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Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/23/2019 8:45 am
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CB Jenkins embracing new leadership role - ( New Window )
Until Week 8.  
Diver_Down : 5/23/2019 8:54 am : link
Do not be surprised is if he traded before the deadline. He'll serve his role as a mentor, but he has no future with the Giants. The young core should be ready to play by then.
RE: Until Week 8.  
Rudy5757 : 5/23/2019 9:00 am : link
In comment 14453208 Diver_Down said:
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Do not be surprised is if he traded before the deadline. He'll serve his role as a mentor, but he has no future with the Giants. The young core should be ready to play by then.


The only way that happens is if we are losing. If we are competitive he will be on the roster.
RE: RE: Until Week 8.  
V.I.G. : 5/23/2019 9:11 am : link
In comment 14453218 Rudy5757 said:
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The only way that happens is if we are losing. If we are competitive he will be on the roster.


he's implying that we're out of the race by the trade deadline. not crazy.
I hope he plays well this year. Leadership is great but  
90.Cal : 5/23/2019 9:18 am : link
We brought in the Jack Rabbit for his ability to create turnovers. Hopefully we see a few of those this year. Hes good for at least 1 Defensive/ST touchdown every year. If he can play like he did year 1 in NY, it will mean everything for this defense even more so than it did then.
Send him and his contract out by trade deadline  
Earl the goat : 5/23/2019 9:35 am : link
Let the kids play. Learn and make mistakes

Peppers
Love
Chandler
Haley
Baker
Ballantine
Beal

All under 25 with potential
Iíll throw in Lippett
As I stated in the other post.....Jackrabbit will be on the WR1's  
GiantBlue : 5/23/2019 9:36 am : link
That allows the other CB's to work themselves into the NFL on the 2's and 3's. It is not only important that Jenkins be that mentor, but he takes the pressure off the others by handling the top WR's each week.
LOL - BBI has been trying to trade/cut Jenkins for years now  
ZogZerg : 5/23/2019 9:40 am : link
You guys must be really upset that he is still on the roster.
Have there been  
Bubba : 5/23/2019 9:44 am : link
any developments on last year's off season issues?
Jack Rabbit Stepping up  
SgtDog : 5/23/2019 9:46 am : link
I am a fan and he seems to be on the same page as management and coaches. Secondary is a unit much like the offensive line everyone needs to be able to work together in harmony and be able to talk and adjust not only during a game but during each play. This makes Leadership and experience a necessity.
RE: LOL - BBI has been trying to trade/cut Jenkins for years now  
Klaatu : 5/23/2019 9:47 am : link
In comment 14453298 ZogZerg said:
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You guys must be really upset that he is still on the roster.


Hey, sometimes you just have to take a break from trying to trade Evan Engram, ya know?
I'd love to see him stick,  
Beezer : 5/23/2019 9:48 am : link
but really only if the Giants have a shot at a playoff spot by the bye week.

Otherwise? I'm in favor of making a move if things go south.

What might he get back in return? Would it be a third?
RE: As I stated in the other post.....Jackrabbit will be on the WR1's  
Giants in 07 : 5/23/2019 9:54 am : link
In comment 14453289 GiantBlue said:
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That allows the other CB's to work themselves into the NFL on the 2's and 3's. It is not only important that Jenkins be that mentor, but he takes the pressure off the others by handling the top WR's each week.


Feel like this should be fairly obvious
RE: Until Week 8.  
lecky : 5/23/2019 9:56 am : link
In comment 14453208 Diver_Down said:
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Do not be surprised is if he traded before the deadline. He'll serve his role as a mentor, but he has no future with the Giants. The young core should be ready to play by then.


I thought he was one of the few bright spots last year. Seems to go about his job with few distractions. Maybe there is a reason he stuck. If he has a few more years in him and this team becomes competitive wouldn't mind him sticking around, in spite of all the young guys
If two corners emerge out of the rooks + Sam Beal  
widmerseyebrow : 5/23/2019 10:08 am : link
I think we'd definitely ship Jenkins out regardless of what our record is.
I love Jackrabbit...  
Dan in the Springs : 5/23/2019 10:09 am : link
would love to know what kind of trade BBI thinks would be worth ditching him this year at any point, and how realistic a trade it would be.
RE: If two corners emerge out of the rooks + Sam Beal  
jtfuoco : 5/23/2019 11:28 am : link
In comment 14453341 widmerseyebrow said:
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I think we'd definitely ship Jenkins out regardless of what our record is.


You guys do realize that you have to play in the moment not every football decision can made thinking about the future when you have to win games now especially if you are still in the hunt for the playoffs or division. Rookie CBs don't just tear up the NFL that easily either.
Last year had to be difficult to focus on football...  
Torrag : 5/23/2019 11:51 am : link
IF he can up his game too what we saw from him when we signed him I'll be OK spending the money on him. You need some experience as well as talented youth to win games. If he can't regain his form he'll have to go.
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arcarsenal : 5/23/2019 11:53 am : link
I'm not really sure that Jenkins was ever a "problem" guy here. I think his injuries and playing hurt may have made it seem like he was dogging it or wasn't giving his all - but the 2016 version was one of the best cover corners in the league.

If we get anything close to that from him again this year, it'll be a big help.
We need some veterans on this defense. Jackrabbit is worth  
Ira : 5/23/2019 11:57 am : link
keeping.
RE: RE: If two corners emerge out of the rooks + Sam Beal  
widmerseyebrow : 5/23/2019 11:59 am : link
In comment 14453471 jtfuoco said:
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In comment 14453341 widmerseyebrow said:


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I think we'd definitely ship Jenkins out regardless of what our record is.



You guys do realize that you have to play in the moment not every football decision can made thinking about the future when you have to win games now especially if you are still in the hunt for the playoffs or division. Rookie CBs don't just tear up the NFL that easily either.


Never said they would tear it up or that's it's even likely that two of them will be "solid." But it's not impossible either: Will Allen and Will Peterson were drafted in the 1st and 3rd in 2001 and both wound up being our starters.
They need FOUR quality CBs  
MarvelousMike : 5/23/2019 12:16 pm : link
There will be times when one is out due to pulled hammy or another injury. Lets wait until one of the young pups beat him out or there is obvious signs his skills have decreased significantly before throwing him out with the bath water.
Depends on our record at week 8  
Leg of Theismann : 5/23/2019 12:18 pm : link
If we're in the hunt I say keep him. If not, I think we could get a 3rd rounder for him from a team that has a chance to make a run but desperately needing CB help to do so. Between that and the Collins comp pick we could have 3 3rd rounders in 2020 (on top of a ton of cap $ to spend in FA).
As long as we are in contention he will be  
TMS : 5/23/2019 12:21 pm : link
staying. We got rid all those guys last year when we were floundering .
Don't forget  
George : 5/23/2019 12:23 pm : link
Paul Perkins and Zak DeOssie.
Jackrabbit's presence on the roster means one thing.  
FStubbs : 5/23/2019 1:38 pm : link
Gettleman must have decided that he's a good locker room presence to have.
RE: I love Jackrabbit...  
christian : 5/23/2019 1:49 pm : link
In comment 14453343 Dan in the Springs said:
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would love to know what kind of trade BBI thinks would be worth ditching him this year at any point, and how realistic a trade it would be.


Statistically from a number of views Jenkins was one of the worst corners in the NFL.

He pinned it on injury, which I have no reason to doubt. But that's two sequential years where injury has really impacted his play.

So now you have a corner in his 30s, the 4th highest paid corner in the league, who's not performed in two years.

As far as trade value, considering age, cost, and performance, Jenkins wouldn't garner much today.

If he bounces back and shows really well next year, hopefully the value increases.
RE: .  
Scuzzlebutt : 5/23/2019 1:50 pm : link
In comment 14453513 arcarsenal said:
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I'm not really sure that Jenkins was ever a "problem" guy here. I think his injuries and playing hurt may have made it seem like he was dogging it or wasn't giving his all - but the 2016 version was one of the best cover corners in the league.

If we get anything close to that from him again this year, it'll be a big help.


I disagree. I distinctly remember Jenkins mailing it in for a game (or maybe two) in 2017. He had some kind of dispute with Macadoo if I remember and he was clearly not even trying during the game. That told me all I need to know about Jenkins. Loads of talent, but he is a quitter.
Trading Jackrabbit mid-year...  
Dan in the Springs : 5/23/2019 2:52 pm : link
wouldn't that result in some kind of cap hit? I'm not a capologist, but it seems that it would be several million dollars (around $4MM?) on this year's cap, something we aren't likely to have available. Of course we could restructure some contracts, but that would have to be done prior to a trade becoming official, which has to happen before the deadline, right?

RE: Trading Jackrabbit mid-year...  
ron mexico : 5/23/2019 3:04 pm : link
In comment 14453874 Dan in the Springs said:
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wouldn't that result in some kind of cap hit? I'm not a capologist, but it seems that it would be several million dollars (around $4MM?) on this year's cap, something we aren't likely to have available. Of course we could restructure some contracts, but that would have to be done prior to a trade becoming official, which has to happen before the deadline, right?


yes, looks like a cap hit of 3.5 mil less any 2019 salary picked up by the acquiring team

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arcarsenal : 5/23/2019 6:38 pm : link
In comment 14453698 Scuzzlebutt said:
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In comment 14453513 arcarsenal said:


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I'm not really sure that Jenkins was ever a "problem" guy here. I think his injuries and playing hurt may have made it seem like he was dogging it or wasn't giving his all - but the 2016 version was one of the best cover corners in the league.

If we get anything close to that from him again this year, it'll be a big help.



I disagree. I distinctly remember Jenkins mailing it in for a game (or maybe two) in 2017. He had some kind of dispute with Macadoo if I remember and he was clearly not even trying during the game. That told me all I need to know about Jenkins. Loads of talent, but he is a quitter.


He was injured.
I've never been anti-Jack Rabbit  
adamg : 5/23/2019 6:52 pm : link
And I'm still not. But what are we going to do if Beal and Baker are both the goods? Rabbit seems like an expensive luxury at that point.
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christian : 5/23/2019 7:04 pm : link
Trading Jenkins would incur a dead money hit of 3.5M over the next two years, but result in a cap savings of 11.2M in each of the next 2 years.

If someone where to trade for him, that would be an outstanding outcome for the Giants.
he's not getting traded  
bc4life : 5/23/2019 7:08 pm : link
he alluded to some injury he had last year, said something about it bothering him the first part of the season.

he'll be fine, he'll be special if they can generate a pass rush
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Diver_Down : 5/23/2019 7:23 pm : link
In comment 14454176 christian said:
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Trading Jenkins would incur a dead money hit of 3.5M over the next two years, but result in a cap savings of 11.2M in each of the next 2 years.

If someone where to trade for him, that would be an outstanding outcome for the Giants.


Actually, in the scenario of a deadline trade, we would have a cap savings of a little over a $1M this year. But we would also be saving next year's salary/workout bonus/roster bonus on the cap. There would be a $3.5M dead cap hit for this year and next. The net result is savings for this year and next while also getting the draft pick in return.
He's done in 2020  
GothamGiants : 5/23/2019 7:43 pm : link
might as well trade him for whatever you can get at the deadline ... not anti-Jenkins, more optimistic on the young guys deserving reps by this point

Love, Peppers; Beal/Baker + Haley in 2020 ... I love the potential of this young secondary.
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christian : 5/23/2019 10:09 pm : link
In comment 14454196 Diver_Down said:
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In comment 14454176 christian said:


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Trading Jenkins would incur a dead money hit of 3.5M over the next two years, but result in a cap savings of 11.2M in each of the next 2 years.

If someone where to trade for him, that would be an outstanding outcome for the Giants.



Actually, in the scenario of a deadline trade, we would have a cap savings of a little over a $1M this year. But we would also be saving next year's salary/workout bonus/roster bonus on the cap. There would be a $3.5M dead cap hit for this year and next. The net result is savings for this year and next while also getting the draft pick in return.


Sure -- if they wait until the trade deadline. He can save the Giants *up* to 11.2M if he's a post-June 1 trade, and has 3.5M dead money hits in each of the next two years.

From a performance and cost perspective, there's just no value. He's the fourth highest paid corner in the league.

This notion of overpaying guys to teach, influence, mentor, is overrated. I'd rather save the money, let the young guys get reps, and let the coaches teach them.
We still know nothing of Beal...  
NephilimGiants : 5/24/2019 11:20 am : link
Jenkins will stay if we make a run for playoffs...
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