they could have franchised him and sought to trade him or paid him 11.5 million to play out the year and traded him in the season etc, etc. Instead, they let him go for nothing and he got richly rewarded by another team. I am just a tad befuddled and disappointed that he sees to create a situation once he left when he has nothing other than to be happy by his good fortune. I dunno, I usually don't get bothered by this stuff, but this bothered me. The giants did him right.
was any good, and Collins was probably right that he was a problem, but Landon did go on radio and on record and call him a cancer to the team. So yeah, he was vocal.
Too vocal, I don't know. His play and effort at least backed it up most of the time. But if we do get a 3rd round comp pick, I think the $ wasn't worth keeping him. And talk about bitter, yeesh.
It's easier for him to come to the conclusion that the Giants Â
who every time he speaks, it makes you scratch your head. Is definitely not leadership material in terms of speaking. Remember when he said he wouldn't want Saban to coach the team, that was the moment I realized he wasn't very bright.
I also think that's more of a reason that he's not playing in a NYG uniform than his inability to play.
The Skins may have overpaid - but I think they did b/c:
A.) teams wanted LC
AND
B.) LC wanted to stay in the NFC East so he could play the Giants twice a year
He was a very physical player and seemed to always play hard.
The problem was his limitations. A safety needs to be able to cover and more importantly have great footwork and take good angles. Too often Collins was out of position and then it was over. He was a good tackler and should have considered a move to ILB.
He is not worth the money Washington paid him. He was not worth investing $11 Million for us.
He was a very physical player and seemed to always play hard.
The problem was his limitations. A safety needs to be able to cover and more importantly have great footwork and take good angles. Too often Collins was out of position and then it was over. He was a good tackler and should have considered a move to ILB.
He is not worth the money Washington paid him. He was not worth investing $11 Million for us.
This is exactly how most realistic Giants fans feel.
Guys who feels since they are gifted athletes and the best player ion their team/unit, that that makes them the leader. In reality, he and Kyrie have no idea how to lead men. This is the first time Collins' act failed and he does not know how to deal with it.
I thought Collins was going to end up being one of the best safeties the Giants have ever had. He was that much of a breakout star. But the past 2 years he didn't come close to that level of play. Now, the team decomposed around him, but he didn't help his cause. He was exposed in coverage, and to be fair, he probably was asked to do more because of the bad play around him and didn't help him.
But the bigger concern has to be that he has missed time the past 2 years due to injuries. And having a bad shoulder as a safety who makes his money as a guy who plays better in the box and as a run enforcer is not a great idea. Last year the safety market was very depressed. This year that changed and the costs jumped significantly. Peppers, all things considered, with cost and less wear and tear, not to mention versatility was a better fit for the Giants organization.
I personally don't buy for one moment that Peppers suddenly showed up on the radar with the Giants discussions with Odell. There is so much going on behind the scenes that we will never know. But I do know that Gettleman doesn't make up his plan on the fly. Whether or not we agree with it, or it works, he doesn't wing it. He saw the negotiations with Collins, he saw the trade for Odell (and the dead cap hit coming) and Peppers helped fill a lot of needs and Collins had to go.
Now, there was likely the added bonus of less Josina Anderson in the Giants locker room. But that wasn't the main driver, however it was a happy biproduct of wishing Odell and Collins bon voyage.
Collins can have his pride hurt all he wants. I do know that putting him in coverage against Saquon or Engram are both horrible mismatches for Washington.
happened when the GM was battling and recovering from cancer. (I don't know if it was. Just wonder if it may have factored in him being less available.)
And he seems a bit surface-skimming with his assessment of his former teammates, which I get. It's them in the trenches, so that bond will be tightest. But there was certainly a hell of a lot more to navigate with Beckham than him making teammates smile and just going out and playing football.
I take his comments for what they are. Personal, and not at all an accurate overview.
and if memory serves, at least one of the articles that came out after the OBJ trade had Dorsey admitting that he tried to offer other players to DG, but we held out and insisted on Peppers.
It’s clear finding a versatile strong safety type for Bettcher’s defense was a priority, and they didn’t think Lando was that guy...probably regardless of price tag.
I appreciate how Lando played hard and played through injuries when he could even during losing seasons, but also look forward to seeing Saquon and Engram run by him, as posted above.
what quote are people offended by? this is standard bbi.
BBI says Giants got rid of people to change culture.... half the board falling over itself to slobber over that idea.... Landon Collins says he and other more vocal guys were not brought back due to culture.... BBI response... what a jerk glad we got rid of him.
he is just giving more insight and nuance to to the word culture.
I also think that's more of a reason that he's not playing in a NYG uniform than his inability to play.
The Skins may have overpaid - but I think they did b/c:
A.) teams wanted LC
AND
B.) LC wanted to stay in the NFC East so he could play the Giants twice a year
Wouldn't him wanting to stay in the NFC East cause the skins to have to pay less than other teams?
I thought Collins was going to end up being one of the best safeties the Giants have ever had. He was that much of a breakout star. But the past 2 years he didn't come close to that level of play. Now, the team decomposed around him, but he didn't help his cause. He was exposed in coverage, and to be fair, he probably was asked to do more because of the bad play around him and didn't help him.
But the bigger concern has to be that he has missed time the past 2 years due to injuries. And having a bad shoulder as a safety who makes his money as a guy who plays better in the box and as a run enforcer is not a great idea. Last year the safety market was very depressed. This year that changed and the costs jumped significantly. Peppers, all things considered, with cost and less wear and tear, not to mention versatility was a better fit for the Giants organization.
I personally don't buy for one moment that Peppers suddenly showed up on the radar with the Giants discussions with Odell. There is so much going on behind the scenes that we will never know. But I do know that Gettleman doesn't make up his plan on the fly. Whether or not we agree with it, or it works, he doesn't wing it. He saw the negotiations with Collins, he saw the trade for Odell (and the dead cap hit coming) and Peppers helped fill a lot of needs and Collins had to go.
Now, there was likely the added bonus of less Josina Anderson in the Giants locker room. But that wasn't the main driver, however it was a happy biproduct of wishing Odell and Collins bon voyage.
Collins can have his pride hurt all he wants. I do know that putting him in coverage against Saquon or Engram are both horrible mismatches for Washington.
Who is Josina Anderson and why is she in the locker room? Why would those two leaving mean she won't be now?
It's not that the Giants thought he was a bad football player or a bad guy in the locker room (although he might not be great), it's just that he's not worth the contract he received.
Had he been cheap to keep they probably would have.
Add in the fact that they'll get a third rounder or something for him and it made it an easy decision.
what quote are people offended by? this is standard bbi.
BBI says Giants got rid of people to change culture.... half the board falling over itself to slobber over that idea.... Landon Collins says he and other more vocal guys were not brought back due to culture.... BBI response... what a jerk glad we got rid of him.
he is just giving more insight and nuance to to the word culture.
Follow the pattern. This is NOT in a vacuum, statement-wise. This has zero to do with culture. It would be if this was his ONLY tweet. They’re non-stop tweets of whining/complaining, with this being the latest he has to offer..
RE: RE: RE: The hurt was and is about the money. Â
Seriously? The fact that the Giants didn’t even care enough about him to at least tag him while they negotiated a contract is very telling to me.
Well he told them he didn't want to be tagged, they didn't tag him, then he acts insulted that he didn't get tagged. Maybe he was menstruating that week.
I thought Collins was going to end up being one of the best safeties the Giants have ever had. He was that much of a breakout star. But the past 2 years he didn't come close to that level of play. Now, the team decomposed around him, but he didn't help his cause. He was exposed in coverage, and to be fair, he probably was asked to do more because of the bad play around him and didn't help him.
But the bigger concern has to be that he has missed time the past 2 years due to injuries. And having a bad shoulder as a safety who makes his money as a guy who plays better in the box and as a run enforcer is not a great idea. Last year the safety market was very depressed. This year that changed and the costs jumped significantly. Peppers, all things considered, with cost and less wear and tear, not to mention versatility was a better fit for the Giants organization.
I personally don't buy for one moment that Peppers suddenly showed up on the radar with the Giants discussions with Odell. There is so much going on behind the scenes that we will never know. But I do know that Gettleman doesn't make up his plan on the fly. Whether or not we agree with it, or it works, he doesn't wing it. He saw the negotiations with Collins, he saw the trade for Odell (and the dead cap hit coming) and Peppers helped fill a lot of needs and Collins had to go.
Now, there was likely the added bonus of less Josina Anderson in the Giants locker room. But that wasn't the main driver, however it was a happy biproduct of wishing Odell and Collins bon voyage.
Collins can have his pride hurt all he wants. I do know that putting him in coverage against Saquon or Engram are both horrible mismatches for Washington.
Who is Josina Anderson and why is she in the locker room? Why would those two leaving mean she won't be now?
She’s the ESPN reporter who regularly quoted “anonymous” sources in the Giants locker room, usually revealing internal gripes.
Don’t know if any of us know for sure, but it’s seemed likely her sources were OBJ and/or Collins.
Someone noted last week that she recently quoted an “anonymous” source in the Browns locker room. Wonder who that was...
I thought Collins was going to end up being one of the best safeties the Giants have ever had. He was that much of a breakout star. But the past 2 years he didn't come close to that level of play. Now, the team decomposed around him, but he didn't help his cause. He was exposed in coverage, and to be fair, he probably was asked to do more because of the bad play around him and didn't help him.
But the bigger concern has to be that he has missed time the past 2 years due to injuries. And having a bad shoulder as a safety who makes his money as a guy who plays better in the box and as a run enforcer is not a great idea. Last year the safety market was very depressed. This year that changed and the costs jumped significantly. Peppers, all things considered, with cost and less wear and tear, not to mention versatility was a better fit for the Giants organization.
I personally don't buy for one moment that Peppers suddenly showed up on the radar with the Giants discussions with Odell. There is so much going on behind the scenes that we will never know. But I do know that Gettleman doesn't make up his plan on the fly. Whether or not we agree with it, or it works, he doesn't wing it. He saw the negotiations with Collins, he saw the trade for Odell (and the dead cap hit coming) and Peppers helped fill a lot of needs and Collins had to go.
Now, there was likely the added bonus of less Josina Anderson in the Giants locker room. But that wasn't the main driver, however it was a happy biproduct of wishing Odell and Collins bon voyage.
Collins can have his pride hurt all he wants. I do know that putting him in coverage against Saquon or Engram are both horrible mismatches for Washington.
Who is Josina Anderson and why is she in the locker room? Why would those two leaving mean she won't be now?
She’s the ESPN reporter who regularly quoted “anonymous” sources in the Giants locker room, usually revealing internal gripes.
Don’t know if any of us know for sure, but it’s seemed likely her sources were OBJ and/or Collins.
Someone noted last week that she recently quoted an “anonymous” source in the Browns locker room. Wonder who that was...
Ah, thanks. I haven't watched or paid attention to ESPN in over a decade, so I didn't recognize the name. Odd because I do hear from other ESPN reporters even still. She must be particularly useless then.
what quote are people offended by? this is standard bbi.
BBI says Giants got rid of people to change culture.... half the board falling over itself to slobber over that idea.... Landon Collins says he and other more vocal guys were not brought back due to culture.... BBI response... what a jerk glad we got rid of him.
he is just giving more insight and nuance to to the word culture.
Follow the pattern. This is NOT in a vacuum, statement-wise. This has zero to do with culture. It would be if this was his ONLY tweet. They’re non-stop tweets of whining/complaining, with this being the latest he has to offer..
he is offering here... what BBI is saying... but BBI has made it dramatic. hes just defining what the Giants are referring to on the culture side which is well liked players who are quite vocal on a losing team. they wanted quiet yes men who were cool with their pathetic leadership and management from above
Too vocal, I don't know. His play and effort at least backed it up most of the time. But if we do get a 3rd round comp pick, I think the $ wasn't worth keeping him. And talk about bitter, yeesh.
+1
I also think that's more of a reason that he's not playing in a NYG uniform than his inability to play.
The Skins may have overpaid - but I think they did b/c:
A.) teams wanted LC
AND
B.) LC wanted to stay in the NFC East so he could play the Giants twice a year
The problem was his limitations. A safety needs to be able to cover and more importantly have great footwork and take good angles. Too often Collins was out of position and then it was over. He was a good tackler and should have considered a move to ILB.
He is not worth the money Washington paid him. He was not worth investing $11 Million for us.
Buh bye.
The problem was his limitations. A safety needs to be able to cover and more importantly have great footwork and take good angles. Too often Collins was out of position and then it was over. He was a good tackler and should have considered a move to ILB.
He is not worth the money Washington paid him. He was not worth investing $11 Million for us.
This is exactly how most realistic Giants fans feel.
Maybe I missed it - but it didn't sound like the Giants were a player in any kind of contract talks with LC
But the bigger concern has to be that he has missed time the past 2 years due to injuries. And having a bad shoulder as a safety who makes his money as a guy who plays better in the box and as a run enforcer is not a great idea. Last year the safety market was very depressed. This year that changed and the costs jumped significantly. Peppers, all things considered, with cost and less wear and tear, not to mention versatility was a better fit for the Giants organization.
I personally don't buy for one moment that Peppers suddenly showed up on the radar with the Giants discussions with Odell. There is so much going on behind the scenes that we will never know. But I do know that Gettleman doesn't make up his plan on the fly. Whether or not we agree with it, or it works, he doesn't wing it. He saw the negotiations with Collins, he saw the trade for Odell (and the dead cap hit coming) and Peppers helped fill a lot of needs and Collins had to go.
Now, there was likely the added bonus of less Josina Anderson in the Giants locker room. But that wasn't the main driver, however it was a happy biproduct of wishing Odell and Collins bon voyage.
Collins can have his pride hurt all he wants. I do know that putting him in coverage against Saquon or Engram are both horrible mismatches for Washington.
And he seems a bit surface-skimming with his assessment of his former teammates, which I get. It's them in the trenches, so that bond will be tightest. But there was certainly a hell of a lot more to navigate with Beckham than him making teammates smile and just going out and playing football.
I take his comments for what they are. Personal, and not at all an accurate overview.
This makes no sense.
It will be interesting to see if Wash would match him up against Engram and/or SB since, everyone seems to know that's the weakest part of his game.
Just shut up.
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How dare they not at least try to tag me?
This makes no sense.
Seriously? The fact that the Giants didn’t even care enough about him to at least tag him while they negotiated a contract is very telling to me.
It’s clear finding a versatile strong safety type for Bettcher’s defense was a priority, and they didn’t think Lando was that guy...probably regardless of price tag.
I appreciate how Lando played hard and played through injuries when he could even during losing seasons, but also look forward to seeing Saquon and Engram run by him, as posted above.
Like you when we took Saquon over a QB?
That was more about Sherman, than the Giants per se
I think his communication skills were poor so I questioned how much leadership he provided.
You got your contract. Be happy.
I think his communication skills were poor so I questioned how much leadership he provided.
Like Urlacher when he was drafted?
You got your contract. Be happy.
Same with OB, there's a pattern here with the players they moved on from.
Pugh
Collins
Beckham
These were the locker room "leaders".
Culture change indeed.
what quote are people offended by? this is standard bbi.
BBI says Giants got rid of people to change culture.... half the board falling over itself to slobber over that idea.... Landon Collins says he and other more vocal guys were not brought back due to culture.... BBI response... what a jerk glad we got rid of him.
he is just giving more insight and nuance to to the word culture.
Quote:
Exhausting and tiresome.
You got your contract. Be happy.
Same with OB, there's a pattern here with the players they moved on from.
Yes- they are actually good football players? and the year that the giants won, were 3 of the 5 best players on the team.
I also think that's more of a reason that he's not playing in a NYG uniform than his inability to play.
The Skins may have overpaid - but I think they did b/c:
A.) teams wanted LC
AND
B.) LC wanted to stay in the NFC East so he could play the Giants twice a year
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In comment 14450958 Eric from BBI said:
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Exhausting and tiresome.
You got your contract. Be happy.
Same with OB, there's a pattern here with the players they moved on from.
Yes- they are actually good football players? and the year that the giants won, were 3 of the 5 best players on the team.
They were also there and chirping non-stop when the team lost in historically bad fashion.
I've seen your posts on this, hitdog, bottom line is DG felt the talking and maintenance was having a negative effect on the team as a whole.
But the bigger concern has to be that he has missed time the past 2 years due to injuries. And having a bad shoulder as a safety who makes his money as a guy who plays better in the box and as a run enforcer is not a great idea. Last year the safety market was very depressed. This year that changed and the costs jumped significantly. Peppers, all things considered, with cost and less wear and tear, not to mention versatility was a better fit for the Giants organization.
I personally don't buy for one moment that Peppers suddenly showed up on the radar with the Giants discussions with Odell. There is so much going on behind the scenes that we will never know. But I do know that Gettleman doesn't make up his plan on the fly. Whether or not we agree with it, or it works, he doesn't wing it. He saw the negotiations with Collins, he saw the trade for Odell (and the dead cap hit coming) and Peppers helped fill a lot of needs and Collins had to go.
Now, there was likely the added bonus of less Josina Anderson in the Giants locker room. But that wasn't the main driver, however it was a happy biproduct of wishing Odell and Collins bon voyage.
Collins can have his pride hurt all he wants. I do know that putting him in coverage against Saquon or Engram are both horrible mismatches for Washington.
Had he been cheap to keep they probably would have.
Add in the fact that they'll get a third rounder or something for him and it made it an easy decision.
what quote are people offended by? this is standard bbi.
BBI says Giants got rid of people to change culture.... half the board falling over itself to slobber over that idea.... Landon Collins says he and other more vocal guys were not brought back due to culture.... BBI response... what a jerk glad we got rid of him.
he is just giving more insight and nuance to to the word culture.
Follow the pattern. This is NOT in a vacuum, statement-wise. This has zero to do with culture. It would be if this was his ONLY tweet. They’re non-stop tweets of whining/complaining, with this being the latest he has to offer..
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In comment 14450869 Big Blue '56 said:
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How dare they not at least try to tag me?
This makes no sense.
Seriously? The fact that the Giants didn’t even care enough about him to at least tag him while they negotiated a contract is very telling to me.
Quote:
I thought Collins was going to end up being one of the best safeties the Giants have ever had. He was that much of a breakout star. But the past 2 years he didn't come close to that level of play. Now, the team decomposed around him, but he didn't help his cause. He was exposed in coverage, and to be fair, he probably was asked to do more because of the bad play around him and didn't help him.
But the bigger concern has to be that he has missed time the past 2 years due to injuries. And having a bad shoulder as a safety who makes his money as a guy who plays better in the box and as a run enforcer is not a great idea. Last year the safety market was very depressed. This year that changed and the costs jumped significantly. Peppers, all things considered, with cost and less wear and tear, not to mention versatility was a better fit for the Giants organization.
I personally don't buy for one moment that Peppers suddenly showed up on the radar with the Giants discussions with Odell. There is so much going on behind the scenes that we will never know. But I do know that Gettleman doesn't make up his plan on the fly. Whether or not we agree with it, or it works, he doesn't wing it. He saw the negotiations with Collins, he saw the trade for Odell (and the dead cap hit coming) and Peppers helped fill a lot of needs and Collins had to go.
Now, there was likely the added bonus of less Josina Anderson in the Giants locker room. But that wasn't the main driver, however it was a happy biproduct of wishing Odell and Collins bon voyage.
Collins can have his pride hurt all he wants. I do know that putting him in coverage against Saquon or Engram are both horrible mismatches for Washington.
Who is Josina Anderson and why is she in the locker room? Why would those two leaving mean she won't be now?
She’s the ESPN reporter who regularly quoted “anonymous” sources in the Giants locker room, usually revealing internal gripes.
Don’t know if any of us know for sure, but it’s seemed likely her sources were OBJ and/or Collins.
Someone noted last week that she recently quoted an “anonymous” source in the Browns locker room. Wonder who that was...
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In comment 14450908 Matt in SGS said:
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I thought Collins was going to end up being one of the best safeties the Giants have ever had. He was that much of a breakout star. But the past 2 years he didn't come close to that level of play. Now, the team decomposed around him, but he didn't help his cause. He was exposed in coverage, and to be fair, he probably was asked to do more because of the bad play around him and didn't help him.
But the bigger concern has to be that he has missed time the past 2 years due to injuries. And having a bad shoulder as a safety who makes his money as a guy who plays better in the box and as a run enforcer is not a great idea. Last year the safety market was very depressed. This year that changed and the costs jumped significantly. Peppers, all things considered, with cost and less wear and tear, not to mention versatility was a better fit for the Giants organization.
I personally don't buy for one moment that Peppers suddenly showed up on the radar with the Giants discussions with Odell. There is so much going on behind the scenes that we will never know. But I do know that Gettleman doesn't make up his plan on the fly. Whether or not we agree with it, or it works, he doesn't wing it. He saw the negotiations with Collins, he saw the trade for Odell (and the dead cap hit coming) and Peppers helped fill a lot of needs and Collins had to go.
Now, there was likely the added bonus of less Josina Anderson in the Giants locker room. But that wasn't the main driver, however it was a happy biproduct of wishing Odell and Collins bon voyage.
Collins can have his pride hurt all he wants. I do know that putting him in coverage against Saquon or Engram are both horrible mismatches for Washington.
Who is Josina Anderson and why is she in the locker room? Why would those two leaving mean she won't be now?
She’s the ESPN reporter who regularly quoted “anonymous” sources in the Giants locker room, usually revealing internal gripes.
Don’t know if any of us know for sure, but it’s seemed likely her sources were OBJ and/or Collins.
Someone noted last week that she recently quoted an “anonymous” source in the Browns locker room. Wonder who that was...
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with what he said... at all.
what quote are people offended by? this is standard bbi.
BBI says Giants got rid of people to change culture.... half the board falling over itself to slobber over that idea.... Landon Collins says he and other more vocal guys were not brought back due to culture.... BBI response... what a jerk glad we got rid of him.
he is just giving more insight and nuance to to the word culture.
Follow the pattern. This is NOT in a vacuum, statement-wise. This has zero to do with culture. It would be if this was his ONLY tweet. They’re non-stop tweets of whining/complaining, with this being the latest he has to offer..
he is offering here... what BBI is saying... but BBI has made it dramatic. hes just defining what the Giants are referring to on the culture side which is well liked players who are quite vocal on a losing team. they wanted quiet yes men who were cool with their pathetic leadership and management from above
But Collins wasn't brought back because of the $ and his limitations. How does that have anything to do with culture?
He was also a pretty quiet dude, didn't cause a lot of controversies or anything.