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Legitimate QB competition between Eli & Jones?!

Big Rick in FL : 5/21/2019 7:37 am
When we drafted Jones I thought there was a legit possibility he could be the starter come week 1. The more the Giants spoke the less confident I was in my assumption.

After reading the Shurmur interview from yesterday and what Shula said the other day I'm starting to think there is a legit possibility. I don't like him, but Matt Lombardo had an article essentially saying the same thing.

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@MattLombardoNFL: Ever since Daniel Jones was drafted, everything the #Giants said and did seemed geared towards Eli Manning starting Week 1.

Monday’s OTA1 was the first time I felt there’s a legitimate chance there could be an actual QB competition.


What do you guys think? You think there's any chance Jones is the starter come week 1? I personally think they should give him a legit shot to win it if he outperforms Eli. If it's even close I'd start Jones from Week 1 and never look back. I'm a big believer in throwing the QB to the fire immediately.
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RE: In other news, Jarrett Stidham is pushing Tom Brady in New England.  
ron mexico : 5/21/2019 9:57 am : link
In comment 14450779 Big Blue Blogger said:
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Hey, it’s only slightly less likely. Seriously, though - if Eli were also in his first year in the offense, a competition might be somewhat plausible. As it is? No way.

The only ways I can see Jones starting Week 1 would be if:
A) Manning is hurt; or
B) A serious contender loses its QB and makes Gettleman an offer he can’t refuse.


Eli has a no trade clause
4 losses at a minimum before making a change.  
Ivan15 : 5/21/2019 10:01 am : link
2-4 yes if the team is not competitive.
2-4 no if they are in almost every game

More likely that there will be no change unless there are 5-6 losses with no chance of the playoffs
RE: 4 losses at a minimum before making a change.  
GothamGiants : 5/21/2019 10:05 am : link
In comment 14450804 Ivan15 said:
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2-4 yes if the team is not competitive.
2-4 no if they are in almost every game

More likely that there will be no change unless there are 5-6 losses with no chance of the playoffs


Daniel Jones is making his first start week 7 at home if they are 2-4, regardless of how close they came or how hard Eli tried
Ron Mexico: True - Eli would have to approve a trade.  
Big Blue Blogger : 5/21/2019 10:07 am : link
Why wouldn’t he, if a contender wanted him and offered to add some guaranteed money to his contract?
RE: RE: In other news, Jarrett Stidham is pushing Tom Brady in New England.  
Big Blue Blogger : 5/21/2019 10:10 am : link
GothamGiants said:
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Tom Brady, 2 SB wins in last 3 years with 38-10 regular season record.
Stidham, 4th round pick.

Eli Manning, 0 SB wins in last 7 years with 1 playoff appearance, 19-29 record last 3 years.
Daniel Jones, 6th overall pick with skillset perfect for current HC/OC.

Excellent comparison. Very similar situations.

Hmmm... somebody skipped AP English the day they learned “facetious”.
Unless he's injured,  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/21/2019 10:31 am : link
Eli will be starting Week 1.
RE: Unless he's injured,  
GothamGiants : 5/21/2019 10:33 am : link
In comment 14450848 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Eli will be starting Week 1.


The real question is: How many games after ?
RE: Lombardo is like Pat Leonard-lite.  
Jint Fan in Buc Land : 5/21/2019 10:36 am : link
In comment 14450675 Brown Recluse said:
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He writes crap for clicks.

Plus he’s an Eagles fan.

Ignore him.


THIS. he is an eagles fan AND notorious click baiter. is there a worse combo?
I mean to be fair...  
Dnew15 : 5/21/2019 10:44 am : link
it doesn't feel like the media's job is to report the news anymore - it's to generate business.

Mission accomplished - there are what 70 some comments on this now?
Somebody  
AcidTest : 5/21/2019 10:48 am : link
wants clicks. There is no competition. Eli will start and play until the Giants are eliminated.
RE: Ron Mexico: True - Eli would have to approve a trade.  
ron mexico : 5/21/2019 10:53 am : link
In comment 14450815 Big Blue Blogger said:
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Why wouldn’t he, if a contender wanted him and offered to add some guaranteed money to his contract?


seems like a far fetched scenario, but he may not want to uproot his family to go to a team and fan base that has no loyalty to him
There is no good way to replace  
Dnew15 : 5/21/2019 11:05 am : link
a legend... especially one that thinks they can still play AND especially when the team drafts someone that they think will take over AND one that is still under contract.

History shows that there really isn't a good play here - it ended badly for everyone in recent memory. From Favre to Montana to Simms.

THe only way it ends well is:
A.) injuries (Peyton - Aikman - Warner)
B.) contract expires (Marino)
C.) guy is ready to call it a career (Elway)

That's it - Eli doesn't seem to fall into any of those three pots right now - so this season will probably get messy.
Eli  
Nine-Tails : 5/21/2019 11:10 am : link
would have to play poorly through.camp and the preseason, especially game three, while Jones would have to pick up he offense very qucikly and light it up. Eli hasn't played well in the preseason for years now, but that hasn't led to anything. So, it's very unlikely Jones is week one starter.
RE: Eli  
GothamGiants : 5/21/2019 11:14 am : link
In comment 14450886 Nine-Tails said:
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would have to play poorly through.camp and the preseason, especially game three, while Jones would have to pick up he offense very qucikly and light it up. Eli hasn't played well in the preseason for years now, but that hasn't led to anything. So, it's very unlikely Jones is week one starter.


Eli hasn’t had to contend with a top 10 pick ever ... certainly not 1 with a lot more athleticism and an OC fast tracking his development to a point he’s said, several times, that Jones would be ready to start week 1 (if needed)

Wait until Eli throws an INT in preseason while Jones comes in the 2nd half and scrambles for a few nice runs ... Eli’s days are numbered.

* Fully expect Eli starting week 1.
RE: RE: Lombardo is like Pat Leonard-lite.  
Gatorade Dunk : 5/21/2019 11:25 am : link
In comment 14450854 Jint Fan in Buc Land said:
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In comment 14450675 Brown Recluse said:


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He writes crap for clicks.

Plus he’s an Eagles fan.

Ignore him.



THIS. he is an eagles fan AND notorious click baiter. is there a worse combo?

Yes, if you add "writes for the Daily News" it actually does get materially worse because then you're talking about Pat Leonard.
RE: Shurmur  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/21/2019 11:45 am : link
In comment 14450764 ron mexico said:
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did state multiple times that the goal is to get Jones ready for week 1, so he does own some of this.

I think he would rather deal with talk about a QB controversy than the talk about the #6 pick wasting away behind Eli


That's because the JOB of ANY back-up quarterback is to be ready to play if the starter gets hurt. It was true for any back-up QB the Giants have ever had.
RE: RE: The whole idea that Jones could outperform Eli makes no sense  
BillT : 5/21/2019 11:55 am : link
In comment 14450756 GothamGiants said:
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A rookie who doesn’t even know the playbook yet with no NFL experience is going to beat out Eli. If this staff made that decision from what they saw in preseason you’d have to consider firing them.



There is going to be a time where Jones’ athletic ability gives the Giants a better chance of winning than Eli’s experience

It is a matter of when, not if, this happens. I don’t expect it to be week 1, as I mentioned the processing speed/decision making will take time.

I hope I’m wrong, but it would not shock me if Jones is starting as soon as week 3. Odell-less and playing 2 very good defenses off the bat, Eli better come out firing.

If I were a betting man I'd give you some very steep odds Eli starts game 3 and probably quite a few after that. Heck, I might give you odds that Eli starts all 16.
I don't think Eli has played  
Metnut : 5/21/2019 11:58 am : link
good enough the past 3 years to be guaranteed any the starting job.

For better or worse, Giants drafted a QB at #6. Most QBs drafted that high end up starting at some point in their first year. The media is right to ask the question, and it should be one of the biggest stories this year.
RE: RE: Shurmur  
ron mexico : 5/21/2019 12:03 pm : link
In comment 14450950 Eric from BBI said:
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did state multiple times that the goal is to get Jones ready for week 1, so he does own some of this.

I think he would rather deal with talk about a QB controversy than the talk about the #6 pick wasting away behind Eli




That's because the JOB of ANY back-up quarterback is to be ready to play if the starter gets hurt. It was true for any back-up QB the Giants have ever had.

well

is that true?

Does the guy running the scout team go through the full install every week?



...  
christian : 5/21/2019 12:22 pm : link
It truly depends what level of QB you believe Manning is both athletically and mentally. If you believe Manning is more the gun-shy, slow-footed, 1-7 QB or the opportunistic, savvy, and compotent 4-4 guy.

It also depends on what team, specifically offensive line, the Giants field.

The Giants had remarkable health the back half of the season on the OL. All 5 started at least 8 games (4/5 started 9 together). They edged from disaster to competent.

Zeitler is a talent upgrade over Brown, but he'll also be new. Remmers is coming off surgery and new. Halopio is coming off surgery and is effectively new. Solder is coming off a procedure.

None of these are tragedies, but will impact the quality of play early on. I expect the line to round into shape, but I don't expect the continuity or comfort seen at the end of last year.

So with a work-in-progress line, don't be shocked if the former Manning shows a lot, and Jones outshines him.
RE: RE: Well one thing is for sure...  
Jay in Toronto : 5/21/2019 12:32 pm : link
In comment 14450656 Eric from BBI said:
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He's #2 right now. I know they said Tanney was #2 but the groupings for the practice were Eli/Jones and Tanney/Lauletta.



Yes, but Tanney was the 2nd QB yesterday. Shurmur did say Jones would get more snaps in the future.


Jones was the one after Manning on the video highlights that I saw.
RE: RE: RE: In other news, Jarrett Stidham is pushing Tom Brady in New England.  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/21/2019 12:32 pm : link
In comment 14450821 Big Blue Blogger said:
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GothamGiants said:

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Tom Brady, 2 SB wins in last 3 years with 38-10 regular season record.
Stidham, 4th round pick.

Eli Manning, 0 SB wins in last 7 years with 1 playoff appearance, 19-29 record last 3 years.
Daniel Jones, 6th overall pick with skillset perfect for current HC/OC.

Excellent comparison. Very similar situations.


Hmmm... somebody skipped AP English the day they learned “facetious”.


It is tough to see the word facetious when most posts by this guy regarding Eli are overly negative.

Hell, he's even postulating that week 3 is a distinct possibility to see Jones play.

RE: RE: RE: RE: In other news, Jarrett Stidham is pushing Tom Brady in New England.  
Greg from LI : 5/21/2019 12:35 pm : link
In comment 14451007 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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It is tough to see the word facetious when most posts by this guy regarding Eli are overly negative.

Hell, he's even postulating that week 3 is a distinct possibility to see Jones play.


Obvious dupe
Nope think ELI has to play himself out of the job  
TMS : 5/21/2019 12:39 pm : link
by losing because of his play or a team collapse. Late in the season or next year.
RE: RE: RE: RE: In other news, Jarrett Stidham is pushing Tom Brady in New England.  
GothamGiants : 5/21/2019 1:36 pm : link
In comment 14451007 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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GothamGiants said:

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Tom Brady, 2 SB wins in last 3 years with 38-10 regular season record.
Stidham, 4th round pick.

Eli Manning, 0 SB wins in last 7 years with 1 playoff appearance, 19-29 record last 3 years.
Daniel Jones, 6th overall pick with skillset perfect for current HC/OC.

Excellent comparison. Very similar situations.


Hmmm... somebody skipped AP English the day they learned “facetious”.



It is tough to see the word facetious when most posts by this guy regarding Eli are overly negative.

Hell, he's even postulating that week 3 is a distinct possibility to see Jones play.


1. I’ve said countless times I love Eli and wouldn’t have taken a QB at 6, as I think they should’ve gone BPA and given him a chance to win.

2. It is possible to love Eli and acknowledge reality, which is that this team has sucked with him and he is no longer capable of carrying this team and that a QB taken top 10 is the future, and we should probably know if he’s the answer long term as soon as possible - rather than give Eli his “farewell tour” for past accomplishments

3. It is not out of the realm of possibility that Eli plays terribly against 2 very good defenses to start the year. It is not out of the realm of possibility that a hard working “cerebral” QB prospect will be familiar with the playbook by then.

It is possible to respect Eli for his career while acknowledging that the top 10 pick young QB is the future - or we at least need to find out if he is the future ASAP. There’s legit reason to think Jones will be mentally ready to go by week 3; considering the OC is preparing him to be ready for week 1 - has publicly proclaimed this several times - and from what we know about Jones’ work ethic/Cutcliffe coaching.

Acknowledging reality doesn’t make me “anti-Eli” with some BS agenda. It’s reality, and we have a younger more athletic QB waiting in the wings ... Clearly I have an agenda though, disregard the fact I’ve said several times I would’ve past on QB in the first round and went BPA to win around Eli.

Have a great day gents. Go Giants!
You have..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/21/2019 1:41 pm : link
an agenda - starting with coming back as a dupe.

but putting that aside - it isn't "objective" to state that Eli could be replaced Week 3.

As long as he's on the roster to start the season, Eli will play until we are out of the playoff race or if he is the major reason the team struggles. They won't do it in Week 3. I don't even think we'll be 0-2. I mean making the Bills D out to be pretty damn good already reeks of an agenda - using bad info to try and make a point.
RE: It’s popular in the press right now to create this controversy.  
Jimmy Googs : 5/21/2019 1:41 pm : link
In comment 14450725 Giant John said:
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At some point Eli will be replaced. No question. Based on what has been discussed by Giants and the competitive nature of Eli the fact is it’s no time soon. This is the writers doing what they do. Finding anything to write about. Don’t be so quick to jump when they throw some blood in the water.


Of course. However, it is somewhat refreshing that this team finally could have a QB competition (albeit premature in May)...
RE: RE: Shurmur  
Bill L : 5/21/2019 1:44 pm : link
In comment 14450950 Eric from BBI said:
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did state multiple times that the goal is to get Jones ready for week 1, so he does own some of this.

I think he would rather deal with talk about a QB controversy than the talk about the #6 pick wasting away behind Eli




That's because the JOB of ANY back-up quarterback is to be ready to play if the starter gets hurt. It was true for any back-up QB the Giants have ever had.

Shurmer actually repeated the line in responding to a subsequent question and also added something like "like everyone else in the room". It is abundantly clear that PS meant exactly what you said here. Others are just misconstruing or trying to mislead.
How well Eli and Jones perform during preseason games will tell us  
GeofromNJ : 5/21/2019 2:12 pm : link
which one will start in week one. Performance during OTAs or even during full team practices during the summer will not reveal this.
RE: You have..  
GothamGiants : 5/21/2019 2:12 pm : link
In comment 14451151 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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an agenda - starting with coming back as a dupe.

but putting that aside - it isn't "objective" to state that Eli could be replaced Week 3.

As long as he's on the roster to start the season, Eli will play until we are out of the playoff race or if he is the major reason the team struggles. They won't do it in Week 3. I don't even think we'll be 0-2. I mean making the Bills D out to be pretty damn good already reeks of an agenda - using bad info to try and make a point.


1. Never posted on here before, but OK.
2. Here's some facts on the Bills and their defense:
- #2 Defense, as in 2nd best, in the NFL in terms of yardage allowed.
- #2 in the NFL in forced fumbles, top 10 in passes defensed
- Top 10 in YPC/allowed
- 2nd highest rated pass defense and 2nd best overall defense

Objective, factual data - as I always use to support my opinions. Continue to assume I'm a previous poster or that the Bills defense isn't good. We'll see how many people continue to blindly support Eli if he sucks in the home opener against a team everyone is underestimating (despite the fact they have more wins than the Giants over the last 3 years - and 1 of the better defenses in the league).

Let's continue to disregard the fact Shurmur has flat out said it's Eli's job to keep Jones off the field and the OC has his development on a "fast track" while stating he'll be ready to go week 1 - if necessary.

Nope, definitely no way Eli starts off poorly against 2 very good defenses with no Odell and never taking a regular season snap with Golden Tate. No way.
Daniel Jones couldn't handle mighty, um, Wake Forest's defense  
Greg from LI : 5/21/2019 2:18 pm : link
But sure, he'll be ready to roll in his third NFL game.
Eli is the starter this year.  
Dave in Hoboken : 5/21/2019 2:19 pm : link
I don't know why that is so hard to understand.
I try to do this too..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/21/2019 2:22 pm : link
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Objective, factual data - as I always use to support my opinions


As in April 2019 signup date. Currently on 15 active threads or more. Knows people's past posts previous to April 2019.

Maybe you just like certain facts?
no but, see, he's a long time lurker!  
Greg from LI : 5/21/2019 2:23 pm : link
Because lots of long time lurkers suddenly start posting 50 times a day, every day.
RE: I try to do this too..  
GothamGiants : 5/21/2019 2:30 pm : link
In comment 14451211 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Objective, factual data - as I always use to support my opinions



As in April 2019 signup date. Currently on 15 active threads or more. Knows people's past posts previous to April 2019.

Maybe you just like certain facts?


I didn’t discover this site in April - been reading for quite some time.
- But you and Greg can continue to engage in the most pathetic attempt at cyberbullying I’ve ever seen.

Care to comment on actual football yet? Which is what I signed up for to discuss. Any interesting tidbits on the Bills defense? I’d love to hear ... as I like to look up information before posting it (I was shocked at how good their defense is too ... pretending it isn’t doesn’t make week 2 any easier).

Have a great day!
RE: How well Eli and Jones perform during preseason games will tell us  
Bill L : 5/21/2019 3:12 pm : link
In comment 14451191 GeofromNJ said:
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which one will start in week one. Performance during OTAs or even during full team practices during the summer will not reveal this.
Whatever you said about OTA's applies to preseason as well. It will take losing in real games for any replacement to be contemplated.
RE: RE: How well Eli and Jones perform during preseason games will tell us  
GothamGiants : 5/21/2019 3:17 pm : link
In comment 14451281 Bill L said:
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which one will start in week one. Performance during OTAs or even during full team practices during the summer will not reveal this.

Whatever you said about OTA's applies to preseason as well. It will take losing in real games for any replacement to be contemplated.


people will overreact to preseason. not saying it's right, but you'll be seeing calls for Jones after Eli's first preseason INT

I mentioned week 3 as the earliest possibility of a switch, as an 0-2 start against 2 very good top 10 defenses is not out of the realm of possibility. The Bills will not be the "Easy win" some chalk it up as ... there are no easy wins for this team.
RE: RE: RE: How well Eli and Jones perform during preseason games will tell us  
Bill L : 5/21/2019 3:29 pm : link
In comment 14451290 GothamGiants said:
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which one will start in week one. Performance during OTAs or even during full team practices during the summer will not reveal this.

Whatever you said about OTA's applies to preseason as well. It will take losing in real games for any replacement to be contemplated.



people will overreact to preseason. not saying it's right, but you'll be seeing calls for Jones after Eli's first preseason INT

I mentioned week 3 as the earliest possibility of a switch, as an 0-2 start against 2 very good top 10 defenses is not out of the realm of possibility. The Bills will not be the "Easy win" some chalk it up as ... there are no easy wins for this team.

Yeah but he's saying that Shurmer will overreact to preseason. That's highly doubtful.
There should be an competition between Eli and Jones...  
bw in dc : 5/21/2019 3:39 pm : link
right away. For crissakes, he was the 6th player in the draft.

I don't have the "Gettleman Chart" as to what pick level equals HoF caliber player, but I have to think, at a minimum, Jones should forecast out to be a pro bowl caliber player on that chart.

I am still very down on the Jones pick. But I do like his athleticism. It's 3-4 fold better than Eli's "athleticism". And I think Jones is much more the prototype player Shurmur craves for his QB.

So the goal should be to start Jones ASAP. Not trying to to do that is either a waste of time, because Jints Central is in coddle mode, or Jones is showing to have serious bust potential...
This isn’t difficult to understand  
UberAlias : 5/21/2019 7:17 pm : link
Eli won two super bowls for this team. The team feels he has something left. They declared him the starter even before selecting Jones knowing they had every intention to draft him. He has one year left in his contract and Mara wants to do him right after the McAdoo debacle. They will give this year to Eli and fans need to just accept it because the decision was made a long time ago. You want a plan —that’s the plan.
RE: RE: RE: RE: How well Eli and Jones perform during preseason games will tell us  
GothamGiants : 5/21/2019 9:17 pm : link
In comment 14451308 Bill L said:
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which one will start in week one. Performance during OTAs or even during full team practices during the summer will not reveal this.

Whatever you said about OTA's applies to preseason as well. It will take losing in real games for any replacement to be contemplated.



people will overreact to preseason. not saying it's right, but you'll be seeing calls for Jones after Eli's first preseason INT

I mentioned week 3 as the earliest possibility of a switch, as an 0-2 start against 2 very good top 10 defenses is not out of the realm of possibility. The Bills will not be the "Easy win" some chalk it up as ... there are no easy wins for this team.


Yeah but he's saying that Shurmer will overreact to preseason. That's highly doubtful.


Oh, yes very doubtful. All I'm saying is I think Eli's leash is a lot shorter than some want to admit - and he's getting 2 very tough tests right off the bat.

That Bills D is legit - especially the pass defense.
It's the OTA's .....  
Bluesbreaker : 5/21/2019 10:54 pm : link
are you serious ??
Thats a big fat NO !
C'mon now.  
BlueLou'sBack : 5/22/2019 12:25 am : link
How many different ways do the head coach and GM need to state that Eli is the starter for 2019.

They have worked their asses off in unison to reshape this roster and to clear cap space for the future, but they are NOT holding an open QB competition. On Monday Shurmur was asked point blank about it and SAID "Eli is the starting QB" and the other guys are vying for the #2 spot behind him.

How much more clear can he be? That's like a chick sitting on your face type clarity about whether or not she wants oral sex.

Every position  
GothamGiants : 5/22/2019 8:49 am : link
Should be a competition

I fully expect Eli starting week 1 ... how much longer after is up to how he plays ... and the first 2 games are against 2 very good defenses ...

Shurmur has also said it’s Eli’s job to keep Jones on the bench, while the OC continues to say he’d be ready to start week 1 “if necessary”

Eli is not guaranteed his starting spot for all of 2019 ... and the changing of the guard could come a lot sooner than some want to admit. I’ll miss Eli too ... but his days are numbered.
RE: Every position  
Bill L : 5/22/2019 8:53 am : link
In comment 14451846 GothamGiants said:
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Should be a competition

I fully expect Eli starting week 1 ... how much longer after is up to how he plays ... and the first 2 games are against 2 very good defenses ...

Shurmur has also said it’s Eli’s job to keep Jones on the bench, while the OC continues to say he’d be ready to start week 1 “if necessary”

Eli is not guaranteed his starting spot for all of 2019 ... and the changing of the guard could come a lot sooner than some want to admit. I’ll miss Eli too ... but his days are numbered.


I'm pretty sure everyone on this planet's days are numbered.
RE: RE: Every position  
GothamGiants : 5/22/2019 8:56 am : link
In comment 14451851 Bill L said:
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Should be a competition

I fully expect Eli starting week 1 ... how much longer after is up to how he plays ... and the first 2 games are against 2 very good defenses ...

Shurmur has also said it’s Eli’s job to keep Jones on the bench, while the OC continues to say he’d be ready to start week 1 “if necessary”

Eli is not guaranteed his starting spot for all of 2019 ... and the changing of the guard could come a lot sooner than some want to admit. I’ll miss Eli too ... but his days are numbered.



I'm pretty sure everyone on this planet's days are numbered.


And I’m pretty sure you knew what I meant and the mortality of mankind was an absurdly unnecessary counter point ... but yes, thank you for the reminder
It just really wasn't a profound statement  
Bill L : 5/22/2019 9:02 am : link
he's a 37 yr old guy on his last year.

And, as mentioned on other threads, his fate is going to be determined by W-L, even if that's due to factors beyond his control. And, as has been mentioned by observers, he's looking as good as he ever has, so if he brings that (and it's as likely that he will as it is that he will fall over a cliff). SO there's no reason a priori to believe that anything other than how management feels about the team's record and playoff potential overall will determine how long he starts. But, regardless, his days are numbered. They are numbered somewhere between 2 and 19, inclusive.
RE: It just really wasn't a profound statement  
Gatorade Dunk : 5/22/2019 10:39 am : link
In comment 14451862 Bill L said:
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he's a 37 yr old guy on his last year.

And, as mentioned on other threads, his fate is going to be determined by W-L, even if that's due to factors beyond his control. And, as has been mentioned by observers, he's looking as good as he ever has, so if he brings that (and it's as likely that he will as it is that he will fall over a cliff). SO there's no reason a priori to believe that anything other than how management feels about the team's record and playoff potential overall will determine how long he starts. But, regardless, his days are numbered. They are numbered somewhere between 2 and 19, inclusive.

He's 37? Is it 2018 already?
RE: C'mon now.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/22/2019 2:07 pm : link
In comment 14451769 BlueLou'sBack said:
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How many different ways do the head coach and GM need to state that Eli is the starter for 2019.

They have worked their asses off in unison to reshape this roster and to clear cap space for the future, but they are NOT holding an open QB competition. On Monday Shurmur was asked point blank about it and SAID "Eli is the starting QB" and the other guys are vying for the #2 spot behind him.

How much more clear can he be? That's like a chick sitting on your face type clarity about whether or not she wants oral sex.


Obviously the intent is to have him start every game. Plans change as the season goes on. If things go sideways and the team is looking at 5-6 wins, it serves no long-term good if Jones has done his job and prepared to play. All it would do if Jones doesn't play this year is hit the snooze bar on figuring out of he can play in the league in favor of starting a player who doesn't have a contract for next season.
TTH agree, Halfway through the season if the team isn't  
BlueLou'sBack : 5/23/2019 2:08 am : link
4-4 or better they start to think about DJ starting - presuming he knows the playbook extremely well for a rookie, which seems likely they way they are talking up his capacity to absorb it.

But let's get to that point first before even discussing DJ as a starter.
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