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Landon Collins can’t stop talking about the Giants

JoeyBigBlue : 5/21/2019 10:52 am
Says Giants let him go because he was too vocal and they wanted a “culture change.” Seems to me like this move has really hurt Collins.



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NoGainDayne : 5/21/2019 1:25 pm : link
In comment 14451108 arcarsenal said:
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It's not the GM's job to be a good communicator with the players. That's not what he's here for. That's for Shurmur and the position coaches.

Gettleman's job is to build the roster as effectively as possible and players feelings do not and should not factor into it.

Collins is "heartbroken" the Giants didn't offer him a contract? Tough shit. He didn't deserve his ask. The Redskins overspent on him and he'll be a disappointment there. It's not Gettleman's fault that he didn't overpay to retain him.

Watching him try to cover Barkley on a wheel route or shadow Engram down the field will be a treat because he's not going to be able to to handle either assignment.

We replaced him with a better player who is less costly and isn't going to air all of the Giants dirty laundry to Josina Anderson.

Good riddance.


You are right it isn't the GMs job but it should also be a concern when there are so many examples of him rubbing players in the wrong way in spite of this
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RobCarpenter : 5/21/2019 1:25 pm : link
In comment 14451116 ajr2456 said:
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Peppers and Collins have very similar flaws and in no way is Peppers a better player right now.


??? How do they have similar flaws?
and onions too?  
Bill L : 5/21/2019 1:25 pm : link
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What does Peppers do better?  
ajr2456 : 5/21/2019 1:27 pm : link
I’m in the camp that Collins wasn’t worth his contract, but thinking Peppers is going to be better than Collins, especially in coverage I think you’re in for a rude awakening.

They are very similar players when it comes to weaknesses.
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Bill L : 5/21/2019 1:27 pm : link
In comment 14451126 NoGainDayne said:
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In comment 14451108 arcarsenal said:


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It's not the GM's job to be a good communicator with the players. That's not what he's here for. That's for Shurmur and the position coaches.

Gettleman's job is to build the roster as effectively as possible and players feelings do not and should not factor into it.

Collins is "heartbroken" the Giants didn't offer him a contract? Tough shit. He didn't deserve his ask. The Redskins overspent on him and he'll be a disappointment there. It's not Gettleman's fault that he didn't overpay to retain him.

Watching him try to cover Barkley on a wheel route or shadow Engram down the field will be a treat because he's not going to be able to to handle either assignment.

We replaced him with a better player who is less costly and isn't going to air all of the Giants dirty laundry to Josina Anderson.

Good riddance.



You are right it isn't the GMs job but it should also be a concern when there are so many examples of him rubbing players in the wrong way in spite of this

Why? All the players he rubbed the wrong way are ostensibly gone. He's brought in players who he can meld with. Beyond, that, they're getting paid to play.
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arcarsenal : 5/21/2019 1:28 pm : link
In comment 14451127 RobCarpenter said:
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In comment 14451108 arcarsenal said:


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Peppers and Collins have very similar flaws and in no way is Peppers a better player right now.



??? How do they have similar flaws?


They don't. They're completely different players.

Peppers is better in coverage - can be deployed as a slot corner. Plays faster. Is more versatile. Can contribute on ST's and actually make plays with the football in his hands.

Collins is an in the box SS who needs to play near the LOS and be sheltered from being isolated in coverage because he's a major liability.

And again, Collins is costlier.

I'll gladly take Peppers. Bettcher is going to be able to do far more with him than he was with Collins.
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arcarsenal : 5/21/2019 1:30 pm : link
I'm not a PFF fan, but this does align with what I've seen from Peppers - who actually improved quite a bit between rookie and soph campaigns.

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According to PFF, Peppers graded out as the leagues 19th ranked safety (77.6 grade), while Collins ranked 39th overall with a 70.4 grade. Peppers’ grades in coverage were far better than Collins’, finishing 2018 with a 77.3 coverage grade. That’s an increase of 15.6 from his rookie year – seeing a spike in efficiency should provide a reason for excitement as Peppers enters his third season as a professional.


He's a better player. You'll see it this year.
RE: What does Peppers do better?  
RobCarpenter : 5/21/2019 1:31 pm : link
In comment 14451129 ajr2456 said:
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I’m in the camp that Collins wasn’t worth his contract, but thinking Peppers is going to be better than Collins, especially in coverage I think you’re in for a rude awakening.

They are very similar players when it comes to weaknesses.


He's much, much better in coverage.
Peppers can play multiple positions on D  
RobCarpenter : 5/21/2019 1:32 pm : link
And Collins can't or won't.
How many other GMs in the league seem to create so many  
NoGainDayne : 5/21/2019 1:33 pm : link
problems with players? How many other GMs seems to stir up so many controversies in the media? How many other GMs that are the star personnel guy he of all people reminds others he is get fired from a job so quickly? Well that was for personality reasons as much as anything with the owner.

The Jones thing was just another example of him creating a bigger shitstorm because of the way he chose to communicate.

Again, this is something that even 20 years ago people said hey, if you get your job done personality doesn't matter. This doesn't exist anymore. Amicable relationships with the people that work for you as well as open mindedness and talent are all viewed as key components of leadership in today's world.
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FatMan in Charlotte : 5/21/2019 1:34 pm : link
this is a great point:

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Peppers is better in coverage - can be deployed as a slot corner.


Peppers was used as a slot corner several times in the past.

You never want Collins in that position.

Collins is the harder hitter, Peppers is more well-rounded, and given Collins injury to the shoulder he uses to hit with - that's a significant detriment
Gettleman was..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/21/2019 1:37 pm : link
fired quickly??

Just more made-up narratives. The list of GM's who have been trashed by former players is long. That isn't unique to Gettleman. You should be more concerned if the players he's letting go actually go on to star while he seemingly gets rid of them for spite.

But you don't want to delve into that area because you'll see his record on that (and his actual record too!) in Carolina is damn good in that regard.
RE: How many other GMs in the league seem to create so many  
Bill L : 5/21/2019 1:37 pm : link
In comment 14451139 NoGainDayne said:
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problems with players? How many other GMs seems to stir up so many controversies in the media? How many other GMs that are the star personnel guy he of all people reminds others he is get fired from a job so quickly? Well that was for personality reasons as much as anything with the owner.

The Jones thing was just another example of him creating a bigger shitstorm because of the way he chose to communicate.

Again, this is something that even 20 years ago people said hey, if you get your job done personality doesn't matter. This doesn't exist anymore. Amicable relationships with the people that work for you as well as open mindedness and talent are all viewed as key components of leadership in today's world.


I honestly don't thin kit matters...even in today's world...unless it's to the people directly in his employ. Even then, I would think that most players have a degree of separation to the GM where his personality (or the public perception of his personality) doesn't really impact their day to day.

And, I think most of his personality issues is media myth and now with the addition of disgruntled ex-employees.
How about you hold on to the pick against the Pats  
Neckbone1333 : 5/21/2019 1:44 pm : link
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Could you imagine tryng to be a successful GM in todays NFL?  
Rjanyg : 5/21/2019 1:51 pm : link
The contracts are insane. College players are expected to produce right away. Most college players have no idea how to play in a pro offense so more and more coaches are implementing college offense concepts to reduce the learning curve. Hundreds of media outlets, social media, personal branding.

I will give Gettlemen credit. He does not give a shit what anybody thinks about his decisions. He has a job to do, he has a vision and it may not be a popular vision.

I don't know how it will play out but this team already looks completely different from December of 2017. Almost unrecognizable.
RE: How about you hold on to the pick against the Pats  
hitdog42 : 5/21/2019 2:00 pm : link
In comment 14451156 Neckbone1333 said:
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yeah what an ass hole--- if only he worked on his craft after that first year and had a top 5 Defensive MVP type year and led the team defensively to the playoffs in 2016... --

"It was definitely hard because I don't do that," Collins said. "I killed myself when I went home, I just couldn't take it, but I'm just ready to get back on the field and just keep it going and prove myself."

"I got over it," he added, "but I mean just to feel that I let the team down is always in the back of your mind."
Collins should be thanking us for letting him go.  
Tom in DC : 5/21/2019 2:08 pm : link
The Giants got a lot of heat for letting him go when we could have franchised him. Instead, we respected his wishes and did not tag him which allowed him to become the leagues highest paid safety (which is ABSURD!).

You are welcome Landon!
RE: Collins should be thanking us for letting him go.  
hitdog42 : 5/21/2019 2:12 pm : link
In comment 14451187 Tom in DC said:
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The Giants got a lot of heat for letting him go when we could have franchised him. Instead, we respected his wishes and did not tag him which allowed him to become the leagues highest paid safety (which is ABSURD!).

You are welcome Landon!


agree with that

mutually beneficial
And regardless..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/21/2019 2:19 pm : link
of if the GM was there to talk up Landon after games or not, he needs to understand he's in a situation that many find themselves in today.

Players on losing teams are expendable. Add in the bump for 2nd contracts, and you really need to be in a great position to negotiate with your current team to be retained.

That doesn't have to do with the GM's demeanor. It has to do with the realities and salary constraints of the NFL. Kevin Abrahms could have lunch with Collins every day and still know that from a cap standpoint his production doesn't match his cost.
hitdog  
ryanmkeane : 5/21/2019 2:30 pm : link
Collins had a great year in 2016...but i think you are overreacting a bit. Losing Collins isn't some massive blow the defense can't recover from.

Also, it was smart business for Gettleman not to pay him that amount. He's not a great all around safety.
RE: hitdog  
hitdog42 : 5/21/2019 2:37 pm : link
In comment 14451224 ryanmkeane said:
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Collins had a great year in 2016...but i think you are overreacting a bit. Losing Collins isn't some massive blow the defense can't recover from.

Also, it was smart business for Gettleman not to pay him that amount. He's not a great all around safety.


never said it was a big loss. all ive done is defend the guy for being a good player and contributor, in particular to the one season that was actually enjoyable in recent memory. Also the guy is not a cancer- plays his ass off- and has a passion for the game and winning. lot of homers here who have no clue about the reality of the giants locker room professing bull shit
Landon Collins can't stop talking.  
Klaatu : 5/21/2019 2:41 pm : link
Period.
Everytime  
Nolan64 : 5/21/2019 2:56 pm : link
Collins opens his mouth it's about why Giants let him walk. He has a hard time accepting that he wasn't worth what he wanted. And he forgets he said he'd holdout if tagged. Too vocal means you talk too DAMN much, stfu.
2 months ago  
ghost718 : 5/21/2019 3:01 pm : link
Collins was on the Michael Kay show,and it was a little different.People described it as classy,and Collins as a "stand up guy".

Now you get this,and it seems like there's a few agendas.Collins has changed a few of his answers to fit ESPN,and perhaps make his new boss happy.And some of the fans have switched from Good Landon to Bad Landon.
RE: Collins quote from the article  
GothamGiants : 5/21/2019 3:13 pm : link
In comment 14451104 Go Terps said:
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"I know with myself, [Harrison], Odell, [Vernon], all we wanted to do was win, and we spoke up because we had to get them to listen to us," Collins said. "We had to get them to get us winning pieces to help us at least be contenders.

"I think we were too vocal, and that platform was bigger than the Giants, you know, and our words stood out more. And ... if it's not good media, they don't want that kind of media."



Get us winning pieces? You were supposed to be the winning pieces, dipshit.

Collins, Harrison, Beckham, Vernon...four of the worst Giants I've ever had the displeasure of rooting for in my 33 years as a fan.


Could not agree more. I’m most excited about this year to actually root for guys I want to actually root for.

Listening to these guys talk after being let go just shows how pathetic this team used to be. Glad Gettleman cleared house of all these “winning pieces”
RE: RE: The hurt was and is about the money.  
djm : 5/21/2019 3:17 pm : link
In comment 14450915 Mike in Long Beach said:
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How dare they not at least try to tag me?



This makes no sense.


Makes perfect sense to me.
RE: there is nothing wrong  
Nolan64 : 5/21/2019 3:20 pm : link
In comment 14450971 hitdog42 said:
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with what he said... at all.

what quote are people offended by? this is standard bbi.

BBI says Giants got rid of people to change culture.... half the board falling over itself to slobber over that idea.... Landon Collins says he and other more vocal guys were not brought back due to culture.... BBI response... what a jerk glad we got rid of him.

he is just giving more insight and nuance to to the word culture. If anyone of us acted the way these players tend to we'd get fired
Seems to me that there are two  
USAF NYG Fan : 5/21/2019 3:31 pm : link
well known players that STILL haven't gotten over being released from the team (OBJ and Collins). I think that sends a strong message to the rest of the team. You are not the coach. You are supposed to play the game the way the coach draws it up.

Collins was not worth what he received. I like Peppers better as an overall player and that doesn't even include taking their contracts into account.

Gettleman shipped out the prima donnas. It's just that simple.
Didn't this guy have 3 women pregnant at the same time as a rookie?  
j_rud : 5/21/2019 3:37 pm : link
Not that its at all relevant to this conversation or his time as a Giant but, ya know, hes a Skin now, so...might as well point out highly questional life decisions.
Landon Collins can't stop being asked about the Giants  
PaulBlakeTSU : 5/21/2019 4:39 pm : link
FTFY
RE: He got paid more money because the Giants didn't mess with him  
mittenedman : 5/21/2019 5:08 pm : link
In comment 14450870 Essex said:
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they could have franchised him and sought to trade him or paid him 11.5 million to play out the year and traded him in the season etc, etc. Instead, they let him go for nothing and he got richly rewarded by another team. I am just a tad befuddled and disappointed that he sees to create a situation once he left when he has nothing other than to be happy by his good fortune. I dunno, I usually don't get bothered by this stuff, but this bothered me. The giants did him right.


Nail on the head. I feel for Collins & I'm always torn when this happens because I believe in re-signing good homegrown talent to 2nd contracts. It's good business and creates a team the fans can invest in. And to that end, Collins truly cared about being a Giant. He was invested in becoming the leader of the team & franchise player.

There's some delusion involved with LC - he's great with great players around him like Alabama and the 2016 Giants D. On bad teams he doesn't look like an elite S. That's 3 of 4 years on the Giants. I'll bet it goes beyond $$$ with Collins, his self-worth was rattled and he took business personal. So even becoming a rich man and reaching the pinnacle of his professional career from a compensation standpoint - the day he was working for his whole life - he's filled with bitterness.
Who is Landon Collins?  
Sy'56 : 5/21/2019 5:56 pm : link
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What you won't  
Nolan64 : 5/21/2019 6:32 pm : link
Ever hear from players like this is the part they played. It's always someone done me wrong. Well as I posted before Collins himself said that he would hold out if they try to tag him.
Gettleman said in several instances that his job as GM is to ELIMINATE distractions. The kind of distractions that the holdout of a popular player would cause. He had to know this would happen. Maybe got bad advice who knows. With all the shit slinging hes done I'm not feeling sorry he's gone.
Did he forget he called a teammate who Mom was facing brain surgery a "cancer". Yeah Eli Apple's Mom was very sick 2017 so may be that was why he wasn't playing well? Anyway you got your $$$s now shutup.
Man why is this guy so fucking bitter?  
Geomon : 5/21/2019 6:34 pm : link
We did him a favor. He got paid more than if we franchised him.
This is what happens when a player over values himself.  
Blue21 : 5/21/2019 6:46 pm : link
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Things like this  
adamg : 5/21/2019 6:51 pm : link
really makes it clear that when DG said you don't quit on talent, he wasn't totally honest. There are other aspects that make players expendable. Like airing all the dirty laundry in the media like Collins does. You kind of have to just laugh at what Collins will say in the media. Laugh and not re-sign him. I'll take the third round comp pick.

Landon's Butt Hurts  
Jim Bur(n)t : 5/21/2019 7:52 pm : link
Can't wait to get him in coverage or try to throw a shoulder at Saquon...

Something tells me that he isnt beyond a cheap shot on our beloved RB,,, Just sayin.
RE: Landon's Butt Hurts  
Diver_Down : 5/21/2019 7:56 pm : link
In comment 14451545 Jim Bur(n)t said:
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Can't wait to get him in coverage or try to throw a shoulder at Saquon...

Something tells me that he isnt beyond a cheap shot on our beloved RB,,, Just sayin.


If Landon throws his shoulder into Barkley's quads, Landon's shoulder will disintegrate.
RE: RE: RE: The hurt was and is about the money.  
FStubbs : 5/21/2019 8:03 pm : link
In comment 14450926 Big Blue '56 said:
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How dare they not at least try to tag me?



This makes no sense.



Seriously? The fact that the Giants didn’t even care enough about him to at least tag him while they negotiated a contract is very telling to me.


And he also promised a fight if the Giants did tag him.
Collins was a solid player...  
EricJ : 5/21/2019 8:16 pm : link
and he did the right thing while he was here. He wishes that we are the team that paid him. He is just upset about that.

The guy was a positive influence and a vocal leader on the team that had very few of those.

Meanwhile, the funny thing is that the day we traded OBJ, most people here were really down on Peppers. Now... it seems like the consensus has changed. Not about trading away OBJ.. but the idea of having Peppers play safety for us
So sick of this guy...  
trueblueinpw : 5/21/2019 8:41 pm : link
Yawn
September 29th  
DavidinBMNY : 5/21/2019 10:31 pm : link
Let's go.

Pretty sure Collins will stop talking at least during the game.

At this point I hope they get Collins on coverage and they make him start taking about something else like why he couldn't cover anyone.

RE: One of those guys  
DavidinBMNY : 5/21/2019 10:35 pm : link
In comment 14450881 Nine-Tails said:
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who every time he speaks, it makes you scratch your head. Is definitely not leadership material in terms of speaking. Remember when he said he wouldn't want Saban to coach the team, that was the moment I realized he wasn't very bright.
I remember he was part of the super bowl coverage one year and he was the worst announcer I have ever seen. He didn't have one meaningful thing to say.
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Bluesbreaker : 5/21/2019 10:39 pm : link
In comment 14450877 arcarsenal said:
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So glad he's gone.


AMEN I am not even going to read WTF he had to say and
good riddance to Him OBJ Snacks Apple and Vernon ...
You can't build a winning team with a rotten Apple .
Imagine some of the things that went on that we know nothing about . I always stuck up for LC but he got a
shit pile of Money and he still just wants to run his mouth
I hope that we talk about them less and talk about the
current Giants .
Man who cares, he's gone  
justafan : 5/22/2019 2:04 am : link
I liked him, bought his jersey, but its done. I'm sure we'll hear plenty more when these two teams face off, but I just don't really care.

I think Peppers will fill in nicely for him, but I'll miss Collins tackling. That was something special.
I Don't Get It  
Bernie : 5/22/2019 10:10 am : link
the man is now the highest paid safety in the league and yet he can't let it go that the Giants did not see the same value. I get being initially stung, but at the end of the day, all these guys talk about it being a business. Sounds to me like someone who thought the grass was greener, but now that he has to mow it, not so much....
One interesting bit from the video that didnt make it into the article  
ron mexico : 5/22/2019 10:49 am : link
He says that he, snacks, OBJ and OV spoke up asking for the pieces they needed to be at least contenders.

I wonder what pieces they were asking for? Players? Coaching?

Seems EX some X- Giant players love this team  
TMS : 5/22/2019 4:32 pm : link
and get nasty when they are let go. Guess that is a good thing for the organization. They should realize that when they are here, not after they leave. Loved Collins by the way. Sorry he did not work out.
RE: Seems EX some X- Giant players love this team  
ron mexico : 5/22/2019 4:40 pm : link
In comment 14452570 TMS said:
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and get nasty when they are let go. Guess that is a good thing for the organization. They should realize that when they are here, not after they leave. Loved Collins by the way. Sorry he did not work out.


I never got the impression Collins ever felt any way other than he loved being a Giant.

It sounds like he had a problem with the team they assembled to compete, much like all of us felt.
RE: RE: Seems EX some X- Giant players love this team  
Milton : 5/22/2019 5:28 pm : link
In comment 14452577 ron mexico said:
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It sounds like he had a problem with the team they assembled to compete.
That must be why he joined the Redskins.
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