Nitro, I'm pretty sure you went into tonight's season finale already convinced it would suck.
I enjoyed it. Others on this thread did as well. You didn't. Others didn't as well.
I suspect the appeal of this show will only grow with time after about a 6-month bitch-fest.
I mean by tonight there was only so much recovering from the irrevocable tailspin they had been diving in for half a 'season'. Again - it's not the conclusions they drew, for the most part they're all... fine. It's the unearned and rushed paths they used to get there.
The final three seasons suffered from a drop in writing but mostly suffered from awful pacing which directly contradicted the show's time rules and approach which preceded it. A season to get to King's Landing early on - now you can teleport as the plot demands.
I actually anticipate the opposite - what's going to happen is people who didn't watch will ask their friends who did if they should bother, and it's hard to recommend something which despite it's high points basically finished in such an anti-climatic blue balls. This is Lost 2.0, and what's the lasting legacy of that show?
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The same mob often blindly rejected ANY criticism. You saw it here on BBI, not just social media platforms across the net. As if on cue, the mob seems to have determined that the popular thing now is to bash the show. Despite the multitudes of warnings about Dany (which Tyrion ACTUALLY highlight in TONIGHT'S episode) you have millions of people out there who can't accept the obvious realistic path she took... it's like they somehow are personally offended by it all... very bizarre.
1. I think the simpler explanation is that the show just declined substantially in quality. That same mob probably watched Breaking Bad. Where was the mass outcry when that ended? Some weren't completely satisfied, but the overall reviews for the final season and the series were outstanding. It was a well written show that didn't leave any loose ends, didn't build characters for years only to fumble for an ending. The reviews for GoT final two seasons, professionals and fans, are mixed at best. By the way, the mob includes the cast of the show.
2. While many are shocked and upset by Dany, I would argue more people are in the camp that the show generally just did a poor job bringing everything to the screen. There was a building criticism of the show from last season until before Dany turned. How do you explain that? That's not just emotional attachment to one character.
it think it’s pretty much what I said earlier. They turned it over to tv people who turned it into a tv show
But at least they discarded the idea of Bran giving a king’s acceptance speech and thanking his second family, like Meera, Hodar, Howard, and Raj.
I liked it a lot. Jon's ending was weak but other than that I thought it was a really good ending.
Also, how about a big FUCK YOU to Joey in Va for a massive spoiler post earlier on this thread without warning. I wasn't here to read it so it didn't affect me but I'm sure he helped to ruin the ending for many who did. I hope this helped to scratch a little bit of that misanthropic itch for a while.
I think GRRM checked out on GOT years ago. Even if he was "consulted", his just saying "yup, sounds good to me" is no writing. He set story lines in motion that he had no clue on the endings of, and accepted a Big Paycheck to nod and smile about the BS we saw tonight.
(1) Breaking Bad and Game of Thrones are completely different animals. Somehow, Game of Thrones has taken on a cultural importance with people losing their minds over the SJW interpretation of it alone. Christ, people have been naming their babies after Dany and other characters.
(2) When I came on BBI after episode #1 and #3 of this season and criticized it, people on this site jumped down my throat. Something really snapped around episode #4 and #5 for most people. The herd went in the opposite direction. What's funny is you have Star Wars YouTubers out there mocking the show, and yet they freely admit they don't even watch. Everyone seems to be jumping on the bandwagon now.
I stick with my original criticisms: episodes #1, #3, and #4 could have been done far better. But I really enjoyed #2, #5, and #6. The highlight was #5. I'll always remember that episode for it's sheer impact from start to finish with multiple characters (the scene where Jamie and Tyrion part is superb for example). My main criticism overall was the pacing. But the end made sense to me. Tragic sense. It wasn't a Hollywood finish. It was bittersweet.
RE: IMHO, the problem with the series always was Â
that GRRM had NO IDEA how this was going to end. He kept going off on tangents in the books, and I very much doubt that he'll ever finish the books. So the HBO writers did what HBO writers do, they cobbled together some BS ending that sort of, kind of, if you overlook a lot of things makes sense ending. Can't blame the series for ending up rather lame when GRRM has no vision on the ending.
Lol, I can just imagine GRRM reading the internet and saying "Note to self: the last two books should be very different from the show."
Also, how about a big FUCK YOU to Joey in Va for a massive spoiler post earlier on this thread without warning. I wasn't here to read it so it didn't affect me but I'm sure he helped to ruin the ending for many who did. I hope this helped to scratch a little bit of that misanthropic itch for a while.
A huge douche move.
I actually saw his post earlier today, but was just skimming the thread and didn't really commit it to memory.
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saves Tyrion's life, then Tyrion is named hand of the king while Jon is sent back into exile as a tortured soul instead of taking his rightful place as king? I'm not one of the "mob" bitching about the show, but it was tough seeing that play out. And why the hell didn't Sam speak up on his behalf?
One other gripe: if Bran was to be king, the show should've spent more time with him (as the books do). The character was sidelined for an entire season while we suffered through Grey Worm and Missandei's brutal love story and other filler.
(1) Breaking Bad and Game of Thrones are completely different animals. Somehow, Game of Thrones has taken on a cultural importance with people losing their minds over the SJW interpretation of it alone. Christ, people have been naming their babies after Dany and other characters.
(2) When I came on BBI after episode #1 and #3 of this season and criticized it, people on this site jumped down my throat. Something really snapped around episode #4 and #5 for most people. The herd went in the opposite direction. What's funny is you have Star Wars YouTubers out there mocking the show, and yet they freely admit they don't even watch. Everyone seems to be jumping on the bandwagon now.
I stick with my original criticisms: episodes #1, #3, and #4 could have been done far better. But I really enjoyed #2, #5, and #6. The highlight was #5. I'll always remember that episode for it's sheer impact from start to finish with multiple characters (the scene where Jamie and Tyrion part is superb for example). My main criticism overall was the pacing. But the end made sense to me. Tragic sense. It wasn't a Hollywood finish. It was bittersweet.
I have to admit I am taking great pleasure in all the people who named their daughters "Khaleesi."
I think the Star Wars link is that D&D are going to be the writer/directors of future Star Wars movies. I know some of my Star Wars buds are not happy at that prospect now.
Agree to disagree on the show, but I'm glad it was satisfying to someone.
Also, how about a big FUCK YOU to Joey in Va for a massive spoiler post earlier on this thread without warning. I wasn't here to read it so it didn't affect me but I'm sure he helped to ruin the ending for many who did. I hope this helped to scratch a little bit of that misanthropic itch for a while.
A huge douche move.
I actually saw his post earlier today, but was just skimming the thread and didn't really commit it to memory.
I posted a warning. It’s inevitable that someone would post a spoiler, that’s just the nature of message boards.
RE: So Tyrion manipulates Jon into killing Dany, which conveniently Â
One other gripe: if Bran was to be king, the show should've spent more time with him (as the books do). The character was sidelined for an entire season while we suffered through Grey Worm and Missandei's brutal love story and other filler.
amen. They cut out good content from the books and/or spending time with more critical characters/plots from the show, but we have to endure filler like that. Greyworm has to be the worst character on the show and those scenes are just brutal
I liked it a lot. Jon's ending was weak but other than that I thought it was a really good ending.
Also, how about a big FUCK YOU to Joey in Va for a massive spoiler post earlier on this thread without warning. I wasn't here to read it so it didn't affect me but I'm sure he helped to ruin the ending for many who did. I hope this helped to scratch a little bit of that misanthropic itch for a while.
just like those that spoiled the Avengers Endgame ending. F U
Also, how about a big FUCK YOU to Joey in Va for a massive spoiler post earlier on this thread without warning. I wasn't here to read it so it didn't affect me but I'm sure he helped to ruin the ending for many who did. I hope this helped to scratch a little bit of that misanthropic itch for a while.
A huge douche move.
I actually saw his post earlier today, but was just skimming the thread and didn't really commit it to memory.
Intentionally stayed off the internet today to avoid that, but really sad to hear someone did that on BBI, which is generally pretty good about such things. Fuck him for posting spoilers.
As for the ending, I’m fine with it. Predictable, sure. After Dany’s death, they really could have used another episode to play out the ending, but oh well.
High notes of the finale: Brienne finishing Jaime’s page, Sansa holding out for independence, and the final small council meeting was amusing.
Shows that get this big are almost impossible to write to a satisfying ending. I figured this thread would turn into a colossal bitch fest, which is of course every fan’s right. But I also agree a lot of folks (not just here) have gone way over the top with the obsessive criticism.
But whatever...it’s been fun discussing the show on here with y’all over the years.
I mean by tonight there was only so much recovering from the irrevocable tailspin they had been diving in for half a 'season'. Again - it's not the conclusions they drew, for the most part they're all... fine. It's the unearned and rushed paths they used to get there.
I think that's pretty spot on. If you had told me after season 5 that Dany would wind up turning mad, Jon's destiny was to stop her, Tyrion would become Hand of the King, and Bran would be the king, I would have been fine with it and thought it all plausible. I would have been most doubtful of Bran's ending, but they obviously were trying to build him up to be something important in books and show.
How they got there and the fact that D&D asked for the last two seasons to be shorter is a mystery to me.
The dragons are much smarter and perceptive than some posters realize and this was explained on the show (as someone above pointed out)
Overall I thought the ep itself was a little boring but I feel that way about most of the last eps in each season. The penultimate ep is always the best of each season and that was the case this season. I liked most of the character endings (Sansa, brienne, jon, sam, and Tyrion). Really glad Tyrion didn’t go out and got some redemption after bumbling around the last season or two
Agree on Brienne succeeding Jaime as Lord Commander and finishing his entry and Sansa remaining independent. But brutal backhand from Sansa to Bran before the, uh, election. Lol.
Oh and yeah, Joey's behavior was pathetic as usual Â
spoiling the show's finale is purely mean-spirited. Old idiot acts so tough here as if people don't have memories about him bleating about downturns in his personal life. We know who you really are, bro.
Wasn't specifically addressed in the show, but the spiral patterns of the white walkers seem very similar the Targaryen banner with the 3-headed dragon forming a spiral shape. And recall that the Night King was immune to the fire from Dany's dragon - it may just be that the Night King is also of Targaryen ancestry.
So why did the show keep making a big deal of something that is never explained?
I think they showed the pattern maybe 3 or 4 times over the course of the series. I never thought it was a big deal - just figured that it was some sort of trademark that they tend leave.
It was explained I believe by the writers that the circle pattern was the symbol of the children of the forest and basically the NK giving them the equivalent of the finger
that the killing of the Masters of Astapor (for example) was somehow a prescient warning for Dany deciding to kill innocent people in King's Landing in episode 72 of 73. If that was always her fate, then they needed to do a better job of showing that part of her character. Hell, why did she waste any time fighting the Night King when she could've dismissed Cersei and sat on the throne last season? It doesn't make much sense.
The Starks sure made out well.
Whatever happened to Ellaria Sand?
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'Note to self: the last two books should be very different from the show.'" No, but I can see GRRM downing a 3rd Pina Colada on some Caribbean Island and saying "WTF do I care: Jon Snow is king, or not, the North is independent, or a vassal.... Never really got that far myself and, ya know, I got mine $$$ now so...whatever".
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One other gripe: if Bran was to be king, the show should've spent more time with him (as the books do). The character was sidelined for an entire season while we suffered through Grey Worm and Missandei's brutal love story and other filler.
amen. They cut out good content from the books and/or spending time with more critical characters/plots from the show, but we have to endure filler like that. Greyworm has to be the worst character on the show and those scenes are just brutal
That and also Dany’s speech saying that she gets to choose to rule the masses with mass murder. Writers made her into Stalin to justify the abrupt assasination.
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My question is, where the hell was everyone going in that last shot? What's north of the wall?
After the battle of Winterfell, Tormund said he would take his people back North of the wall to wander. He also dropped the line to Jon that he has the “real” North in him.
I think what they were going for in the end was Jon was miserable after what he had to do (kill Dany), then by being sent back to Castle Black. But once he went North of the wall again with the free folk, he realized they were his actually people and he was going home.
The council laughed at Sam’s idea of the people choosing their ruler Â
One other gripe: if Bran was to be king, the show should've spent more time with him (as the books do). The character was sidelined for an entire season while we suffered through Grey Worm and Missandei's brutal love story and other filler.
amen. They cut out good content from the books and/or spending time with more critical characters/plots from the show, but we have to endure filler like that. Greyworm has to be the worst character on the show and those scenes are just brutal
That and also Dany’s speech saying that she gets to choose to rule the masses with mass murder. Writers made her into Stalin to justify the abrupt assasination.
A true Stalin would never let herself be assassinated so easily. These types are paranoid of everyone. There's a reason for the purges and night of long knives type stuff. Dany wasn't really that way. Maybe in time she would have been but the writers didn't really show us that. The turn last week just didn't work for me and that made tonight's show inevitably a fail.
And hard to think which is lamer Bran as King or Tyrion getting to play king maker. Very unlike early Game of Thrones where power would have decided these things not speeches. The Unsullied and Dothraki seemingly had a lot of troops however implausible that seems after the Battle of Winterfell and they just abdicate it and say yeah okay, we'll leave and let this kid take over and let Tyrion who betrayed our beloved Queen and Jon who killed her off the hook? Didn't buy it.
They also left a pretty big plot hole with the remaining Dothraki Â
Their entire existence is based on raping and pillaging, but they agreed to follow Daenerys. Are we to assume after she gets murdered they’ll agree to live and serve peacefully under King Bran? More likely they’ll go back to Essos, but we’ll never know.
I should really stop pondering these things and live with the ending
- Tyrion’s line about ask me in ten years if killing Dany was right
- The banter, and seeming pointlessness of the high council discussion post Dany
- Jon feeling empty after the deed and after his hemorrhage of power
The season (and ending) was deeply unsatisfying, which is likely the point.
At the end of the day what the people want is a warm bed and freedom from war/death and Bran was the compromise candidate that everyone could tolerate.
Still think the whole night king thing was bungled and mostly seemed pointless
Night King was supposed to be an existential threat, Â
but was really pointless. Killing him didn't even create any goodwill among the parties involved. All the storyline did was get people Dany cared about killed after she went north as opposed to just getting rid of Cersei ASAP.
Sansa got to declare independence. Why couldn't Yara say, "Oh wait... that's an option? I want to be independent too!"
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Of building up Jons history, and his true identity...then no one cared to mention it when they are picking a new leader. No one thought of him as an option. Hes the actual King, or should be. I would have been ok if they had offered it and he turned it down, but why didnt someone at least mention it?
Of building up Jons history, and his true identity...then no one cared to mention it when they are picking a new leader. No one thought of him as an option. Hes the actual King, or should be. I would have been ok if they had offered it and he turned it down, but why didnt someone at least mention it?
Yeah, that was handled terribly. Why didn't Sam speak up on Jon's behalf? Jon should've told Tyrion, Bran, Grey Worm and the rest to go home and get their shine boxes.
Of building up Jons history, and his true identity...then no one cared to mention it when they are picking a new leader. No one thought of him as an option. Hes the actual King, or should be. I would have been ok if they had offered it and he turned it down, but why didnt someone at least mention it?
Yeah, that was handled terribly. Why didn't Sam speak up on Jon's behalf? Jon should've told Tyrion, Bran, Grey Worm and the rest to go home and get their shine boxes.
Yea...someone could have at least mentioned the fact that Jon is actually Aegon Targaryen and has claim to the throne.
Not saying he had to be the King, but no one thought that was important??? The only reason it was written into the show was to drive a wedge between him and Dany?
Nitro, I'm pretty sure you went into tonight's season finale already convinced it would suck.
I enjoyed it. Others on this thread did as well. You didn't. Others didn't as well.
I suspect the appeal of this show will only grow with time after about a 6-month bitch-fest.
I mean by tonight there was only so much recovering from the irrevocable tailspin they had been diving in for half a 'season'. Again - it's not the conclusions they drew, for the most part they're all... fine. It's the unearned and rushed paths they used to get there.
The final three seasons suffered from a drop in writing but mostly suffered from awful pacing which directly contradicted the show's time rules and approach which preceded it. A season to get to King's Landing early on - now you can teleport as the plot demands.
I actually anticipate the opposite - what's going to happen is people who didn't watch will ask their friends who did if they should bother, and it's hard to recommend something which despite it's high points basically finished in such an anti-climatic blue balls. This is Lost 2.0, and what's the lasting legacy of that show?
That was a great scene. The rest? Garbage. Utter garbage.
And Bran being the King just...flat-out sucks. I thought he was consistently the worst character on the show.
I'm still on PST, debating about whether I'll watch this tonight or will just catch up on Chernobyl after I put the kids to bed.
Reading about Bran being king makes me feel I won't bother until tomorrow.
Here I was all week thinking a building fell on them. Head fake!
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The same mob often blindly rejected ANY criticism. You saw it here on BBI, not just social media platforms across the net. As if on cue, the mob seems to have determined that the popular thing now is to bash the show. Despite the multitudes of warnings about Dany (which Tyrion ACTUALLY highlight in TONIGHT'S episode) you have millions of people out there who can't accept the obvious realistic path she took... it's like they somehow are personally offended by it all... very bizarre.
1. I think the simpler explanation is that the show just declined substantially in quality. That same mob probably watched Breaking Bad. Where was the mass outcry when that ended? Some weren't completely satisfied, but the overall reviews for the final season and the series were outstanding. It was a well written show that didn't leave any loose ends, didn't build characters for years only to fumble for an ending. The reviews for GoT final two seasons, professionals and fans, are mixed at best. By the way, the mob includes the cast of the show.
2. While many are shocked and upset by Dany, I would argue more people are in the camp that the show generally just did a poor job bringing everything to the screen. There was a building criticism of the show from last season until before Dany turned. How do you explain that? That's not just emotional attachment to one character.
But at least they discarded the idea of Bran giving a king’s acceptance speech and thanking his second family, like Meera, Hodar, Howard, and Raj.
Also, how about a big FUCK YOU to Joey in Va for a massive spoiler post earlier on this thread without warning. I wasn't here to read it so it didn't affect me but I'm sure he helped to ruin the ending for many who did. I hope this helped to scratch a little bit of that misanthropic itch for a while.
Here I was all week thinking a building fell on them. Head fake!
yea that was pretty dumb too. if only they took 5 steps to the left they could have lived
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Tyrion going through the rubble and finding his sister and brother and then breaking down.
That was a great scene. The rest? Garbage. Utter garbage.
And Bran being the King just...flat-out sucks. I thought he was consistently the worst character on the show.
I'm still on PST, debating about whether I'll watch this tonight or will just catch up on Chernobyl after I put the kids to bed.
Reading about Bran being king makes me feel I won't bother until tomorrow.
Chernobyl is good, but MY LORD is it depressing. (Not that I was expecting Seinfeld, but it's grimmer than grim.)
(2) When I came on BBI after episode #1 and #3 of this season and criticized it, people on this site jumped down my throat. Something really snapped around episode #4 and #5 for most people. The herd went in the opposite direction. What's funny is you have Star Wars YouTubers out there mocking the show, and yet they freely admit they don't even watch. Everyone seems to be jumping on the bandwagon now.
I stick with my original criticisms: episodes #1, #3, and #4 could have been done far better. But I really enjoyed #2, #5, and #6. The highlight was #5. I'll always remember that episode for it's sheer impact from start to finish with multiple characters (the scene where Jamie and Tyrion part is superb for example). My main criticism overall was the pacing. But the end made sense to me. Tragic sense. It wasn't a Hollywood finish. It was bittersweet.
Lol, I can just imagine GRRM reading the internet and saying "Note to self: the last two books should be very different from the show."
A huge douche move.
I actually saw his post earlier today, but was just skimming the thread and didn't really commit it to memory.
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Tyrion going through the rubble and finding his sister and brother and then breaking down.
That was a great scene. The rest? Garbage. Utter garbage.
And Bran being the King just...flat-out sucks. I thought he was consistently the worst character on the show.
I'm still on PST, debating about whether I'll watch this tonight or will just catch up on Chernobyl after I put the kids to bed.
Reading about Bran being king makes me feel I won't bother until tomorrow.
Why the hell would you go on this thread before watching it?
One other gripe: if Bran was to be king, the show should've spent more time with him (as the books do). The character was sidelined for an entire season while we suffered through Grey Worm and Missandei's brutal love story and other filler.
(2) When I came on BBI after episode #1 and #3 of this season and criticized it, people on this site jumped down my throat. Something really snapped around episode #4 and #5 for most people. The herd went in the opposite direction. What's funny is you have Star Wars YouTubers out there mocking the show, and yet they freely admit they don't even watch. Everyone seems to be jumping on the bandwagon now.
I stick with my original criticisms: episodes #1, #3, and #4 could have been done far better. But I really enjoyed #2, #5, and #6. The highlight was #5. I'll always remember that episode for it's sheer impact from start to finish with multiple characters (the scene where Jamie and Tyrion part is superb for example). My main criticism overall was the pacing. But the end made sense to me. Tragic sense. It wasn't a Hollywood finish. It was bittersweet.
I have to admit I am taking great pleasure in all the people who named their daughters "Khaleesi."
I think the Star Wars link is that D&D are going to be the writer/directors of future Star Wars movies. I know some of my Star Wars buds are not happy at that prospect now.
Agree to disagree on the show, but I'm glad it was satisfying to someone.
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Also, how about a big FUCK YOU to Joey in Va for a massive spoiler post earlier on this thread without warning. I wasn't here to read it so it didn't affect me but I'm sure he helped to ruin the ending for many who did. I hope this helped to scratch a little bit of that misanthropic itch for a while.
A huge douche move.
I actually saw his post earlier today, but was just skimming the thread and didn't really commit it to memory.
I posted a warning. It’s inevitable that someone would post a spoiler, that’s just the nature of message boards.
amen. They cut out good content from the books and/or spending time with more critical characters/plots from the show, but we have to endure filler like that. Greyworm has to be the worst character on the show and those scenes are just brutal
Also, how about a big FUCK YOU to Joey in Va for a massive spoiler post earlier on this thread without warning. I wasn't here to read it so it didn't affect me but I'm sure he helped to ruin the ending for many who did. I hope this helped to scratch a little bit of that misanthropic itch for a while.
just like those that spoiled the Avengers Endgame ending. F U
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Also, how about a big FUCK YOU to Joey in Va for a massive spoiler post earlier on this thread without warning. I wasn't here to read it so it didn't affect me but I'm sure he helped to ruin the ending for many who did. I hope this helped to scratch a little bit of that misanthropic itch for a while.
A huge douche move.
I actually saw his post earlier today, but was just skimming the thread and didn't really commit it to memory.
Intentionally stayed off the internet today to avoid that, but really sad to hear someone did that on BBI, which is generally pretty good about such things. Fuck him for posting spoilers.
As for the ending, I’m fine with it. Predictable, sure. After Dany’s death, they really could have used another episode to play out the ending, but oh well.
High notes of the finale: Brienne finishing Jaime’s page, Sansa holding out for independence, and the final small council meeting was amusing.
Shows that get this big are almost impossible to write to a satisfying ending. I figured this thread would turn into a colossal bitch fest, which is of course every fan’s right. But I also agree a lot of folks (not just here) have gone way over the top with the obsessive criticism.
But whatever...it’s been fun discussing the show on here with y’all over the years.
I mean by tonight there was only so much recovering from the irrevocable tailspin they had been diving in for half a 'season'. Again - it's not the conclusions they drew, for the most part they're all... fine. It's the unearned and rushed paths they used to get there.
I think that's pretty spot on. If you had told me after season 5 that Dany would wind up turning mad, Jon's destiny was to stop her, Tyrion would become Hand of the King, and Bran would be the king, I would have been fine with it and thought it all plausible. I would have been most doubtful of Bran's ending, but they obviously were trying to build him up to be something important in books and show.
How they got there and the fact that D&D asked for the last two seasons to be shorter is a mystery to me.
Overall I thought the ep itself was a little boring but I feel that way about most of the last eps in each season. The penultimate ep is always the best of each season and that was the case this season. I liked most of the character endings (Sansa, brienne, jon, sam, and Tyrion). Really glad Tyrion didn’t go out and got some redemption after bumbling around the last season or two
Fuck him.
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To those circular patterns.
Wasn't specifically addressed in the show, but the spiral patterns of the white walkers seem very similar the Targaryen banner with the 3-headed dragon forming a spiral shape. And recall that the Night King was immune to the fire from Dany's dragon - it may just be that the Night King is also of Targaryen ancestry.
So why did the show keep making a big deal of something that is never explained?
I think they showed the pattern maybe 3 or 4 times over the course of the series. I never thought it was a big deal - just figured that it was some sort of trademark that they tend leave.
It was explained I believe by the writers that the circle pattern was the symbol of the children of the forest and basically the NK giving them the equivalent of the finger
The Starks sure made out well.
Whatever happened to Ellaria Sand?
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punish Jon? Sure why not, the audience is fucking stupid anyway.
Punishing Jon was spectacularly idiotic. He goes from THE true heir to...the Night's Watch?
Lol, ok. Whatevs.
Why is there still a Night's Watch?
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One other gripe: if Bran was to be king, the show should've spent more time with him (as the books do). The character was sidelined for an entire season while we suffered through Grey Worm and Missandei's brutal love story and other filler.
amen. They cut out good content from the books and/or spending time with more critical characters/plots from the show, but we have to endure filler like that. Greyworm has to be the worst character on the show and those scenes are just brutal
That and also Dany’s speech saying that she gets to choose to rule the masses with mass murder. Writers made her into Stalin to justify the abrupt assasination.
Why is there still a Night's Watch?
My question is, where the hell was everyone going in that last shot? What's north of the wall?
Whatever happened to Ellaria Sand?
She was cent to the black cells to watch her daughter die slowly and her body rot. Assuming the ceiling collapsed on her if she is still alive
Why is there still a Night's Watch?
Dude, don't ask questions.
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Why is there still a Night's Watch?
My question is, where the hell was everyone going in that last shot? What's north of the wall?
After the battle of Winterfell, Tormund said he would take his people back North of the wall to wander. He also dropped the line to Jon that he has the “real” North in him.
I think what they were going for in the end was Jon was miserable after what he had to do (kill Dany), then by being sent back to Castle Black. But once he went North of the wall again with the free folk, he realized they were his actually people and he was going home.
Fascist elite bastards.
Throw open the gates, let the wildlings settle north or south of the wall, and travel and trade back and forth with each other.
But those kind of logical questionsp needed to be suspended a few seasons ago now
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In comment 14449376 bceagle05 said:
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One other gripe: if Bran was to be king, the show should've spent more time with him (as the books do). The character was sidelined for an entire season while we suffered through Grey Worm and Missandei's brutal love story and other filler.
amen. They cut out good content from the books and/or spending time with more critical characters/plots from the show, but we have to endure filler like that. Greyworm has to be the worst character on the show and those scenes are just brutal
That and also Dany’s speech saying that she gets to choose to rule the masses with mass murder. Writers made her into Stalin to justify the abrupt assasination.
A true Stalin would never let herself be assassinated so easily. These types are paranoid of everyone. There's a reason for the purges and night of long knives type stuff. Dany wasn't really that way. Maybe in time she would have been but the writers didn't really show us that. The turn last week just didn't work for me and that made tonight's show inevitably a fail.
And hard to think which is lamer Bran as King or Tyrion getting to play king maker. Very unlike early Game of Thrones where power would have decided these things not speeches. The Unsullied and Dothraki seemingly had a lot of troops however implausible that seems after the Battle of Winterfell and they just abdicate it and say yeah okay, we'll leave and let this kid take over and let Tyrion who betrayed our beloved Queen and Jon who killed her off the hook? Didn't buy it.
I should really stop pondering these things and live with the ending
- Tyrion’s line about ask me in ten years if killing Dany was right
- The banter, and seeming pointlessness of the high council discussion post Dany
- Jon feeling empty after the deed and after his hemorrhage of power
The season (and ending) was deeply unsatisfying, which is likely the point.
At the end of the day what the people want is a warm bed and freedom from war/death and Bran was the compromise candidate that everyone could tolerate.
Still think the whole night king thing was bungled and mostly seemed pointless
Sansa got to declare independence. Why couldn't Yara say, "Oh wait... that's an option? I want to be independent too!"
Throw open the gates, let the wildlings settle north or south of the wall, and travel and trade back and forth with each other.
But those kind of logical questionsp needed to be suspended a few seasons ago now
Nights watch needs to be repurposed or else Coin Master Bronn will have to cut their budget.
Dexter was bad and I hated it long before the finale.
I cant say that about GOT. I liked it for the most part, until the end. The end sucked.
Yeah, that was handled terribly. Why didn't Sam speak up on Jon's behalf? Jon should've told Tyrion, Bran, Grey Worm and the rest to go home and get their shine boxes.
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Of building up Jons history, and his true identity...then no one cared to mention it when they are picking a new leader. No one thought of him as an option. Hes the actual King, or should be. I would have been ok if they had offered it and he turned it down, but why didnt someone at least mention it?
Yeah, that was handled terribly. Why didn't Sam speak up on Jon's behalf? Jon should've told Tyrion, Bran, Grey Worm and the rest to go home and get their shine boxes.
Yea...someone could have at least mentioned the fact that Jon is actually Aegon Targaryen and has claim to the throne.
Not saying he had to be the King, but no one thought that was important??? The only reason it was written into the show was to drive a wedge between him and Dany?
Stop asking why he didn't have a change of heart after he gutted his aunt in the throne room.
Stop asking why he didn't have a change of heart after he gutted his aunt in the throne room.
Who said he wanted to?
Explain why Bran took it after leading everyone to believe he could never do such a thing?