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Art Stapleton article on CB Sam Beal

Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/23/2019 8:36 am
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That never materialized, however, as Beal needed shoulder surgery to repair a torn labrum, resulting in his being placed on injured reserve at the start of training camp last July.

Beal still found a way to contribute, essentially serving as an advance scout for the defensive backs as they prepared for each game. And his teammates were impressed.

"That's where it all started, and I have no doubt what we saw out there [during Monday's OTA practice] is happening because of how [Beal] learned to be a pro last year, I have no doubt about that," Giants safety Michael Thomas told NorthJersey.com and USA TODAY Network. "His scouting reports were pretty detailed, and he'd get right up there in a room full of vets with confidence, you could tell it meant something to him. He didn't wait until he got on the field to become a better player, and that's what we're seeing."

Sam Beal's rookie education has begun to pay off - ( New Window )
Great find  
Jay in Toronto : 5/23/2019 8:50 am : link
I've gone on record as skeptical on the value of the pick.

I would love to be priven wrong.
Good stuff!  
ChicagoMarty : 5/23/2019 9:22 am : link
Thanks
I am very optimistic that this group of young bucks will inject new  
GiantBlue : 5/23/2019 9:33 am : link
life into Jackrabbit which will be crucial since he will be on the WR1's.

But the athleticism and speed of this group is clearly in evidence.

Communication, correct zone reads and good tackling skills will be the interesting insight as Training Camp, Pre-season and the regular season progress.

However, this looks to be an outstanding group.
RE: Great find  
Big Blue '56 : 5/23/2019 9:34 am : link
In comment 14453205 Jay in Toronto said:
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I've gone on record as skeptical on the value of the pick.

I would love to be priven wrong.


Why would you be skeptical of the pick? Did you know anything about him at the time he was selected? Do you not trust the evaluators who did their homework and willingly gave up a valuable 3rd in the Supplemental?

Otoh, it’s you’re right not to trust them. :)
We've got a bunch of ADULTS on this team now  
Giantz_comeback : 5/23/2019 9:39 am : link
We didn't just screen guys for talent. We made sure they had the proper perspective of have to succeed too!

Its gonna make a difference on the field. This team has been transformed culture wise.
Good read  
mfsd : 5/23/2019 9:43 am : link
Unless I missed it, that's the first I've read about Beal delivering scouting reports to the DB group last season.

What's Stapleton doing writing about something interesting and football related like that, instead of inventing some new OBJ clickbait drama for the week?
RE: Good read  
Klaatu : 5/23/2019 9:55 am : link
In comment 14453305 mfsd said:
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Unless I missed it, that's the first I've read about Beal delivering scouting reports to the DB group last season.

What's Stapleton doing writing about something interesting and football related like that, instead of inventing some new OBJ clickbait drama for the week?


It was written about last year, but don't kill yourself for missing it when everything else about the team was going to hell in a handbasket. It was easy to overlook.

The Giants got good value for Beal. Most prognosticators gave him a 2nd or 3rd Round grade, so giving up a 3rd for him is fine. I just hope the issue with his shoulder won't be a recurring thing.
Beal working out...  
Dan in the Springs : 5/23/2019 10:03 am : link
really helps ease the pain from selecting Eli Apple. You could say that Apple was one mistake that DG fixed last year if he works out to what the Giants view his potential to be.
I was really skeptical when we drafted a QB and not an 'EDGE' at 6  
Dinger : 5/23/2019 10:25 am : link
because we are so thin in that area. But I am a believer that either a strong rush helps the secondary look better or a strong secondary helps the rush look better. I believe now (and as a fan all I can do is hope) that the game plan is build the D around a strong secondary and a run stopping DL. Go from there. If they find a diamond in the rough Edge great. Otherwise look for one each subsequent FA period/draft. We have, seemingly, some decent talent in the secondary along with depth there. JJ, Baker, Beal, Love, Ballentine along with 2 new safeties makes me excited to see that group. I am even looking forward to the further development of Lippett and and Haley to a lesser extent. I mean a 6'3" corner?!
RE: I was really skeptical when we drafted a QB and not an 'EDGE' at 6  
OntheRoad : 5/23/2019 10:47 am : link
Dexter Lawrence may turn out to be better than whatever edge rusher we would have picked at 6.
RE: I was really skeptical when we drafted a QB and not an 'EDGE' at 6  
Klaatu : 5/23/2019 10:50 am : link
In comment 14453374 Dinger said:
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because we are so thin in that area. But I am a believer that either a strong rush helps the secondary look better or a strong secondary helps the rush look better. I believe now (and as a fan all I can do is hope) that the game plan is build the D around a strong secondary and a run stopping DL. Go from there. If they find a diamond in the rough Edge great. Otherwise look for one each subsequent FA period/draft. We have, seemingly, some decent talent in the secondary along with depth there. JJ, Baker, Beal, Love, Ballentine along with 2 new safeties makes me excited to see that group. I am even looking forward to the further development of Lippett and and Haley to a lesser extent. I mean a 6'3" corner?!


When it comes to the Edge, it looks like they're gambling on three things:

1. Markus Golden returning to his 2016 form.
2. Lorenzo Carter becoming a solid starter/productive pass-rusher, successfully replacing Olivier Vernon.
3. Oshane Ximines developing into a consistent force off the edge as he deals with a step-up in level of competition.

Two out of three would be really nice.

Couple of notes about Tony Lippett. He began his college career as a CB, but transitioned to WR as a sophomore, and remained at WR for the rest of his college career. When Miami drafted him in 2015, they immediately moved him back to CB, and he was playing very well for them, starting in his second year. Then he tore is Achilles in training camp to start is third year. That's a tough one to come back from. He went on IR, September 2017 and the Dolphins released him a year later. The Giants picked him up about a month later, October 2018, and even though he struggled, they re-signed him this past March.
RE: RE: Great find  
Jay in Toronto : 5/23/2019 10:58 am : link
In comment 14453285 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 14453205 Jay in Toronto said:


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I've gone on record as skeptical on the value of the pick.

I would love to be priven wrong.



Why would you be skeptical of the pick? Did you know anything about him at the time he was selected? Do you not trust the evaluators who did their homework and willingly gave up a valuable 3rd in the Supplemental?

Otoh, it’s you’re right not to trust them. :)


BB56 I've posted on this leading up to the draft.

Former WMU faculty, though haven't followed the team much and was concerned that he wasn't named All MAC first team. In fact the three guys ahead of him didn't even make any NFL team last year.

All-conference teams are usually named by coaches and journalists very familiar with the teams, so that was an issue.

The important thing is, a fan, I hope I was wrong.
RE: I was really skeptical when we drafted a QB and not an 'EDGE' at 6  
OntheRoad : 5/23/2019 11:09 am : link

What makes me feel better about the pick is that I suspect Dexter Lawrence will be more valuable than whaever edge rusher we would have picked at 6.
To me...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/23/2019 11:17 am : link
if you are going to participate in the supplemental draft, this is the way to go. I wouldn't offer anything higher than a 3rd rounder for a player, but if you find a player for a 3rd rounder, it is a steal.

Beal was projected to be a little higher, so the value was there. If the secondary is a strength this year, the Beal pick is an excellent one.
RE: RE: I was really skeptical when we drafted a QB and not an 'EDGE' at 6  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 5/23/2019 11:20 am : link
In comment 14453445 OntheRoad said:
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What makes me feel better about the pick is that I suspect Dexter Lawrence will be more valuable than whaever edge rusher we would have picked at 6.

Parcells planet theory, athletic long armed 6'+ 340 lb + 2 gapping NTs are more scarce than ERs. They are like sirens in Borderlands, there are only 3-4 of them in the Universe.
Sam Beal  
GothamGiants : 5/23/2019 11:41 am : link
is the most talented QB on the roster.

Absolute no brainer selection with a 3rd. Beal will be the reason Jenkins is cut next year.
RE: Sam Beal  
GothamGiants : 5/23/2019 11:42 am : link
In comment 14453490 GothamGiants said:
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is the most talented QB on the roster.

Absolute no brainer selection with a 3rd. Beal will be the reason Jenkins is cut next year.


Sorry, CB* ... but you already knew that.
Beal working out...  
Torrag : 5/23/2019 11:47 am : link
Premature assumption. Let's get further down the road with this before separating our shoulders from all the high fives. Maybe watch him lineup against a live opponent in even a pre-season game? Then comes the acid test when the twice operated on shoulder sees real contact.

I don't remember a defensive player ever having two shoulder surgeries before ever tackling in an NFL game going onto have a great career but it certainly isn't the ideal scenario is it?
RE: RE: I was really skeptical when we drafted a QB and not an 'EDGE' at 6  
Rjanyg : 5/23/2019 12:01 pm : link
In comment 14453411 Klaatu said:
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because we are so thin in that area. But I am a believer that either a strong rush helps the secondary look better or a strong secondary helps the rush look better. I believe now (and as a fan all I can do is hope) that the game plan is build the D around a strong secondary and a run stopping DL. Go from there. If they find a diamond in the rough Edge great. Otherwise look for one each subsequent FA period/draft. We have, seemingly, some decent talent in the secondary along with depth there. JJ, Baker, Beal, Love, Ballentine along with 2 new safeties makes me excited to see that group. I am even looking forward to the further development of Lippett and and Haley to a lesser extent. I mean a 6'3" corner?!



When it comes to the Edge, it looks like they're gambling on three things:

1. Markus Golden returning to his 2016 form.
2. Lorenzo Carter becoming a solid starter/productive pass-rusher, successfully replacing Olivier Vernon.
3. Oshane Ximines developing into a consistent force off the edge as he deals with a step-up in level of competition.

Two out of three would be really nice.

Couple of notes about Tony Lippett. He began his college career as a CB, but transitioned to WR as a sophomore, and remained at WR for the rest of his college career. When Miami drafted him in 2015, they immediately moved him back to CB, and he was playing very well for them, starting in his second year. Then he tore is Achilles in training camp to start is third year. That's a tough one to come back from. He went on IR, September 2017 and the Dolphins released him a year later. The Giants picked him up about a month later, October 2018, and even though he struggled, they re-signed him this past March.


In regards to the Edge players, I am not sure this is a big deal or not but it seems that of Carter, Golden and Ximines, they all seems to have been mainly rushing from the left side, very little from the right. I know players that play OLB should be versatile but we don't seem to have a guy who is a WOLB ( Weak Outside Linebacker ) like LT, who llined up all over the place but primarily was the ROLB while Banks was the LOLB.

Does this matter to anybody else?
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Klaatu : 5/23/2019 12:18 pm : link
In comment 14453534 Rjanyg said:
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In regards to the Edge players, I am not sure this is a big deal or not but it seems that of Carter, Golden and Ximines, they all seems to have been mainly rushing from the left side, very little from the right. I know players that play OLB should be versatile but we don't seem to have a guy who is a WOLB ( Weak Outside Linebacker ) like LT, who llined up all over the place but primarily was the ROLB while Banks was the LOLB.

Does this matter to anybody else?


Yeah, that was discussed in another thread, but, honestly I don't really know how big of an issue it is, or if it's an issue that's easily addressed.

Maybe someone with more knowledge can chime in.
RE: RE: I was really skeptical when we drafted a QB and not an 'EDGE' at 6  
TMS : 5/23/2019 12:29 pm : link
In comment 14453407 OntheRoad said:
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Dexter Lawrence may turn out to be better than whatever edge rusher we would have picked at 6.
. DG seems to agree with you.
RE: RE: RE: Great find  
John In CO : 5/23/2019 12:50 pm : link
In comment 14453429 Jay in Toronto said:
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In comment 14453205 Jay in Toronto said:


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I've gone on record as skeptical on the value of the pick.

I would love to be priven wrong.



Why would you be skeptical of the pick? Did you know anything about him at the time he was selected? Do you not trust the evaluators who did their homework and willingly gave up a valuable 3rd in the Supplemental?

Otoh, it’s you’re right not to trust them. :)



BB56 I've posted on this leading up to the draft.

Former WMU faculty, though haven't followed the team much and was concerned that he wasn't named All MAC first team. In fact the three guys ahead of him didn't even make any NFL team last year.

All-conference teams are usually named by coaches and journalists very familiar with the teams, so that was an issue.

The important thing is, a fan, I hope I was wrong.


One thing I have learned over the years being a fan of both the NFL and College Football: dont pay too much attention to College All Conf teams or College stats in general. Not saying they dont matter at all, but I cant tell you how many times over the years ive seen guys who I followed closely in college, guys who were what I considered to be OK players, not special, who then blossomed when they got to the NFL. And the reverse is true as well; ive seen guys who I considered to be cant miss who certainly did! Those College All American teams are full of NFL misses.
RE: Beal working out...  
Dinger : 5/23/2019 1:25 pm : link
In comment 14453500 Torrag said:
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Premature assumption. Let's get further down the road with this before separating our shoulders from all the high fives. Maybe watch him lineup against a live opponent in even a pre-season game? Then comes the acid test when the twice operated on shoulder sees real contact.

I don't remember a defensive player ever having two shoulder surgeries before ever tackling in an NFL game going onto have a great career but it certainly isn't the ideal scenario is it?


VERY GOOD point about the Shoulder surgeries. I am not basing my enthusiasm for him on just one OTA, but the better than average regard for him during the supplemental draft. And, if you've been around a while, you know that ONE CB is about as useful as ONE OL. I'm more enthused by the amount and level of talent among the group.
RE: RE: RE: Great find  
BigRoss71 : 5/23/2019 2:23 pm : link
In comment 14453429 Jay in Toronto said:
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I've gone on record as skeptical on the value of the pick.



BB56 I've posted on this leading up to the draft.

Former WMU faculty, though haven't followed the team much and was concerned that he wasn't named All MAC first team. In fact the three guys ahead of him didn't even make any NFL team last year.The important thing is, a fan, I hope I was wrong.


speaking of WMU (and I know you haven't been following as close recently), any word on RB jamouri bogan ? Saw him play in HS many times, was a beast. Obviously on the small side, just curious if there was any thought he could be a rookie camp tryout somewhere.
RE: Beal working out...  
Giantz_comeback : 5/23/2019 7:04 pm : link
In comment 14453500 Torrag said:
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Premature assumption. Let's get further down the road with this before separating our shoulders from all the high fives. Maybe watch him lineup against a live opponent in even a pre-season game? Then comes the acid test when the twice operated on shoulder sees real contact.

I don't remember a defensive player ever having two shoulder surgeries before ever tackling in an NFL game going onto have a great career but it certainly isn't the ideal scenario is it?


Still early for sure. First data point was encouraging.
RE: RE: Great find  
christian : 5/23/2019 7:15 pm : link
In comment 14453285 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 14453205 Jay in Toronto said:


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I've gone on record as skeptical on the value of the pick.

I would love to be priven wrong.



Why would you be skeptical of the pick? Did you know anything about him at the time he was selected? Do you not trust the evaluators who did their homework and willingly gave up a valuable 3rd in the Supplemental?

Otoh, it’s you’re right not to trust them. :)


I am on record of plenty of skepticism in terms of value. Primarily based on 1) his college injury 2) the supplemental draft process doesn't include the combine, pro days, All Star practices, interviews, scrutiny postseason, etc. the traditional draft process does.

The first point was valdidated when he didn't last a full practice before reinjury.

The post-season scrutiny weeds out plenty of guys and puts them in the correct draft slot. Maybe Beal rises, maybe he falls if he was subject to a traditional evaluation.
Good article.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/23/2019 9:03 pm : link
DB is shaping up to be a strength of ours.
RE: Sam Beal  
Ivan15 : 5/24/2019 8:16 am : link
In comment 14453490 GothamGiants said:
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is the most talented QB on the roster.

Absolute no brainer selection with a 3rd. Beal will be the reason Jenkins is cut next year.


You mean ‘cut BEFORE next year’ correct?
RE: RE: Sam Beal  
GothamGiants : 5/24/2019 8:25 am : link
In comment 14454457 Ivan15 said:
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In comment 14453490 GothamGiants said:


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is the most talented QB on the roster.

Absolute no brainer selection with a 3rd. Beal will be the reason Jenkins is cut next year.



You mean ‘cut BEFORE next year’ correct?


Jenkins will not be on the 2020 roster, hopefully its via trade.
He’ll be 32 with a near 15M cap hit. 11M cap savings with the youth movement, lead by Beal, in full effect entering the 2020 season.
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