to make a show depicting a classic and make it entertaining. If you make it original, people bitch that the characters are different. If you make it the same, people will complain about the actors trying to mimic the original characters.
That wasn't really entertaining last night. Woody Harrleson was painful as Archie Bunker.
If you are going to do an event like that - at least pick good episodes to use. The episode selection was part of the problem.
For nostalgia, I'd rather just have the original shows remastered in high definition.
It was great. Woody Harrelson and Jamie Foxx were great and I really liked it when Fox fudged his line and he said, "We're on live TV. Mistakes will happen." Marisa Tomei was adorable, but she was kind of miscast as Edith.
And it was great seeing Marla Gibbs. Really took me back. I didn't get a lot of sleep growing up in the 90's so I would watch Nick at Nite. I Love Lucy, Brady Bunch, Happy Days, all the Newhart shows, All in the Family, the Jeffersons, Diff'rent Strokes, the Wonder Years...
at least a good job in their roles. I thought Marisa did great in snippets of Edith and Woody and she nailed the opening theme song. Jamie Foxx did such a good job as George. As an actor the man has range. The show entertained me and that's what I want when I watch a sitcom. Most on TV fail today.
I only know the shows from after the fact since it was before my time, but they were always funny to me even in watching as reruns.
What a fantastic tribute to Norman Lear, and to all of the actors and actresses from the original show. Both shows were culturally groundbreaking and provided characters that have stood the test of time.
I am sure that all of the people involved last night-- from Woodey Harrelson to Wanda Sykes grew up loving those shows and felt a deep sense of honor and privilege getting to recreate them for fans all over.
It's no different than watching musicians put together tribute performances at various award shows.
Jamie Foxx has been a tremendous talent for decades-- he can sing, dance, act, and do great impressions. He was awesome as George Jefferson and I thought Marisa Tomei did a great job as Edith.
I enjoyed all of them, including Woody. He was clearly going for Carol O'Connor's speech patter and it was endearing.
Plus, we got the theme songs to both (and Jennifer Hudson can SING) with a perfect cameo by Marla Gibbs.
the script was ok but I thought Woody and Foxx did great in their roles. And Tomei was also good.
They really captured much of the mannerisms of the original actors.
I did love the throwback concept and I did not mind the old scripts. But I do agree with some here that they really did not do a great job in casting. SNL would have done a better job in casting. I agree Harrelson made a TERIBLE Archie Bunker. Archie had more hair and was much more beefy than Harrelson. I also did not like the casting of Gloria as the entire time this show ran I remember her as a blond and I really have NO CLUE how you cast Gloria without the blond hair. Fox was great as George! Altogether it was nice to watch but if you're going to take on such an iconic project you need to make it great and not just good.
RE: RE: How did they handle language and terminology?
his take is a slur is a slur, so why air one and not the other?
Or are cultural sensitivities the standard for what gets bleeped now?
What culture would a character saying "Fuck" rile up?
I think the effort was made to present the shows as they originally aired, with what is today labelled "culturally insensitive" language both as an homage to the iconic shows but also to help spark conversation about sensitive topics like race, sexuality, misogyny, etc.
I just assume as a society, at this point, we've deemed the N word on broadcast TV to be off limits given it's ugly history in this country. My point is Honky, while yes a slur, should not be given the same weight as the N word.
his take is a slur is a slur, so why air one and not the other?
Or are cultural sensitivities the standard for what gets bleeped now?
What culture would a character saying "Fuck" rile up?
I think the effort was made to present the shows as they originally aired, with what is today labelled "culturally insensitive" language both as an homage to the iconic shows but also to help spark conversation about sensitive topics like race, sexuality, misogyny, etc.
I just assume as a society, at this point, we've deemed the N word on broadcast TV to be off limits given it's ugly history in this country. My point is Honky, while yes a slur, should not be given the same weight as the N word.
I know that Archie was fond of "chinks". Well, not the people so much, but the word. Would/should that have been bleeped if the original dialogue included it?
I know Rob Reiner was a "Polack", but, to your point I suppose, I am on the fence about that one. I'm not really sure where my personal line would be.
I think the effort was made to present the shows as they originally aired, with what is today labelled "culturally insensitive" language both as an homage to the iconic shows but also to help spark conversation about sensitive topics like race, sexuality, misogyny, etc.
This is exactly why they did the show. They wanted to show both how we have come a long way since the time when it aired, but also the opposite. Some of the themes still hold true today. They wanted people to have a conversation about it.
Yes they could have picked funnier episodes but so what. It brought me back to those very funny TV shows. They should do an entirely new all in the family series. Imagine the show geared to current policy is and other issues concerning our society. God that could be insane.
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I can't imagine word usage from the'70's would be allowable today?
They didn't change a thing from the dialogue.. The did bleep out the N word but that's it
I thought that it was great overall, but didn't like that "Honkey" was allowed while the "N word" was bleeped. Both should have been.
Winners: Foxx & Tomei
Losers: Whoever that was playing Gloria... Yikes.
You don't understand the cultural and historical differences between the N Word and Honky?
There is none - Hate is Hate... and dont give me some double standard bullshit.
We'll obviously agree to disagree here. The word Honky for me is not equivalent to the N Word and it's usage in the US with it's historical treatment of African Americans (slavery, Jim Crow, etc.) Any label can be delivered with hate certainly but not all labels are equal in my opinion.
You think otherwise, it's all good.
And as we can see, broadcasting the show last night is producing a conversation that may not typically happen. It's great to live in a country where we can discuss differing opinions.
It's not the content of the slur, it's the SOUND of it...
...yes, by intent, 'honky' and 'nigger' are equal. The latter has a truckload more historic impact, but I think the sound of the word, the way it hits in English is what gives it power. Same with the C-word, same with 'faggot' - some insults hit hard simply on the way they sound.
Honky? Cracker? Honestly, I've never heard anyone get upset over those, they can be used in hate but simply lack the oral impact of the others I mentioned.
Could get into a deeper discussion, but we'd be breaking the rules.
The one episode of All in the Family that always stood out in my mind
was when the Bunkers had over a Gold Star dad and a draft dodger and Archie was furious over the draft dodger coming over, but the dad gave a nice little speech about co-existence.
RE: The one episode of All in the Family that always stood out in my mind
was when the Bunkers had over a Gold Star dad and a draft dodger and Archie was furious over the draft dodger coming over, but the dad gave a nice little speech about co-existence.
If I remember correctly, William Windom played the father.
That wasn't really entertaining last night. Woody Harrleson was painful as Archie Bunker.
If you are going to do an event like that - at least pick good episodes to use. The episode selection was part of the problem.
For nostalgia, I'd rather just have the original shows remastered in high definition.
And it was great seeing Marla Gibbs. Really took me back. I didn't get a lot of sleep growing up in the 90's so I would watch Nick at Nite. I Love Lucy, Brady Bunch, Happy Days, all the Newhart shows, All in the Family, the Jeffersons, Diff'rent Strokes, the Wonder Years...
Guy has really become a very well-rounded actor.
Guy has really become a very well-rounded actor.
He really takes on the life of the character he's portraying. He was phenomenal as Ray Charles.
To me Tomei was the best and agree that Harrelson was awful.
They didnt change a thing from the dialogue.. The did bleep out the N word but thats it
What a fantastic tribute to Norman Lear, and to all of the actors and actresses from the original show. Both shows were culturally groundbreaking and provided characters that have stood the test of time.
I am sure that all of the people involved last night-- from Woodey Harrelson to Wanda Sykes grew up loving those shows and felt a deep sense of honor and privilege getting to recreate them for fans all over.
It's no different than watching musicians put together tribute performances at various award shows.
Jamie Foxx has been a tremendous talent for decades-- he can sing, dance, act, and do great impressions. He was awesome as George Jefferson and I thought Marisa Tomei did a great job as Edith.
I enjoyed all of them, including Woody. He was clearly going for Carol O'Connor's speech patter and it was endearing.
Plus, we got the theme songs to both (and Jennifer Hudson can SING) with a perfect cameo by Marla Gibbs.
It was a night of pure nostalgia.
They really captured much of the mannerisms of the original actors.
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I can't imagine word usage from the'70's would be allowable today?
They didn't change a thing from the dialogue.. The did bleep out the N word but that's it
I thought that it was great overall, but didn't like that "Honkey" was allowed while the "N word" was bleeped. Both should have been.
Winners: Foxx & Tomei
Losers: Whoever that was playing Gloria... Yikes.
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I can't imagine word usage from the'70's would be allowable today?
They didn't change a thing from the dialogue.. The did bleep out the N word but that's it
I thought that it was great overall, but didn't like that "Honkey" was allowed while the "N word" was bleeped. Both should have been.
Winners: Foxx & Tomei
Losers: Whoever that was playing Gloria... Yikes.
I love Ellie Kemper, but yeah, a bit of a miscast
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I can't imagine word usage from the'70's would be allowable today?
They didn't change a thing from the dialogue.. The did bleep out the N word but that's it
I thought that it was great overall, but didn't like that "Honkey" was allowed while the "N word" was bleeped. Both should have been.
Winners: Foxx & Tomei
Losers: Whoever that was playing Gloria... Yikes.
You don't understand the cultural and historical differences between the N Word and Honky?
Or are cultural sensitivities the standard for what gets bleeped now?
What culture would a character saying "Fuck" rile up?
Or are cultural sensitivities the standard for what gets bleeped now?
What culture would a character saying "Fuck" rile up?
I think the effort was made to present the shows as they originally aired, with what is today labelled "culturally insensitive" language both as an homage to the iconic shows but also to help spark conversation about sensitive topics like race, sexuality, misogyny, etc.
I just assume as a society, at this point, we've deemed the N word on broadcast TV to be off limits given it's ugly history in this country. My point is Honky, while yes a slur, should not be given the same weight as the N word.
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his take is a slur is a slur, so why air one and not the other?
Or are cultural sensitivities the standard for what gets bleeped now?
What culture would a character saying "Fuck" rile up?
I think the effort was made to present the shows as they originally aired, with what is today labelled "culturally insensitive" language both as an homage to the iconic shows but also to help spark conversation about sensitive topics like race, sexuality, misogyny, etc.
I just assume as a society, at this point, we've deemed the N word on broadcast TV to be off limits given it's ugly history in this country. My point is Honky, while yes a slur, should not be given the same weight as the N word.
I know that Archie was fond of "chinks". Well, not the people so much, but the word. Would/should that have been bleeped if the original dialogue included it?
I know Rob Reiner was a "Polack", but, to your point I suppose, I am on the fence about that one. I'm not really sure where my personal line would be.
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In comment 14453477 Bill L said:
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I can't imagine word usage from the'70's would be allowable today?
They didn't change a thing from the dialogue.. The did bleep out the N word but that's it
I thought that it was great overall, but didn't like that "Honkey" was allowed while the "N word" was bleeped. Both should have been.
Winners: Foxx & Tomei
Losers: Whoever that was playing Gloria... Yikes.
You don't understand the cultural and historical differences between the N Word and Honky?
There is none - Hate is Hate... and dont give me some double standard bullshit.
This is exactly why they did the show. They wanted to show both how we have come a long way since the time when it aired, but also the opposite. Some of the themes still hold true today. They wanted people to have a conversation about it.
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I can't imagine word usage from the'70's would be allowable today?
They didn't change a thing from the dialogue.. The did bleep out the N word but that's it
I thought that it was great overall, but didn't like that "Honkey" was allowed while the "N word" was bleeped. Both should have been.
Winners: Foxx & Tomei
Losers: Whoever that was playing Gloria... Yikes.
You don't understand the cultural and historical differences between the N Word and Honky?
There is none - Hate is Hate... and dont give me some double standard bullshit.
We'll obviously agree to disagree here. The word Honky for me is not equivalent to the N Word and it's usage in the US with it's historical treatment of African Americans (slavery, Jim Crow, etc.) Any label can be delivered with hate certainly but not all labels are equal in my opinion.
You think otherwise, it's all good.
And as we can see, broadcasting the show last night is producing a conversation that may not typically happen. It's great to live in a country where we can discuss differing opinions.
Honky? Cracker? Honestly, I've never heard anyone get upset over those, they can be used in hate but simply lack the oral impact of the others I mentioned.
Could get into a deeper discussion, but we'd be breaking the rules.
If I remember correctly, William Windom played the father.