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Who stood out at Giants OTA practice? (5/23)

ZogZerg : 5/23/2019 1:10 pm
Article up on Giants.com

Looks like they practiced inside today.

WRs: Tate, Fowler, & Slayton
QB: Eli
CB: Haley


Who stood out at Giants OTA practice? (5/23) - ( New Window )
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RE: RE: This is interesting.  
Klaatu : 5/23/2019 2:11 pm : link
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Rookie Dexter Lawrence was a presence in the blitz period from his 3-4 end position...



Why is our "two-down-run-stuffer" playing 3-4 end and blitzing?



He's not the blitzer, he's the down end while others are blitzing. And the Giants and his college coach think he can rush the passer.


Ahh. I see.
RE: Why no mention of Gallman in  
Klaatu : 5/23/2019 2:12 pm : link
In comment 14453742 Sneakers O'toole said:
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the RB rotation in the Schmeelk article. Not active today? Did I miss something?


I wondered about that, too. Seems odd.
Although not a deep threat, Fowler may be underrated in this group.  
Ivan15 : 5/23/2019 2:13 pm : link
He seems to get his share of looks from Eli.

I hope the DBs are the reincarnation of Emlin’s Gremlins. Just need to find a couple of Spider Lockharts.
RE: Although not a deep threat, Fowler may be underrated in this group.  
Klaatu : 5/23/2019 2:22 pm : link
In comment 14453755 Ivan15 said:
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He seems to get his share of looks from Eli.

I hope the DBs are the reincarnation of Emlin’s Gremlins. Just need to find a couple of Spider Lockharts.


Check this out - In his four years with Denver, Bennie Fowler, a UDFA, had more receptions than fellow ex-Bronco Cody Latimer had in his four years with the club - 56 to 27.
RE: I get its early but from the lack of pub  
Klaatu : 5/23/2019 2:26 pm : link
In comment 14453750 Giantz_comeback said:
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Jones doesnt seem to be doing so hot so far.

Again its waaaaay early, but for our #6 pick and supposedly fairly polished for a QB coming out of college I am hoping to hear positive reports and/or steady progression sooner than later.


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Fowler caught another touchdown during a goal line period from rookie Daniel Jones.


Are you happy, now?

Sheesh. Did you see what I wrote about B.J. Goodson? It's just OTA's. What the hell did you expect to hear?
Schmeelk  
Jay on the Island : 5/23/2019 2:43 pm : link
is so much better than Dottino. I don't expect either to be overly critical of the team obviously since they are both employed by the Giants but Schmeelk is more honest with his reports. The Giants can do no wrong in Dottino's eyes.
what stood out to me...  
Milton : 5/23/2019 2:46 pm : link
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Undrafted free agent Jake Carlock out of LIU Post is an intriguing prospect. He is listed as a defensive back at 6-3 and 225 pounds, but he is working out with the edge rushers.
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Rookie Dexter Lawrence was a presence in the blitz period from his 3-4 end position.
Jake Carlock's name keeps popping up  
Jay on the Island : 5/23/2019 2:47 pm : link
He will be someone to keep an eye on during the preseason.
RE: Why no mention of Gallman in  
GothamGiants : 5/23/2019 2:55 pm : link
In comment 14453742 Sneakers O'toole said:
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the RB rotation in the Schmeelk article. Not active today? Did I miss something?


He’s already fumbled in OTAs, his ball security has been atrocious in the NFL, and if Perkins returns to form I wouldn’t be shocked if he didn’t make the team
RE: RE: Why no mention of Gallman in  
Jay on the Island : 5/23/2019 3:03 pm : link
In comment 14453889 GothamGiants said:
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the RB rotation in the Schmeelk article. Not active today? Did I miss something?



He’s already fumbled in OTAs, his ball security has been atrocious in the NFL, and if Perkins returns to form I wouldn’t be shocked if he didn’t make the team

Gallman has 5 fumbles in 2 years. That's hardly atrocious.
This is the first time  
Joey in VA : 5/23/2019 3:54 pm : link
In a long time, I'm excited to see these guys start the season. It's fascinating to see all the new faces, all the youth, the new vets and hungry players who have things to prove. To me that's the biggest culture change, it's not the mega rich big mouths, it's professional, hard working guys up and down the roster. We're getting deeper for sure, we're getting bigger and more physical and much faster on the back end of the D.
RE: This is the first time  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/23/2019 4:15 pm : link
In comment 14454037 Joey in VA said:
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In a long time, I'm excited to see these guys start the season. It's fascinating to see all the new faces, all the youth, the new vets and hungry players who have things to prove. To me that's the biggest culture change, it's not the mega rich big mouths, it's professional, hard working guys up and down the roster. We're getting deeper for sure, we're getting bigger and more physical and much faster on the back end of the D.


I'm with you. It seems like we're getting back to basics.
Here  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/23/2019 4:18 pm : link
are video highlights from today...
Giants.com Video - ( New Window )
RE: This is the first time  
Jay on the Island : 5/23/2019 4:25 pm : link
In comment 14454037 Joey in VA said:
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In a long time, I'm excited to see these guys start the season. It's fascinating to see all the new faces, all the youth, the new vets and hungry players who have things to prove. To me that's the biggest culture change, it's not the mega rich big mouths, it's professional, hard working guys up and down the roster. We're getting deeper for sure, we're getting bigger and more physical and much faster on the back end of the D.

Well said Joey. I haven't been this excited going into a season since probably 2012. Adding our potential next franchise QB is a big reason why but ridding the stench of the Reese/Ross era is also a big reason why.

There are so many good young players on the roster. The offensive line has several promising UDFA's that are competing for backup spots as well. I expect one of them to surprise.
haven't been this excited to see the young guys play since  
Platos : 5/23/2019 4:51 pm : link
we drafted Brandon Jacobs. i remember all the "this guy should play linebacker!" posts here lol.

but yea thats probably the last time i've been excited about a draft class. Webster was going to help a struggling secondary, Tuck was an unknown for me, and Jacobs just looked like an animal in the open field.

this year its Lawrence and Baker coming in early. guys like Connelly and Ximenes. hell even our UDFAs are interesting. Carlock working with the Edge rushers but labeled a DB? O'Hagan/Adams/Conrad? this could be a major step in the new face of the team.
RE: RE: RE: Why no mention of Gallman in  
Capt. Don : 5/23/2019 5:15 pm : link
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the RB rotation in the Schmeelk article. Not active today? Did I miss something?



He’s already fumbled in OTAs, his ball security has been atrocious in the NFL, and if Perkins returns to form I wouldn’t be shocked if he didn’t make the team


Gallman has 5 fumbles in 2 years. That's hardly atrocious.


You cant be serious. 5 fumbles on 210 touches is atrocious.
RE: RE: RE: Why no mention of Gallman in  
darren in pdx : 5/23/2019 5:22 pm : link
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the RB rotation in the Schmeelk article. Not active today? Did I miss something?



He’s already fumbled in OTAs, his ball security has been atrocious in the NFL, and if Perkins returns to form I wouldn’t be shocked if he didn’t make the team


Gallman has 5 fumbles in 2 years. That's hardly atrocious.


As a back-up RB that doesn’t get the majority of touches, that is pretty poor. I didn’t realise he had so many, but then I just remembered a fumble last season right after a reception that pretty killer.
RE: Here  
NYDCBlue : 5/23/2019 6:28 pm : link
In comment 14453694 Eric from BBI said:
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is Schmeelk's report... Sideline Notes: Giants OTA No. 3 - ( New Window )


Interesting that Gallman is not even running with the threes. Then again, it could mean he is safe, and the coaches need an extended look at Perkins and the rooks to make a roster decision??? But can u make any roster decisions based off these no contact practices?
RE: RE: RE: Why no mention of Gallman in  
GothamGiants : 5/23/2019 7:13 pm : link
In comment 14453909 Jay on the Island said:
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the RB rotation in the Schmeelk article. Not active today? Did I miss something?



He’s already fumbled in OTAs, his ball security has been atrocious in the NFL, and if Perkins returns to form I wouldn’t be shocked if he didn’t make the team


Gallman has 5 fumbles in 2 years. That's hardly atrocious.


It's called "sample size" in data analysis. "5 fumbles in 2 years" is actually 5 fumbles on 210 touches ... which is atrocious.

His per touch (receptions/carries) fumble rate is awful. I mentioned this in the Rod Smith signing thread ... Gallman's ball security has been absolutely terrible since entering the league [Rod Smith - 0 fumbles, 130 touches ... Gallman 5 on 210]
RE: RE: RE: RE: Why no mention of Gallman in  
GothamGiants : 5/23/2019 7:14 pm : link
In comment 14454122 darren in pdx said:
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the RB rotation in the Schmeelk article. Not active today? Did I miss something?



He’s already fumbled in OTAs, his ball security has been atrocious in the NFL, and if Perkins returns to form I wouldn’t be shocked if he didn’t make the team


Gallman has 5 fumbles in 2 years. That's hardly atrocious.



As a back-up RB that doesn’t get the majority of touches, that is pretty poor. I didn’t realise he had so many, but then I just remembered a fumble last season right after a reception that pretty killer.


it's a little known fact I was quite surprised to see myself, but it's true - his ball security has been a major issue and I do not view him as "Safe" for a roster spot
Benching a guy who fumbles is the standard, not so subtle  
Marty in Albany : 5/23/2019 7:35 pm : link
way of saying:

"Gentlemen, it is better to have died as a small boy than to fumble this football." --- John Heisman
RE: Benching a guy who fumbles is the standard, not so subtle  
SGMen : 5/23/2019 10:16 pm : link
In comment 14454204 Marty in Albany said:
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way of saying:

"Gentlemen, it is better to have died as a small boy than to fumble this football." --- John Heisman
this offense will be predicated on NOT turning the ball over. If Gallman can't handle the rock safely, he will not be a Giant. 5 in 2 part-time seasons is a LOT.
I do not trust posters who signed up within month  
George from PA : 5/23/2019 10:46 pm : link
GiantsGotham?
RE: Why no mention of Gallman in  
BlueLou'sBack : 5/24/2019 12:37 am : link
In comment 14453742 Sneakers O'toole said:
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the RB rotation in the Schmeelk article. Not active today? Did I miss something?


I think Gallman is limited because of an injury. I think he had a minor knee procedure? Before OTAs something he had fixed....
RE: This is the first time  
5BowlsSoon : 5/24/2019 8:19 am : link
In comment 14454037 Joey in VA said:
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In a long time, I'm excited to see these guys start the season. It's fascinating to see all the new faces, all the youth, the new vets and hungry players who have things to prove. To me that's the biggest culture change, it's not the mega rich big mouths, it's professional, hard working guys up and down the roster. We're getting deeper for sure, we're getting bigger and more physical and much faster on the back end of the D.


100% agree Joey. I’m sooooooo excited about this NEW team. We have really strengthened our many weaknesses, esp the OL and secondary. Last year I closed my eyes on third downs when we were either on offense or defense. Not this year.
RE: RE: Why no mention of Gallman in  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/24/2019 8:29 am : link
In comment 14453889 GothamGiants said:
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the RB rotation in the Schmeelk article. Not active today? Did I miss something?



He’s already fumbled in OTAs, his ball security has been atrocious in the NFL, and if Perkins returns to form I wouldn’t be shocked if he didn’t make the team


Are you being facetious?? He fumbled in OTA's!!! Oh no!! His ball security is atrocious?? Jesus - losing really has taken it's toll
RE: I do not trust posters who signed up within month  
GothamGiants : 5/24/2019 8:32 am : link
In comment 14454333 George from PA said:
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GiantsGotham?


That’s a shame, but I’m here to talk about football - I look up facts, I state opinions based off them, and would love an open discussion on those opinions. Nothing more, nothing less.

I Ike Eli Manning, I didn’t want a QB at 6 (but hes here, and hes going to need reps for the inevitable 2020 take over) and Wayne Gallman has ball security issues.

My favorite topic is Bettcher’s scheme, as I love Xs and Os and the roster DG is assembling accordingly (I wanted Allen at 6, but O.X. Is intriguing)

Have a great day!
Gallman ..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/24/2019 8:36 am : link
barring injury will be the primary backup RB this year. He's proved he is versatile. If there is a RB who likely won't make the roster - it is Perkins
RE: RE: RE: Why no mention of Gallman in  
GothamGiants : 5/24/2019 8:38 am : link
In comment 14454466 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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the RB rotation in the Schmeelk article. Not active today? Did I miss something?



He’s already fumbled in OTAs, his ball security has been atrocious in the NFL, and if Perkins returns to form I wouldn’t be shocked if he didn’t make the team



Are you being facetious?? He fumbled in OTA's!!! Oh no!! His ball security is atrocious?? Jesus - losing really has taken it's toll


5 fumbles on 210 touches is the definition of atrocious ... and fumbling already when they are jogging around in sweatpants is not a good sign. It’s not just based off 1 OTA report, but thanks for chiming in.
LOL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/24/2019 8:41 am : link
so you are really going to put stock in a fumble in OTA's?

And you are thanking me for chiming in??

At least the weekend is starting off with some fucking comedy.

Any other sweeping generalizations you want to make from guys going 3/4 speed in drills? How about that the OL sweatpants look too baggy and they need to add some weight ion their asses?
RE: LOL..  
GothamGiants : 5/24/2019 8:45 am : link
In comment 14454482 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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so you are really going to put stock in a fumble in OTA's?

And you are thanking me for chiming in??

At least the weekend is starting off with some fucking comedy.

Any other sweeping generalizations you want to make from guys going 3/4 speed in drills? How about that the OL sweatpants look too baggy and they need to add some weight ion their asses?


I literally just said it doesn’t have anything to do with the 1 OTA report, rather the 210 NFL touches we’ve seen him fumble away 5 times already ... but you can continue to unnecessarily rant and rave behind your computer instead of acknowledging the blatantly obvious and simple fact: Wayne Gallman, since entering the NFL, has had ball security issues. This is a fact.

When that fact is in place, and the first report of 2019 I see is “stripped by Kareem Martin” is certainly doesn’t instill a lot of confidence that it’s a nonissue. Always a pleasure.
Well, someone has already posited based on OTA's  
Bill L : 5/24/2019 8:50 am : link
that Daniel Jones starts game 1 of the regular season. Unless, of course, the competition is rigged.
RE: RE: LOL..  
Bill L : 5/24/2019 8:51 am : link
In comment 14454486 GothamGiants said:
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so you are really going to put stock in a fumble in OTA's?

And you are thanking me for chiming in??

At least the weekend is starting off with some fucking comedy.

Any other sweeping generalizations you want to make from guys going 3/4 speed in drills? How about that the OL sweatpants look too baggy and they need to add some weight ion their asses?



I literally just said it doesn’t have anything to do with the 1 OTA report, rather the 210 NFL touches we’ve seen him fumble away 5 times already ... but you can continue to unnecessarily rant and rave behind your computer instead of acknowledging the blatantly obvious and simple fact: Wayne Gallman, since entering the NFL, has had ball security issues. This is a fact.

When that fact is in place, and the first report of 2019 I see is “stripped by Kareem Martin” is certainly doesn’t instill a lot of confidence that it’s a nonissue. Always a pleasure.


Probably a more meaningful metric would be comparing Gallman's and Perkins carry numbers, ypc, and total yards from last season.
But your..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/24/2019 8:54 am : link
contention is that Gallman might not make the team because of fumbling. That's ridiculous.

Is Tarik Cohen on the Bears bubble because he has 10 fumbles in 310 touches??

It is taking a stat and making a conclusion that isn't supported.

You can close all these takes with "always a pleasure" or some assorted shit like that, but I'd rather debate posters who don't keep coming back as reincarnations, using different handles just to peddle the same type of narrative.

It's the JerseyJoe method of coming back as Giantz Comeback or the umpteenth version of the wannabe insider, Thomas. If you don't have the balls to stick with a handle, why the fuck should credence be given to a take with a flawed conclusion?
RE: Well, someone has already posited based on OTA's  
GothamGiants : 5/24/2019 8:56 am : link
In comment 14454491 Bill L said:
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that Daniel Jones starts game 1 of the regular season. Unless, of course, the competition is rigged.


And that wasn’t me ... also, a better “metric” would likely be to compare Perkins/Gallman/Smith’s NFL career numbers ...

Here you go:

Paul Perkins; 176 touches, 1 fumble
Wayne Gallman: 210 touches, 5 fumbles
Rod Smith: 131 touches, 0 fumbles





RE: But your..  
GothamGiants : 5/24/2019 9:04 am : link
In comment 14454496 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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contention is that Gallman might not make the team because of fumbling. That's ridiculous.

Is Tarik Cohen on the Bears bubble because he has 10 fumbles in 310 touches??

It is taking a stat and making a conclusion that isn't supported.

You can close all these takes with "always a pleasure" or some assorted shit like that, but I'd rather debate posters who don't keep coming back as reincarnations, using different handles just to peddle the same type of narrative.

It's the JerseyJoe method of coming back as Giantz Comeback or the umpteenth version of the wannabe insider, Thomas. If you don't have the balls to stick with a handle, why the fuck should credence be given to a take with a flawed conclusion?


Cohen brings a hell of a lot more to the table than Gallman ... and 5 of his fumbles are on punt returns. 5 fumbles on 310 offensive touches.
- When Gallman starts ripping off 20+ yard plays at the rate Cohen does, you learn to accept the good with the bad.

A healthy Perkins + Rod Smith is going to give Gallman a run for his roster spot ... and ball security, an issue, will be a factor ... literally all i’ve Suggested - and will continue to do so.

I’ve also never posted under a different handle, but you can continue to beat that drum all you want.
RE: RE: Well, someone has already posited based on OTA's  
Bill L : 5/24/2019 9:09 am : link
In comment 14454498 GothamGiants said:
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that Daniel Jones starts game 1 of the regular season. Unless, of course, the competition is rigged.



And that wasn’t me ... also, a better “metric” would likely be to compare Perkins/Gallman/Smith’s NFL career numbers ...

Here you go:

Paul Perkins; 176 touches, 1 fumble
Wayne Gallman: 210 touches, 5 fumbles
Rod Smith: 131 touches, 0 fumbles





Production and contribution to the team is more than just fumbles. Since you the stats on hand, please posts the ones I requested for last season so that we can get a fuller picture for discussion.
RE: RE: RE: Well, someone has already posited based on OTA's  
GothamGiants : 5/24/2019 9:11 am : link
In comment 14454516 Bill L said:
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that Daniel Jones starts game 1 of the regular season. Unless, of course, the competition is rigged.



And that wasn’t me ... also, a better “metric” would likely be to compare Perkins/Gallman/Smith’s NFL career numbers ...

Here you go:

Paul Perkins; 176 touches, 1 fumble
Wayne Gallman: 210 touches, 5 fumbles
Rod Smith: 131 touches, 0 fumbles







Production and contribution to the team is more than just fumbles. Since you the stats on hand, please posts the ones I requested for last season so that we can get a fuller picture for discussion.


You are going to center an argument around Gallman’s 3.5 YPC? No thanks.
It's relative to Perkins  
Bill L : 5/24/2019 9:13 am : link
who you have cited as a replacement.

Go ahead; do it.
Cohen..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/24/2019 9:15 am : link
only had 2 fumbles on returns.

The point is that Gallman's "atrocious" ball security doesn't even put him in the bottom quartile of RB's, yet it is a threat to him making the roster, but Cohen's ball security is OK because he makes dynamic plays?

And why even keep up the charade that you never posted here before?? Of course you have. Some guy doesn't just show up here, post on 20+ threads a day and know others posting history.

So keep banging that drum. But you need a new skin on that bongo.
Well we should just cut Gallman now then  
Jay on the Island : 5/24/2019 9:41 am : link
As we know it's impossible to improve ball security. It's why that Tiki Barber guy never worked out for us.
RE: I do not trust posters who signed up within month  
5BowlsSoon : 5/24/2019 9:57 am : link
In comment 14454333 George from PA said:
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GiantsGotham?


Trust them for what? He’s not asking to be your surgeon, your lawyer, or your banker, is he?

So even if he was here before under a different name....I would bet more than 50% of the guys here have more than one name or are working on their 2nd or 3rd name too.
Gallman is the clear #2 back on the roster  
ZogZerg : 5/24/2019 10:36 am : link
Stop with the Ball security nonsense. Don't you think they'll work on that with him. You may find this shocking - players can actual improve.
RE: I do not trust posters who signed up within month  
Brandon Walsh : 5/24/2019 10:40 am : link
In comment 14454333 George from PA said:
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GiantsGotham?


"JerseyJoe"
RE: Gallman is the clear #2 back on the roster  
GothamGiants : 5/24/2019 10:44 am : link
In comment 14454638 ZogZerg said:
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Stop with the Ball security nonsense. Don't you think they'll work on that with him. You may find this shocking - players can actual improve.


I hope so, I actually do like Gallman - just stating the facts, which are that he has 5 fumbles on a limited number of touches, and that in fact is a problem.

Go Giants!
RE: RE: I do not trust posters who signed up within month  
Klaatu : 5/24/2019 10:47 am : link
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GiantsGotham?



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Wait...I thought Giantz_comeback was JerseyJoe. Jeez, it's getting so you can't tell the dupes without a scorecard.
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Brandon Walsh : 5/24/2019 10:48 am : link
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GiantsGotham?



"JerseyJoe"



Wait...I thought Giantz_comeback was JerseyJoe. Jeez, it's getting so you can't tell the dupes without a scorecard.


I think Giantz comeback is "Thomas"

I'm 100% Gotham is JerseyJoe. He posts on every thread.
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Klaatu : 5/24/2019 11:29 am : link
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Wait...I thought Giantz_comeback was JerseyJoe. Jeez, it's getting so you can't tell the dupes without a scorecard.



I think Giantz comeback is "Thomas"

I'm 100% Gotham is JerseyJoe. He posts on every thread.


I'm so confused!
Overreactions in OTA's ........  
Bluesbreaker : 5/25/2019 12:11 am : link
Lets at least wait until preseason starts and
hopefully we get through camp without any major injuries .
Then we will see what we have or don't have ..
What we do have is plenty of talent and young ones at that
I like the way things are shaping up with the roster.
Interesting  
mittenedman : 5/25/2019 12:34 pm : link
that Tae Davis seems to be starting over Goodson now. Hoping Connelly can step up.
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