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NFT: Pentagon finally admits it investigates UFOs

Canton : 5/22/2019 1:47 pm


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The Pentagon has finally uttered the words it always avoided when discussing the possible existence of UFOs — “unidentified aerial phenomena” — and admits that it still investigates reports of them.

In a statement provided exclusively to The Post, a Department of Defense spokesman said a secret government initiative called the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program “did pursue research and investigation into unidentified aerial phenomena.”

And while the DOD says it shut down the AATIP in 2012, spokesman Christopher Sherwood acknowledged that the department still investigates claimed sightings of alien spacecraft.


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Nick Pope, who secretly investigated UFOs for the British government during the 1990s, called the DOD’s comments a “bombshell revelation.”


I’m shocked they said it that way, and the reason is, is they’ve seemingly worked very hard not to say that,” he said.

“So I think that’s a pretty powerful statement because now we have actual evidence — official evidence — that said, ‘Yes, AATIP did deal with UAP cases, phenomena, videos, photos, whatever.'”

Greenewald said he hopes that the Pentagon will release more information about the AATIP, either by voluntary disclosure or through requests under the federal Freedom of Information Act.

“But at least we’re one step closer to the truth,” he said.

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Canton : 5/22/2019 1:48 pm : link
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Op-Ed: Why the Pentagon is interested in UFOs - ( New Window )
Wait.  
Maryland Giant : 5/22/2019 1:52 pm : link
Randy was right???
It was..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/22/2019 1:53 pm : link
nice knowing you.

Uttered the unutterable name!!
Presume for a moment  
allstarjim : 5/22/2019 1:59 pm : link
That it is a fact that alien spacecraft have traveled here from distant planets and visited us.

What is your take on that. Is it scary or exciting?

What does their technological superiority over us mean to us, and how should we react to that?
RE: Presume for a moment  
GiantGiantsFan : 5/22/2019 2:00 pm : link
In comment 14452303 allstarjim said:
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That it is a fact that alien spacecraft have traveled here from distant planets and visited us.

What is your take on that. Is it scary or exciting?

What does their technological superiority over us mean to us, and how should we react to that?


It depends. They could either be moderately advanced and looking to exploit the Earth (along with us) and its resources, or they could be so greatly advanced that they want to live in harmony with us.
Project Blue Beam begins,  
smshmth8690 : 5/22/2019 2:02 pm : link
as some conspiracy theorists have predicted.
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MOOPS : 5/22/2019 2:08 pm : link
In comment 14452310 GiantGiantsFan said:
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In comment 14452303 allstarjim said:


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That it is a fact that alien spacecraft have traveled here from distant planets and visited us.

What is your take on that. Is it scary or exciting?

What does their technological superiority over us mean to us, and how should we react to that?



It depends. They could either be moderately advanced and looking to exploit the Earth (along with us) and its resources, or they could be so greatly advanced that they want to live in harmony with us.



RE: Presume for a moment  
widmerseyebrow : 5/22/2019 2:10 pm : link
In comment 14452303 allstarjim said:
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That it is a fact that alien spacecraft have traveled here from distant planets and visited us.

What is your take on that. Is it scary or exciting?

What does their technological superiority over us mean to us, and how should we react to that?


I think its more likely tourism or studying the early stages of evolution. There's nothing particularly interesting or unique about our planet's resources as far as the universe is concerned. We're relatively out of the way, so the means it would require to travel here, either interstellar or inter-dimensional travel, would make it no contest if their goal was conquest. How much would you want to get involved with a termite mound on a hike through a national park?
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AcidTest : 5/22/2019 2:16 pm : link
In comment 14452331 widmerseyebrow said:
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In comment 14452303 allstarjim said:


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That it is a fact that alien spacecraft have traveled here from distant planets and visited us.

What is your take on that. Is it scary or exciting?

What does their technological superiority over us mean to us, and how should we react to that?



I think its more likely tourism or studying the early stages of evolution. There's nothing particularly interesting or unique about our planet's resources as far as the universe is concerned. We're relatively out of the way, so the means it would require to travel here, either interstellar or inter-dimensional travel, would make it no contest if their goal was conquest. How much would you want to get involved with a termite mound on a hike through a national park?


This is most likely correct. We grossly overestimate our own importance. Part of the hubris of the human species. But an alien civilization might well be uninterested in humanity.

All of this assumes that we have been visited and observed. There are many reasons why alien life might be exceptionally rare. There is almost certainly no alien life capable of interstellar travel within 50 light years.
RE: Presume for a moment  
moespree : 5/22/2019 2:17 pm : link
In comment 14452303 allstarjim said:
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That it is a fact that alien spacecraft have traveled here from distant planets and visited us.

What is your take on that. Is it scary or exciting?

What does their technological superiority over us mean to us, and how should we react to that?


If such a thing was possible for an ET race to visit us from a distant galaxy and that really was their spacecraft in our air...I would say that would mean they have the capacity would conquer us before we even knew what happened if they really wanted to. So I'm not sure it's exciting or scary. It just is.
If  
AcidTest : 5/22/2019 2:18 pm : link
aliens were interested in Earth, it might well be to save the planet from our destruction. That was the reason for their intervention in the remake of "The Day the Earth Stood Still."
......  
Klaatu : 5/22/2019 2:19 pm : link


I told you people to get your shit together.

What are you waiting for?
Well is the Pentagon your model for intelligence?  
Marty in Albany : 5/22/2019 2:20 pm : link
Or is it your model for people who follow orders over which they have no control given by higher-ups, who may or may not know shit from Shinola?

IMO, even if there are aliens buzzing our airplanes (and I don't think that there are any,) I doubt that the Pentagon could find them.
People always..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/22/2019 2:21 pm : link
jump to the conquering angle - because that's what humans have always tried to do.

But I wonder. If we found a place with life on a distant planet, would our first thought be to destroy that life, or study it? And would we ever get to the point of destroying the life just for the sake of it?

Not everything is about war or amassing land.
I have no opinion regarding whether aliens have ever visited.  
Mike from SI : 5/22/2019 2:28 pm : link
But one thing to consider is that some very smart people have posited that our first interaction with non-earthbound intelligence will be with some form of AI, not traditionally "living" creatures. Interesting to think about.
If you want to read a very funny book about the UFO phenomena...  
Klaatu : 5/22/2019 2:28 pm : link
I highly recommend "Little Green Men: A Novel," by Christopher Buckley. Alien abductions, government cover-ups, but not quite what you think.

Little Green Men @ amazon.com - ( New Window )
UFO's are not real...  
x meadowlander : 5/22/2019 2:29 pm : link
...sorry to get 'slightly' political, but Donald Trump would hold that secret for exactly as long as it took him to race to a TV camera.
RE: UFO's are not real...  
Mike from SI : 5/22/2019 2:32 pm : link
In comment 14452363 x meadowlander said:
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...sorry to get 'slightly' political, but Donald Trump would hold that secret for exactly as long as it took him to race to a TV camera.


Amusingly, I was just thinking a very similar thing: if there were ever a President who would spend a lot of time asking everyone about aliens, it's him.
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x meadowlander : 5/22/2019 2:33 pm : link
In comment 14452373 Mike from SI said:
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In comment 14452363 x meadowlander said:


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...sorry to get 'slightly' political, but Donald Trump would hold that secret for exactly as long as it took him to race to a TV camera.



Amusingly, I was just thinking a very similar thing: if there were ever a President who would spend a lot of time asking everyone about aliens, it's him.
I'm guessing he was demanding an answer by lunch on day 1.
Bigfoot too  
I Love Clams Casino : 5/22/2019 2:38 pm : link
I just know it
RE: If you want to read a very funny book about the UFO phenomena...  
NoPeanutz : 5/22/2019 2:39 pm : link
In comment 14452360 Klaatu said:
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I highly recommend "Little Green Men: A Novel," by Christopher Buckley. Alien abductions, government cover-ups, but not quite what you think. Little Green Men @ amazon.com - ( New Window )

I was just about to put out a call for Klaatu

OF COURSE the Pentagon investigates UFO reports.  
81_Great_Dane : 5/22/2019 2:44 pm : link
Because if there are unidentified aircraft in our airspace, they have to investigate. What if it's advanced tech from another country? Spying tech? Etc. You don't just say "Oh, well, we don't believe in that flying saucer shit." You say "We need to find out what the fuck is going on."

And the unexplainable reports are the ones that are probably the most classified.
RE: People always..  
Joey in VA : 5/22/2019 2:50 pm : link
In comment 14452351 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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jump to the conquering angle - because that's what humans have always tried to do.

But I wonder. If we found a place with life on a distant planet, would our first thought be to destroy that life, or study it? And would we ever get to the point of destroying the life just for the sake of it?

Not everything is about war or amassing land.
It's in our DNA to be bad when we butt up against something unfamiliar and possibly dangerous. I would assume some life form that can actually get here would not be threatened and therefore wouldn't be hostile unless we had a resource they needed. It's your classic Alien invasion movie basically but it's hogwash to me. However, I absolutely believe we are not alone in the universe and I may believe in string theory enough that there could be multiverses. Einstein proved many things we can't fathom doing or seeing, so mathematics tells us that this possibility of alien life does exist. De Grasse Tyson absolutely believes it so I take it as almost fact. Now the UFO thing I just don't buy, but there is absolutely living something out there.
81 Great Dane  
Marty in Albany : 5/22/2019 2:51 pm : link
You have no right to make logical arguments in a BBI UFO post. You spoil it for everyone else. (Grin)
RE: UFO's are not real...  
moespree : 5/22/2019 3:07 pm : link
In comment 14452363 x meadowlander said:
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...sorry to get 'slightly' political, but Donald Trump would hold that secret for exactly as long as it took him to race to a TV camera.


Would they tell him?

Didn't Bill Clinton once tell a story that one of the first things he did was ask about it, and he was met with a response of, "The President is on a need to know basis, and you don't need to know."
RE: UFO's are not real...  
Klaatu : 5/22/2019 3:08 pm : link
In comment 14452363 x meadowlander said:
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...sorry to get 'slightly' political, but Donald Trump would hold that secret for exactly as long as it took him to race to a TV camera.


I don't want to get political, either, but...



And

Don't blame me  
NoPeanutz : 5/22/2019 3:12 pm : link
I voted for Kodos.
RE: Don't blame me  
Klaatu : 5/22/2019 3:15 pm : link
In comment 14452446 NoPeanutz said:
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I voted for Kodos.




Thank you for your support.
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jtfuoco : 5/22/2019 3:24 pm : link
In comment 14452331 widmerseyebrow said:
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That it is a fact that alien spacecraft have traveled here from distant planets and visited us.

What is your take on that. Is it scary or exciting?

What does their technological superiority over us mean to us, and how should we react to that?



I think its more likely tourism or studying the early stages of evolution. There's nothing particularly interesting or unique about our planet's resources as far as the universe is concerned. We're relatively out of the way, so the means it would require to travel here, either interstellar or inter-dimensional travel, would make it no contest if their goal was conquest. How much would you want to get involved with a termite mound on a hike through a national park?


I disagree with this opinion look at how they visit its normally for very short periods of time. If it was studying like you said a termite mound does a scientist worry about the termites see him and his instruments. UFOs on the other hand do not behave or react in the similar manner they stay very elusive when seen and they appear near military targets or nuclear sites more then just hovering over Major Cities like NYC or Paris. So their actions say more then hey just some space tourist swinging by real fast or a intelligence so beyond it could care less what we are doing.
I'm not a UFO believer  
Csonka : 5/22/2019 3:32 pm : link
A species so advanced to be able to make that trip wouldn't be concerned with being seen. They'd hover over New York like in Man of Steel!
RE: UFO's are not real...  
River Mike : 5/22/2019 3:33 pm : link
In comment 14452363 x meadowlander said:
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...sorry to get 'slightly' political, but Donald Trump would hold that secret for exactly as long as it took him to race to a TV camera.


Staying in the non political mode, I seriously doubt the intelligence agencies would share that with him.
RE: RE: If you want to read a very funny book about the UFO phenomena...  
jnoble : 5/22/2019 3:37 pm : link
In comment 14452394 NoPeanutz said:
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In comment 14452360 Klaatu said:


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I highly recommend "Little Green Men: A Novel," by Christopher Buckley. Alien abductions, government cover-ups, but not quite what you think. Little Green Men @ amazon.com - ( New Window )


I was just about to put out a call for Klaatu

Ringo's Goodnight Vienna album?
:-)
RE: I'm not a UFO believer  
jnoble : 5/22/2019 3:38 pm : link
In comment 14452476 Csonka said:
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A species so advanced to be able to make that trip wouldn't be concerned with being seen. They'd hover over New York like in Man of Steel!

People also have to remember "unidentified" doesn't automatically mean "not from this planet". It just means something couldn't be positively ID'd
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/22/2019 3:40 pm : link
Julius Levinson: AAAHHH, don't give me unprepared! You knew about this for years! What,with that spaceship you found in New Mexico! What was it called... Roswell, New Mexico! And that other place... uh... Area 51, Area 51! You knew then! And you did nothing!

President Thomas Whitmore: Mr. Levinson, contrary to what you may have read in the tabloids, there is no Area 51. There is no spaceship...

Albert Nimzicki: Uh... excuse me, Mr. President? That's not entirely accurate.
I think Sagan  
NoPeanutz : 5/22/2019 3:50 pm : link
made the argument that we know that aliens aren't here since we'd know they were coming with about 200 years warning- from our radio telescopes that can see thousands of light years out into space. In other words, we would have several generations to prepare to meet them.

If intelligent life were nearby, that is life capable of developing technology to build a spaceship to visit Earth, we would detect them well before they arrived. It is impossible that somebody would look up in the sky and unexpectedly encounter an alien craft.
Even if the alien race was SO intelligent that they developed teleportation or learned to use a wormhole, without over-evolving into extinction or destroying themselves first, they would still have to teleport from so far away that it would be beyond the reach of our telescopes.
I know there are aliens here  
WideRight : 5/22/2019 3:51 pm : link

because I am one
I mean UFO  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 5/22/2019 3:58 pm : link
do not have to be of Alien in nature, and I would hope that any Unidentified Flying Object be investigated for the safety of our country.

Human's are so narcissistic  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 5/22/2019 4:02 pm : link
to think that with our small, self centered minds that we could possibly begin to understand the motivations of what other civilizations' intentions might be. These civilizations could literally be millions of years more developed than we are.

Could they be here to monitor us for their own curiosity? Could they be trying to protect us from ourselves? Could they be here to conquest the planet? Could they not be from another place but from another time? Are they us from the future? Are they from another dimension?

It's beyond laughable to me for people in 2019 to try and fathom a guess as to what their possible intentions are. What is clear is that the technology we are seeing is not human. It's not the Russians or the Chinese. It's something else. And more human...most people don't seem to care. This is the greatest question we've ever faced and most people put their heads in the sand.
No offense..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/22/2019 4:07 pm : link
but that is extremely contradictory.

Our feeble minds can't hope to understand the motivations of a vastly superior society, but yet isn't that exactly what your call to action is??

I'd expect a vastly inferior society to put their heads in the sand. In fact, isn't that exactly what you are inferring should be done?

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Bold Ruler : Mod : 4:02 pm : link : reply
to think that with our small, self centered minds that we could possibly begin to understand the motivations of what other civilizations' intentions might be. These civilizations could literally be millions of years more developed than we are.


Isn't the opposite of trying to determine what their intentions are is burying one's head in the sand?
People try and explain away that they wouldnt come here  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 5/22/2019 4:09 pm : link
because they are too advanced... or for any number of different reasons.

The burying their heads in the sand is because we have all of these encounters happening and the vast majority of people have no interest in something that would fundamentally alter our view of of ourselves and the Universe.
But if your point..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/22/2019 4:12 pm : link
is true that we can't possibly understand the motivations of a vastly superior society, exactly how do you propose we do something about is?

What are we going to prepare for if we can't fathom the magnitude of this greatly advanced society?

Wouldn't it be a complete waste to even attempt to prepare?
I am  
jtfuoco : 5/22/2019 4:36 pm : link
just glad we are getting to the point where we as a society can at least talk about this without calling people crazy or people just flat out ignoring the topic.
RE: I am  
NoPeanutz : 5/22/2019 4:51 pm : link
In comment 14452575 jtfuoco said:
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just glad we are getting to the point where we as a society can at least talk about this without calling people crazy or people just flat out ignoring the topic.

The suggestion that our planet is being visited by aliens in spaceships is unreasonable and illogical.
Not because it is unlikely, but because it doesn't make sense, and would be easily independently verifiable.
I see there being 2 kinds of aliens  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/22/2019 4:53 pm : link
1. Our ancestors/cousins from a relatively close by area, possibly even Earth a long time ago
2. A being that is not related to us, from a completely different part of the universe

I find #1 far more likely. It would make sense for them to observe without interfering.

#2 would likely mean we're in deep shit if they decide to enter our atmosphere.
RE: Human's are so narcissistic  
Rover : 5/22/2019 5:30 pm : link
In comment 14452528 Bold Ruler said:
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to think that with our small, self centered minds that we could possibly begin to understand the motivations of what other civilizations' intentions might be. These civilizations could literally be millions of years more developed than we are.

Could they be here to monitor us for their own curiosity? Could they be trying to protect us from ourselves? Could they be here to conquest the planet? Could they not be from another place but from another time? Are they us from the future? Are they from another dimension?

It's beyond laughable to me for people in 2019 to try and fathom a guess as to what their possible intentions are. What is clear is that the technology we are seeing is not human. It's not the Russians or the Chinese. It's something else. And more human...most people don't seem to care. This is the greatest question we've ever faced and most people put their heads in the sand.

Can you be specific on what technology we are seeing that isn’t human?
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jtfuoco : 5/22/2019 5:45 pm : link
In comment 14452593 NoPeanutz said:
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just glad we are getting to the point where we as a society can at least talk about this without calling people crazy or people just flat out ignoring the topic.


The suggestion that our planet is being visited by aliens in spaceships is unreasonable and illogical.
Not because it is unlikely, but because it doesn't make sense, and would be easily independently verifiable.


That statement is the fault of your argument nobody knows what these things are and what they are doing or why they are doing it. to write it off as illogical or unreasonable because one part of the population believes its to be aliens is why the real discussion cant take place. You are right it does not make sense but its happening and we need to figure out the 5Ws
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Zeke's Alibi : 5/22/2019 5:51 pm : link
In comment 14452593 NoPeanutz said:
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In comment 14452575 jtfuoco said:


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just glad we are getting to the point where we as a society can at least talk about this without calling people crazy or people just flat out ignoring the topic.


The suggestion that our planet is being visited by aliens in spaceships is unreasonable and illogical.
Not because it is unlikely, but because it doesn't make sense, and would be easily independently verifiable.


While I don't know whether or not this occuring, what makes you think this would independently verifiable. The would have technology so beyond our scope that it is possible we would never realize they were even there.
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Chuck Q : 5/22/2019 5:55 pm : link
NoPeanutz… at least entertain this thought. of course UFO's are not from space... they, like all psychic phenomenon: signs of life after death, abductions, ghosts, foo fighters, men in black, animal mutilations and even smelly big foot beasts (and this is a short list) are in a neighboring realm (dimension) that phase in and out of focus for purposes completely unknown. Roswell and Area 51 are red herrings.
Look at the videos released by the Navy  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 5/22/2019 6:57 pm : link
The Gimble, the G-Fast specifically. Please tell me what drones or manned vehicles any country possesses or technology that's even close...that allows these craft to go this fast, to turn on axis and have no wings or visible means of propulsion. Listen to the reaction of the pilots in the Go-fast video. They are literally tracking it. It's a locked on target and the pilots can't believe what they are seeing.

And that's just for these videos.
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rnargi : 5/22/2019 6:59 pm : link
In comment 14452293 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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nice knowing you.

Uttered the unutterable name!!


Blez his hart...he's jessakid fercrysakes
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