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allstarjim : 5/23/2019 10:49 am
Worst lineup in recent memory. Todd Frazier in the three-hole, lol. Well, honestly not much worse than Cano. Hopefully, we finish up the 4-game sweep!



Both McNeil and Cano to IL. So Mets-like to finally have Cano out of the lineup for an extended stretch and McNeil goes on IL as well so he can't replace him at 2B. The Cespedes stuff, the Lowrie re-injuries and setbacks...what is it with this team?
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We empty out our farm system  
Metnut : 5/23/2019 2:41 pm : link
for Diaz and can't get even ask him to use 4 outs. What's the point in giving up Kelenic and taking on all the Cano dead money if he's just a one inning guy?

What a fucking joke
You just gotta be kidding me  
Metnut : 5/23/2019 2:42 pm : link
with this bullshit. UGHHHHH
I am at work so I am following via the shitty  
figgy2989 : 5/23/2019 2:43 pm : link
MLB play by play.

Can someone tell me why Mickey left Dora the Explorer (as my young son calls him) in the game?
So Mickey would rather pitch Gsellman  
Section331 : 5/23/2019 2:44 pm : link
a 3rd time in 4 days than ask Diaz to get 4 outs? If they don't come back, this will be a terrible missed opportunity.
Atta boy Dom!  
Section331 : 5/23/2019 2:44 pm : link
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RE: We empty out our farm system  
figgy2989 : 5/23/2019 2:45 pm : link
In comment 14453832 Metnut said:
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for Diaz and can't get even ask him to use 4 outs. What's the point in giving up Kelenic and taking on all the Cano dead money if he's just a one inning guy?

What a fucking joke


Metnut, unsure if you saw the NY post article today, but the day Cano went on the IL, Kelenic hit his 8th HR in A ball.
RE: So Mickey would rather pitch Gsellman  
Mike in NY : 5/23/2019 2:45 pm : link
In comment 14453839 Section331 said:
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a 3rd time in 4 days than ask Diaz to get 4 outs? If they don't come back, this will be a terrible missed opportunity.


I believe it would be 3rd time in 4 days for Diaz as well. Gsellman threw all of 7 pitches yesterday.
WTG Dommy!!!  
Metnut : 5/23/2019 2:46 pm : link
Let's gooo
RE: RE: We empty out our farm system  
Metnut : 5/23/2019 2:47 pm : link
In comment 14453843 figgy2989 said:
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In comment 14453832 Metnut said:


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for Diaz and can't get even ask him to use 4 outs. What's the point in giving up Kelenic and taking on all the Cano dead money if he's just a one inning guy?

What a fucking joke



Metnut, unsure if you saw the NY post article today, but the day Cano went on the IL, Kelenic hit his 8th HR in A ball.


Kid is a stud. We need to use Diaz in situations like today to get max value out of him. He was off yesterday. Asking an extra out isn't too much. Especially 2nd and 3rd and 2 out in a 1 run game! Doesn't get any bigger than that!
Again, only seeing it via the play by play  
figgy2989 : 5/23/2019 2:48 pm : link
Is there a reason that Dom is not being pinch run for?
Once McNeil is back  
figgy2989 : 5/23/2019 2:49 pm : link
Frazier needs to be DFA'd.
Now he's warming up Diaz?!?!  
Metnut : 5/23/2019 2:49 pm : link
If he was available he needs to be out there with 2 outs and 2nd and 3rd.

Our manager is a buffoon.
RE: Again, only seeing it via the play by play  
Mike in NY : 5/23/2019 2:49 pm : link
In comment 14453856 figgy2989 said:
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Is there a reason that Dom is not being pinch run for?


Because they may want to keep Dom in for defense at 1B and pitcher would slot into Alonso's spot and they are down to Guillorme and Nido on the bench so unless you PR with a pitcher you are taking away a potential PH in extra innings.
Got it and that makes sense  
figgy2989 : 5/23/2019 2:50 pm : link
Thank you
Cmon Pete...  
Metnut : 5/23/2019 2:50 pm : link
we need this badly
We'd have to pitch run  
Metnut : 5/23/2019 2:52 pm : link
for Ramos here right? What reason would there be to not do this?
Wow  
Rflairr : 5/23/2019 2:53 pm : link
Are you serious. Wow Gomez
Wow  
figgy2989 : 5/23/2019 2:53 pm : link
Gomez three run shot...

Wow  
Gmanfandan : 5/23/2019 2:53 pm : link
just wow.... Luck of the Irish? Ghost of Wilmer Flores?
FUCK YESalsdjfklasjde  
Metnut : 5/23/2019 2:54 pm : link
im having a heart attack today

lets go mets
Mickey is genius  
Metnut : 5/23/2019 2:54 pm : link
i love you all
More heroics from the bench  
ChaChing : 5/23/2019 2:55 pm : link
Amazing that it's been a bunch of slumping if not fringe guys the last few. Fun to watch especially after losing the lead the way they did
RE: More heroics from the bench  
Metnut : 5/23/2019 2:59 pm : link
In comment 14453888 ChaChing said:
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Amazing that it's been a bunch of slumping if not fringe guys the last few. Fun to watch especially after losing the lead the way they did


One of the craziest Mets weeks I've seen in a while.

If they close this out, so much more fun talking about a winning streak than having me lose my mind complaining about Callaway.
RE: oh look  
Rflairr : 5/23/2019 2:59 pm : link
In comment 14453831 Mike in NY said:
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Rflairr shows up when a Mets move backfires. Completely silent in last night's game thread.


Nope. Dont have time to sit on game threads everyday. No worries, Mickey makes an idiotic move every game
Carlos Gomez  
Vanzetti : 5/23/2019 3:00 pm : link
great to see him back in a Mets uniform and getting some big hits

and don't forget the stolen base that set up the go ahead run against Strasburg
RE: More heroics from the bench  
Metnut : 5/23/2019 3:01 pm : link
In comment 14453888 ChaChing said:
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Amazing that it's been a bunch of slumping if not fringe guys the last few. Fun to watch especially after losing the lead the way they did


Dumping Broxton looks to be the right move. Let Gomez, Davis and Altheir fight it out to see who stays when Conforto, Nimmo and McNeil all come back.
RE: Now he's warming up Diaz?!?!  
figgy2989 : 5/23/2019 3:06 pm : link
In comment 14453858 Metnut said:
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If he was available he needs to be out there with 2 outs and 2nd and 3rd.

Our manager is a buffoon.


Makes it even more head scratching when Diaz comes in and has a 1,2,3 9th.
RE: RE: oh look  
Rory : 5/23/2019 3:07 pm : link
In comment 14453900 Rflairr said:
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Rflairr shows up when a Mets move backfires. Completely silent in last night's game thread.



Nope. Dont have time to sit on game threads everyday. No worries, Mickey makes an idiotic move every game


what about the ones he gets right though.
WOW. What a win!!!  
Vanzetti : 5/23/2019 3:09 pm : link
Let's hope Mickey learns from his mistakes. Gsellman's breaking balls just were not crisp today. He left a bunch of hanging curves. After the walk to Soto he should have been on a short leash. And then to let him face the lefty after giving up two straight hits. Yikes
RE: RE: Now he's warming up Diaz?!?!  
Metnut : 5/23/2019 3:14 pm : link
In comment 14453916 figgy2989 said:
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In comment 14453858 Metnut said:


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If he was available he needs to be out there with 2 outs and 2nd and 3rd.

Our manager is a buffoon.



Makes it even more head scratching when Diaz comes in and has a 1,2,3 9th.


It's bad managing on his part. Gsellmen has been great lately but he looked gassed. If Diaz was truly available and sharp, you have to start warming him up in the 8th once Gsellmen gets into trouble. Just basic stuff here.

It's not all bad. It looked like Mickey was going to be fired and the team has rallied a bit behind him (although it's mostly backups) so we have to acknowledge that.

3 vs the Tigers this weekend and then the schedule gets tough again. Let's leave this week at least at .500 and hopefully we start to get some players back.
Say what you want  
pjcas18 : 5/23/2019 3:16 pm : link
about the manager or the slumps, roster holes, whatever, but this team has guts.

If they can keep it together until everyone gets healthy and straightened out, these are the kinds of wins that can galvanize a team.

And I don't think that's overrated in baseball.
Mick having just said Diaz was available for more than 3 outs  
ChaChing : 5/23/2019 3:16 pm : link
was the guarantee he was not

Mick should just go George Constanza and do the opposite

RE: Say what you want  
Vanzetti : 5/23/2019 3:24 pm : link
In comment 14453940 pjcas18 said:
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about the manager or the slumps, roster holes, whatever, but this team has guts.

If they can keep it together until everyone gets healthy and straightened out, these are the kinds of wins that can galvanize a team.

And I don't think that's overrated in baseball.


I agree. Mickey has made a bunch of questionable moves. He is hopeless when it comes to dealing with the NY media, who constantly get him to say things he shouldn't.

But if you look at the injuries and underperformance by the starters, this team is right about where it should be record wise
All these years later finally the Gomez acquisition bears fruit  
Eric on Li : 5/23/2019 3:28 pm : link
I missed it live but hard to not be really happy with the abrupt about face from the organization since Monday. They dumped some non-producers, other guys got hurt, other guys have stepped up. There's life and energy in the dugout again. Unfortunately Mickey is still doing dumb shit (of course I was able to see him not go to Diaz in the 8th) - but the team has life right now and if he can keep that going that's the most important thing.
Raj, Gomez and Lagares  
Vanzetti : 5/23/2019 3:29 pm : link
is that the fastest OF the Mets have ever had?
It's official  
pjcas18 : 5/23/2019 3:39 pm : link
Cespedes out for the year.

Sign Keuchel.

Two weeks from the draft so you really should wait, so you don't lose a pick, but I don't mind either way.

if you wait, make sure he knows the Mets have interest, a rotation spot, and will go multi-year.
.  
pjcas18 : 5/23/2019 3:40 pm : link

Jerry Beach
‏ @JerryBeach73
36s36 seconds ago

Yoenis Cespedes out for the year after right ankle surgery, per the Mets.
RE: It's official  
figgy2989 : 5/23/2019 3:42 pm : link
In comment 14453991 pjcas18 said:
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Cespedes out for the year.

Sign Keuchel.

Two weeks from the draft so you really should wait, so you don't lose a pick, but I don't mind either way.

if you wait, make sure he knows the Mets have interest, a rotation spot, and will go multi-year.


Pretty sure that is what all the other SP starved teams are waiting for as well.
RE: RE: It's official  
pjcas18 : 5/23/2019 3:59 pm : link
In comment 14454006 figgy2989 said:
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In comment 14453991 pjcas18 said:


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Cespedes out for the year.

Sign Keuchel.

Two weeks from the draft so you really should wait, so you don't lose a pick, but I don't mind either way.

if you wait, make sure he knows the Mets have interest, a rotation spot, and will go multi-year.



Pretty sure that is what all the other SP starved teams are waiting for as well.


Are any of them getting 20M back into their payroll they'd already considered spent (in theory)?
RE: .  
Vanzetti : 5/23/2019 4:00 pm : link
In comment 14453996 pjcas18 said:
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Jerry Beach
‏ @JerryBeach73
36s36 seconds ago

Yoenis Cespedes out for the year after right ankle surgery, per the Mets.


I don't think Cespedes was coming back this year anyway. He was going through the motions but I think his plan all along was to sit out and then try to have a big year in 2020, which is his walk year.

I also think Mets would be foolish to try and void his contract. That sends a huge negative message to other potential free agents. Cespedes only has one year left, and like I said, it is his walk year so he will be motivated.
Is BVW planning to use Rosario as a trade chip?  
Vanzetti : 5/23/2019 4:15 pm : link
If Mets want to add a difference maker at the deadline, they do not have the prospects. Rosario has four years of control and would be attractive for a team looking for a quick rebuild. He has a good swing and eventually will hit. I think he still has a lot of value around the league.

If this is BVW's plan, it makes sense of otherwise head-scratching moves.

1. Why sign Lowrie when you already have McNeil, Cano, Frazier, Rosario and JD? Well, it makes sense if you want to have the option of trading Rosario.

2. Why did Brodie call up Hecchavarria and thereby guarantee his 3 million salary when he could have let him walk for nothing. Why didn't he use that 3 million to sign Gio, who is obviously a bigger need than a thirdstring SS? Again, it makes more sense if Brodie wants to leave himself the option of trading Rosario. Then Hecc becomes the primary backup and late inning defensive replacement.

3. Jiminez does not have the upside of Rosario but he is a much more solid defender and will be a guy who gives you six years of ML average play at the SS position, starting about the time Lowrie's contract is up.

And just to be clear, I'm not saying BVW is actively shopping Rosario. But I do think Brodie realizes he does not have the prospects to swing a big deadline deal and if he wants to make such a deal, Rosario likely has to be part of it. So, he quietly made the moves that will enable that to happen if he wants to go in that direction.
Amesone win.  
ZGiants98 : 5/23/2019 8:19 pm : link
Awesome sweep. Much needed after the Marlins debacle. I do think the Mets are going to have to add another bat at the deadline. Most of these guys will come back but I still think we need another hitter to guard against injuries. It was nice having a wild card in a possible late season Cespedes addition but that clearly isn't happening anymore.

I think the pitching is fine. The bullpen was the best in baseball in May and that's without even getting top performances from everyone. The rotation seems to be settling in nicely as well... finally.
I do think it's hilarious that we have fans  
ZGiants98 : 5/23/2019 8:22 pm : link
drooling over Vlad Guerrero Jr and wishing the Mets could someday develop a prospect like that when in the same season as Vlad, Alonso is hitting the stage and is smoking him so far offensively. We may have just developed our own Goldschmidt or Judge but we are envious over a guy hitting league average with poor defense at 3B.... so far lol.

And that's not taking anything away from Vlad.. He should be a great one, but ugh... yeah. My money is on Alonso winning Rookie of the Year this year so far....
RE: I do think it's hilarious that we have fans  
Jay on the Island : 5/23/2019 8:50 pm : link
In comment 14454227 ZGiants98 said:
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drooling over Vlad Guerrero Jr and wishing the Mets could someday develop a prospect like that when in the same season as Vlad, Alonso is hitting the stage and is smoking him so far offensively. We may have just developed our own Goldschmidt or Judge but we are envious over a guy hitting league average with poor defense at 3B.... so far lol.

And that's not taking anything away from Vlad.. He should be a great one, but ugh... yeah. My money is on Alonso winning Rookie of the Year this year so far....

There are so many good young players in the running for NL rookie of the year this season. Paddack, Alonso, Soroka, Verdugo, Tatis Jr. plus Austin Riley could enter the running if he keeps this up. I dont remember a year with so many legit options. As of today I would give it to Alonso but Paddack and Soroka are close.
RE: RE: I do think it's hilarious that we have fans  
ZGiants98 : 5/23/2019 8:54 pm : link
In comment 14454242 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 14454227 ZGiants98 said:


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drooling over Vlad Guerrero Jr and wishing the Mets could someday develop a prospect like that when in the same season as Vlad, Alonso is hitting the stage and is smoking him so far offensively. We may have just developed our own Goldschmidt or Judge but we are envious over a guy hitting league average with poor defense at 3B.... so far lol.

And that's not taking anything away from Vlad.. He should be a great one, but ugh... yeah. My money is on Alonso winning Rookie of the Year this year so far....


There are so many good young players in the running for NL rookie of the year this season. Paddack, Alonso, Soroka, Verdugo, Tatis Jr. plus Austin Riley could enter the running if he keeps this up. I dont remember a year with so many legit options. As of today I would give it to Alonso but Paddack and Soroka are close.


Absolutely, many good candidates for sure. And who knows where it ends up. Just funny to me how Mets fans have such blinders on when it comes to their own players. The Mets have not been short on developing talent over the last 5 years or so at all.
RE: RE: RE: I do think it's hilarious that we have fans  
Jay on the Island : 5/23/2019 9:02 pm : link
In comment 14454246 ZGiants98 said:
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Absolutely, many good candidates for sure. And who knows where it ends up. Just funny to me how Mets fans have such blinders on when it comes to their own players. The Mets have not been short on developing talent over the last 5 years or so at all.

In baseball it doesnt get better than a team of home grown players performing at high levels.
Alonso was a sophmore at UF when he was Vlad's age  
Eric on Li : 5/23/2019 9:49 pm : link
I love Alonso as much as the next person but saying he's "smoking" a 20 year old who has more than held his own in his first 20 mlb games is a little silly, no?
RE: Alonso was a sophmore at UF when he was Vlad's age  
Jay on the Island : 5/23/2019 9:57 pm : link
In comment 14454295 Eric on Li said:
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I love Alonso as much as the next person but saying he's "smoking" a 20 year old who has more than held his own in his first 20 mlb games is a little silly, no?

Yes, thats not an insult to Alonso its just that Vlad Jr has a higher ceiling than any young player in baseball. As good as Soto and Acuna Jr are Vlad will be a better hitter than both.
RE: Alonso was a sophmore at UF when he was Vlad's age  
ZGiants98 : 5/23/2019 10:08 pm : link
In comment 14454295 Eric on Li said:
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I love Alonso as much as the next person but saying he's "smoking" a 20 year old who has more than held his own in his first 20 mlb games is a little silly, no?


Ah yes... the ol age thing. They are both breaking into the majors in the same year, both teams will control these players for 6 years, and neither should surpass their prime by the time that control is over. In terms of impact the player will have on the franchise until they hit free agency I really dont see the difference. Further, we've produced the toolsy younger type prospects too. Rosario was on top of all lists a couple of seasons ago. Doesnt always work out better than the older, more polished college bats. Overall point, Alonso is an absolute stud regardless of age. He might be the top bat we've produced since Strawberry. He might hit 50 homers his rookie year. Mets fans shouldn't really be griping about not producing prospects, especially right now IMO.
RE: RE: Alonso was a sophmore at UF when he was Vlad's age  
Eric on Li : 5/23/2019 10:46 pm : link
In comment 14454302 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 14454295 Eric on Li said:


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I love Alonso as much as the next person but saying he's "smoking" a 20 year old who has more than held his own in his first 20 mlb games is a little silly, no?


Yes, thats not an insult to Alonso its just that Vlad Jr has a higher ceiling than any young player in baseball. As good as Soto and Acuna Jr are Vlad will be a better hitter than both.


yea I don't think there are 10 guys in all MLB who would return Vlad Jr. in a deal 1 for 1. He's a more advanced version of Miguel Cabrera circa 2003.
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