When we drafted Jones I thought there was a legit possibility he could be the starter come week 1. The more the Giants spoke the less confident I was in my assumption.
After reading the Shurmur interview from yesterday and what Shula said the other day I'm starting to think there is a legit possibility. I don't like him, but Matt Lombardo had an article essentially saying the same thing.
@MattLombardoNFL: Ever since Daniel Jones was drafted, everything the #Giants said and did seemed geared towards Eli Manning starting Week 1.
Monday’s OTA1 was the first time I felt there’s a legitimate chance there could be an actual QB competition. |
What do you guys think? You think there's any chance Jones is the starter come week 1? I personally think they should give him a legit shot to win it if he outperforms Eli. If it's even close I'd start Jones from Week 1 and never look back. I'm a big believer in throwing the QB to the fire immediately.
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The only ways I can see Jones starting Week 1 would be if:
A) Manning is hurt; or
B) A serious contender loses its QB and makes Gettleman an offer he can’t refuse.
Eli has a no trade clause
2-4 no if they are in almost every game
More likely that there will be no change unless there are 5-6 losses with no chance of the playoffs
2-4 no if they are in almost every game
More likely that there will be no change unless there are 5-6 losses with no chance of the playoffs
Daniel Jones is making his first start week 7 at home if they are 2-4, regardless of how close they came or how hard Eli tried
Stidham, 4th round pick.
Eli Manning, 0 SB wins in last 7 years with 1 playoff appearance, 19-29 record last 3 years.
Daniel Jones, 6th overall pick with skillset perfect for current HC/OC.
Excellent comparison. Very similar situations.
Hmmm... somebody skipped AP English the day they learned “facetious”.
The real question is: How many games after ?
Plus he’s an Eagles fan.
Ignore him.
THIS. he is an eagles fan AND notorious click baiter. is there a worse combo?
Mission accomplished - there are what 70 some comments on this now?
seems like a far fetched scenario, but he may not want to uproot his family to go to a team and fan base that has no loyalty to him
History shows that there really isn't a good play here - it ended badly for everyone in recent memory. From Favre to Montana to Simms.
THe only way it ends well is:
A.) injuries (Peyton - Aikman - Warner)
B.) contract expires (Marino)
C.) guy is ready to call it a career (Elway)
That's it - Eli doesn't seem to fall into any of those three pots right now - so this season will probably get messy.
Eli hasn’t had to contend with a top 10 pick ever ... certainly not 1 with a lot more athleticism and an OC fast tracking his development to a point he’s said, several times, that Jones would be ready to start week 1 (if needed)
Wait until Eli throws an INT in preseason while Jones comes in the 2nd half and scrambles for a few nice runs ... Eli’s days are numbered.
* Fully expect Eli starting week 1.
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He writes crap for clicks.
Plus he’s an Eagles fan.
Ignore him.
THIS. he is an eagles fan AND notorious click baiter. is there a worse combo?
Yes, if you add "writes for the Daily News" it actually does get materially worse because then you're talking about Pat Leonard.
I think he would rather deal with talk about a QB controversy than the talk about the #6 pick wasting away behind Eli
That's because the JOB of ANY back-up quarterback is to be ready to play if the starter gets hurt. It was true for any back-up QB the Giants have ever had.
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A rookie who doesn’t even know the playbook yet with no NFL experience is going to beat out Eli. If this staff made that decision from what they saw in preseason you’d have to consider firing them.
There is going to be a time where Jones’ athletic ability gives the Giants a better chance of winning than Eli’s experience
It is a matter of when, not if, this happens. I don’t expect it to be week 1, as I mentioned the processing speed/decision making will take time.
I hope I’m wrong, but it would not shock me if Jones is starting as soon as week 3. Odell-less and playing 2 very good defenses off the bat, Eli better come out firing.
If I were a betting man I'd give you some very steep odds Eli starts game 3 and probably quite a few after that. Heck, I might give you odds that Eli starts all 16.
For better or worse, Giants drafted a QB at #6. Most QBs drafted that high end up starting at some point in their first year. The media is right to ask the question, and it should be one of the biggest stories this year.
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did state multiple times that the goal is to get Jones ready for week 1, so he does own some of this.
I think he would rather deal with talk about a QB controversy than the talk about the #6 pick wasting away behind Eli
That's because the JOB of ANY back-up quarterback is to be ready to play if the starter gets hurt. It was true for any back-up QB the Giants have ever had.
well
is that true?
Does the guy running the scout team go through the full install every week?
It also depends on what team, specifically offensive line, the Giants field.
The Giants had remarkable health the back half of the season on the OL. All 5 started at least 8 games (4/5 started 9 together). They edged from disaster to competent.
Zeitler is a talent upgrade over Brown, but he'll also be new. Remmers is coming off surgery and new. Halopio is coming off surgery and is effectively new. Solder is coming off a procedure.
None of these are tragedies, but will impact the quality of play early on. I expect the line to round into shape, but I don't expect the continuity or comfort seen at the end of last year.
So with a work-in-progress line, don't be shocked if the former Manning shows a lot, and Jones outshines him.
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He's #2 right now. I know they said Tanney was #2 but the groupings for the practice were Eli/Jones and Tanney/Lauletta.
Yes, but Tanney was the 2nd QB yesterday. Shurmur did say Jones would get more snaps in the future.
Jones was the one after Manning on the video highlights that I saw.
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Tom Brady, 2 SB wins in last 3 years with 38-10 regular season record.
Stidham, 4th round pick.
Eli Manning, 0 SB wins in last 7 years with 1 playoff appearance, 19-29 record last 3 years.
Daniel Jones, 6th overall pick with skillset perfect for current HC/OC.
Excellent comparison. Very similar situations.
Hmmm... somebody skipped AP English the day they learned “facetious”.
It is tough to see the word facetious when most posts by this guy regarding Eli are overly negative.
Hell, he's even postulating that week 3 is a distinct possibility to see Jones play.
Hell, he's even postulating that week 3 is a distinct possibility to see Jones play.
Obvious dupe
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Tom Brady, 2 SB wins in last 3 years with 38-10 regular season record.
Stidham, 4th round pick.
Eli Manning, 0 SB wins in last 7 years with 1 playoff appearance, 19-29 record last 3 years.
Daniel Jones, 6th overall pick with skillset perfect for current HC/OC.
Excellent comparison. Very similar situations.
Hmmm... somebody skipped AP English the day they learned “facetious”.
It is tough to see the word facetious when most posts by this guy regarding Eli are overly negative.
Hell, he's even postulating that week 3 is a distinct possibility to see Jones play.
1. I’ve said countless times I love Eli and wouldn’t have taken a QB at 6, as I think they should’ve gone BPA and given him a chance to win.
2. It is possible to love Eli and acknowledge reality, which is that this team has sucked with him and he is no longer capable of carrying this team and that a QB taken top 10 is the future, and we should probably know if he’s the answer long term as soon as possible - rather than give Eli his “farewell tour” for past accomplishments
3. It is not out of the realm of possibility that Eli plays terribly against 2 very good defenses to start the year. It is not out of the realm of possibility that a hard working “cerebral” QB prospect will be familiar with the playbook by then.
It is possible to respect Eli for his career while acknowledging that the top 10 pick young QB is the future - or we at least need to find out if he is the future ASAP. There’s legit reason to think Jones will be mentally ready to go by week 3; considering the OC is preparing him to be ready for week 1 - has publicly proclaimed this several times - and from what we know about Jones’ work ethic/Cutcliffe coaching.
Acknowledging reality doesn’t make me “anti-Eli” with some BS agenda. It’s reality, and we have a younger more athletic QB waiting in the wings ... Clearly I have an agenda though, disregard the fact I’ve said several times I would’ve past on QB in the first round and went BPA to win around Eli.
Have a great day gents. Go Giants!
but putting that aside - it isn't "objective" to state that Eli could be replaced Week 3.
As long as he's on the roster to start the season, Eli will play until we are out of the playoff race or if he is the major reason the team struggles. They won't do it in Week 3. I don't even think we'll be 0-2. I mean making the Bills D out to be pretty damn good already reeks of an agenda - using bad info to try and make a point.
Of course. However, it is somewhat refreshing that this team finally could have a QB competition (albeit premature in May)...
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did state multiple times that the goal is to get Jones ready for week 1, so he does own some of this.
I think he would rather deal with talk about a QB controversy than the talk about the #6 pick wasting away behind Eli
That's because the JOB of ANY back-up quarterback is to be ready to play if the starter gets hurt. It was true for any back-up QB the Giants have ever had.
Shurmer actually repeated the line in responding to a subsequent question and also added something like "like everyone else in the room". It is abundantly clear that PS meant exactly what you said here. Others are just misconstruing or trying to mislead.
but putting that aside - it isn't "objective" to state that Eli could be replaced Week 3.
As long as he's on the roster to start the season, Eli will play until we are out of the playoff race or if he is the major reason the team struggles. They won't do it in Week 3. I don't even think we'll be 0-2. I mean making the Bills D out to be pretty damn good already reeks of an agenda - using bad info to try and make a point.
1. Never posted on here before, but OK.
2. Here's some facts on the Bills and their defense:
- #2 Defense, as in 2nd best, in the NFL in terms of yardage allowed.
- #2 in the NFL in forced fumbles, top 10 in passes defensed
- Top 10 in YPC/allowed
- 2nd highest rated pass defense and 2nd best overall defense
Objective, factual data - as I always use to support my opinions. Continue to assume I'm a previous poster or that the Bills defense isn't good. We'll see how many people continue to blindly support Eli if he sucks in the home opener against a team everyone is underestimating (despite the fact they have more wins than the Giants over the last 3 years - and 1 of the better defenses in the league).
Let's continue to disregard the fact Shurmur has flat out said it's Eli's job to keep Jones off the field and the OC has his development on a "fast track" while stating he'll be ready to go week 1 - if necessary.
Nope, definitely no way Eli starts off poorly against 2 very good defenses with no Odell and never taking a regular season snap with Golden Tate. No way.
As in April 2019 signup date. Currently on 15 active threads or more. Knows people's past posts previous to April 2019.
Maybe you just like certain facts?
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Objective, factual data - as I always use to support my opinions
As in April 2019 signup date. Currently on 15 active threads or more. Knows people's past posts previous to April 2019.
Maybe you just like certain facts?
I didn’t discover this site in April - been reading for quite some time.
- But you and Greg can continue to engage in the most pathetic attempt at cyberbullying I’ve ever seen.
Care to comment on actual football yet? Which is what I signed up for to discuss. Any interesting tidbits on the Bills defense? I’d love to hear ... as I like to look up information before posting it (I was shocked at how good their defense is too ... pretending it isn’t doesn’t make week 2 any easier).
Have a great day!
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which one will start in week one. Performance during OTAs or even during full team practices during the summer will not reveal this.
Whatever you said about OTA's applies to preseason as well. It will take losing in real games for any replacement to be contemplated.
people will overreact to preseason. not saying it's right, but you'll be seeing calls for Jones after Eli's first preseason INT
I mentioned week 3 as the earliest possibility of a switch, as an 0-2 start against 2 very good top 10 defenses is not out of the realm of possibility. The Bills will not be the "Easy win" some chalk it up as ... there are no easy wins for this team.
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which one will start in week one. Performance during OTAs or even during full team practices during the summer will not reveal this.
Whatever you said about OTA's applies to preseason as well. It will take losing in real games for any replacement to be contemplated.
people will overreact to preseason. not saying it's right, but you'll be seeing calls for Jones after Eli's first preseason INT
I mentioned week 3 as the earliest possibility of a switch, as an 0-2 start against 2 very good top 10 defenses is not out of the realm of possibility. The Bills will not be the "Easy win" some chalk it up as ... there are no easy wins for this team.
Yeah but he's saying that Shurmer will overreact to preseason. That's highly doubtful.
I don't have the "Gettleman Chart" as to what pick level equals HoF caliber player, but I have to think, at a minimum, Jones should forecast out to be a pro bowl caliber player on that chart.
I am still very down on the Jones pick. But I do like his athleticism. It's 3-4 fold better than Eli's "athleticism". And I think Jones is much more the prototype player Shurmur craves for his QB.
So the goal should be to start Jones ASAP. Not trying to to do that is either a waste of time, because Jints Central is in coddle mode, or Jones is showing to have serious bust potential...
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which one will start in week one. Performance during OTAs or even during full team practices during the summer will not reveal this.
Whatever you said about OTA's applies to preseason as well. It will take losing in real games for any replacement to be contemplated.
people will overreact to preseason. not saying it's right, but you'll be seeing calls for Jones after Eli's first preseason INT
I mentioned week 3 as the earliest possibility of a switch, as an 0-2 start against 2 very good top 10 defenses is not out of the realm of possibility. The Bills will not be the "Easy win" some chalk it up as ... there are no easy wins for this team.
Yeah but he's saying that Shurmer will overreact to preseason. That's highly doubtful.
Oh, yes very doubtful. All I'm saying is I think Eli's leash is a lot shorter than some want to admit - and he's getting 2 very tough tests right off the bat.
That Bills D is legit - especially the pass defense.
Thats a big fat NO !
They have worked their asses off in unison to reshape this roster and to clear cap space for the future, but they are NOT holding an open QB competition. On Monday Shurmur was asked point blank about it and SAID "Eli is the starting QB" and the other guys are vying for the #2 spot behind him.
How much more clear can he be? That's like a chick sitting on your face type clarity about whether or not she wants oral sex.
I fully expect Eli starting week 1 ... how much longer after is up to how he plays ... and the first 2 games are against 2 very good defenses ...
Shurmur has also said it’s Eli’s job to keep Jones on the bench, while the OC continues to say he’d be ready to start week 1 “if necessary”
Eli is not guaranteed his starting spot for all of 2019 ... and the changing of the guard could come a lot sooner than some want to admit. I’ll miss Eli too ... but his days are numbered.
I fully expect Eli starting week 1 ... how much longer after is up to how he plays ... and the first 2 games are against 2 very good defenses ...
Shurmur has also said it’s Eli’s job to keep Jones on the bench, while the OC continues to say he’d be ready to start week 1 “if necessary”
Eli is not guaranteed his starting spot for all of 2019 ... and the changing of the guard could come a lot sooner than some want to admit. I’ll miss Eli too ... but his days are numbered.
I'm pretty sure everyone on this planet's days are numbered.
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Should be a competition
I fully expect Eli starting week 1 ... how much longer after is up to how he plays ... and the first 2 games are against 2 very good defenses ...
Shurmur has also said it’s Eli’s job to keep Jones on the bench, while the OC continues to say he’d be ready to start week 1 “if necessary”
Eli is not guaranteed his starting spot for all of 2019 ... and the changing of the guard could come a lot sooner than some want to admit. I’ll miss Eli too ... but his days are numbered.
I'm pretty sure everyone on this planet's days are numbered.
And I’m pretty sure you knew what I meant and the mortality of mankind was an absurdly unnecessary counter point ... but yes, thank you for the reminder
And, as mentioned on other threads, his fate is going to be determined by W-L, even if that's due to factors beyond his control. And, as has been mentioned by observers, he's looking as good as he ever has, so if he brings that (and it's as likely that he will as it is that he will fall over a cliff). SO there's no reason a priori to believe that anything other than how management feels about the team's record and playoff potential overall will determine how long he starts. But, regardless, his days are numbered. They are numbered somewhere between 2 and 19, inclusive.
And, as mentioned on other threads, his fate is going to be determined by W-L, even if that's due to factors beyond his control. And, as has been mentioned by observers, he's looking as good as he ever has, so if he brings that (and it's as likely that he will as it is that he will fall over a cliff). SO there's no reason a priori to believe that anything other than how management feels about the team's record and playoff potential overall will determine how long he starts. But, regardless, his days are numbered. They are numbered somewhere between 2 and 19, inclusive.
He's 37? Is it 2018 already?
They have worked their asses off in unison to reshape this roster and to clear cap space for the future, but they are NOT holding an open QB competition. On Monday Shurmur was asked point blank about it and SAID "Eli is the starting QB" and the other guys are vying for the #2 spot behind him.
How much more clear can he be? That's like a chick sitting on your face type clarity about whether or not she wants oral sex.
Obviously the intent is to have him start every game. Plans change as the season goes on. If things go sideways and the team is looking at 5-6 wins, it serves no long-term good if Jones has done his job and prepared to play. All it would do if Jones doesn't play this year is hit the snooze bar on figuring out of he can play in the league in favor of starting a player who doesn't have a contract for next season.
But let's get to that point first before even discussing DJ as a starter.