When we drafted Jones I thought there was a legit possibility he could be the starter come week 1. The more the Giants spoke the less confident I was in my assumption.
After reading the Shurmur interview from yesterday and what Shula said the other day I'm starting to think there is a legit possibility. I don't like him, but Matt Lombardo had an article essentially saying the same thing.
@MattLombardoNFL: Ever since Daniel Jones was drafted, everything the #Giants said and did seemed geared towards Eli Manning starting Week 1.
Monday’s OTA1 was the first time I felt there’s a legitimate chance there could be an actual QB competition. |
What do you guys think? You think there's any chance Jones is the starter come week 1? I personally think they should give him a legit shot to win it if he outperforms Eli. If it's even close I'd start Jones from Week 1 and never look back. I'm a big believer in throwing the QB to the fire immediately.
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Yes, but Tanney was the 2nd QB yesterday. Shurmur did say Jones would get more snaps in the future.
Not sure why anyone would/could think differently.
Not sure why anyone would/could think differently.
If Jones is the better QB then why shouldn't he? If Jones outperforms Eli in training camp and the preseason yet doesn't get to start there is a huge problem with the Giants.
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week 1, if Eli is healthy.
Not sure why anyone would/could think differently.
If Jones is the better QB then why shouldn't he? If Jones outperforms Eli in training camp and the preseason yet doesn't get to start there is a huge problem with the Giants.
For better or worse optics matter to this front office, especially with Eli.
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week 1, if Eli is healthy.
Not sure why anyone would/could think differently.
If Jones is the better QB then why shouldn't he? If Jones outperforms Eli in training camp and the preseason yet doesn't get to start there is a huge problem with the Giants.
Highly unlikely he clearly out performs Eli in camp.
He needs to sit and watch the NFL for some time. If Eli struggles or even if the Giants struggle to win, then Jones can go in.
I'm not sure he's saying it's because of that one OTA. I think it's more saying he outperformed Eli on his very first day. That's probably going to happen the more comfortable he gets with the playbook and his teammates.
Plus he’s an Eagles fan.
Ignore him.
The GM gets to worry about the future.
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week 1, if Eli is healthy.
Not sure why anyone would/could think differently.
If Jones is the better QB then why shouldn't he? If Jones outperforms Eli in training camp and the preseason yet doesn't get to start there is a huge problem with the Giants.
Preseason means squat. If we go by preseason then Tanney would be the Number one since he got more time than Eli last year.
It's subtle but there's a difference between reading starting NFL defenses and playing against NFL starting defenses versus playing catch in camp and throwing against 4th string pre-season cornerbacks.
Plus he’s an Eagles fan.
Ignore him.
He's terrible. I agree. I stopped following him on Twitter. This was retweeted by someone and I think it makes sense. They just drafted him 6th overall. I don't think it's likely, but saying there's no chance is crazy IMO. Jones could very well be good enough to compete or beat Eli out.
If the Giants are going to determine the starter by anything other then on field play there is a real problem in this organization.
That’s the earliest I see Jones starting ... DAL/BUF defenses could get Eli off to a rough start
It is going to play out pretty much by the book. Barring an injury to eli, Jones will play if and only if we are out of contention or eli is struggling and we are treading water.
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He writes crap for clicks.
Plus he’s an Eagles fan.
Ignore him.
He's terrible. I agree. I stopped following him on Twitter. This was retweeted by someone and I think it makes sense. They just drafted him 6th overall. I don't think it's likely, but saying there's no chance is crazy IMO. Jones could very well be good enough to compete or beat Eli out.
If the Giants are going to determine the starter by anything other then on field play there is a real problem in this organization.
Rick, I don’t see it happening this early. I certainly wouldn’t be disappointed if it did. That would mean, the QB guru, Shurmur, believes Jones is ready to test the big time
And if we are that with our opening schedule, we're doomed anyway.
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In comment 14450662 ZogZerg said:
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week 1, if Eli is healthy.
Not sure why anyone would/could think differently.
If Jones is the better QB then why shouldn't he? If Jones outperforms Eli in training camp and the preseason yet doesn't get to start there is a huge problem with the Giants.
Preseason means squat. If we go by preseason then Tanney would be the Number one since he got more time than Eli last year.
It's subtle but there's a difference between reading starting NFL defenses and playing against NFL starting defenses versus playing catch in camp and throwing against 4th string pre-season cornerbacks.
Preseason doesn't mean squat. If it did the guys wouldn't play. It has nothing to do with the amount of time the players get. Tanney/Lauletta will get more time then Eli/Jones this year too. It's just like scouting a college player. You have to know what to look for. It's not about the actual amount of snaps.
+1
It is going to play out pretty much by the book. Barring an injury to eli, Jones will play if and only if we are out of contention or eli is struggling and we are treading water.
I was more than pro-Eli. And Shurmur went out of way in saying there Eli and then everyone else.
It is going to play out pretty much by the book. Barring an injury to eli, Jones will play if and only if we are out of contention or eli is struggling and we are treading water.
Correct. Around Halloween...
NJ.com has gone way down hill. Their articles are barely articles anymore. They produce about 4-10 "articles" each day that are a few paragraphs long with an occasional solid piece that is buried in the other crap that it is hard to find.
the job is Eli's to lose. If he's healthy, Jones has to massively outperform him for them to even think about a switch for game one. IMO.
I thought that was a little odd - but I can see where people are going to try and make a story out of there being a QB controversy even if they have to fabricate it.
Distinct possibility
the job is Eli's to lose. If he's healthy, Jones has to massively outperform him for them to even think about a switch for game one. IMO.
No. It's not because he agrees with me. It's because I think it's a good discussion at a slow news time in the NFL.
NJ.com has gone way down hill. Their articles are barely articles anymore. They produce about 4-10 "articles" each day that are a few paragraphs long with an occasional solid piece that is buried in the other crap that it is hard to find.
+1000
These writers also claimed Davis Webb outperformed Eli in training camp back in the day. They’d get more clicks and respect if they produced better work.
I thought that was a little odd - but I can see where people are going to try and make a story out of there being a QB controversy even if they have to fabricate it.
When I read all of the reports, the general consensus was that Eli had a few misfires early and then practiced well in windy conditions. The reports on Jones were that he was a little more deliberate. Both had interceptions that were deflections (Eli's was tipped by Beal while Jones' target bobbled the ball). Any of us who have been through NYG quarterback "controversies" knows the NY/NJ media is going to beat this thing to death.... especially since they can't bitch about Beckham anymore. They need a new target. It's so tiresome and predictable.
IMO, the best person to write practice summaries right now is John Schmeelk. His reports are far more detailed. (I also think because he is allowed to be closer to the action, he can see more).
THIS. I guarantee you they are going to beat this "QB controversy" to death. The switch will eventually be made this year or next, but until then, the media is going to be unbearable.
One thing I took note of was Jones being late on some throws/decisions ... this was an issue during senior bowl week and at times watching Duke. He’s smart enough and works hard enough for this eventually to not be a big issue - but i do think it’ll be the primary reason Eli starts the season
This would be shocking to me.
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and cheek..No one in their right mind would change ANY opinion, because of an OTA..Lawd, can it get any worse?
I'm not sure he's saying it's because of that one OTA. I think it's more saying he outperformed Eli on his very first day. That's probably going to happen the more comfortable he gets with the playbook and his teammates.
Where are you getting this ridiculous FAKE NEWS from. This is what I'm reading:
TA No. 1- Jones 6-13 with 1 deflected INT in 11 on 11...4-5 in 7 on 7...threw ball w/o trouble as wind picked up....Eli was very sharp all morning.
Tanney isn’t even athletic, I have no idea what this team sees in him ... i thought he’d had at least be somewhat mobile and a veteran ... seems to just be a veteran with a sweet college highlight video of “trick shots” with a football
There is going to be a time where Jones’ athletic ability gives the Giants a better chance of winning than Eli’s experience
It is a matter of when, not if, this happens. I don’t expect it to be week 1, as I mentioned the processing speed/decision making will take time.
I hope I’m wrong, but it would not shock me if Jones is starting as soon as week 3. Odell-less and playing 2 very good defenses off the bat, Eli better come out firing.
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Sounds absolutely crazy to suggest, but Tanney is in the 2nd year of the offense. Jones is the future, but if Eli gets hurt in September, Tanney likely offers the best chance to win a game. I would not be surprised if Jones doesn't even earn a jersey on Sunday in September. I think the coaching staff will make Jones earn his spot on the depth chart and not because of draft status.
This would be shocking to me.
It would be shocking to many. But keep in mind, it just isn't about how one spins the ball. Learning how to read defenses, command of the offensive playbook, film study, etc. goes into determining the decision. Jones has only been exposed to 2 weeks of an NFL program. His head is swimming in details. While he will look physically capable, there are a number of factors that Jones will need to demonstrate in order to ascend up the depth chart. The staff wants him to be #2 by emphasizing that he needs to be ready for week 1. A bit of advice for Jones is to ensure he avails himself of all opportunities to learn from a seasoned pro. He can't be mentored if he isn't available to ask the questions. That is on Daniel. (See Eli's Q/A yesterday).
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and cheek..No one in their right mind would change ANY opinion, because of an OTA..Lawd, can it get any worse?
I'm not sure he's saying it's because of that one OTA. I think it's more saying he outperformed Eli on his very first day. That's probably going to happen the more comfortable he gets with the playbook and his teammates.
Where are you getting this ridiculous FAKE NEWS from. This is what I'm reading:
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TA No. 1- Jones 6-13 with 1 deflected INT in 11 on 11...4-5 in 7 on 7...threw ball w/o trouble as wind picked up....Eli was very sharp all morning.
That's coming from the biggest Eli homer there is. So Jones was really 7-13 in 11 on 11s as the INT came off his receiver. The only numbers we saw from Eli in 11 on 11s was 1-6 with 2 INTs.