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Gmanfandan : 5/19/2019 2:24 pm
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RE: well this series blows away the  
PhiPsi125 : 5/19/2019 4:43 pm : link
In comment 14448926 Eric on Li said:
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they have to fire Callaway. 2 years in a row ok start and then a complete nose dive. After getting swept by a team looking to contend to be 1 of the historically worst in more than a decade the organization cannot allow things to go any lower. Period.

Backman never gets MLB jobs for a reason so he's a hard pass from me. Riggleman is unexciting. Apparently they like a less experienced guy on the staff but at this point I think throwing someone into this mess as a first time manager would be borderline criminal. Just like the Marlins did with Jack McKeon, I'd bring back Collins to finish out this year. He's got credibility with most of the room, knows all the players, and twice helped them get them to the playoffs over the second half of seasons.

And BVW needs to figure out a way to keep this Cano situation from spiraling out of control. We've talked about the disastrous future risk he setup, no we've got a disastrous present day risk. We already had 1 mercurial, aging, 20m+ underachiever. Can't turn that into 2.


The “cold weather” is excuse was always BS. Their offense was clicking at a historic level the first few weeks of the season - which also coincides with the coldest part of the season. It’s just a convenient excuse for people who always think the team is better than they actually play.
Riggleman has a .445 career winning pct  
Vanzetti : 5/19/2019 4:58 pm : link
He has only made the postseason once as a manager in 13 years. He was swept in the only playoff series 0-3.
RE: Riggleman has a .445 career winning pct  
Eric on Li : 5/19/2019 5:00 pm : link
In comment 14449018 Vanzetti said:
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He has only made the postseason once as a manager in 13 years. He was swept in the only playoff series 0-3.


Does Alonso  
XBRONX : 5/19/2019 6:08 pm : link
have a tattoo on his wrist that sort of looks like a baseball seam?
Van Wagenen  
Rflairr : 5/19/2019 6:35 pm : link
has been a complete disaster as GM
Collins was an awful manger too.  
Vanzetti : 5/19/2019 6:43 pm : link
Totally ADD.

Mets need to get a real manger. Stop with the bargain basement guys.

Gerardi . Bochy. Guys who will command respect in the clubhouse. Not these clowns the Wilson’s hire because they work cheap.
RE: If you think watching Cano hit 3rd is rough now  
gmenatlarge : 5/19/2019 6:51 pm : link
In comment 14448848 Rob in Rockaway said:
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imagine how rough it's going to be in three years...


Cano as many of us feared, is a disaster, another aging superstar second basemen comes to the Mets to embarass himself. Where have we seen this before?...
Maybe  
spike : 5/19/2019 8:33 pm : link
Willie Randolph will come back if we beg him enough
RE: RE: If you think watching Cano hit 3rd is rough now  
spike : 5/19/2019 8:33 pm : link
In comment 14449121 gmenatlarge said:
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In comment 14448848 Rob in Rockaway said:


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imagine how rough it's going to be in three years...



Cano as many of us feared, is a disaster, another aging superstar second basemen comes to the Mets to embarass himself. Where have we seen this before?...


Robbie Alomar Part deux
or  
spike : 5/19/2019 8:34 pm : link
Carlos Baerga

Luis Castillo
RE: or  
Rob in Rockaway : 5/19/2019 9:18 pm : link
In comment 14449160 spike said:
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Carlos Baerga

Luis Castillo


Exactly and meanwhile we couldn't get rid of Jeff Kent fast enough. We didn't need his 380 HR's and 1,500 RBI
Truly adorable how so many on here  
Knineteen : 5/19/2019 9:36 pm : link
believe that switching coaches or the manager will somehow make this team a contender.

Callaway is nothing more than a sacrificial lamb to buy BVW more time.

Baseball is an individual sport. Stop pretending it's the manager doing something to prevent players from hitting and our CY Young pitcher from being even a decent pitcher this year.

These players just aren't that good.
Oh I see Phi went wild today getting his licks in  
ZGiants98 : 5/19/2019 10:30 pm : link
Shocker. Fucking tool.
Tomorrow should be an interesting day..  
ZGiants98 : 5/19/2019 10:37 pm : link
Mickey is not a good manager so if its his time, good riddance.
RE: Oh I see Phi went wild today getting his licks in  
PhiPsi125 : 5/19/2019 11:35 pm : link
In comment 14449221 ZGiants98 said:
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Shocker. Fucking tool.


LOL

It’s truly amazing at how bad you are at predicting ANYTHING related to the Mets. You are a treasure.

Maybe when the weather warms up you’ll start to “hit” on some of your BS also. But knowing your track record, you should grab your blankey.
RE: If you think watching Cano hit 3rd is rough now  
capone : 5/20/2019 12:52 am : link
In comment 14448848 Rob in Rockaway said:
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imagine how rough it's going to be in three years...


Actually 4 years about 750 more games but at least he’s great in the clubhouse ... wait he’s terrible in the clubhouse ....sorry I
Ike the Mets I wished they did a deal with the Yankees ..

and I was wrong that Alonso was a bad HS first baseman .. the big fella has looked good ... nice kid I’m told ....hope he gets ROY
BVW has to make moves  
Vanzetti : 5/20/2019 2:20 am : link
I would bring up Kay and Pat Mazeika from AA.

Maz has an OPS of 1.076 in May. He is a lefty catcher, which is ideal for a backup. Love Nido's D but the guy just can't hit.

Let Kay start a game or two and see how it goes. Or use him out of the pen.

Get some young guys up there and create some excitement. If they don't work out, send them back down. Nothing to lose.

But it is important for a GM to be active and help change the dynamic. Of course, it would be great if Mets had a Vlkad Jr to call up. But they don't. So go with what you got.

Rosenthal put the Org on a tee & showed some Pete Alonso exit velo  
Eric on Li : 5/20/2019 10:57 am : link
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The Mets, in case you’re wondering, do need to make such a move. While Callaway hardly has distinguished himself in his year-plus at the helm, it’s fair to wonder whether any recent first-time manager — Alex Cora, Aaron Boone, Rocco Baldelli, take your pick — would have survived the Mets’ top-down toxicity. It’s also fair to wonder whether the team’s first-time general manager, Brodie Van Wagenen, will survive it long-term.

Callaway still will be the Mets’ manager on Monday, according to published reports, but that only means the countdown to his demise will continue. Maybe he will be fired at the end of the week, the start of next week or at some point after that in the latest installment of “As The Mets Turn.” It’s a never-ending soap opera in which the Wilpons — Fred and his son Jeff, the most prominent members of the team’s ownership group — are the only recurring characters.

Van Wagenen is more to blame for the Mets’ shortcomings than Callaway, but an inherited manager is always the first to go. And if the Mets’ players like Callaway, as some have publicly indicated, they sure have a funny way of showing it. The players all but walked Callaway to the unemployment line with their embarrassing showing in Miami over the weekend. (It would be inaccurate, of course, to say they ran him there, what with all of Robinson Canó’s confusion about the number of outs on the scoreboard and whether his squibblers would roll fair or foul.)

Losing three straight to the major-league worst Marlins, two by shutout, requires an unusual level of submission. Before the series, the Marlins had won only 10 games all season. Their starting pitcher on Sunday, right-hander Sandy Alcantara, was averaging nearly five walks per nine innings and had a 5.11 ERA. The Mets turned him into Greg Maddux, falling in an 89-pitch, two-hitter that took only one hour, 59 minutes to complete.

Rosenthal: The dysfunctional Mets, who are toxic from the top down, need an accomplished veteran manager - ( New Window )
Hire Backman  
weeg in the bronx : 5/20/2019 11:03 am : link
I said it.
Metro DC BBIers and Met Fans  
Frank in Silver Spring : 5/20/2019 11:48 am : link
Mets and Nats begin a 4-game series today at Nats park. You could argue that both teams' managers are in almost the exact same position. Get swept by the opponent and be gone.
Isn't Backman  
pjcas18 : 5/20/2019 11:50 am : link
batshit crazy?

Isn't that why he was kept at a distance all these years?
RE: Metro DC BBIers and Met Fans  
figgy2989 : 5/20/2019 11:54 am : link
In comment 14449789 Frank in Silver Spring said:
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Mets and Nats begin a 4-game series today at Nats park. You could argue that both teams' managers are in almost the exact same position. Get swept by the opponent and be gone.


4 game set is at Citi Field.
RE: Isn't Backman  
Eric on Li : 5/20/2019 11:55 am : link
In comment 14449792 pjcas18 said:
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batshit crazy?

Isn't that why he was kept at a distance all these years?


yes - us and the rest of the MLB. He seems like exactly what we don't need. I'm with Rosenthal - just hire a veteran who has some track record of leading winning teams (Girardi or Baker would probably be the most obvious 2 options). It may not work but it'd be something new for a change to bring in a competent winning manager.
RE: Rosenthal put the Org on a tee & showed some Pete Alonso exit velo  
gmenatlarge : 5/20/2019 11:56 am : link
In comment 14449723 Eric on Li said:
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The Mets, in case you’re wondering, do need to make such a move. While Callaway hardly has distinguished himself in his year-plus at the helm, it’s fair to wonder whether any recent first-time manager — Alex Cora, Aaron Boone, Rocco Baldelli, take your pick — would have survived the Mets’ top-down toxicity. It’s also fair to wonder whether the team’s first-time general manager, Brodie Van Wagenen, will survive it long-term.

Callaway still will be the Mets’ manager on Monday, according to published reports, but that only means the countdown to his demise will continue. Maybe he will be fired at the end of the week, the start of next week or at some point after that in the latest installment of “As The Mets Turn.” It’s a never-ending soap opera in which the Wilpons — Fred and his son Jeff, the most prominent members of the team’s ownership group — are the only recurring characters.

Van Wagenen is more to blame for the Mets’ shortcomings than Callaway, but an inherited manager is always the first to go. And if the Mets’ players like Callaway, as some have publicly indicated, they sure have a funny way of showing it. The players all but walked Callaway to the unemployment line with their embarrassing showing in Miami over the weekend. (It would be inaccurate, of course, to say they ran him there, what with all of Robinson Canó’s confusion about the number of outs on the scoreboard and whether his squibblers would roll fair or foul.)

Losing three straight to the major-league worst Marlins, two by shutout, requires an unusual level of submission. Before the series, the Marlins had won only 10 games all season. Their starting pitcher on Sunday, right-hander Sandy Alcantara, was averaging nearly five walks per nine innings and had a 5.11 ERA. The Mets turned him into Greg Maddux, falling in an 89-pitch, two-hitter that took only one hour, 59 minutes to complete.

Rosenthal: The dysfunctional Mets, who are toxic from the top down, need an accomplished veteran manager - ( New Window )


Couldn’t agree more, while Callaway is not to blame for all their problems, he seems clueless as how to handle the team. Adding a 25M player who simply doesn’t hustle (never has) was a huge mistake for a young team, let Cano ride the pine for a while. I agree that Giradi might provide the leadership this team desperately needs, although I am not sure how he would handle Cano an old teammate.
Girardi is the best manager  
Metnut : 5/20/2019 11:59 am : link
available and would also be a great PR move. Seems too obvious.
I still like what Brodie has done.  
allstarjim : 5/20/2019 12:01 pm : link
This team did play pretty well after the All-Star Break last year. They are 5 games under .500 and a solid 7 out of 10 stretch puts them right back to 1 game under. There are still 117 or games to play. I get this is a low point.

They have to play at least .500 ball until some reinforcements get back. Conforto chief among them, and Calloway has to stop giving so much deferential treatment to non-performing veterans like Cano. I do like that BVW cut-bait on Broxton, a trade that never should've been made.

At some point this year, I do believe Yoenis will be playing in left field. And we have not yet had the benefit of Jed Lowrie, a switch hitter but who is better against righty pitching as a left-handed batter (with power), something this team needs.

And Justin Wilson should be back relatively soon as well.

This has been another terrible May performance but they can show some pride against the Nationals and Tigers in the next 7 games and things may not look quite as bleak.

Why is Girardi  
pjcas18 : 5/20/2019 12:13 pm : link
a good move?

He managed Cano forever and Cano didn't hustle then. Rivera even called him out on it.

I thought it ended badly for Girardi with the Yankees. No?

What you want for short-term is to lure Tony Larussa out of Boston.

I doubt you get him to go from VP/Special assistant to the GM in Boston to Mets manager. He'd need to be BVW's boss and interim manager and all the hangers-on like TC, Omar, Ricco, would need to be gone.

Mets are facing  
Metnut : 5/20/2019 12:14 pm : link
all of Corbin, Scherzer and Strasburg in this Nats series. Nats have Rendon back (who is raking) and Mets will likely be without Conforto. Mets are also likely starting a AAA player tonight since we have no pitching depth.

Splitting this 4 gamer with the Nationals would be a victory all things considered. Stop the bleeding before the season gets away from us.
RE: Why is Girardi  
Metnut : 5/20/2019 12:18 pm : link
In comment 14449832 pjcas18 said:
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a good move?

He managed Cano forever and Cano didn't hustle then. Rivera even called him out on it.

I thought it ended badly for Girardi with the Yankees. No?

What you want for short-term is to lure Tony Larussa out of Boston.

I doubt you get him to go from VP/Special assistant to the GM in Boston to Mets manager. He'd need to be BVW's boss and interim manager and all the hangers-on like TC, Omar, Ricco, would need to be gone.


The Yankees lost to the eventual champion Astros in Game 6 of the ALCS their last year with Girardi. Yankee fans didn't seem happy he was fired. He went 910-710 as Yankees manager (28-24 in the postseason).

Yes, that's with Yankees players/resources, but he's a veteran manager with a track record of winning in NY. He also almost pulled a .500 season out of his ass with a AAA team in Florida his year there. I'd really love to have him here.
RE: RE: Isn't Backman  
capone : 5/20/2019 12:20 pm : link
In comment 14449802 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 14449792 pjcas18 said:


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batshit crazy?

Isn't that why he was kept at a distance all these years?



yes - us and the rest of the MLB. He seems like exactly what we don't need. I'm with Rosenthal - just hire a veteran who has some track record of leading winning teams (Girardi or Baker would probably be the most obvious 2 options). It may not work but it'd be something new for a change to bring in a competent winning manager.



I saw Dusty Yesterday , Cal versus ASU ....Three big time I mean big time
Power hitters… ANDREW Vaughn .Spencer Torkelsen and Hunter bishop… During a 30 minute rain delay , Dusty Was talking with his son Darren along the rail and a whole bunch of kids wanted Darren’s autograph Dusty standing right next to him And none of them asked Dusty .....
Some minor buzz going around that Mets  
Metnut : 5/20/2019 1:57 pm : link
are considering pulling Kay from his scheduled start tonight and starting him against WSH tonight instead.

Would be an interesting and aggressive move by the Mets, albeit a bit desperate. Maybe their best option though at this point IMO.
RE: Some minor buzz going around that Mets  
Metnut : 5/20/2019 2:36 pm : link
In comment 14449999 Metnut said:
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are considering pulling Kay from his scheduled start tonight and starting him against WSH tonight instead.

Would be an interesting and aggressive move by the Mets, albeit a bit desperate. Maybe their best option though at this point IMO.


Nope, they are going with Font. Sorry Mets ticketholders.
I read  
pjcas18 : 5/20/2019 2:45 pm : link
Gagnon
.  
pjcas18 : 5/20/2019 2:46 pm : link

Michael Mayer
‏ @mikemayerMMO
2h2 hours ago

Michael Mayer Retweeted Matt Ehalt

Should be able to march out Brodie and the Wilpons to get their boos too. Not Mickeys fault that Drew Gagnon is his starting pitcher tonight.
RE: I read  
Metnut : 5/20/2019 2:48 pm : link
In comment 14450060 pjcas18 said:
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Gagnon


Mets announced Font about half an hour ago. Maybe they change their mind again before the game? Not like these guys have shown that they have any clue what they are doing to this point so far.
talk  
pjcas18 : 5/20/2019 2:49 pm : link
about shuffling the deck chairs on the titanic.

Font vs Gagnon is pretty much that.
Lugo to the DL  
Metnut : 5/20/2019 3:28 pm : link
Should be gone for a few weeks
BVW press conference at 3:45  
Chris684 : 5/20/2019 3:30 pm : link
about what?
RE: BVW press conference at 3:45  
Eric on Li : 5/20/2019 3:34 pm : link
In comment 14450098 Chris684 said:
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about what?


Hopefully someone planted a banned substance in Cano's jager bomb.
former all star Hector Santiago called up and gets $2m  
Eric on Li : 5/20/2019 3:42 pm : link
glad we threw around so much money at borderline major leaguers while ignoring quality players.
Girardi wasn't let go because he's a bad manager  
Greg from LI : 5/20/2019 3:50 pm : link
He was let go because he's an intense, grinding kind of personality who doesn't really do rah-rah stuff, and the feeling from the front office was that the team was worn out from it. They wanted a sunny, optimistic kind of personality who maybe was a bit better relating to young players, and that's what they liked about Boone. Girardi consistently got the most out of his rosters. The 2013-2016 Yankees were pretty light on talent but he kept them above .500, usually outperforming their pythagorean projections.

As a Yankee fan, I think he's a good solid choice for the Mets.
Cespedes had an accident at his ranch and has fractures in his ankles  
Eric on Li : 5/20/2019 3:59 pm : link
I'd imagine we've seen the last of him as a Met.

Apparently Callaway sticking as manager. Queue the dumpster fire gif.
RE: .  
PhiPsi125 : 5/20/2019 4:03 pm : link
In comment 14450063 pjcas18 said:
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Michael Mayer
‏ @mikemayerMMO
2h2 hours ago

Michael Mayer Retweeted Matt Ehalt

Should be able to march out Brodie and the Wilpons to get their boos too. Not Mickeys fault that Drew Gagnon is his starting pitcher tonight.


Is this the new thing? Blame the GM/Owners and absolve the manager that is clearly over his head?

Does Mickey take any blame for his team being swept by the worst team in the majors and 3 hit for the final two games of the series?

Does Mickey take any blame for allowing Cano to be lazy with zero repercussions? Cano is let off the hook because he says "I'm sorry, Skip! Won't happen again." Good enough for Mickey!

And then Cano does it again the very next game.

When a team has such roller-coaster results as the Mets do, then I place a lot of blame on the manager/coaching staff.
All these reports about Callaway on the way out  
Chris684 : 5/20/2019 4:05 pm : link
on this presser is basically the polar opposite of that.

Hooray for more of the same!

Cespedes hurt while away from the team for already being hurt.

If you're looking for a bright spot, Conforto has been symptom free for 3 days according to BVW.
Cespedes broke his ankle  
Metnut : 5/20/2019 4:08 pm : link
in an accident on his ranch. He denies that he was on a horse.

It's only Monday and this week is already a shitshow.
RE: Girardi wasn't let go because he's a bad manager  
Metnut : 5/20/2019 4:09 pm : link
In comment 14450121 Greg from LI said:
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He was let go because he's an intense, grinding kind of personality who doesn't really do rah-rah stuff, and the feeling from the front office was that the team was worn out from it. They wanted a sunny, optimistic kind of personality who maybe was a bit better relating to young players, and that's what they liked about Boone. Girardi consistently got the most out of his rosters. The 2013-2016 Yankees were pretty light on talent but he kept them above .500, usually outperforming their pythagorean projections.

As a Yankee fan, I think he's a good solid choice for the Mets.


Thanks for the post. This is exactly what the Mets need. Too much fucking around going on here.
RE: Cespedes broke his ankle  
PhiPsi125 : 5/20/2019 4:10 pm : link
In comment 14450147 Metnut said:
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in an accident on his ranch. He denies that he was on a horse.

It's only Monday and this week is already a shitshow.


Lol, yeah. Cespedes broke both his ankles gingerly walking to physical therapy. What a joke. Wish they could void his contract now. Just another in a long line of crappy signings.
RE: Lugo to the DL  
ChaChing : 5/20/2019 4:11 pm : link
In comment 14450096 Metnut said:
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Should be gone for a few weeks

Just read that after the Ces news. Seems like a good day for the Mets

Or just another Monday
RE: Isn't Backman  
Vanzetti : 5/20/2019 4:40 pm : link
In comment 14449792 pjcas18 said:
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batshit crazy?

Isn't that why he was kept at a distance all these years?


He is not crazy but has a problem with Alcohol.
So far Brodie is just a big mouth  
Vanzetti : 5/20/2019 4:43 pm : link
Let's see him back up his big claims. Do something to help the team win. Like tell the manger it's OK to bench Cano, and he can actually play the guys who deserve to play and not the guys with big contracts.
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