Do not be surprised is if he traded before the deadline. He'll serve his role as a mentor, but he has no future with the Giants. The young core should be ready to play by then.
Do not be surprised is if he traded before the deadline. He'll serve his role as a mentor, but he has no future with the Giants. The young core should be ready to play by then.
The only way that happens is if we are losing. If we are competitive he will be on the roster.
We brought in the Jack Rabbit for his ability to create turnovers. Hopefully we see a few of those this year. Hes good for at least 1 Defensive/ST touchdown every year. If he can play like he did year 1 in NY, it will mean everything for this defense even more so than it did then.
That allows the other CB's to work themselves into the NFL on the 2's and 3's. It is not only important that Jenkins be that mentor, but he takes the pressure off the others by handling the top WR's each week.
LOL - BBI has been trying to trade/cut Jenkins for years now Â
I am a fan and he seems to be on the same page as management and coaches. Secondary is a unit much like the offensive line everyone needs to be able to work together in harmony and be able to talk and adjust not only during a game but during each play. This makes Leadership and experience a necessity.
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That allows the other CB's to work themselves into the NFL on the 2's and 3's. It is not only important that Jenkins be that mentor, but he takes the pressure off the others by handling the top WR's each week.
Do not be surprised is if he traded before the deadline. He'll serve his role as a mentor, but he has no future with the Giants. The young core should be ready to play by then.
I thought he was one of the few bright spots last year. Seems to go about his job with few distractions. Maybe there is a reason he stuck. If he has a few more years in him and this team becomes competitive wouldn't mind him sticking around, in spite of all the young guys
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I think we'd definitely ship Jenkins out regardless of what our record is.
You guys do realize that you have to play in the moment not every football decision can made thinking about the future when you have to win games now especially if you are still in the hunt for the playoffs or division. Rookie CBs don't just tear up the NFL that easily either.
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IF he can up his game too what we saw from him when we signed him I'll be OK spending the money on him. You need some experience as well as talented youth to win games. If he can't regain his form he'll have to go.
I'm not really sure that Jenkins was ever a "problem" guy here. I think his injuries and playing hurt may have made it seem like he was dogging it or wasn't giving his all - but the 2016 version was one of the best cover corners in the league.
If we get anything close to that from him again this year, it'll be a big help.
We need some veterans on this defense. Jackrabbit is worth Â
I think we'd definitely ship Jenkins out regardless of what our record is.
You guys do realize that you have to play in the moment not every football decision can made thinking about the future when you have to win games now especially if you are still in the hunt for the playoffs or division. Rookie CBs don't just tear up the NFL that easily either.
Never said they would tear it up or that's it's even likely that two of them will be "solid." But it's not impossible either: Will Allen and Will Peterson were drafted in the 1st and 3rd in 2001 and both wound up being our starters.
There will be times when one is out due to pulled hammy or another injury. Lets wait until one of the young pups beat him out or there is obvious signs his skills have decreased significantly before throwing him out with the bath water.
If we're in the hunt I say keep him. If not, I think we could get a 3rd rounder for him from a team that has a chance to make a run but desperately needing CB help to do so. Between that and the Collins comp pick we could have 3 3rd rounders in 2020 (on top of a ton of cap $ to spend in FA).
I'm not really sure that Jenkins was ever a "problem" guy here. I think his injuries and playing hurt may have made it seem like he was dogging it or wasn't giving his all - but the 2016 version was one of the best cover corners in the league.
If we get anything close to that from him again this year, it'll be a big help.
I disagree. I distinctly remember Jenkins mailing it in for a game (or maybe two) in 2017. He had some kind of dispute with Macadoo if I remember and he was clearly not even trying during the game. That told me all I need to know about Jenkins. Loads of talent, but he is a quitter.
wouldn't that result in some kind of cap hit? I'm not a capologist, but it seems that it would be several million dollars (around $4MM?) on this year's cap, something we aren't likely to have available. Of course we could restructure some contracts, but that would have to be done prior to a trade becoming official, which has to happen before the deadline, right?
wouldn't that result in some kind of cap hit? I'm not a capologist, but it seems that it would be several million dollars (around $4MM?) on this year's cap, something we aren't likely to have available. Of course we could restructure some contracts, but that would have to be done prior to a trade becoming official, which has to happen before the deadline, right?
yes, looks like a cap hit of 3.5 mil less any 2019 salary picked up by the acquiring team
I'm not really sure that Jenkins was ever a "problem" guy here. I think his injuries and playing hurt may have made it seem like he was dogging it or wasn't giving his all - but the 2016 version was one of the best cover corners in the league.
If we get anything close to that from him again this year, it'll be a big help.
I disagree. I distinctly remember Jenkins mailing it in for a game (or maybe two) in 2017. He had some kind of dispute with Macadoo if I remember and he was clearly not even trying during the game. That told me all I need to know about Jenkins. Loads of talent, but he is a quitter.
Trading Jenkins would incur a dead money hit of 3.5M over the next two years, but result in a cap savings of 11.2M in each of the next 2 years.
If someone where to trade for him, that would be an outstanding outcome for the Giants.
Actually, in the scenario of a deadline trade, we would have a cap savings of a little over a $1M this year. But we would also be saving next year's salary/workout bonus/roster bonus on the cap. There would be a $3.5M dead cap hit for this year and next. The net result is savings for this year and next while also getting the draft pick in return.
Trading Jenkins would incur a dead money hit of 3.5M over the next two years, but result in a cap savings of 11.2M in each of the next 2 years.
If someone where to trade for him, that would be an outstanding outcome for the Giants.
Actually, in the scenario of a deadline trade, we would have a cap savings of a little over a $1M this year. But we would also be saving next year's salary/workout bonus/roster bonus on the cap. There would be a $3.5M dead cap hit for this year and next. The net result is savings for this year and next while also getting the draft pick in return.
Sure -- if they wait until the trade deadline. He can save the Giants *up* to 11.2M if he's a post-June 1 trade, and has 3.5M dead money hits in each of the next two years.
From a performance and cost perspective, there's just no value. He's the fourth highest paid corner in the league.
This notion of overpaying guys to teach, influence, mentor, is overrated. I'd rather save the money, let the young guys get reps, and let the coaches teach them.
The only way that happens is if we are losing. If we are competitive he will be on the roster.
he's implying that we're out of the race by the trade deadline. not crazy.
Peppers
Love
Chandler
Haley
Baker
Ballantine
Beal
All under 25 with potential
I’ll throw in Lippett
Hey, sometimes you just have to take a break from trying to trade Evan Engram, ya know?
Otherwise? I'm in favor of making a move if things go south.
What might he get back in return? Would it be a third?
Feel like this should be fairly obvious
I thought he was one of the few bright spots last year. Seems to go about his job with few distractions. Maybe there is a reason he stuck. If he has a few more years in him and this team becomes competitive wouldn't mind him sticking around, in spite of all the young guys
You guys do realize that you have to play in the moment not every football decision can made thinking about the future when you have to win games now especially if you are still in the hunt for the playoffs or division. Rookie CBs don't just tear up the NFL that easily either.
If we get anything close to that from him again this year, it'll be a big help.
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I think we'd definitely ship Jenkins out regardless of what our record is.
You guys do realize that you have to play in the moment not every football decision can made thinking about the future when you have to win games now especially if you are still in the hunt for the playoffs or division. Rookie CBs don't just tear up the NFL that easily either.
Never said they would tear it up or that's it's even likely that two of them will be "solid." But it's not impossible either: Will Allen and Will Peterson were drafted in the 1st and 3rd in 2001 and both wound up being our starters.
Statistically from a number of views Jenkins was one of the worst corners in the NFL.
He pinned it on injury, which I have no reason to doubt. But that's two sequential years where injury has really impacted his play.
So now you have a corner in his 30s, the 4th highest paid corner in the league, who's not performed in two years.
As far as trade value, considering age, cost, and performance, Jenkins wouldn't garner much today.
If he bounces back and shows really well next year, hopefully the value increases.
If we get anything close to that from him again this year, it'll be a big help.
I disagree. I distinctly remember Jenkins mailing it in for a game (or maybe two) in 2017. He had some kind of dispute with Macadoo if I remember and he was clearly not even trying during the game. That told me all I need to know about Jenkins. Loads of talent, but he is a quitter.
yes, looks like a cap hit of 3.5 mil less any 2019 salary picked up by the acquiring team
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I'm not really sure that Jenkins was ever a "problem" guy here. I think his injuries and playing hurt may have made it seem like he was dogging it or wasn't giving his all - but the 2016 version was one of the best cover corners in the league.
If we get anything close to that from him again this year, it'll be a big help.
I disagree. I distinctly remember Jenkins mailing it in for a game (or maybe two) in 2017. He had some kind of dispute with Macadoo if I remember and he was clearly not even trying during the game. That told me all I need to know about Jenkins. Loads of talent, but he is a quitter.
He was injured.
If someone where to trade for him, that would be an outstanding outcome for the Giants.
he'll be fine, he'll be special if they can generate a pass rush
If someone where to trade for him, that would be an outstanding outcome for the Giants.
Actually, in the scenario of a deadline trade, we would have a cap savings of a little over a $1M this year. But we would also be saving next year's salary/workout bonus/roster bonus on the cap. There would be a $3.5M dead cap hit for this year and next. The net result is savings for this year and next while also getting the draft pick in return.
Love, Peppers; Beal/Baker + Haley in 2020 ... I love the potential of this young secondary.
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Trading Jenkins would incur a dead money hit of 3.5M over the next two years, but result in a cap savings of 11.2M in each of the next 2 years.
If someone where to trade for him, that would be an outstanding outcome for the Giants.
Actually, in the scenario of a deadline trade, we would have a cap savings of a little over a $1M this year. But we would also be saving next year's salary/workout bonus/roster bonus on the cap. There would be a $3.5M dead cap hit for this year and next. The net result is savings for this year and next while also getting the draft pick in return.
Sure -- if they wait until the trade deadline. He can save the Giants *up* to 11.2M if he's a post-June 1 trade, and has 3.5M dead money hits in each of the next two years.
From a performance and cost perspective, there's just no value. He's the fourth highest paid corner in the league.
This notion of overpaying guys to teach, influence, mentor, is overrated. I'd rather save the money, let the young guys get reps, and let the coaches teach them.