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NFT: Cespedes: Accident on Ranch, Ankle Fractures

BigBlue2112 : 5/20/2019 3:59 pm
Just heard from Mets Press Conference on 98.7 ESPN
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BigBlue2112 : 5/20/2019 4:00 pm : link
@JonHeyman

Cespedes said to have suffered ankle fractures in an accident on his ranch, mets announce
I can't stand him  
Knineteen : 5/20/2019 4:01 pm : link
The injuries, golf, cars...now he's doing shit on a ranch?!

Does the man play baseball any longer?
id imagine he never plays for the Mets again  
Eric on Li : 5/20/2019 4:02 pm : link
and the wilpons will happily collect the insurance money or even look to void the entire contract.
Starting to believe those who say  
Beezer : 5/20/2019 4:03 pm : link
there's some type of curse over this ball club.

Just incredible.
Expected  
ChaChing : 5/20/2019 4:04 pm : link
if not for him to do something stupid, definitely for the Mets to be cursed. Yeah I know there's worse, longer series droughts, and yet there's this - and that is the Mets
Can't make anything up  
KevinBBWC : 5/20/2019 4:06 pm : link
when it comes to this team.
i feel bad for Ces but this is probably a good thing for team on field  
Eric on Li : 5/20/2019 4:08 pm : link
certainly never root for a players injury misfortune but this is a non baseball injury and now they are going to get fully reimbursed for his remaining $ this year (20m+) not to mention possibly part of next year.

Considering it was highly suspect he ever meaningfully contributed on the field again coming off 2 other foot surgeries, saving the money seems like the most positive impact on the current team.
BVW  
BigBlue2112 : 5/20/2019 4:08 pm : link
Mickey is our guy....We built this team in the front office....The accountability is on my shoulders.

RE: BVW  
Eric on Li : 5/20/2019 4:09 pm : link
In comment 14450152 BigBlue2112 said:
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Mickey is our guy....We built this team in the front office....The accountability is on my shoulders.


He qualified it with "for the foreseeable future". He didn't commit to this year.
Non-baseball injury...  
Metnut : 5/20/2019 4:09 pm : link
maybe we can void the contract.
BVW won't talk to the specifics of the accident  
Knineteen : 5/20/2019 4:09 pm : link
Talk about trying to bury this story.

Won't comment on Cano's lack of hustle either.

Please BVW, tell us how great this team is again.
I wonder  
pjcas18 : 5/20/2019 4:10 pm : link
the impact this has on his insurance money.

Probably some clause about non-baseball injuries that he just kicked in.

clouding things even more and giving the Wilpons enough cloud not to reinvest his salary (if they were going to anyway).
LOL, the Wilpons will collect the insurance money and STILL  
PhiPsi125 : 5/20/2019 4:12 pm : link
state that they have a $30 million player as an excuse to not sign anyone else.

Rinse...Repeat...Rinse...Repeat
they are going to save all the $ the rest of this year  
Eric on Li : 5/20/2019 4:14 pm : link
and probably a big chunk next year too. Not sure if they will move to void the entire contract or just as long as Cespedes can't play (which may end up being the rest of the contract anyway depending on how bad the fractures are).
I bet there is some stupid clause  
Knineteen : 5/20/2019 4:15 pm : link
that since he's already injured, the team can't void the contract unless he misses time due to the second injury.
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Big Blue Hokie : 5/20/2019 4:19 pm : link
In comment 14450131 BigBlue2112 said:
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@JonHeyman

Cespedes said to have suffered ankle fractures in an accident on his ranch, mets announce


Can they void the contract since it was a non-baseball injury?
So he is rehabbing on his ranch?  
johnnyb : 5/20/2019 4:20 pm : link
And the Mets pay him how much?

Cannot make it up.
There's not a lot of detail about the injury,  
Mad Mike : 5/20/2019 4:21 pm : link
but just being a non-baseball injury wouldn't necessarily give the Mets the right to void the contract. They said he stepped in a hole and had a bad fall. If that's really all it was, walking around and accidentally stepping into a hole, it's very unlikely that would trigger anything to void the deal. It really depends on what exactly he was doing.
I'm looking forward to seeing the spin Baghdad Z applies this time  
Greg from LI : 5/20/2019 4:22 pm : link
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Given the Mets history with injury  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/20/2019 4:22 pm : link
the ranch was probably a safer bet.
sneakers with  
madgiantscow009 : 5/20/2019 4:22 pm : link
jeans?
I wasn't suggesting it would or could void  
pjcas18 : 5/20/2019 4:23 pm : link
the contract (though others have)

My fear is the non-baseball injury voids the insurance policy.

Not sure how it's written.
Haha, of course  
speedywheels : 5/20/2019 4:24 pm : link
Not one ankle, but both!

Can't make this shit up...
RE: I wasn't suggesting it would or could void  
speedywheels : 5/20/2019 4:25 pm : link
In comment 14450195 pjcas18 said:
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the contract (though others have)

My fear is the non-baseball injury voids the insurance policy.

Not sure how it's written.


If it is indeed a non-baseball injury, couldn't that potentially void the contract itself?
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Ten Ton Hammer : 5/20/2019 4:28 pm : link
Tim Healey (@timbhealey)
More on Cespedes: Its his right ankle, not both. Sounds like multiple fractures in the one ankle.

Brodie Van Wagenen said Cespedes suffered a violently fall (but it wasnt off a horse) and stepped in a hole.
As a couple of mentioned  
bhill410 : 5/20/2019 4:32 pm : link
And is dependent as to how policy and contract are written, but I would guess that a non baseball injury will terminate insurance payments depending on when it could be surmised that he reasonably could have been expected to return to the field. With regard to baseball contract, it depends on what the activity was and what provisions they included in contract. For instance, horse riding may be a prohibited activity that could have resulted in voiding or contract, walking likely would not. Common provisions are playing basketball and riding motorcycles for instance.

Soooooooo this likely financially hurts Mets.
RE: RE: I wasn't suggesting it would or could void  
pjcas18 : 5/20/2019 4:34 pm : link
In comment 14450200 speedywheels said:
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In comment 14450195 pjcas18 said:


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the contract (though others have)

My fear is the non-baseball injury voids the insurance policy.

Not sure how it's written.



If it is indeed a non-baseball injury, couldn't that potentially void the contract itself?


Not sure. I think many times those need to involve negligence, like heli-skiing or riding a motorcycleand having an accident, not stepping in a hole (just my guess).
And Jeff Kent was washing his truck  
Vanzetti : 5/20/2019 4:39 pm : link
until witnesses reported he was popping wheelies on his motorcycle

highly doubt Cespedes just stepped in a hole. Might be a dirt bike
LOL  
Rflairr : 5/20/2019 4:46 pm : link
Can't make this stuff up
RE: sneakers with  
wonderback : 5/20/2019 4:48 pm : link
In comment 14450191 madgiantscow009 said:
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jeans?


Now that's funny!
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Danny Kanell : 5/20/2019 5:00 pm : link
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adamg : 5/20/2019 5:02 pm : link
RE: RE: RE: I wasn't suggesting it would or could void  
Jim in Fairfax : 5/20/2019 5:02 pm : link
In comment 14450216 pjcas18 said:
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Not sure. I think many times those need to involve negligence, like heli-skiing or riding a motorcycleand having an accident, not stepping in a hole (just my guess).

Thats a pretty good general synopsis. But contracts typically prohibit most activities that pose even marginal injury risk. Tennis for example. Or, perhaps relevant here, horseback riding.
basically  
pjcas18 : 5/20/2019 5:05 pm : link
it's complicated.


Jarrett Seidler
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since yall to be confused by the contractual side of the Cspedes injury situation: the issue is complicated, in part because its a contract the team is actually going to want to void, in part because of insurance, and in part because isolating the non-baseball injury is tough
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Jarrett Seidler
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In general teams have not went after this money, because the easiest way to do it is to void the contract and most teams dont want to actually void most contracts. But the Mets will absolutely want to void Cspedes, and so will their insurance company.
Lol.  
ZGiants98 : 5/20/2019 5:15 pm : link
Of course he did! Just after he had started running again which was apparently a huge hurtle.
Now that I think about it  
speedywheels : 5/20/2019 5:15 pm : link
Didn't Bumgarner get hurt last year riding a motor/dirt bike? Obviously Giants didn't void the contract, but as pj just posted, Mets/insurance company may very well want to do that here.
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DanMetroMan : 5/20/2019 5:16 pm : link
"Rosenthal: The dysfunctional Mets, who are toxic from the top down, need an accomplished veteran manage"
RE: Now that I think about it  
pjcas18 : 5/20/2019 5:19 pm : link
In comment 14450249 speedywheels said:
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Didn't Bumgarner get hurt last year riding a motor/dirt bike? Obviously Giants didn't void the contract, but as pj just posted, Mets/insurance company may very well want to do that here.


Difference is/was the Giants and most teams (depending on the player and contract) would not want to void the contract. The player possibly still have value to them or in a trade.

in the Mets case the opposite is true. If there is a legit way for them to void the contract they absolutely should.
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Named Later : 5/20/2019 5:19 pm : link
Ah, I've had it with this bunch. They stink from the top on down.

The Baseball gods do have a say in these things. This team is jinxed, maybe from that improbable World Series in 1969, but more than likely from that rowdy season in 1986.

They will get lucky every 15 years or so.....1969/73, 1986, 2000, and 2015. I'll check back with them in 2030.
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Eric on Li : 5/20/2019 5:20 pm : link
In comment 14450252 DanMetroMan said:
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"Rosenthal: The dysfunctional Mets, who are toxic from the top down, need an accomplished veteran manage"


BVW taking a beating from Francesa right now. Rosenthal's article nailed it.
RE: Now that I think about it  
Knineteen : 5/20/2019 5:53 pm : link
In comment 14450249 speedywheels said:
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Didn't Bumgarner get hurt last year riding a motor/dirt bike? Obviously Giants didn't void the contract, but as pj just posted, Mets/insurance company may very well want to do that here.

Giants had every right to void the contract but given the talent, they obviously didn't.

I don't know if Cespedes is talented enough or meaningful to this organization any longer to warrant giving him a pass.
It would be interesting if the Mets  
Metnut : 5/20/2019 5:54 pm : link
try to void the contract. In such a case, the agent who negotiated the contract would have to return his commission to the extent if reflected a portion of the contract that was voided. BVW negotiated this contract, so he could potentially lose millions if a large portion of the contract was voided.
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pjcas18 : 5/20/2019 5:54 pm : link
In comment 14450280 Knineteen said:
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In comment 14450249 speedywheels said:


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Didn't Bumgarner get hurt last year riding a motor/dirt bike? Obviously Giants didn't void the contract, but as pj just posted, Mets/insurance company may very well want to do that here.


Giants had every right to void the contract but given the talent, they obviously didn't.

I don't know if Cespedes is talented enough or meaningful to this organization any longer to warrant giving him a pass.


Are you kidding? If the Mets have even the slightest chance to void the contract they will and should. No brainer.
Not sure where people are getting their Cespedes  
ZGiants98 : 5/20/2019 6:09 pm : link
Insurance information from. At best, the most we've ever gotten that it was "less than Wright's" structure.

@Matt Ehalt
Cespedes' new injury should save Mets roughly $7-$9 million this year.
RE: Not sure where people are getting their Cespedes  
pjcas18 : 5/20/2019 6:15 pm : link
In comment 14450292 ZGiants98 said:
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Insurance information from. At best, the most we've ever gotten that it was "less than Wright's" structure.

@Matt Ehalt
Cespedes' new injury should save Mets roughly $7-$9 million this year.


What information in here is incorrect about Cespedes insurance?

And insurance is irrelevant, the Mets historically have flat out said they do not reinvestment insurance recoups back into payroll.

Voiding the contract would be completely different?
Jeff Wilpon said Cespedes policy pays out a slightly lower % than DW  
Eric on Li : 5/20/2019 6:16 pm : link
at Robinson Cano's press conference. Wright's paid out 75% so everyone is getting their numbers by picking a number slightly lower than that and multiplying it by the $29m he's due this year. Nobody knows the exact details because the Mets refuse to be transparent about anything related to their payroll.
RE: RE: Not sure where people are getting their Cespedes  
ZGiants98 : 5/20/2019 6:17 pm : link
In comment 14450299 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 14450292 ZGiants98 said:


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Insurance information from. At best, the most we've ever gotten that it was "less than Wright's" structure.

@Matt Ehalt
Cespedes' new injury should save Mets roughly $7-$9 million this year.



What information in here is incorrect about Cespedes insurance?

And insurance is irrelevant, the Mets historically have flat out said they do not reinvestment insurance recoups back into payroll.

Voiding the contract would be completely different?


Huh? People assume the Mets are getting back way more than they are. Cespedes counts 30 million against the cap this year. 7-9 million is only a third of that. I wasn't suggesting the Mets were going to reinvest it. I actually often also point that out.
Ehalt is speculating exactly as I mentioned above  
Eric on Li : 5/20/2019 6:20 pm : link
Here's his exact tweet and reply (bolded the important parts).

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$7-$9M more than they were getting? They still were getting some % of it already, right?

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Depends on what they were getting.

But let's say he was going to return half point.

70 percent of 14.5 million is like 10.2.

They're in line now to get 20.3 ish.

(This is all speculation. Haven't heard exact amount)
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speedywheels : 5/20/2019 6:24 pm : link
In comment 14450255 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 14450249 speedywheels said:


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Didn't Bumgarner get hurt last year riding a motor/dirt bike? Obviously Giants didn't void the contract, but as pj just posted, Mets/insurance company may very well want to do that here.



Difference is/was the Giants and most teams (depending on the player and contract) would not want to void the contract. The player possibly still have value to them or in a trade.

in the Mets case the opposite is true. If there is a legit way for them to void the contract they absolutely should.


Agree. But knowing their mgmt team, they will find some way to blow it
Yeah, I think your quote ZG  
pjcas18 : 5/20/2019 6:25 pm : link
was just saying Cespedes being out all season now means the Mets likely get 7 - 9M more than they would have gotten if Cespedes returned when they expected.

not 7 - 9M total.

just my interpretation anyway.

I hope there is drone footage showing Cespedes fall off a horse or an ATV. I would not put it past the Mets to have drones flying over Cespedes' house just for an opportunity like this. Heck they might have even had the drone shoot out an ATV tire or a BB smack his horse in the ass to cause the accident.
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