone from all parts are there for a councel in a day.
other than that John belonged in the North, Sansa wanted winterfell to be on it's own and was granted, They sure can clean up a devastated city pretty quick
Westeros? I mean you’ve been fighting over the realms all these years. Turns out you could just go west and nobody would bother you. That would have been my escape route in season 4 or 5 if I was Tyrion when he had to be snuck out after killing his father. GO WEST THEY WILL NEVER LOOK FOR US THERE.
For the same reason why it took so long for Europeans to cross the Atlantic.
the size of the army ridiculous, I thought the Dothraki were annihilated.
time travel everyone from all parts are there for a councel in a day.
other than that John belonged in the North, Sansa wanted winterfell to be on it's own and was granted, They sure can clean up a devastated city pretty quick
You didn't pick up the fact that Tyrion was in the cell for weeks. Not only did they mention it, but his beard was much longer.
Again, I haven't read comments yet, but I am VERY pleased with the way that ended.
Agreed! Absolutely, it was tragic, painful, and epic. That whole Grapes of Wrath thing with Dani was absolutely gut-wrenching. The whole episode had a beauty to it.
RE: the only people who wanted Jon punished left Westeros and they still Â
punish Jon? Sure why not, the audience is fucking stupid anyway.
On the other hand, he immediately blows off his punishment and heads north with his injured pet and his best friend, doubtless to father lots of Quarter-dragonblooded children with hot redheads.
RE: RE: Anyone surprised they had never gone West passed Â
Westeros? I mean you’ve been fighting over the realms all these years. Turns out you could just go west and nobody would bother you. That would have been my escape route in season 4 or 5 if I was Tyrion when he had to be snuck out after killing his father. GO WEST THEY WILL NEVER LOOK FOR US THERE.
For the same reason why it took so long for Europeans to cross the Atlantic.
Eh, Targaryens could fly there on their dragons. And the iron island folks never thought about sailing there? I know it’s nitpicking but it was many head scratchers.
RE: the only people who wanted Jon punished left Westeros and they still Â
one of the biggest story lines they were building toward was Jon Snow's true identity (plenty thought it was the biggest story). Did it even really end up impacting the story in any significant way? If he was only King in the North doesn't everything probably still play out the same?
punish Jon? Sure why not, the audience is fucking stupid anyway.
On the other hand, he immediately blows off his punishment and heads north with his injured pet and his best friend, doubtless to father lots of Quarter-dragonblooded children with hot redheads.
Fairly certain all the Nights Watch were dead. And what's there to watch, anyways?
I'm as critical as they come. My wife sometimes "lovingly" calls me "the bitcher."
I railed against three three of the six episodes this season, but I strongly feel that a mob mentality has taken over regarding this show now. I'm not sure what some of you expected. This show was always going to have a bittersweet ending... it was just a matter of who lived and who died. Most of the characters were tragic in nature.
agree 10000000%
Most of the character arcs felt "right." It felt right for Jamie to die with Cersi. It felt right for Sansa to become queen (of the north). It felt right for Arya to go off on her own. Dany's end was predestined.
After a weak middle, I thought they ended strong. I now want to re-watch it all again to pick up the cues, which are there.
RE: Just curious and I know this is a really open-ended question Â
But for those who enjoyed the ending, what would've been a realistic BAD ending in your minds?
Character arcs NOT being tied up correctly? Bad acting? Bad writing? A cute cliff hanger that many shows are annoyingly going to these days? I can go on...
Last week they played her up so much, even though she was just running around escaping death for no real reason. I thought that they were building her up and building up her presence in KL for a reason. Turned out the reason was t turn her into an extra this week so she could grab one more paycheck.
The Bran is king part makes no sense. Nobody but maybe three people on the dais knew his story and likely only those three people had ever heard of the term 3-eyed raven. These big medieval guys are just going to accept a cripple as king because a dwarf they all hated told a story? And, they’re going to put a northerner, who was always an arch enemy of the Iron Born and something completely foreign to the southerners on the throne? Unh-huh.
I do get why it couldn’t be Jon though. The way it played it, no way it could be him.
I, and probably every other person watching, knew that someone was getting knifed in the embrace (a very formulaic, clicheic action for tv, btw) it I was 50-50 on who it was going to be.
But for those who enjoyed the ending, what would've been a realistic BAD ending in your minds?
Character arcs NOT being tied up correctly? Bad acting? Bad writing? A cute cliff hanger that many shows are annoyingly going to these days? I can go on...
So basically what this whole season was...
RE: RE: Just curious and I know this is a really open-ended question Â
But for those who enjoyed the ending, what would've been a realistic BAD ending in your minds?
Character arcs NOT being tied up correctly? Bad acting? Bad writing? A cute cliff hanger that many shows are annoyingly going to these days? I can go on...
well, you *did* get bad acting and bad writing. So, it must be all or none for you. (I suspect you’re fibbing. You would have applauded a test pattern).
I guess Jon killing Dany is the third “holy shit” moment that GRRM told the show runners.
I think the 3rd oh shit moment last week. This week was highly predictable after the bells rung last week..
Overall this was good.. the problems over the past 2 season had to do with pacing.. and not showing the proper character development to get Dany from khaleesi to Mad Queen.. but outside of that the overall story and the show was really good.
one of the biggest story lines they were building toward was Jon Snow's true identity (plenty thought it was the biggest story). Did it even really end up impacting the story in any significant way? If he was only King in the North doesn't everything probably still play out the same?
Sure it did. It prevented a Jon-Dany union earlier, and directly led to her conclusion that she could only rule by fear. The word was already out on Jon. The tragedy of her character was that in many ways, she was right. It also became ironic that the woman who was born of royal blood in that land ultimately was perceived as an outsider at the head of a foreign invaders.
Dany was the epitome of the tragic figure. In some ways, a tragic heroine who outlived her usefulness as soon as the undead were destroyed. There are many parallels to this in Greek mythology, American Westerns, and hell even Dirty Harry.
There are people who try to act upon the world they have and people who just observe.
Many of the end crew had ambition in their arc. Many moved through the narrative by making choices and acting upon those choices. The books are about those who act
To me, Bran the Broken ( who makes no choices and is the very definition of an observers observer) is a way to appease all the fans who would have jumped out a tower window if their fave did not win.
This ending set up the maximum number of sequels and had the maximum number of characters live.
Im glad some degree of merit within an oligarchy replaces inheritance in the mad world but other than that, notice the ending served to start spinoffs?
Thankfully, that pirate cartoon character wont be in one of them
Epic episode. Dany's death scene had a beautiful and painful Â
But for those who enjoyed the ending, what would've been a realistic BAD ending in your minds?
Character arcs NOT being tied up correctly? Bad acting? Bad writing? A cute cliff hanger that many shows are annoyingly going to these days? I can go on...
well, you *did* get bad acting and bad writing. So, it must be all or none for you. (I suspect you’re fibbing. You would have applauded a test pattern).
When I realized the scene In front of the tribunal wasn’t a dream of Tyrion’s and it was really happening I thought maybe Bron would turn into the NK. Then it just kept going where it was heading. It’s the how they got to the end that was just flat.
So what? Dany was his mother.
If you saw a relative kill your mother, you would look the other way?
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Dany, the dragons, the Dothraki, and Unsullied did the heavy lifting against the supposed existential threat in the Night King, then everyone said, "Thank GOD" she's gone.
I'm salty... forgive me. Everyone at that meeting would've been dead if not for her and no one gave her a second thought except Yara.
Wow, you're really wrapped up in this fictional character Dany, aren't you? Relative of the actress?
You're commenting on a fictional show too. Don't pretend you're on a higher plane of rationality.
The only thing I didn't like was grey worm being appeased so easily. It always seemed to me the unsullied, being eunochs don't want sex, don't want power, don't want material gain, they just want a leaser to be loyal to and orders to follow - they seemed to take pride in their slavery.
thought that was kind of weak.
I wish Bran spoke more, seems like every time he opens his mouth it's like "Confucius says..."
not what I predicted or expected, but no real complaints that are impactful.
better ending than many shows that went this long.
That's how I feel. I didn't expect them to sum things up that well in one episode, not that it was something great or amazing but they tied stuff together well enough considering what they had to work with.
Wasn't an amazing finale but it wasn't the worst piece of shit ever which is what most people will say. Most people will be pissed off because characters didn't end up where they wanted them to, though. I think the worst send off was arya's. I guess it's the only thing that makes sense for her character but it's just kind of lame. On the flip side, it's nice to see those characters end up on the council at the end.
Eric I’m glad you loved it but the whole world knew this ending would happen save Bran become top ruler.
Like I previously said I’m glad you few people out there who liked it, can go to sleep with a big smile of contentment. For what it’s worth, I’m sure this will be the lowest rated episode of all of them.
Glad you liked it.
My only surprise/gripe was the Bran/Jon angle. Thought Jon should have been the kind but then people would have just said it was even more obvious and predictable. In the end, the Starks all ended up going out the way they wanted it seemed.
The Dany/Dragon stuff prior was perfect. We all knew she had to die and Jon was likely the guy to do it. They executed it well.
I actually liked the Small Council meeting. Nice reminder that after all the big drama of war and magic, there are bills to pay and a kingdom to rebuild, as there were after Robert’s rebellion and all the wars before and since. As Joffrey’s Hand, Tyrion was just keeping the seat warm for Tywin. Now he’s really doing the job, and might be ready for it.
The final montage was OK. Missed opportunities there, especially the chance to show a visual clue about the White Walker Spirogram as Jon rose north with the Wildlings.
That was a great scene. The rest? Garbage. Utter garbage.
And Bran being the King just...flat-out sucks. I thought he was consistently the worst character on the show.
Bran/ Tyrion/ Sansa et al, sentence john to a nigt's watch that doesn't exist and allows him to live the way he was happiest: north of the wall. Bran being king... whatever, but at least Sansa declared her independence. I really thought this was a great ending to a phenomenal series. And not for nothing, but those of you that are complaining about the last 2 seasons shouldn't be bitching to the showrunners, you should be banging down the door of GRRM. It doesn't take six fucking years to write a book.
The only thing I didn't like was grey worm being appeased so easily. It always seemed to me the unsullied, being eunochs don't want sex, don't want power, don't want material gain, they just want a leaser to be loyal to and orders to follow - they seemed to take pride in their slavery.
thought that was kind of weak.
I wish Bran spoke more, seems like every time he opens his mouth it's like "Confucius says..."
not what I predicted or expected, but no real complaints that are impactful.
better ending than many shows that went this long.
Well said.
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Not bad at all.
That's how I feel. I didn't expect them to sum things up that well in one episode, not that it was something great or amazing but they tied stuff together well enough considering what they had to work with.
Wasn't an amazing finale but it wasn't the worst piece of shit ever which is what most people will say. Most people will be pissed off because characters didn't end up where they wanted them to, though. I think the worst send off was arya's. I guess it's the only thing that makes sense for her character but it's just kind of lame. On the flip side, it's nice to see those characters end up on the council at the end.
Arya didn't want to rule so it made sense she would want to explore/discover the world. Agree with your sentiment.
Yeah...that was kinda dumb.
- Bran the Broken
Ive not been as critical of other episodes as some others have been, but this ending was dumb.
I railed against three three of the six episodes this season, but I strongly feel that a mob mentality has taken over regarding this show now. I'm not sure what some of you expected. This show was always going to have a bittersweet ending... it was just a matter of who lived and who died. Most of the characters were tragic in nature.
Most of the character arcs felt "right." It felt right for Jamie to die with Cersi. It felt right for Sansa to become queen (of the north). It felt right for Arya to go off on her own. Dany's end was predestined.
After a weak middle, I thought they ended strong. I now want to re-watch it all again to pick up the cues, which are there.
time travel everyone from all parts are there for a councel in a day.
other than that John belonged in the North, Sansa wanted winterfell to be on it's own and was granted, They sure can clean up a devastated city pretty quick
For the same reason why it took so long for Europeans to cross the Atlantic.
Lol Inspector Drogon checked out the murder scene and concluded it was an accident and melts a chair instead.
time travel everyone from all parts are there for a councel in a day.
other than that John belonged in the North, Sansa wanted winterfell to be on it's own and was granted, They sure can clean up a devastated city pretty quick
You didn't pick up the fact that Tyrion was in the cell for weeks. Not only did they mention it, but his beard was much longer.
Agreed! Absolutely, it was tragic, painful, and epic. That whole Grapes of Wrath thing with Dani was absolutely gut-wrenching. The whole episode had a beauty to it.
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Westeros? I mean you’ve been fighting over the realms all these years. Turns out you could just go west and nobody would bother you. That would have been my escape route in season 4 or 5 if I was Tyrion when he had to be snuck out after killing his father. GO WEST THEY WILL NEVER LOOK FOR US THERE.
For the same reason why it took so long for Europeans to cross the Atlantic.
Eh, Targaryens could fly there on their dragons. And the iron island folks never thought about sailing there? I know it’s nitpicking but it was many head scratchers.
- Bran the Broken
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punish Jon? Sure why not, the audience is fucking stupid anyway.
On the other hand, he immediately blows off his punishment and heads north with his injured pet and his best friend, doubtless to father lots of Quarter-dragonblooded children with hot redheads.
Fairly certain all the Nights Watch were dead. And what's there to watch, anyways?
I railed against three three of the six episodes this season, but I strongly feel that a mob mentality has taken over regarding this show now. I'm not sure what some of you expected. This show was always going to have a bittersweet ending... it was just a matter of who lived and who died. Most of the characters were tragic in nature.
agree 10000000%
Most of the character arcs felt "right." It felt right for Jamie to die with Cersi. It felt right for Sansa to become queen (of the north). It felt right for Arya to go off on her own. Dany's end was predestined.
After a weak middle, I thought they ended strong. I now want to re-watch it all again to pick up the cues, which are there.
Character arcs NOT being tied up correctly? Bad acting? Bad writing? A cute cliff hanger that many shows are annoyingly going to these days? I can go on...
The Bran is king part makes no sense. Nobody but maybe three people on the dais knew his story and likely only those three people had ever heard of the term 3-eyed raven. These big medieval guys are just going to accept a cripple as king because a dwarf they all hated told a story? And, they’re going to put a northerner, who was always an arch enemy of the Iron Born and something completely foreign to the southerners on the throne? Unh-huh.
I do get why it couldn’t be Jon though. The way it played it, no way it could be him.
I, and probably every other person watching, knew that someone was getting knifed in the embrace (a very formulaic, clicheic action for tv, btw) it I was 50-50 on who it was going to be.
ISN'T THAT PRECIOUS?
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But for those who enjoyed the ending, what would've been a realistic BAD ending in your minds?
Character arcs NOT being tied up correctly? Bad acting? Bad writing? A cute cliff hanger that many shows are annoyingly going to these days? I can go on...
So basically what this whole season was...
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But for those who enjoyed the ending, what would've been a realistic BAD ending in your minds?
Character arcs NOT being tied up correctly? Bad acting? Bad writing? A cute cliff hanger that many shows are annoyingly going to these days? I can go on...
I guess Jon killing Dany is the third “holy shit” moment that GRRM told the show runners.
I think the 3rd oh shit moment last week. This week was highly predictable after the bells rung last week..
Overall this was good.. the problems over the past 2 season had to do with pacing.. and not showing the proper character development to get Dany from khaleesi to Mad Queen.. but outside of that the overall story and the show was really good.
Sure it did. It prevented a Jon-Dany union earlier, and directly led to her conclusion that she could only rule by fear. The word was already out on Jon. The tragedy of her character was that in many ways, she was right. It also became ironic that the woman who was born of royal blood in that land ultimately was perceived as an outsider at the head of a foreign invaders.
Dany was the epitome of the tragic figure. In some ways, a tragic heroine who outlived her usefulness as soon as the undead were destroyed. There are many parallels to this in Greek mythology, American Westerns, and hell even Dirty Harry.
Many of the end crew had ambition in their arc. Many moved through the narrative by making choices and acting upon those choices. The books are about those who act
To me, Bran the Broken ( who makes no choices and is the very definition of an observers observer) is a way to appease all the fans who would have jumped out a tower window if their fave did not win.
This ending set up the maximum number of sequels and had the maximum number of characters live.
Im glad some degree of merit within an oligarchy replaces inheritance in the mad world but other than that, notice the ending served to start spinoffs?
Thankfully, that pirate cartoon character wont be in one of them
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But for those who enjoyed the ending, what would've been a realistic BAD ending in your minds?
Character arcs NOT being tied up correctly? Bad acting? Bad writing? A cute cliff hanger that many shows are annoyingly going to these days? I can go on...
well, you *did* get bad acting and bad writing. So, it must be all or none for you. (I suspect you’re fibbing. You would have applauded a test pattern).
In this episode? Nope. Dont feel like I did.
So....?