Your most compelling argument why Eli is never enshrined.

because he has to get VOTED in and Eli is not as well respected by those who vote as he should be. Unfortunately, we have seen him have some bad games on national TV since the last Superbowl appearance. Those voters do not get to see him every week like we do. They are also influenced by a lot of the bullshit you hear from the pundits.

His problem is not so much what he has accomplished on the field, which will get him in, but other things

1- he is not Peyton

2- he forced a trade

3- he is boring in the media capital of the world

He has won 2 SB, both times having the ball in his hands last and trailing and leading to wins. His 2nd half SB numbers are ridiculous

It still amazes me people say - outside of 2 SB runs he has not done anything else. He did win 2.

I am still convinced he would have 3 if Plax didn’t derail the 08 team

No QB/offense gave the 49ers more problems in 2011 and 2012, and yet after Eli's last game at Candlestick, he did less overall against Niner defenses going forward, most of them outside of 2014, not on the level of the Fangio/Harbaugh defenses.

It's hard to write off the national narrative when those two very good seasons were a long time ago, and 2004-2007 weren't exactly remarkable seasons either.

The Giants offense as one that imposed it's will on teams lasted 2008-2012 (and not even the entire 2012). What was common on those 5 teams were a plethora of offensive weapons (at least one stud outside WR, a good slot WR, a decent #3 WR, a good TE, and a good running game).

The makeup of the Giants offense didn't get enough credit in those years. The Giants utilized every last guy on offense to win games.

Mario Manningham, the unsung hero against the 49ers and Patriots that SB season. Without him, no Lombardi.

In comment 14453067 NINEster said:

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No QB/offense gave the 49ers more problems in 2011 and 2012, and yet after Eli's last game at Candlestick, he did less overall against Niner defenses going forward, most of them outside of 2014, not on the level of the Fangio/Harbaugh defenses. It's hard to write off the national narrative when those two very good seasons were a long time ago, and 2004-2007 weren't exactly remarkable seasons either. The Giants offense as one that imposed it's will on teams lasted 2008-2012 (and not even the entire 2012). What was common on those 5 teams were a plethora of offensive weapons (at least one stud outside WR, a good slot WR, a decent #3 WR, a good TE, and a good running game). The makeup of the Giants offense didn't get enough credit in those years. The Giants utilized every last guy on offense to win games. Mario Manningham, the unsung hero against the 49ers and Patriots that SB season. Without him, no Lombardi.

As a 9ers fan, how impressed were you with Eli's resilience in the 2011 title game?

IMO, and a lot of Giants' fans here support this observation, that the toughness and resiliency he showed in that game - most QBs even "GOATS" like Brady or Rodgers likely crumble under that onslaught your D laid on our OL and QB - was absolutely an HOF level performance, stats be damned.

In comment 14451022 Pork Chop said:

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In comment 14451009 Pork Chop said: Quote: having an overall losing record in his starts is pretty tough to ignore. Obviously assuming that he retires with a record less than .500. He's 116-114 now.

Eli's record of 116-114 puts Eli just about where he should be a middle grade QB, in short, nothing special...definitely not a HOF QB...

The QB stats matter.... but when it comes to Super Bowls... it’s a team game.

Makes sense.

In comment 14453432 dep026 said:

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The QB stats matter.... but when it comes to Super Bowls... it’s a team game. Makes sense.

Or one poster made one of those points and a completely different poster made the other point? No single poster made both of those points.

Does that help it make more sense?

record of games played and wins and losses and not just on a few highlight games, the total record tells the story and if thats true then Eli is just an ordinary run of the mill QB and definitely not HOF calibre...