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Legitimate QB competition between Eli & Jones?!

Big Rick in FL : 5/21/2019 7:37 am
When we drafted Jones I thought there was a legit possibility he could be the starter come week 1. The more the Giants spoke the less confident I was in my assumption.

After reading the Shurmur interview from yesterday and what Shula said the other day I'm starting to think there is a legit possibility. I don't like him, but Matt Lombardo had an article essentially saying the same thing.

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@MattLombardoNFL: Ever since Daniel Jones was drafted, everything the #Giants said and did seemed geared towards Eli Manning starting Week 1.

Monday’s OTA1 was the first time I felt there’s a legitimate chance there could be an actual QB competition.


What do you guys think? You think there's any chance Jones is the starter come week 1? I personally think they should give him a legit shot to win it if he outperforms Eli. If it's even close I'd start Jones from Week 1 and never look back. I'm a big believer in throwing the QB to the fire immediately.
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no  
Chip : 5/21/2019 7:39 am : link
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Well one thing is for sure...  
nzyme : 5/21/2019 7:39 am : link
He's #2 right now. I know they said Tanney was #2 but the groupings for the practice were Eli/Jones and Tanney/Lauletta.
i've been saying since they drafted him  
cjac : 5/21/2019 7:40 am : link
Jones will start the second they think he gives them a better chance to win

Despite the record
No  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/21/2019 7:41 am : link
And anyone who actually listened to Shurmur's presser yesterday - like this reporter should have - knows that.
RE: Well one thing is for sure...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/21/2019 7:42 am : link
In comment 14450653 nzyme said:
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He's #2 right now. I know they said Tanney was #2 but the groupings for the practice were Eli/Jones and Tanney/Lauletta.


Yes, but Tanney was the 2nd QB yesterday. Shurmur did say Jones would get more snaps in the future.
No  
Rick in Dallas : 5/21/2019 7:42 am : link
Eli starts the season as number 1QB.... fake news
ZERO Chance Jones starts over Eli  
ZogZerg : 5/21/2019 7:48 am : link
week 1, if Eli is healthy.

Not sure why anyone would/could think differently.

RE: ZERO Chance Jones starts over Eli  
Big Rick in FL : 5/21/2019 7:52 am : link
In comment 14450662 ZogZerg said:
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week 1, if Eli is healthy.

Not sure why anyone would/could think differently.


If Jones is the better QB then why shouldn't he? If Jones outperforms Eli in training camp and the preseason yet doesn't get to start there is a huge problem with the Giants.
RE: RE: ZERO Chance Jones starts over Eli  
Capt. Don : 5/21/2019 7:57 am : link
In comment 14450663 Big Rick in FL said:
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week 1, if Eli is healthy.

Not sure why anyone would/could think differently.




If Jones is the better QB then why shouldn't he? If Jones outperforms Eli in training camp and the preseason yet doesn't get to start there is a huge problem with the Giants.


For better or worse optics matter to this front office, especially with Eli.
RE: RE: ZERO Chance Jones starts over Eli  
ZogZerg : 5/21/2019 8:01 am : link
In comment 14450663 Big Rick in FL said:
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week 1, if Eli is healthy.

Not sure why anyone would/could think differently.




If Jones is the better QB then why shouldn't he? If Jones outperforms Eli in training camp and the preseason yet doesn't get to start there is a huge problem with the Giants.


Highly unlikely he clearly out performs Eli in camp.
He needs to sit and watch the NFL for some time. If Eli struggles or even if the Giants struggle to win, then Jones can go in.
Is Lombardo kidding? Had to be tongue  
Big Blue '56 : 5/21/2019 8:02 am : link
and cheek..No one in their right mind would change ANY opinion, because of an OTA..Lawd, can it get any worse?
Tongue in cheek  
Big Blue '56 : 5/21/2019 8:03 am : link
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RE: Is Lombardo kidding? Had to be tongue  
Big Rick in FL : 5/21/2019 8:08 am : link
In comment 14450669 Big Blue '56 said:
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and cheek..No one in their right mind would change ANY opinion, because of an OTA..Lawd, can it get any worse?


I'm not sure he's saying it's because of that one OTA. I think it's more saying he outperformed Eli on his very first day. That's probably going to happen the more comfortable he gets with the playbook and his teammates.
Lombardo is like Pat Leonard-lite.  
Brown Recluse : 5/21/2019 8:09 am : link
He writes crap for clicks.

Plus he’s an Eagles fan.

Ignore him.
Eli's job to start the season  
Pep22 : 5/21/2019 8:09 am : link
but if the recent stuff we've seen in the rear view window is any indication, Jones will be in a position to take over sooner than later; hopefully by midseason
The head coach plays the player that gives them the best chance to win  
rasbutant : 5/21/2019 8:10 am : link
this year.

The GM gets to worry about the future.
RE: RE: ZERO Chance Jones starts over Eli  
Bill L : 5/21/2019 8:15 am : link
In comment 14450663 Big Rick in FL said:
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week 1, if Eli is healthy.

Not sure why anyone would/could think differently.




If Jones is the better QB then why shouldn't he? If Jones outperforms Eli in training camp and the preseason yet doesn't get to start there is a huge problem with the Giants.


Preseason means squat. If we go by preseason then Tanney would be the Number one since he got more time than Eli last year.

It's subtle but there's a difference between reading starting NFL defenses and playing against NFL starting defenses versus playing catch in camp and throwing against 4th string pre-season cornerbacks.
...  
christian : 5/21/2019 8:19 am : link
In a league where you can't touch the QB and the WRs, and the incumbent QB is battling father time, do not be shocked if Jones looks significantly better than Manning.
RE: Lombardo is like Pat Leonard-lite.  
Big Rick in FL : 5/21/2019 8:22 am : link
In comment 14450675 Brown Recluse said:
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He writes crap for clicks.

Plus he’s an Eagles fan.

Ignore him.


He's terrible. I agree. I stopped following him on Twitter. This was retweeted by someone and I think it makes sense. They just drafted him 6th overall. I don't think it's likely, but saying there's no chance is crazy IMO. Jones could very well be good enough to compete or beat Eli out.

If the Giants are going to determine the starter by anything other then on field play there is a real problem in this organization.
Week 3 @ TB  
GothamGiants : 5/21/2019 8:23 am : link
Week 4 v WAS

That’s the earliest I see Jones starting ... DAL/BUF defenses could get Eli off to a rough start
Shurmur's..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/21/2019 8:25 am : link
presser actually was very pro-Eli.

It is going to play out pretty much by the book. Barring an injury to eli, Jones will play if and only if we are out of contention or eli is struggling and we are treading water.
RE: RE: Lombardo is like Pat Leonard-lite.  
Big Blue '56 : 5/21/2019 8:27 am : link
In comment 14450685 Big Rick in FL said:
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He writes crap for clicks.

Plus he’s an Eagles fan.

Ignore him.



He's terrible. I agree. I stopped following him on Twitter. This was retweeted by someone and I think it makes sense. They just drafted him 6th overall. I don't think it's likely, but saying there's no chance is crazy IMO. Jones could very well be good enough to compete or beat Eli out.

If the Giants are going to determine the starter by anything other then on field play there is a real problem in this organization.


Rick, I don’t see it happening this early. I certainly wouldn’t be disappointed if it did. That would mean, the QB guru, Shurmur, believes Jones is ready to test the big time
And there's not a chance...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/21/2019 8:27 am : link
in hell that Jones starts in the first half of the season unless we are 1-4 or 0-5.

And if we are that with our opening schedule, we're doomed anyway.
RE: RE: RE: ZERO Chance Jones starts over Eli  
Big Rick in FL : 5/21/2019 8:28 am : link
In comment 14450678 Bill L said:
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week 1, if Eli is healthy.

Not sure why anyone would/could think differently.




If Jones is the better QB then why shouldn't he? If Jones outperforms Eli in training camp and the preseason yet doesn't get to start there is a huge problem with the Giants.



Preseason means squat. If we go by preseason then Tanney would be the Number one since he got more time than Eli last year.

It's subtle but there's a difference between reading starting NFL defenses and playing against NFL starting defenses versus playing catch in camp and throwing against 4th string pre-season cornerbacks.


Preseason doesn't mean squat. If it did the guys wouldn't play. It has nothing to do with the amount of time the players get. Tanney/Lauletta will get more time then Eli/Jones this year too. It's just like scouting a college player. You have to know what to look for. It's not about the actual amount of snaps.
Eli gets 6 games minimum  
George from PA : 5/21/2019 8:30 am : link
Imo....but as schedule is in the Giants favor, Eli might be able to take them for another ride
RE: no  
Brown_Hornet : 5/21/2019 8:32 am : link
In comment 14450652 Chip said:
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+1
RE: Shurmur's..  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/21/2019 8:32 am : link
In comment 14450689 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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presser actually was very pro-Eli.

It is going to play out pretty much by the book. Barring an injury to eli, Jones will play if and only if we are out of contention or eli is struggling and we are treading water.


I was more than pro-Eli. And Shurmur went out of way in saying there Eli and then everyone else.

RE: Shurmur's..  
Jimmy Googs : 5/21/2019 8:33 am : link
In comment 14450689 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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presser actually was very pro-Eli.

It is going to play out pretty much by the book. Barring an injury to eli, Jones will play if and only if we are out of contention or eli is struggling and we are treading water.


Correct. Around Halloween...
Also  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/21/2019 8:35 am : link
this particular reporter is giving the false impression that Jones out-performed Eli yesterday. I suggest you read every report out there posted by other reporters.

NJ.com has gone way down hill. Their articles are barely articles anymore. They produce about 4-10 "articles" each day that are a few paragraphs long with an occasional solid piece that is buried in the other crap that it is hard to find.
you don't like Lombardo  
fkap : 5/21/2019 8:35 am : link
but because he says something you agree with, he might have a point?

the job is Eli's to lose. If he's healthy, Jones has to massively outperform him for them to even think about a switch for game one. IMO.
Eric..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/21/2019 8:37 am : link
I picked up on a couple of comments that made it sound like eli looked bad yesterday despite the beat guys and other live feed comments saying otherwise.

I thought that was a little odd - but I can see where people are going to try and make a story out of there being a QB controversy even if they have to fabricate it.
Week 7  
GothamGiants : 5/21/2019 8:37 am : link
Home game after 3-3 start to season

Distinct possibility
I don't see any way this happens other than injury  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/21/2019 8:40 am : link
And Jones would have to play like Mahomes in preseason to get a start before Tanney.
RE: you don't like Lombardo  
Big Rick in FL : 5/21/2019 8:40 am : link
In comment 14450706 fkap said:
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but because he says something you agree with, he might have a point?

the job is Eli's to lose. If he's healthy, Jones has to massively outperform him for them to even think about a switch for game one. IMO.


No. It's not because he agrees with me. It's because I think it's a good discussion at a slow news time in the NFL.
RE: Also  
BBelle21 : 5/21/2019 8:40 am : link
In comment 14450704 Eric from BBI said:
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this particular reporter is giving the false impression that Jones out-performed Eli yesterday. I suggest you read every report out there posted by other reporters.

NJ.com has gone way down hill. Their articles are barely articles anymore. They produce about 4-10 "articles" each day that are a few paragraphs long with an occasional solid piece that is buried in the other crap that it is hard to find.


+1000

These writers also claimed Davis Webb outperformed Eli in training camp back in the day. They’d get more clicks and respect if they produced better work.
If there was to be a open competition for the job  
joeinpa : 5/21/2019 8:42 am : link
Hard to believe Eli wouldn’t win.
RE: Eric..  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/21/2019 8:42 am : link
In comment 14450710 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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I picked up on a couple of comments that made it sound like eli looked bad yesterday despite the beat guys and other live feed comments saying otherwise.

I thought that was a little odd - but I can see where people are going to try and make a story out of there being a QB controversy even if they have to fabricate it.


When I read all of the reports, the general consensus was that Eli had a few misfires early and then practiced well in windy conditions. The reports on Jones were that he was a little more deliberate. Both had interceptions that were deflections (Eli's was tipped by Beal while Jones' target bobbled the ball). Any of us who have been through NYG quarterback "controversies" knows the NY/NJ media is going to beat this thing to death.... especially since they can't bitch about Beckham anymore. They need a new target. It's so tiresome and predictable.

IMO, the best person to write practice summaries right now is John Schmeelk. His reports are far more detailed. (I also think because he is allowed to be closer to the action, he can see more).
It’s popular in the press right now to create this controversy.  
Giant John : 5/21/2019 8:44 am : link
At some point Eli will be replaced. No question. Based on what has been discussed by Giants and the competitive nature of Eli the fact is it’s no time soon. This is the writers doing what they do. Finding anything to write about. Don’t be so quick to jump when they throw some blood in the water.
RE: It’s popular in the press right now to create this controversy.  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/21/2019 8:48 am : link
In comment 14450725 Giant John said:
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At some point Eli will be replaced. No question. Based on what has been discussed by Giants and the competitive nature of Eli the fact is it’s no time soon. This is the writers doing what they do. Finding anything to write about. Don’t be so quick to jump when they throw some blood in the water.


THIS. I guarantee you they are going to beat this "QB controversy" to death. The switch will eventually be made this year or next, but until then, the media is going to be unbearable.
Nope, there is no competition  
ron mexico : 5/21/2019 8:49 am : link
do let all this talk about getting Jones ready for week 1 fool you.
FatMan  
fkap : 5/21/2019 8:50 am : link
fabrication of QB controversy will be about as shocking as the sun rising in the east.
The real competition is between Jones and Tanney.  
Diver_Down : 5/21/2019 8:58 am : link
Sounds absolutely crazy to suggest, but Tanney is in the 2nd year of the offense. Jones is the future, but if Eli gets hurt in September, Tanney likely offers the best chance to win a game. I would not be surprised if Jones doesn't even earn a jersey on Sunday in September. I think the coaching staff will make Jones earn his spot on the depth chart and not because of draft status.
Shula  
GothamGiants : 5/21/2019 9:02 am : link
Continuing to re-iterate that Jones is capable of starting in the NFL week 1 isn’t helping ...

One thing I took note of was Jones being late on some throws/decisions ... this was an issue during senior bowl week and at times watching Duke. He’s smart enough and works hard enough for this eventually to not be a big issue - but i do think it’ll be the primary reason Eli starts the season
RE: The real competition is between Jones and Tanney.  
Big Rick in FL : 5/21/2019 9:02 am : link
In comment 14450738 Diver_Down said:
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Sounds absolutely crazy to suggest, but Tanney is in the 2nd year of the offense. Jones is the future, but if Eli gets hurt in September, Tanney likely offers the best chance to win a game. I would not be surprised if Jones doesn't even earn a jersey on Sunday in September. I think the coaching staff will make Jones earn his spot on the depth chart and not because of draft status.


This would be shocking to me.
RE: RE: Is Lombardo kidding? Had to be tongue  
ZogZerg : 5/21/2019 9:04 am : link
In comment 14450673 Big Rick in FL said:
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and cheek..No one in their right mind would change ANY opinion, because of an OTA..Lawd, can it get any worse?



I'm not sure he's saying it's because of that one OTA. I think it's more saying he outperformed Eli on his very first day. That's probably going to happen the more comfortable he gets with the playbook and his teammates.


Where are you getting this ridiculous FAKE NEWS from. This is what I'm reading:

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TA No. 1- Jones 6-13 with 1 deflected INT in 11 on 11...4-5 in 7 on 7...threw ball w/o trouble as wind picked up....Eli was very sharp all morning.
RE: The real competition is between Jones and Tanney.  
GothamGiants : 5/21/2019 9:05 am : link
In comment 14450738 Diver_Down said:
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Sounds absolutely crazy to suggest, but Tanney is in the 2nd year of the offense. Jones is the future, but if Eli gets hurt in September, Tanney likely offers the best chance to win a game. I would not be surprised if Jones doesn't even earn a jersey on Sunday in September. I think the coaching staff will make Jones earn his spot on the depth chart and not because of draft status.


Tanney isn’t even athletic, I have no idea what this team sees in him ... i thought he’d had at least be somewhat mobile and a veteran ... seems to just be a veteran with a sweet college highlight video of “trick shots” with a football
The whole idea that Jones could outperform Eli makes no sense  
BillT : 5/21/2019 9:06 am : link
A rookie who doesn’t even know the playbook yet with no NFL experience is going to beat out Eli. If this staff made that decision from what they saw in preseason you’d have to consider firing them.
RE: The whole idea that Jones could outperform Eli makes no sense  
GothamGiants : 5/21/2019 9:15 am : link
In comment 14450748 BillT said:
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A rookie who doesn’t even know the playbook yet with no NFL experience is going to beat out Eli. If this staff made that decision from what they saw in preseason you’d have to consider firing them.


There is going to be a time where Jones’ athletic ability gives the Giants a better chance of winning than Eli’s experience

It is a matter of when, not if, this happens. I don’t expect it to be week 1, as I mentioned the processing speed/decision making will take time.

I hope I’m wrong, but it would not shock me if Jones is starting as soon as week 3. Odell-less and playing 2 very good defenses off the bat, Eli better come out firing.
RE: RE: The real competition is between Jones and Tanney.  
Diver_Down : 5/21/2019 9:17 am : link
In comment 14450741 Big Rick in FL said:
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Sounds absolutely crazy to suggest, but Tanney is in the 2nd year of the offense. Jones is the future, but if Eli gets hurt in September, Tanney likely offers the best chance to win a game. I would not be surprised if Jones doesn't even earn a jersey on Sunday in September. I think the coaching staff will make Jones earn his spot on the depth chart and not because of draft status.



This would be shocking to me.


It would be shocking to many. But keep in mind, it just isn't about how one spins the ball. Learning how to read defenses, command of the offensive playbook, film study, etc. goes into determining the decision. Jones has only been exposed to 2 weeks of an NFL program. His head is swimming in details. While he will look physically capable, there are a number of factors that Jones will need to demonstrate in order to ascend up the depth chart. The staff wants him to be #2 by emphasizing that he needs to be ready for week 1. A bit of advice for Jones is to ensure he avails himself of all opportunities to learn from a seasoned pro. He can't be mentored if he isn't available to ask the questions. That is on Daniel. (See Eli's Q/A yesterday).
RE: RE: RE: Is Lombardo kidding? Had to be tongue  
Big Rick in FL : 5/21/2019 9:19 am : link
In comment 14450745 ZogZerg said:
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In comment 14450669 Big Blue '56 said:


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and cheek..No one in their right mind would change ANY opinion, because of an OTA..Lawd, can it get any worse?



I'm not sure he's saying it's because of that one OTA. I think it's more saying he outperformed Eli on his very first day. That's probably going to happen the more comfortable he gets with the playbook and his teammates.



Where are you getting this ridiculous FAKE NEWS from. This is what I'm reading:



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TA No. 1- Jones 6-13 with 1 deflected INT in 11 on 11...4-5 in 7 on 7...threw ball w/o trouble as wind picked up....Eli was very sharp all morning.


That's coming from the biggest Eli homer there is. So Jones was really 7-13 in 11 on 11s as the INT came off his receiver. The only numbers we saw from Eli in 11 on 11s was 1-6 with 2 INTs.
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