what quote are people offended by? this is standard bbi.
BBI says Giants got rid of people to change culture.... half the board falling over itself to slobber over that idea.... Landon Collins says he and other more vocal guys were not brought back due to culture.... BBI response... what a jerk glad we got rid of him.
he is just giving more insight and nuance to to the word culture.
Follow the pattern. This is NOT in a vacuum, statement-wise. This has zero to do with culture. It would be if this was his ONLY tweet. They’re non-stop tweets of whining/complaining, with this being the latest he has to offer..
he is offering here... what BBI is saying... but BBI has made it dramatic. hes just defining what the Giants are referring to on the culture side which is well liked players who are quite vocal on a losing team. they wanted quiet yes men who were cool with their pathetic leadership and management from above
It's not that they want quiet yes men. They want people who don't bitch to the media when things went south. It's not that these guys were upset, it's that they whined to reporters about it and in some cases openly talked about other players - as in when LC complained about Apple being a cancer.
Oh please... you know what the cancer was? Bad coaching and bad players brought on by bad drafting. Collins wasn’t the problem here but he wanted big bucks and he wasn’t drafted by DG and part of the future plan. That’s it. Why does everyone need to label these guys?
because Giant personnel management did not see him in the defensive scheme they envision. His skill set is that of a old style MLB like Harry Carson. He cannot cover but is tremendous pursuing the ball making tackles and moving forward. An old time 3/4 guy. Great team guy wish it was otherwise. Wish him well but STFU already. You are well paid.
while he was here. He was good but never reached his potential and certainly wasn't worth what the Redskins paid him. Sorry to see him go, but it would have been unwise for the Giants to use so much of the salary cap on him based on his past performance.
addressed this in Carolina when Steve Smith was let go.
He said that he's not the GM to be personal messengers delivering news. When he deals with agents supposedly looking out for the best interests of their players and delivers a message - he expects it to be passed along. He made the comment "What GM plays the role of "The Turk". None"
Steve Smith and DeAngelo Williams both are mentioned in an article when Gettleman was hired in Carolina as appreciating his no nonsense demeanor. Then when they were both released, Williams called him a snake and Smith bitched that he found pout he was released over the radio (which actually wasn't true. He and his agent were told and appealed to Richardson for him to stay).
addressed this in Carolina when Steve Smith was let go.
He said that he's not the GM to be personal messengers delivering news. When he deals with agents supposedly looking out for the best interests of their players and delivers a message - he expects it to be passed along. He made the comment "What GM plays the role of "The Turk". None"
Steve Smith and DeAngelo Williams both are mentioned in an article when Gettleman was hired in Carolina as appreciating his no nonsense demeanor. Then when they were both released, Williams called him a snake and Smith bitched that he found pout he was released over the radio (which actually wasn't true. He and his agent were told and appealed to Richardson for him to stay).
It’s not at the time of release that is worrisome. It’s while the players are here.
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"I wish he'd say something. Try to," Collins said. "I mean, he had come around, shake your hand, say 'Good job, big fella,' or something like that. But honestly, talking to him, or saying anything, having a full conversation or anything with him, nothing.
"I mean, he basically ... I don't know him, he don't know me, that's kind of how it just kind of was."
Gettleman goes up and says "Stop the TE from beating you like a drum", how's that going to go over??
Like I said, Smith and Williams didn't mind his no nonsense approach while they were Panthers. Had a lot of problems with it when they were ex-Panthers.
you think Jerry Reese was in the locker room high-fiving guys?
was so odd. Rarely do you see players even mention the GM, i guess only if they retire to say thank you, or when they are drafted, etc. Seemed like a classic case of those Panthers guys being very bitter. What other GM has this amazing relationship with players??
"culture change" thing with Collins. Beckham, sure, I get that. Everyone would.
But Collins wasn't brought back because of the $ and his limitations. How does that have anything to do with culture?
He was also a pretty quiet dude, didn't cause a lot of controversies or anything.
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Collins was a pretty quiet dude? Calling a teammate
a 'cancer' is hardly a 'quiet dude'. It doesn't matter
if some agree with that comment, you don't do that
in the locker room!
That thought after the 2016 season, LC was going to be the next in the long line of great Giant defensive players. Like many have said, his play the last 2 seasons simply did not come close to touching that performance.
For all the talk about how LC was a great teammate and great leader, I felt that he handled many situations incorrectly. He was outspoken, but not in the same way that a Strahan or Pierce was. Every time an internal situation arose, it didn't seem that LC galvanized the team or handled the situation in the right way.
I think LC thought of himself as a leader and tried his best to be, but didn't exactly have "it" when it came down to being a true leader. He never was actually able to say or do the right thing at the right time.
Love all that he did during his tenure here and he sure as heck always played hard. I am not sad that Getty did not pay him that money he was looking for. Just like the Odell situation, I think this might end up being an addition by subtraction deal. Both players seem bitter about it as well.
was so odd. Rarely do you see players even mention the GM, i guess only if they retire to say thank you, or when they are drafted, etc. Seemed like a classic case of those Panthers guys being very bitter. What other GM has this amazing relationship with players??
A lot of the players loved Reese. Did that make him a good GM?
He was a good GM when he was drafting good players and make smart FA decisions. Then he wasn’t.
Some people here have a lot of trouble with grey areas Â
Many here want to act under the belief that somehow we assembled this horrendous collection of people with attitude problems and Reese and Ross were ENTIRELY to blame for this.
Here's the reality. Either many people still in the Giants building have trouble assessing who might have attitude problems or some of the attitude problems are created IN THE BUILDING by people who are still there. There isn't such a thing as two people in upper management but not at the top being the extent of a problem they are made out to be here.
There is also this definite problem that Gettleman doesn't seem to know how to communicate well, with the media, with his stars, with his prior owner. It doesn't seem to matter how many people complain about this, people on this site seem to be content to blame non-Gettleman people for each and every one of the people he clashes with. I can't believe there are this many people that don't seem to understand every conflict involves mistakes on both sides. And the more conflicts that one person seems to be involved in with multiple parties the higher the chance that that person might be perhaps a big part of all those conflicts.
Somehow Collins was valuable enough to not trade for a 3rd round pick but not valuable enough to treat with the respect that he feels he deserved to such an extent that he is saying this.
Collins isn't "proving he is an asshole" anymore than Gettleman is proving he is an asshole.
Yep. Gettleman is to blame for the attitudes of a lot of players who weren't here when he was around.
Isn't that what you're insinuating?
Maybe there's a way to assign analytics to the way a GM interacts with people??
I just want you to know i'm actually done responding to you completely. Maybe just save yourself time and stop responding to me. You are a terrible person who I have no time for so bye.
RE: Some people here have a lot of trouble with grey areas Â
Many here want to act under the belief that somehow we assembled this horrendous collection of people with attitude problems and Reese and Ross were ENTIRELY to blame for this.
Here's the reality. Either many people still in the Giants building have trouble assessing who might have attitude problems or some of the attitude problems are created IN THE BUILDING by people who are still there. There isn't such a thing as two people in upper management but not at the top being the extent of a problem they are made out to be here.
There is also this definite problem that Gettleman doesn't seem to know how to communicate well, with the media, with his stars, with his prior owner. It doesn't seem to matter how many people complain about this, people on this site seem to be content to blame non-Gettleman people for each and every one of the people he clashes with. I can't believe there are this many people that don't seem to understand every conflict involves mistakes on both sides. And the more conflicts that one person seems to be involved in with multiple parties the higher the chance that that person might be perhaps a big part of all those conflicts.
Somehow Collins was valuable enough to not trade for a 3rd round pick but not valuable enough to treat with the respect that he feels he deserved to such an extent that he is saying this.
Collins isn't "proving he is an asshole" anymore than Gettleman is proving he is an asshole.
They're going to get a 3rd rounder anyway. The complaining that we didn't deal him during the year is moot, cost us nothing in the long-run, and Gettleman has explained his logic there several times already.
first time I've made that point in relation to this. Because there is new information about how Collins has specifically cited that DG is a bad communicator right here.
I mean it's like the first rule of a relationship with anyone. If you value them you show that in how you communicate.
If you look at his contract details it's for two years and 26 million. Highly unlikely he sees a penny more than that from Washington. Don't get me wrong good money for an NFL safety but nowhere near the bold headline 84 million it was made out to be as per usual of all NFL contracts.
"I know with myself, [Harrison], Odell, [Vernon], all we wanted to do was win, and we spoke up because we had to get them to listen to us," Collins said. "We had to get them to get us winning pieces to help us at least be contenders.
"I think we were too vocal, and that platform was bigger than the Giants, you know, and our words stood out more. And ... if it's not good media, they don't want that kind of media."
Get us winning pieces? You were supposed to be the winning pieces, dipshit.
Collins, Harrison, Beckham, Vernon...four of the worst Giants I've ever had the displeasure of rooting for in my 33 years as a fan.
In the little over a year Gettleman was his GM doesn’t mean he was a fan.
He said similar things as Collins
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“[Gettleman] doesn’t even have the cojones to tell us to our face [about the release],” Smith said. “We have to hear it from someone else. Then he calls and says it wasn’t personal. If the first thing that comes out is ‘well it wasn’t personal,’ then guess what? It was personal.”
"I know with myself, [Harrison], Odell, [Vernon], all we wanted to do was win, and we spoke up because we had to get them to listen to us," Collins said. "We had to get them to get us winning pieces to help us at least be contenders.
"I think we were too vocal, and that platform was bigger than the Giants, you know, and our words stood out more. And ... if it's not good media, they don't want that kind of media."
Get us winning pieces? You were supposed to be the winning pieces, dipshit.
Collins, Harrison, Beckham, Vernon...four of the worst Giants I've ever had the displeasure of rooting for in my 33 years as a fan.
It's not the GM's job to be a good communicator with the players. That's not what he's here for. That's for Shurmur and the position coaches.
Gettleman's job is to build the roster as effectively as possible and players feelings do not and should not factor into it.
Collins is "heartbroken" the Giants didn't offer him a contract? Tough shit. He didn't deserve his ask. The Redskins overspent on him and he'll be a disappointment there. It's not Gettleman's fault that he didn't overpay to retain him.
Watching him try to cover Barkley on a wheel route or shadow Engram down the field will be a treat because he's not going to be able to to handle either assignment.
We replaced him with a better player who is less costly and isn't going to air all of the Giants dirty laundry to Josina Anderson.
if I can find the article when Smith said how it was nice to have Gettleman's non-nonsense approach.
The problem was, Smith saw himself retiring as a Panther and he's actually bitter to this day that Richardson stood up for Davis and Olsen but not him
Smith was released - but he was told it was coming. Gettleman met with them and told them that he was going to be released. They then went to Richardson to stop it from happening and he didn't.
Problem was - Smith was a regular on radio, so he could tell one side and have it be looked at as the truth.
It's not the GM's job to be a good communicator with the players. That's not what he's here for. That's for Shurmur and the position coaches.
Gettleman's job is to build the roster as effectively as possible and players feelings do not and should not factor into it.
Collins is "heartbroken" the Giants didn't offer him a contract? Tough shit. He didn't deserve his ask. The Redskins overspent on him and he'll be a disappointment there. It's not Gettleman's fault that he didn't overpay to retain him.
Watching him try to cover Barkley on a wheel route or shadow Engram down the field will be a treat because he's not going to be able to to handle either assignment.
We replaced him with a better player who is less costly and isn't going to air all of the Giants dirty laundry to Josina Anderson.
Good riddance.
Peppers and Collins have very similar flaws and in no way is Peppers a better player right now.
CC Brown was not a talented player, and not expected to be a cornerstone of the franchise. He didn't have the time and resources invested in him to do much damage to the organization...when it became clear that he couldn't play he was replaced. I can live with guys like that...playing in the NFL is hard.
But Collins, Beckham, Harrison, Vernon...these guys all have talent to play in the NFL and then some. Because of that, the Giants invested time and money in them to be the backbone of the team. They responded to that investment by being complete losers. Those guys did more damage to the Giants than CC Brown ever could.
It's not the GM's job to be a good communicator with the players. That's not what he's here for. That's for Shurmur and the position coaches.
Gettleman's job is to build the roster as effectively as possible and players feelings do not and should not factor into it.
Collins is "heartbroken" the Giants didn't offer him a contract? Tough shit. He didn't deserve his ask. The Redskins overspent on him and he'll be a disappointment there. It's not Gettleman's fault that he didn't overpay to retain him.
Watching him try to cover Barkley on a wheel route or shadow Engram down the field will be a treat because he's not going to be able to to handle either assignment.
We replaced him with a better player who is less costly and isn't going to air all of the Giants dirty laundry to Josina Anderson.
Good riddance.
Peppers and Collins have very similar flaws and in no way is Peppers a better player right now.
This is completely inaccurate.
Peppers is a far more versatile player than Collins is.
Collins is a one trick pony, a loudmouth and more expensive.
It's not the GM's job to be a good communicator with the players. That's not what he's here for. That's for Shurmur and the position coaches.
Gettleman's job is to build the roster as effectively as possible and players feelings do not and should not factor into it.
Collins is "heartbroken" the Giants didn't offer him a contract? Tough shit. He didn't deserve his ask. The Redskins overspent on him and he'll be a disappointment there. It's not Gettleman's fault that he didn't overpay to retain him.
Watching him try to cover Barkley on a wheel route or shadow Engram down the field will be a treat because he's not going to be able to to handle either assignment.
We replaced him with a better player who is less costly and isn't going to air all of the Giants dirty laundry to Josina Anderson.
Good riddance.
You are right it isn't the GMs job but it should also be a concern when there are so many examples of him rubbing players in the wrong way in spite of this
I’m in the camp that Collins wasn’t worth his contract, but thinking Peppers is going to be better than Collins, especially in coverage I think you’re in for a rude awakening.
They are very similar players when it comes to weaknesses.
It's not the GM's job to be a good communicator with the players. That's not what he's here for. That's for Shurmur and the position coaches.
Gettleman's job is to build the roster as effectively as possible and players feelings do not and should not factor into it.
Collins is "heartbroken" the Giants didn't offer him a contract? Tough shit. He didn't deserve his ask. The Redskins overspent on him and he'll be a disappointment there. It's not Gettleman's fault that he didn't overpay to retain him.
Watching him try to cover Barkley on a wheel route or shadow Engram down the field will be a treat because he's not going to be able to to handle either assignment.
We replaced him with a better player who is less costly and isn't going to air all of the Giants dirty laundry to Josina Anderson.
Good riddance.
You are right it isn't the GMs job but it should also be a concern when there are so many examples of him rubbing players in the wrong way in spite of this
Why? All the players he rubbed the wrong way are ostensibly gone. He's brought in players who he can meld with. Beyond, that, they're getting paid to play.
Peppers and Collins have very similar flaws and in no way is Peppers a better player right now.
??? How do they have similar flaws?
They don't. They're completely different players.
Peppers is better in coverage - can be deployed as a slot corner. Plays faster. Is more versatile. Can contribute on ST's and actually make plays with the football in his hands.
Collins is an in the box SS who needs to play near the LOS and be sheltered from being isolated in coverage because he's a major liability.
And again, Collins is costlier.
I'll gladly take Peppers. Bettcher is going to be able to do far more with him than he was with Collins.
I'm not a PFF fan, but this does align with what I've seen from Peppers - who actually improved quite a bit between rookie and soph campaigns.
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According to PFF, Peppers graded out as the leagues 19th ranked safety (77.6 grade), while Collins ranked 39th overall with a 70.4 grade. Peppers’ grades in coverage were far better than Collins’, finishing 2018 with a 77.3 coverage grade. That’s an increase of 15.6 from his rookie year – seeing a spike in efficiency should provide a reason for excitement as Peppers enters his third season as a professional.
I’m in the camp that Collins wasn’t worth his contract, but thinking Peppers is going to be better than Collins, especially in coverage I think you’re in for a rude awakening.
They are very similar players when it comes to weaknesses.
problems with players? How many other GMs seems to stir up so many controversies in the media? How many other GMs that are the star personnel guy he of all people reminds others he is get fired from a job so quickly? Well that was for personality reasons as much as anything with the owner.
The Jones thing was just another example of him creating a bigger shitstorm because of the way he chose to communicate.
Again, this is something that even 20 years ago people said hey, if you get your job done personality doesn't matter. This doesn't exist anymore. Amicable relationships with the people that work for you as well as open mindedness and talent are all viewed as key components of leadership in today's world.
Peppers is better in coverage - can be deployed as a slot corner.
Peppers was used as a slot corner several times in the past.
You never want Collins in that position.
Collins is the harder hitter, Peppers is more well-rounded, and given Collins injury to the shoulder he uses to hit with - that's a significant detriment
Just more made-up narratives. The list of GM's who have been trashed by former players is long. That isn't unique to Gettleman. You should be more concerned if the players he's letting go actually go on to star while he seemingly gets rid of them for spite.
But you don't want to delve into that area because you'll see his record on that (and his actual record too!) in Carolina is damn good in that regard.
RE: How many other GMs in the league seem to create so many Â
problems with players? How many other GMs seems to stir up so many controversies in the media? How many other GMs that are the star personnel guy he of all people reminds others he is get fired from a job so quickly? Well that was for personality reasons as much as anything with the owner.
The Jones thing was just another example of him creating a bigger shitstorm because of the way he chose to communicate.
Again, this is something that even 20 years ago people said hey, if you get your job done personality doesn't matter. This doesn't exist anymore. Amicable relationships with the people that work for you as well as open mindedness and talent are all viewed as key components of leadership in today's world.
I honestly don't thin kit matters...even in today's world...unless it's to the people directly in his employ. Even then, I would think that most players have a degree of separation to the GM where his personality (or the public perception of his personality) doesn't really impact their day to day.
And, I think most of his personality issues is media myth and now with the addition of disgruntled ex-employees.
How about you hold on to the pick against the Pats Â
The contracts are insane. College players are expected to produce right away. Most college players have no idea how to play in a pro offense so more and more coaches are implementing college offense concepts to reduce the learning curve. Hundreds of media outlets, social media, personal branding.
I will give Gettlemen credit. He does not give a shit what anybody thinks about his decisions. He has a job to do, he has a vision and it may not be a popular vision.
I don't know how it will play out but this team already looks completely different from December of 2017. Almost unrecognizable.
RE: How about you hold on to the pick against the Pats Â
yeah what an ass hole--- if only he worked on his craft after that first year and had a top 5 Defensive MVP type year and led the team defensively to the playoffs in 2016... --
"It was definitely hard because I don't do that," Collins said. "I killed myself when I went home, I just couldn't take it, but I'm just ready to get back on the field and just keep it going and prove myself."
"I got over it," he added, "but I mean just to feel that I let the team down is always in the back of your mind."
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with what he said... at all.
what quote are people offended by? this is standard bbi.
BBI says Giants got rid of people to change culture.... half the board falling over itself to slobber over that idea.... Landon Collins says he and other more vocal guys were not brought back due to culture.... BBI response... what a jerk glad we got rid of him.
he is just giving more insight and nuance to to the word culture.
Follow the pattern. This is NOT in a vacuum, statement-wise. This has zero to do with culture. It would be if this was his ONLY tweet. They’re non-stop tweets of whining/complaining, with this being the latest he has to offer..
he is offering here... what BBI is saying... but BBI has made it dramatic. hes just defining what the Giants are referring to on the culture side which is well liked players who are quite vocal on a losing team. they wanted quiet yes men who were cool with their pathetic leadership and management from above
It's not that they want quiet yes men. They want people who don't bitch to the media when things went south. It's not that these guys were upset, it's that they whined to reporters about it and in some cases openly talked about other players - as in when LC complained about Apple being a cancer.
Oh please... you know what the cancer was? Bad coaching and bad players brought on by bad drafting. Collins wasn’t the problem here but he wanted big bucks and he wasn’t drafted by DG and part of the future plan. That’s it. Why does everyone need to label these guys?
Buh bye.
Agreed.
He said that he's not the GM to be personal messengers delivering news. When he deals with agents supposedly looking out for the best interests of their players and delivers a message - he expects it to be passed along. He made the comment "What GM plays the role of "The Turk". None"
Steve Smith and DeAngelo Williams both are mentioned in an article when Gettleman was hired in Carolina as appreciating his no nonsense demeanor. Then when they were both released, Williams called him a snake and Smith bitched that he found pout he was released over the radio (which actually wasn't true. He and his agent were told and appealed to Richardson for him to stay).
He said that he's not the GM to be personal messengers delivering news. When he deals with agents supposedly looking out for the best interests of their players and delivers a message - he expects it to be passed along. He made the comment "What GM plays the role of "The Turk". None"
Steve Smith and DeAngelo Williams both are mentioned in an article when Gettleman was hired in Carolina as appreciating his no nonsense demeanor. Then when they were both released, Williams called him a snake and Smith bitched that he found pout he was released over the radio (which actually wasn't true. He and his agent were told and appealed to Richardson for him to stay).
It’s not at the time of release that is worrisome. It’s while the players are here.
"I mean, he basically ... I don't know him, he don't know me, that's kind of how it just kind of was."
Like I said, Smith and Williams didn't mind his no nonsense approach while they were Panthers. Had a lot of problems with it when they were ex-Panthers.
you think Jerry Reese was in the locker room high-fiving guys?
But Collins wasn't brought back because of the $ and his limitations. How does that have anything to do with culture?
He was also a pretty quiet dude, didn't cause a lot of controversies or anything.
Collins was a pretty quiet dude? Calling a teammate
a 'cancer' is hardly a 'quiet dude'. It doesn't matter
if some agree with that comment, you don't do that
in the locker room!
For all the talk about how LC was a great teammate and great leader, I felt that he handled many situations incorrectly. He was outspoken, but not in the same way that a Strahan or Pierce was. Every time an internal situation arose, it didn't seem that LC galvanized the team or handled the situation in the right way.
I think LC thought of himself as a leader and tried his best to be, but didn't exactly have "it" when it came down to being a true leader. He never was actually able to say or do the right thing at the right time.
Love all that he did during his tenure here and he sure as heck always played hard. I am not sad that Getty did not pay him that money he was looking for. Just like the Odell situation, I think this might end up being an addition by subtraction deal. Both players seem bitter about it as well.
A lot of the players loved Reese. Did that make him a good GM?
He was a good GM when he was drafting good players and make smart FA decisions. Then he wasn’t.
Many here want to act under the belief that somehow we assembled this horrendous collection of people with attitude problems and Reese and Ross were ENTIRELY to blame for this.
Here's the reality. Either many people still in the Giants building have trouble assessing who might have attitude problems or some of the attitude problems are created IN THE BUILDING by people who are still there. There isn't such a thing as two people in upper management but not at the top being the extent of a problem they are made out to be here.
There is also this definite problem that Gettleman doesn't seem to know how to communicate well, with the media, with his stars, with his prior owner. It doesn't seem to matter how many people complain about this, people on this site seem to be content to blame non-Gettleman people for each and every one of the people he clashes with. I can't believe there are this many people that don't seem to understand every conflict involves mistakes on both sides. And the more conflicts that one person seems to be involved in with multiple parties the higher the chance that that person might be perhaps a big part of all those conflicts.
Somehow Collins was valuable enough to not trade for a 3rd round pick but not valuable enough to treat with the respect that he feels he deserved to such an extent that he is saying this.
Collins isn't "proving he is an asshole" anymore than Gettleman is proving he is an asshole.
Isn't that what you're insinuating?
Maybe there's a way to assign analytics to the way a GM interacts with people??
Isn't that what you're insinuating?
Maybe there's a way to assign analytics to the way a GM interacts with people??
I just want you to know i'm actually done responding to you completely. Maybe just save yourself time and stop responding to me. You are a terrible person who I have no time for so bye.
Many here want to act under the belief that somehow we assembled this horrendous collection of people with attitude problems and Reese and Ross were ENTIRELY to blame for this.
Here's the reality. Either many people still in the Giants building have trouble assessing who might have attitude problems or some of the attitude problems are created IN THE BUILDING by people who are still there. There isn't such a thing as two people in upper management but not at the top being the extent of a problem they are made out to be here.
There is also this definite problem that Gettleman doesn't seem to know how to communicate well, with the media, with his stars, with his prior owner. It doesn't seem to matter how many people complain about this, people on this site seem to be content to blame non-Gettleman people for each and every one of the people he clashes with. I can't believe there are this many people that don't seem to understand every conflict involves mistakes on both sides. And the more conflicts that one person seems to be involved in with multiple parties the higher the chance that that person might be perhaps a big part of all those conflicts.
Somehow Collins was valuable enough to not trade for a 3rd round pick but not valuable enough to treat with the respect that he feels he deserved to such an extent that he is saying this.
Collins isn't "proving he is an asshole" anymore than Gettleman is proving he is an asshole.
They're going to get a 3rd rounder anyway. The complaining that we didn't deal him during the year is moot, cost us nothing in the long-run, and Gettleman has explained his logic there several times already.
It's a dead horse. Stop beating it.
I mean it's like the first rule of a relationship with anyone. If you value them you show that in how you communicate.
Especially some guy who claims I'm a terrible person. Might be fun.
You faux self-righteous moron.
If you look at his contract details it's for two years and 26 million. Highly unlikely he sees a penny more than that from Washington. Don't get me wrong good money for an NFL safety but nowhere near the bold headline 84 million it was made out to be as per usual of all NFL contracts.
"I think we were too vocal, and that platform was bigger than the Giants, you know, and our words stood out more. And ... if it's not good media, they don't want that kind of media."
Get us winning pieces? You were supposed to be the winning pieces, dipshit.
Collins, Harrison, Beckham, Vernon...four of the worst Giants I've ever had the displeasure of rooting for in my 33 years as a fan.
He said similar things as Collins
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"I know with myself, [Harrison], Odell, [Vernon], all we wanted to do was win, and we spoke up because we had to get them to listen to us," Collins said. "We had to get them to get us winning pieces to help us at least be contenders.
"I think we were too vocal, and that platform was bigger than the Giants, you know, and our words stood out more. And ... if it's not good media, they don't want that kind of media."
Get us winning pieces? You were supposed to be the winning pieces, dipshit.
Collins, Harrison, Beckham, Vernon...four of the worst Giants I've ever had the displeasure of rooting for in my 33 years as a fan.
Cc Brown doesn’t make the cut?
Gettleman's job is to build the roster as effectively as possible and players feelings do not and should not factor into it.
Collins is "heartbroken" the Giants didn't offer him a contract? Tough shit. He didn't deserve his ask. The Redskins overspent on him and he'll be a disappointment there. It's not Gettleman's fault that he didn't overpay to retain him.
Watching him try to cover Barkley on a wheel route or shadow Engram down the field will be a treat because he's not going to be able to to handle either assignment.
We replaced him with a better player who is less costly and isn't going to air all of the Giants dirty laundry to Josina Anderson.
Good riddance.
The problem was, Smith saw himself retiring as a Panther and he's actually bitter to this day that Richardson stood up for Davis and Olsen but not him
Smith was released - but he was told it was coming. Gettleman met with them and told them that he was going to be released. They then went to Richardson to stop it from happening and he didn't.
Problem was - Smith was a regular on radio, so he could tell one side and have it be looked at as the truth.
Gettleman's job is to build the roster as effectively as possible and players feelings do not and should not factor into it.
Collins is "heartbroken" the Giants didn't offer him a contract? Tough shit. He didn't deserve his ask. The Redskins overspent on him and he'll be a disappointment there. It's not Gettleman's fault that he didn't overpay to retain him.
Watching him try to cover Barkley on a wheel route or shadow Engram down the field will be a treat because he's not going to be able to to handle either assignment.
We replaced him with a better player who is less costly and isn't going to air all of the Giants dirty laundry to Josina Anderson.
Good riddance.
Peppers and Collins have very similar flaws and in no way is Peppers a better player right now.
CC Brown was not a talented player, and not expected to be a cornerstone of the franchise. He didn't have the time and resources invested in him to do much damage to the organization...when it became clear that he couldn't play he was replaced. I can live with guys like that...playing in the NFL is hard.
But Collins, Beckham, Harrison, Vernon...these guys all have talent to play in the NFL and then some. Because of that, the Giants invested time and money in them to be the backbone of the team. They responded to that investment by being complete losers. Those guys did more damage to the Giants than CC Brown ever could.
Fuck each of them.
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It's not the GM's job to be a good communicator with the players. That's not what he's here for. That's for Shurmur and the position coaches.
Gettleman's job is to build the roster as effectively as possible and players feelings do not and should not factor into it.
Collins is "heartbroken" the Giants didn't offer him a contract? Tough shit. He didn't deserve his ask. The Redskins overspent on him and he'll be a disappointment there. It's not Gettleman's fault that he didn't overpay to retain him.
Watching him try to cover Barkley on a wheel route or shadow Engram down the field will be a treat because he's not going to be able to to handle either assignment.
We replaced him with a better player who is less costly and isn't going to air all of the Giants dirty laundry to Josina Anderson.
Good riddance.
Peppers and Collins have very similar flaws and in no way is Peppers a better player right now.
This is completely inaccurate.
Peppers is a far more versatile player than Collins is.
Collins is a one trick pony, a loudmouth and more expensive.
I'll take Peppers every day.
Gettleman's job is to build the roster as effectively as possible and players feelings do not and should not factor into it.
Collins is "heartbroken" the Giants didn't offer him a contract? Tough shit. He didn't deserve his ask. The Redskins overspent on him and he'll be a disappointment there. It's not Gettleman's fault that he didn't overpay to retain him.
Watching him try to cover Barkley on a wheel route or shadow Engram down the field will be a treat because he's not going to be able to to handle either assignment.
We replaced him with a better player who is less costly and isn't going to air all of the Giants dirty laundry to Josina Anderson.
Good riddance.
You are right it isn't the GMs job but it should also be a concern when there are so many examples of him rubbing players in the wrong way in spite of this
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Peppers and Collins have very similar flaws and in no way is Peppers a better player right now.
??? How do they have similar flaws?
They are very similar players when it comes to weaknesses.
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It's not the GM's job to be a good communicator with the players. That's not what he's here for. That's for Shurmur and the position coaches.
Gettleman's job is to build the roster as effectively as possible and players feelings do not and should not factor into it.
Collins is "heartbroken" the Giants didn't offer him a contract? Tough shit. He didn't deserve his ask. The Redskins overspent on him and he'll be a disappointment there. It's not Gettleman's fault that he didn't overpay to retain him.
Watching him try to cover Barkley on a wheel route or shadow Engram down the field will be a treat because he's not going to be able to to handle either assignment.
We replaced him with a better player who is less costly and isn't going to air all of the Giants dirty laundry to Josina Anderson.
Good riddance.
You are right it isn't the GMs job but it should also be a concern when there are so many examples of him rubbing players in the wrong way in spite of this
Why? All the players he rubbed the wrong way are ostensibly gone. He's brought in players who he can meld with. Beyond, that, they're getting paid to play.
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Peppers and Collins have very similar flaws and in no way is Peppers a better player right now.
??? How do they have similar flaws?
They don't. They're completely different players.
Peppers is better in coverage - can be deployed as a slot corner. Plays faster. Is more versatile. Can contribute on ST's and actually make plays with the football in his hands.
Collins is an in the box SS who needs to play near the LOS and be sheltered from being isolated in coverage because he's a major liability.
And again, Collins is costlier.
I'll gladly take Peppers. Bettcher is going to be able to do far more with him than he was with Collins.
He's a better player. You'll see it this year.
They are very similar players when it comes to weaknesses.
He's much, much better in coverage.
The Jones thing was just another example of him creating a bigger shitstorm because of the way he chose to communicate.
Again, this is something that even 20 years ago people said hey, if you get your job done personality doesn't matter. This doesn't exist anymore. Amicable relationships with the people that work for you as well as open mindedness and talent are all viewed as key components of leadership in today's world.
Peppers was used as a slot corner several times in the past.
You never want Collins in that position.
Collins is the harder hitter, Peppers is more well-rounded, and given Collins injury to the shoulder he uses to hit with - that's a significant detriment
Just more made-up narratives. The list of GM's who have been trashed by former players is long. That isn't unique to Gettleman. You should be more concerned if the players he's letting go actually go on to star while he seemingly gets rid of them for spite.
But you don't want to delve into that area because you'll see his record on that (and his actual record too!) in Carolina is damn good in that regard.
The Jones thing was just another example of him creating a bigger shitstorm because of the way he chose to communicate.
Again, this is something that even 20 years ago people said hey, if you get your job done personality doesn't matter. This doesn't exist anymore. Amicable relationships with the people that work for you as well as open mindedness and talent are all viewed as key components of leadership in today's world.
I honestly don't thin kit matters...even in today's world...unless it's to the people directly in his employ. Even then, I would think that most players have a degree of separation to the GM where his personality (or the public perception of his personality) doesn't really impact their day to day.
And, I think most of his personality issues is media myth and now with the addition of disgruntled ex-employees.
I will give Gettlemen credit. He does not give a shit what anybody thinks about his decisions. He has a job to do, he has a vision and it may not be a popular vision.
I don't know how it will play out but this team already looks completely different from December of 2017. Almost unrecognizable.
yeah what an ass hole--- if only he worked on his craft after that first year and had a top 5 Defensive MVP type year and led the team defensively to the playoffs in 2016... --
"It was definitely hard because I don't do that," Collins said. "I killed myself when I went home, I just couldn't take it, but I'm just ready to get back on the field and just keep it going and prove myself."
"I got over it," he added, "but I mean just to feel that I let the team down is always in the back of your mind."